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>> No.20002406

>>20002402
This man is a machine. Wonder what the words per page were throughout those two years if he was able to pump out 5 fucking books.

>> No.20002407

>>20002402
So, are you constantly seething because he writes or something?

>> No.20002411

>>20002407
What gave you that impression?

>> No.20002604

>>20002406
Its pretty admirable. He must put out millions of words every year

>> No.20002609

>>20002604
how many of those do you think are worth reading?

>> No.20002619

>we

It's a fucking product. Literature is dead

>> No.20002785

>>20002406
Each book is minimum 400 pages apparently. So he did these 5 along with two Skyward books, Working on the previous Stormlight and working on the latest mistborn.

>> No.20002788

>>20002402
>5 books in 2 years.
How is it possible that anyone expects these even to be up to Sanderson usual standard?

>> No.20002793

>>20002402
>#1 on trending

>> No.20002794

>>20002788
He had way more time to write them because of no travel. They also come out next year and he will be revising them till then.

>> No.20002799

>>20002788
5 extra books.
he has a fairly big release that's scheduled for november of this year.

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>>20002402
Within two years, this man wrote more books than I wrote chapters. Sanderson is unrefutably a God.

>> No.20002827

>>20002794
I don’t care if he was able to stop time for 3 extra hours a day and use that to write, if what >>20002785 and >>20002799 says is accurate that’s actually like 7 or 8 books in 2 years.
How can anyone honestly expect them to be better than monkey with typewriter tier quality and I say this as someone who enjoyed Elantris and stormlight (mist born was shit tho).

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>>20002793
>he looks at the YouTube’s carefully curated list of the weeks blandest videos.k0p0v

>> No.20002851

>>20002793
>he looks at the YouTube’s carefully curated list of the weeks blandest videos

>> No.20002858

>>20002827
Sanderson said himself that he writes 4 hours a day with at least 2000-3000 words (pre-covid). Mathematically, assuming 270 4-hour work days, he would have written around 540000-810000 words per year. If the average novel size is 65000 words, then Sanderson would have written roughly 9-13 books per year. If monkey- tier writing can't make money, then any book that makes money is not monkey tier. Yet Sanderson is able to theoretically write 9-13 books per year that is not monkey tier. Holy shit.

>> No.20002863

>>20002827
I mean these are stories he has wanted to write for years and he started in 2019. I don't think its too off for him.

>> No.20002878

>>20002788
He has a team of editors behind him that clean up his shit. You’d be able to pump out that much content if you had the full weight of a publisher behind you, too. See: King.

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>>20002827
>>20002821
>>20002604
Sanderson writes genre fiction with basic, functional prose. He could churn out 5,000 words of this before lunch, and even if that were all his writing for the day, in just a year he'd have produced close to 2 million words. That's enough for ten long novels.

You guys are easily impressed.

>> No.20002886

>>20002878
He's not doing these books with Tor. Just FYI

>> No.20002898

>>20002886
Bums me out you can't buy these as they come out. $600 in one go for all the hardcovers + boxes is a bit much man.

>> No.20002907

>>20002884
Someone who has an actual impressive output: Nicholas Rescher.
https://sites.pitt.edu/~rescher/Comprehensive%20List%20of%20Publications.html
https://sites.pitt.edu/~rescher/Ideas%20and%20Innovations.html

>> No.20002910

>>20002884
How can Redditors enjoy this shit?

>> No.20002913

>>20002402
My only complaint about him is he did a video with Daniel Greene

>> No.20002915

>>20002886
Yes, but every author worth his salt has at least one editor, and big-name ones like Sanderson, even when not working directly with a publisher, will use several editors from previous projects or otherwise to help streamline the process. Hell, I’m a small fish myself, and even I have an average of two editors per project. These feats become a little less impressive when you realize just how much help these guys get along the way.

>> No.20002919

>>20002913
Why? He's the biggest(?) booktuber and Sanderson and other authors like to advertise.

>> No.20002939 [DELETED] 

>>20002913
Keep, I can't sit through any of his fucking videos.
I remember watching him at about 5k subs when I 1st read wheel of time and he seemed like a genuine guy but obviously people are gonna get an inflated since of worth with a currant status like his.
I can't stand youtubers thinking they're hot shit when they're barely even capable of giving competent artistic criticism, let alone making anything themselves.

>> No.20002951

>>20002913
Kek, I can't sit through any of his fucking videos.
I remember watching him at about 5k subs when I 1st read wheel of time and he seemed like a genuine guy but obviously people are gonna get an inflated since of worth with a status like his.
I can't stand youtubers thinking they're hot shit when they're barely even capable of giving competent artistic criticism, let alone making anything themselves

>> No.20002977

>>20002884
Didn't he say that the first book was written for his wife.
Would have thought he'd try to write somthing a bit more personal and dare I say poetic than just sitting out another generic action adventure story.

>> No.20002988

>>20002977
He wrote three for her and his wive likes his world. So why wouldn't she like these.

>> No.20003061

>3 cosmere standalones
just write an actual standalone outside of the cosmere holy shit

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>>20002884
>the gunshots popped like firecrackers

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He has already raised $11.4 million

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How high will it go

>> No.20003088

>>20002788
I think he probably recycles old shit as well. Remember he claims that Elantris was his 6th book or something he had written before getting published or something.

>> No.20003094

>>20003077
>>20003078
Look at how close our posts were and it went up fucking 40k. I'm watching it shoot up like it's crypto right now.

>> No.20003098

>>20003094
I've been looking at it to see if I want to spend $600 on the big bundle..

Also anyone not in the USA gets FUCKED with shipping. Like $420 in shipping for the $500 pack.

>> No.20003107

>>20002609
He writes so much and yet I'd say only his main series Stormlight Archives is any good.

Mistborn isn't very good and the rest aren't particularly notable. He has skill writing, but it's always generic fantasy. He could us that skill to try to write something with an interesting angle and instead its always just fantasy. Shame.

>> No.20003112

>>20003078
I hope it breaks 100M.

>> No.20003113

>>20003098
"mock up" book art

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>>20003113
forgot pic. I see a wizard with a gun.

>> No.20003126

>>20003107
>>20003112
Sandersoy is going to cash out and retire before he finishes his multiple series.

>> No.20003127

>>20003112
If it did this. Realistically how scared is the publishing industry?

>> No.20003157

>>20003127
If they don't start adapting their marketing they're all going to die. This is, for better or worse, the future of book marketing.

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>>20002919
>Why?
He's a retard who lets politics influence his opinions (see Terry Goodkind). How is he a retard you ask? See pic. Also, he worships Wheel of Time. Take that as you will.
>He's the biggest(?) booktuber
Wrong "Green". And I hate the term booktuber. On anther note, I don't need to know what to think about things from people who don't know how to think and look for a niche based on what will make them e-bucks. I hope Youtube one day is wiped away.
> Sanderson and other authors like to advertise.
Don't care

>> No.20003321

where do i start if i want to get into his works?
anons have been saying he has great worldbuilding

>> No.20003355

>>20002402
i don't know why but this guy reminds me of sam hyde

>> No.20003364

>>20003321
stormlight or mistborn
mistborn is much shorter, and that's probably the pacing is better.
stormlight has much better worldbuilding, as well as greater highs and lows.
I would suggest that whichever you pick to stick it out, even if it starts slowing down. the best part of his books is always when it all comes together at the end.

>> No.20003422

>>20003321
>>20003364
don't
his works are literally the marvel of fantasy. they're trash beyond trash and deserve to be burnt (i mean this unironically)

>> No.20003430

>sanderson makes $13 million in less than a day selling books that haven't even been released
incredibly based

>> No.20003470

>>20003422
The marvel of fantasy is quite the apt description. Never thought about it that way before but it is.

>> No.20003488

>>20003422
why respond to me too?

>> No.20003501

>>20002402
Don't know who this is but he definitely forgot to factor eating into his pie chart.

>> No.20003551

>>20003321
strongly rec orginal Mistborn trilogy, 1st book works well as a standalone and you can continue or switch to an another option if don't like it. The each three books stories were pretty well rounded and add to each other really well

>> No.20003671

>>20002402
If he were NOT SO mormon, he Would finish GRRM SHIT IN A MONTH! While GRRM is sexing gluttony.

>> No.20003677

>$13.6M

>> No.20003698

>>20002402
As much as I feel that the fantasy he spouses is going to cause even more damage to an already damaged genre starved of true wonder and myth, I cant help but like Sanderson as a person: He may be the capeshit of fantasy novels, but at least he comes as sincere and passionate about what he does. Sanderson is the kind of guy that writes about people smacking eachother with giant swords because he likes it a lot so, yeah, respect.

Is better than grimderp speudo-realism, at least.

>> No.20003705

>>20003107
Skyward is supposedly his better series.

But the Cosmere, if it continues on its current path, will be an achievement upon completion. It may not be for everybody, but the books are all passable quality or “good enough”.

My favorite is Warbreaker followed by The Way of Kings.

>> No.20003708

>>20003671
Coomer opinion. Sex adds almost nothing in most circumstances. It is crutch for the unimaginative and perverse.

>> No.20003710

>>20003698
How does his series starve the genre of wonder and myth? I feel like his rules and systems are highly original and scope of his project is ambitious. His settings are also creative and unique. Roshar primarily along with Threnody.

>> No.20003736

>>20003710
Magic is symbolic by nature, and his approach to it, creating a different set of fixes rules that make nerds orgasm due all the possible (and almost purely mechanical) combinations is closer to bad science fiction than the myths and tales that are the wellspring of the genre. There is little craft in his novels: The characters are at best relatable and two-dimentional, the prose is serviceable, and his plots cant usually rise above the level of YA.

More than his own faults, however, the kind of reader (and even writer) he is atracting to the genre is the person that pays no atention to beauty, wonder or symbolism, and rather gushes over this or that magical system and how the mechanicist approach to the supernatural is the one and only true way to treat magic. Is fantasy writen by materialists, which is to say, soulless to the core, even if Sanderson is a mormon.

>> No.20003743

>>20002402
A fucking beast. Is it true he plays video games at like 1am?

>> No.20003791

>>20003671
Brandon is too idealistic for the grimderp reality that is Westeros, a place in which the cynicism of modernity meet an exaggerated version of the medieval struggles.

>> No.20003826

>>20003736
I thought the psuedo-crucifiction scene in WoK was pretty good, too bad the rest of book is just padding.

>> No.20003836

>>20003826
WoK is probably his best work, yeah.

>> No.20003903

>>20003736
What the fuck are you talking about. Many epic fantasy writers have magic systems with fucking rules.

Wheel of Time has rules, Kingkiller, Lightbringer, Jade City etc.

Then you have shit like Malazan and LoTR. Its all about how the story makes use of it. Sanderson still makes his magic have wonder to it as the reader learns more about it.

What "rules" do is take away the "why didn't they just use x to solve y" problem that many of the other books with mystical magic tend to have.

You act like other writers in the genre don't still exist and that Sanderson isn't actually helping people get into othe epic fantasy books.

>> No.20003922

>>20003903
>What the fuck are you talking about. Many epic fantasy writers have magic systems with fucking rules.

And? Did I spoke about any of the writers you mentioned in a favorable way? And in wich way I implied that other writers in the genre dont exist?

>What "rules" do is take away the "why didn't they just use x to solve y" problem that many of the other books with mystical magic tend to have.

What other books?

>> No.20003925

>>20003736
>even if Sanderson is a mormon.

Mormonism is surprisingly materialist and “mechanical”
What with Heaven being a physical planet and God having once been a human on another planet

>> No.20003929

Could it be "Sanderson" is a group of people?

>> No.20003935

>>20003922
>What other books?
Literally any book with magic that can do "anything" or has done so on screen. The author always either has to write the character out of the location or ignore it.

>> No.20003938

>>20003935
Can you give me specific examples, please? I suspect Harry Pother is among those, I am correct?

>> No.20003944

>>20002402
god this is so incredibly fucking based
I love sanderson

>> No.20003948

>>20003938
I wasn't going to mention those but they have been criticized at points for it.

The Hobbit is a pretty big one, Sword of Truth is another.

>> No.20003951

>>20002884
you do it then faggot

>> No.20003952

>>20003948
>The Hobbit

How?

>> No.20003954

>>20003952
Gandalf just about every appearance.

>> No.20003959

>>20003954
That's not an answer. Please, explain to me how Gandalf seems to hold an all-powerful form of magic that refuses solve the plot automatically.

>> No.20003969

>>20003959
No, Gandalf shows up and saves them with magic that isn't fully explained which could be used to solve the problems but alas he isn't there all the time

>> No.20003975

>>20003969
But what you describe (if true, because I read the Hobbit a long time ago) is not a problem of magic at all, much less so of lack of rules. Is a problem of plot convenience, keeping a capable character out so the book doenst end too soon.

Making Gandalf explain in luxury of details how his God-given angel magic works would not prevent similar situations at all. Furthermore, that you point at this is rather ironic when we see a similar and even worse plot convenience at the end of Mistborn.

>> No.20003977

>>20003975
He doesn't need to explain his magic. The point is it could be used to solve many of the books problems.

>> No.20003989

>>20003977
Once again, and? What's the problem with his magic? Seems like a mistake in the plot and how he is used, not with having unexplained, un-ruled magic around like you were implying previously. What you are describing can easily happen in sanderson-like settings, and even more in stories without any form of supernatural hability.

>> No.20004014

>>20003989
Like what? I don't get what you're going for now. I gave you examples. There are various scenes in the series I mentioned where a reader can question why they didn't just use magic to solve a problem. Because to the reader its just been shown as such.

>> No.20004026

>>20004014
What I am going for, is that none of the examples (well, you didn't gave any specific example as a matter of fact) would be truly prevented by the presence of magic with rules in the plot. The "problem" magic systems solve is bound to the plot, the themes and the characters, not by the mere existence of untamed supernatural power.

>> No.20004037

>>20004026
Everything is bound to the plot. You're calling out Sanderson like magic systems for no real reason.

>> No.20004044

>>20004037
Then what's the point of:

>What "rules" do is take away the "why didn't they just use x to solve y" problem that many of the other books with mystical magic tend to have.

Because, once again, I dont see how any of the problems you mentioned are prevented by that.

>> No.20004050

>>20003951
I don't write genre fiction. I have standards.

>> No.20004065

>>20002402
Has he churned out anything good? I couldn't get through the first chapter of that fantasy book everyone recommends that he wrote

>> No.20004102

>>20004050
pseud

>> No.20004122

>>20004102
Brainlet.

>> No.20004141

How do i attain this work ethic?

>> No.20004176

>>20004141
Treat writing as a job and not something esoteric like the pseuds.

>> No.20004206

A lot of the money is going to printing the book, buying the swag, paying for editors, producing and editing the audiobook, how much will he pocket? $1-2mil?

>> No.20004262

I rib on him being the only professional writer with functioning down syndrome but you have to admit he is very wholesome

>> No.20004330

>>20004176
What kind of person goes into writing for the money and to treat it like a job? lol

>> No.20004379

>>20004102
go kid and your Harry Potter books

>> No.20004401

>>20002402
too bad his books aren't good

>> No.20004431

>>20004330
People who want to write?

>> No.20004493

>>20003929
Well people have pointed out that he has an editorial staff that gives him a lot of help but I guess it’s.not impossible that he has somesort of co writer to help him churn stuff out.

>> No.20004615

>>20002402
this is the kind of shit that kept Gaddis up at night lol

>> No.20004623

>>20004615
Can you explain?

>> No.20004625

>>20004206
certainly more than he would get if he sold those books to a (((publisher)))

>> No.20004660

>>20004623
he hated this kind of consumerism with art, and how people will put more value on an author than their works. he thought it turned an author into a performer. hell, if you look at the comments its just a bunch of people jerking off how fast sanderson can write. just watching the vid reminded me of it.

>> No.20004673 [DELETED] 

>>20004660
I have similar opinions although I’m defiantly guilty of being more interested in the artist than their art as I love seeing how different people work and what personal traits and experiences led them to create what they did.
Would you be able to point me to a specific interview or essay where Gaddis says this said like to see someone like him articulate these sentiments much better than I could.

>> No.20004680

>>20004660
I have similar opinions although I’m defiantly guilty of being more interested in the artist than their art as I love seeing how different people work and what personal traits and experiences led them to create what they did.
Would you be able to point me to a specific interview or essay where Gaddis says this I’d like to see someone like him articulate these sentiments much better than I could.

>> No.20004692

>>20004673
i dont really have any links off the top of my head but you can probably look up any interview that he did, he's definitely talked about it several times. also read his books too, since he explores those themes there as well. here is a good quote from The Recognitions about it:

"This passion for wanting to meet the latest poet, shake hands with the latest novelist, get hold of the latest painter, devour . . . what is it? What is it they want from a man that they didn't get from his work? What do they expect? What is there left of him when he's done his work? What's any artist, but the dregs of his work? The human shambles that follows it around. What's left of the man when the work's done but a shambles of apology."

>> No.20004711

I'm not going to get upset at an author making money whether I think they deserve it or not.

>> No.20004931

>>20003791
>a place in which the cynicism of modernity meet an exaggerated version of the medieval struggles
also known as Mudcore

>> No.20005316

>>20003488
?

>> No.20005753

How come bugmen always have so much money to spend on other bugpeople?

>> No.20005761

>>20004711
Wait until the entire genre fiction becomes a kikestarter swindle for the next decade or so.

>> No.20005833

>>20005753
because bugs work in the hive instead of sitting around their mom's nest all day

>> No.20005871

>>20002884
>>20002907
>>20002910
>>20002977
>>20003070
I’d like to see all of you write the same action scene, but better.

>> No.20005916

>>20005761
Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
Now that this is such a success authors can justify churning out all of their crappy ideas that they never got to incorporate into their main series into half-baked loot box novels.
I'm happy for Sanderson but id hates to see this become a common thing.

>> No.20005933

>>20005833
It bugs me so much that people like that have the brains to go to uni and get great programming or analyst jobs and I'm already struggling at the start of calc 2.

>> No.20005966

>>20003743
he's just like me

>> No.20005995

>>20004660
“What do they want from the man they didn’t get from his work.”
That was the quote wasn’t it? Or something along those lines. I do wonder if he’d have changed his tune of The Recognitions was more financially successful. A lot of his criticism was born out of bitterness with his own failures, especially later in life.

>> No.20006011

>>20002884
>basic, functional prose
unironically the best kind

>> No.20006015

>>20004680
I paraphrased part of what the other anon was talking about in my reply. It’s a quote from Wyatt Gwyon in The Recognitions. Gaddis himself says something similar in his Awards Speech for A Frolic of His Own, if remember correctly, though it may have been his JR speech from 20 years earlier. They are both available in The Rush For Second Place along side some other interesting essays of his.

>> No.20006028

>>20003355
Literally looks nothing like him

>> No.20006032

>>20005933
everyone struggles with calc 2, even the analysts and programmers.

>> No.20006045

>>20002402
I saw a post in /wg/ some weeks ago that said the masses don't deserve real literature anymore because they're too stupid to understand it. They can choke on their own shit, or something. Im an optimist, so I disagreed. But seeing a fucking Kickstarter used as a book marketing base makes me wonder whether he was right. >>20003157 has it right I think. We'll see a lot more of this in the future.

>> No.20006063

>>20003159
Imagine not loving Terry Goodchad

>> No.20006065

>>20006032
I had no troubles with it.
t. Engi

>> No.20006120

>>20006065
What sort of engineer anon? I looked into doing an engineering degree but had literally no practical experience with machines or electronics, haven't even tinkered with my pc.

>> No.20006135

>>20006120
Photonic science/Optical engineering. It's my day job. My heart is in writing.

>> No.20006147

>>20006011
have you read any of his books, it's not just basic, it a lot of it feels like a 1st draft (what you'd jot down so that you can come back and work on it later) and his dialog is terrible.
Its Sanderson's ideas, scope, and speed that make his books enjoyable.

>> No.20006190

>>20005761
>>20005916
According to /lit/ that can never happen anyways because Sanderson is a superhuman writing machine.
If other people wanted to do it they would. They didn't need to wait for Big Daddy Brandon to set the stage.

>> No.20006198

>>20006135
Nice, how hard did you find your degree, and were you a good student before that.
I went into stem because I didn't want to end up working the same shitty minimum wage jobs my parents do and chose maths because it was the only sciency subject that I really enjoyed I was a good student through school but I'm not sure now if I've bitten off more than I can chew desu.

>> No.20006220

>>20006198
>Nice, how hard did you find your degree, and were you a good student before that.
Degree wasn't hard when I bothered to study. Doing lots of homework helped me pass classes and applying homework math logic to concepts helped solidify them. You forget a lot of shit once you graduate, but college is more for making your brain ready for work anyways. You learn the real world stuff on the job.
>I went into stem because I didn't want to end up working the same shitty minimum wage jobs my parents do and chose maths because it was the only sciency subject that I really enjoyed I was a good student through school but I'm not sure now if I've bitten off more than I can chew desu.
See above. College is to get your brain thinking the way it should about approaches and concepts. You'll learn specifics on the job itself.

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Sanderson? More like Sandersoi.

>> No.20006706

>>20006439
Now that's a little un-called-for don't you think anon...

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>>20003159
>22 minute video

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>>20006815
Do men like this really exist and how long can they stay perfect for?

>> No.20006919

>>20003126
I doubt it. Nobody writes as much as he does if they hate it.

>> No.20006955

>>20002882
I played that game for like 5 minutes and the second guy you meet makes out with you right after meeting you. Needless to say, I dropped the game there.

>> No.20006980

>>20003321
don't unless you love anime, his writing is basically anime put to the page. it doesn't really matter where you start, just keep in mind that stormlight is the huge series that all the others tie themselves into. warbreaker is a pretty decent start as far as they go. Mistborn is pretty good too, although the second book is YA trash.

>> No.20007013

>>20005761
Yeah but it works for sanderson because people actually want to read his books. If people want to go down the kickstarter path all power to them but they're still going to need to get people interested beforehand otherwise they'll just fail.

>> No.20007021

>>20006980
>his writing is basically anime put to the page.
So its 4chan approved? Where do I start?

>> No.20007038

>>20007013
Kikestarter contributors are just getting off the consoomer hype, 90 percent of the pledges won't read his books

>> No.20007048

>>20007038
>90 percent of the pledges won't read his books
I would believe this if the vast majority of the pledges were for the lower tiers but as it is nearly 25% of the backers bought the two most expensive tiers. No kickstarter bandwagon backers buy the expensive shit. It's actually his fans putting all this money in.

>> No.20007244

>>20002402
I think you guys vastly overestimate the difficulty of writing genre fiction

>> No.20007511

>>20007021
Mistborn is the entry-level series, but Warbreaker is a standalone book and probably one of his top three works.

>> No.20007767

>>20006028
his voice, moron

>> No.20007780

>>20007767
Sanderson sounds more like Ben Shapiro. Nasally. Sam Hyde's voice is deep and I can't think of anyone who sounds like him.

>> No.20007921

>>20002402
Actually insane

>> No.20007933

why are fantasoids are dedicated to reading and endless amount of boring swill

>> No.20007936

>>20007933
What have you written?

>> No.20007937

>>20007936
He is written nothing and never will. He’s like a crab, trying to pull others down instead of improving himself.

>> No.20008008

>>20007933
>>20007937
Learn to write before you criticise each other.
.

>> No.20008209

>>20002402
I respect for the simple fact that he writes.

>> No.20008954

>>20007780
Sam’s voice isn’t deep. It started sounding weirdly deeper now because he takes testosterone, but his real voice is almost angelic. Very well articulated man, love him

>> No.20009026

>>20005753
I've always wondered this myself

>> No.20009041

>>20008954
The funny thing too is Sam has made fun of Kickstarter and loot boxes quite a bit, but he would sooner congratulate Sanderson himself for this.

>> No.20009559

>>20007937
>>20007936
>you must be an accomplished author in order to talk shit about big daddy sanderson
ok retards

>> No.20009760

>>20004206
If we assume that everything past the ebooks is being sold at cost (which is a terrible assumption) and after kickstarter/backerkit/etc fees they make $30 off the ebooks (which could be low or high), he'd make 2.3M right now.

With conservative but possible growth rates for the rest of campaign and decent profit margins on the physical books and swag, I'd bet Dragonsteel pulls in 5-7M in profit and Sanderson gets 3-4M of that

>> No.20010165

>>20002402
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBUVXcIE0E0 Was a preview of the first book. Definitely a bit more whimsical in the narration, which can be fun when done right. Can definitely feel the Pratchett influence he's mentioned in the past.

>> No.20010287

>>20002977
That's not an excerpt from the new books. That screenshot is from an unrelated book he did 8 years ago.

>> No.20010302

>>20003117
Gun wizard is rarely done well but Wax is a good one at least so I think he can do another.

>> No.20010311

>>20003826
Can you remind me what scene that was? I liked WoK

>> No.20010329

>>20010311
It's where Kaladin is strung up in a highstorm as punishment by Sadeas. I think it's because of his bridge crew doing the 'bridge as a shield' thing, leading to others trying to copy it and thus the attack being a colossal failure because the rest of the crews are slaughtered? I forget which specific thing earns the punishment.

>> No.20010337

>>20010329
Thanks. Yeah I liked the Bridge 4 stuff, it felt oddly sensory for Sandersoy. The first chapter (with Kaladin in it but not his POV) was good with that.

>> No.20010354

>>20010337
It's a little dissonant given the the of the later books with regards to Kaladin. Like, Way of Kings feels like the alluded-to-backstory of any other tortured depressed hero, except we actually see the whole thing and it turns out he had MORE backstory even before.

>> No.20010377

>>20010354
To be honest I haven't read past Words of Radiance because I figured I could just wait until he finishes at least the first half of the series. What are books 3 and 4 like for Kaladin? He gets more backstory? Or you just mean like the present day storyline in WoK for him feels like the actual backstory for a depressed hero (and then the flashbacks in WoK are like backstoryception)?

>> No.20010397

>>20010377
Yeah, the latter. Bridge Four stuff is a LOT darker than pretty much any of the rest of the series. You sort of start to realise who'll actually live or die just based on names and screentime (I'm pretty sure every named Bridge Four member that dies had almost no dialogue and no descriptions they were just named as shout-outs to Brandon's friends) so the grimness of the situation isn't as bad, but it stands at stark contrast with Shallan who's got more 'tension about a theft' and Dalinar who's just struggling with prophetic bullshit. As for Kaladin in the latter two books... He's sort of a backseat in book 3, that's very much Dalinar's book, and in book 4... He does Die Hard when Urithiru gets taken over by enemies and he's the only Knight Radiant around who's strong enough to even stay on his feet. He's also basically fucked with PTSD and depression and can barely keep his hands steady in a fight but on the other hand he invents therapy.

>> No.20010412

>>20010397
>Bridge Four stuff is a LOT darker than pretty much any of the rest of the series.
In book 1 or 3-4?

>> No.20010423

>>20010412
Book 1. It's a lot more 'grim' feeling, nothing feels super certain, there's no clear way out, life is just more and more miserable. I think that's the general idea with Kaladin is he's had a thoroughly miserable life and yet persists in trying to be the good one regardless but it's the severity of it compared to how relatively light-hearted stuff with Kaladin becomes after.

>> No.20010632

I think the worldbuilding in Stormlight Archives is his best, but I like characters in Mistborn and Warbreaker better.

>> No.20010671

>>20010632
I think Adolin, Kaladin and sometimes Shallan and Jasnah are pretty solid, but Dalinar just feels a little empty sometimes. I like his story, but I don't particularly care for him as a character. And, yeah, Vin, Kelsier, Wax, Wayne and Vasher all feel so much stronger as characters, to the extent that Vasher steals the few Stormlight scenes he's in despite being a retired grumpy old man who just calls Hoid an asshole.

>> No.20010683

>>20010671
haven't read book 4 yet, do they explain more about why is Vasher doing? it is strange because he in theory should be strong enough to btfo any radiant.

>> No.20010690

>>20010683
I think Brandon's said in some Q&A's that he's basically just retired to Roshar because Roshar is a place where a Returned can live basically forever due to the highstorms, he just has to suck up a sphere or two every so often. The (sometime-happening) Warbreaker sequel will apparently explain a bit about why he's no longer got the sword and some other stuff. He's not really 'up to' anything, it does just seem to be he's hung everything up and decided to just rest on Roshar.

>> No.20010773

Is this the guy who's claim to fame was having "complex magic systems" or some shit?

>> No.20010779

>>20010773
Yes, and he also claims fame by writing.

>> No.20010784

>>20010773
It's not really complex as much as 'strict'. Every character's magic does 'things' and can't really do anything outside of that thing, but they can have creative uses for that thing. For example, Kaladin in Stormlight can alter gravity of things he touches or himself in directional ways, giving himself effective flight, amped up projectiles and attacks. He can also cause things he touches to become adhesive. Both of these wear off, and he uses some fancy applications of them, but he never really gets any new actual powers so to speak.

>> No.20010789

>>20010784
Well, as an addendum, Stormlight's system does give 'new powers', but how they're given is a known factor, even if the powers themselves aren't, and they're never completely new, they're either universal things every person with that magic system can do eventually (which is summoning their bonded spirit thing as a weapon, and lesser spirits as armor) or simply the result of merging the two 'things' they have access to.

>> No.20011351

>>20010789
>system
OHHHHHHHHHHHHH GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODD

>> No.20011370

>>20011351
>The words 'magic system' makes him cry

>> No.20011419

>>20011370
It makes me put a hole through my wall into my neighbours bedroom

>> No.20011466

>>20002402
i tried reading his books, but it felt too much like reading a video game.
>and then he up up down down left right select start, which was a combo move, causing extra points to be awarded to him.

>> No.20011485

>>20011466
Apart from the Szeth prologue of Way of Kings I don't think this is ever really the case. That prologue is structured ENTIRELY like 'that video game level where you have all the abilities at the start before shifting focus to somebody without them'. Sometimes the narrative exposition of how the magic works is a little clunky, but he tends to deliver 'what you need to know for the situation' fairly expediently.
>In Mistborn, Kelsier burns iron, what does that mean, it means he can pull metal towards him (or himself towards metal, depending which is heavier)
>Kelsier later instructs Vin on exactly what each of the known metals actually do because she doesn't know and she needs to

>> No.20011536

>>20010683
book 4 he disappears when shit hits the fan, and no one knows what exactly he's been up to during that time.
as for his general reason why he's on roshar; pretty much what the other anon said, but also he's hiding from vivenna. possible fallout from her trying to make another weapon like nightblood.

>> No.20011785

/lit/ is jelly

>> No.20011790

>>20011785
Should have been obvious the second he treated writing as a job and nothing stupid like the pseuds usually do.

>> No.20011802

>>20011790
He clearly has a passion for writing but he's also well-aware that he got lucky to be able to write some risky shit (Stormlight is a hard sell to a publisher, epic fantasy really doesn't go that well without an established readerbase) and basically says "Don't start that big". 'course I've seen a fair few self-published authors who all seem to start with trilogies, but some of those work out.

>> No.20011971

>>20003070
I miss pic related so much

>> No.20012333

80% of those donations are from other mormons kek

>> No.20013423

He writes a shit ton, but the stuff he writes it not high quality. I read the first chapter of his new book he's teasing and it was... Bland, boring, and generic to say the least.
I've never read a Sanderson book though, are any actually worth it?

>> No.20013499

>>20013423
He's not a prose guy. He's a plot/worldbuilding guy.

>> No.20013691

>>20013499
Surely, prose services plot and “worldbuilding” needs good prose to pull it off. It’s not an either/or dichotomy. He could try to write better for the sake of drawing out those other elements. A good writer draws you in. Otherwise, it may as well be a different medium.

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Brandon Sanderson isn't a Businessman

He's a business, man.

>> No.20014862

Sanderson wrote five books in two years. Meanwhile R Scott Bakker has written zero books in the past five years, has had no online presence for the past two years, and must be presumed dead. Bakkerbros I don't fel so goo..

>> No.20014883

>>20002884
>genre fiction
I lose brain cells whenever I see this meme

>> No.20014889

>>20013499
"not a prose guy"
he's a fucking writer. prose is his literal job

>> No.20014897

>>20014832
>4 books for $160

wtf

>> No.20014921

>>20002402

Cringe vid, but based idea. Book clubs are rad

>> No.20014925

>>20002821
He’s wrote more books than GRRM has wrote paragraphs.

>> No.20014937

>>20014925
I genuinely question how he writes so much, because it's not like it's utterly formulaic stuff that you can just Mad Libs into text, he's doing different stories. Is it just he really likes writing?

>> No.20014949

>>20003088
True, but he's already published his first ever story (in a sense) with White Sand.

>> No.20014951

>>20014937
he works 16 hours a day and spends 2 hours with family
the man is just built differently. a true work horse.
I can't relate at all

>> No.20014972

>>20002788
Sanderson's usual standards are very low (by his own admission). He has simplified his prose to the level of bare function, so all that's left is to find a new magic system and a plot that works with it.

>> No.20015005

>>20014889
No. By his own admission, he used to carw more about prose and style. Turns out his readers wanted more popcorn fiction with simple, direct prose. So he ditched the prose and started leaning heavily on magic systems and anime fights. Prose is more work and equal sales, so it had to be trimmed down. Bow to the dollar, monkey.

>> No.20015018

>>20015005
writing is too much work and too little reward if you can no longer express yourself in it
I'd rather just work retail or something at that point

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20015177

I could finish a quality book or two a year pretty easily if I didn't have to stand in front of liquor stores holding signs to sell books

>banned on facebook
>banned on twitter
>banned on reddit
>banned on goodreads
>banned from the pub (vaxx pass)
>banned from most social public spaces (vaxx pass)

I don't think I have access to any social media where I could raise $17 in a day, and this guy can raise $17 million in a few days?

>its about the quality of your writing, loser!
>lol, lmao

What are his plots like? is it SJW or edgy in the slightest? You know, I'm not even going to hate on the guy, congrats to Sanderson for somehow having an army of people willing to support his work. I have like 2-3 people who support me and I have a roof over my head and 3 meals a day, for now, so I'm thankful I can still write.

>> No.20015195

>>20012333
Oh shit, he's mormon!

I met a couple from Utah years ago and they moved to Vancouver with donations from their church, they started some mormon daycare here I think? I can't remember but I'm like 90% positive they are involved in polygamy and their clients all have like 10-20 kids. Was a long time ago but I remember them talking about Bountiful B.C. as well, which is a bit of a controversy in Canada...

>> No.20015198

>>20015177
Plots tend to vary in scope, but they're all sci-fi or fantasy stuff. Mistborn is basically two concepts meshed into one of "prophesied hero fails to defeat the dark lord" and "group of ragtag miscreants plan to rob the dark lord 1000 years later" which veers into some high-scope consequences. Meanwhile Elantris is "there was this perfect magic utopian city and then the magic broke and all the immortals in it became undying zombies who feel any injury forever", and it's sort of about the attempts to fix that. Scope is basically just 'a small nation'.

>> No.20015200

>>20015177
>is it SJW or edgy in the slightest
Not edgy, maybe mild SJW depending on your viewpoints.

He's a liberal mormon, but he's still Mormon

>> No.20015238

This fucking guy is /lit/s new John Green

>> No.20015249

Has this guy ever disappointed his fans?

>> No.20015261

>>20015238
who?

>> No.20015269

>>20015249
He disappointed Wheel of Time fans and launched his career out of it so I'm willing to bet his own fans are happy with whatever he gives them.

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>>20015261

>> No.20015277

>>20015273
wow he's like an effeminate DFW

>> No.20015351

>>20015273
how does a man write shit like that
honestly, it's amazing in a way
lowkey considering HRT

>> No.20015393

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0URH2A3Y9oQ

>> No.20015406

>>20015273
This is the guy who likes eating cheerios with dicks in it right?

>> No.20015587

>>20015200
Yes, and from my understanding, Mormons support each other thoroughly. From my memory, the couple that moved to Vancouver from Utah had an entire house bought for them by the church so they could run a daycare for locals.

>> No.20015828

>>20015587
>financially supported by cult
>trad wife provided to you

Wow I should join a cult, what amazing perks.

>> No.20015833

he writes dogshit

>> No.20015835

>>20015833
So he writes better than you?

>> No.20015842

>>20015828
Don't forget the big asian and pajeet families that come to Canada and buy up as much real estate as possible while whites like myself never bought property and now every house is 1+ million... and Trudeau announces unlimited Ukraine immigration and 500k+ immigrants next year...

I mean, I don't mind, but I'm also banned from all social media and pretty much society so it is incredibly hard to make money in writing. Canada's culture has changed incredibly in just 10-15 years, now the greed is ramped up to a level where housing has nothing to do with living somewhere and everything to do with the 100k+ year over year gainz.

When did life become about owning as much property as possible? It is so fucked here.

>> No.20015847

>>20015835
actually, no. I'm pretty damn good.

>> No.20015855

I listened to his preview of the first book. Pretty lackluster, honestly. His editors better get their asses in gear to get a respectable final draft out.

>> No.20015859

>>20015828
Mormonism is the greatest religion. Joseph Smith just made up his own Bible and said polyamory was okay and racism is good. He called his archangel Moron. Fucking legend.

>> No.20015863

>>20015842
Get an actual job to support your imaginary children, Jason.

>> No.20015866

>>20015859
I MEAN POLYGAMY NOT POLYAMORY

>> No.20015871

>>20015842
>unlimited Ukraine immigration and 500k+ immigrants
Based, time to learn Russian

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>>20015863
I lucked out, my baby's momma has a rich family and my kid is totally taken care of.

All I want to do is write and use my creativity. Hard to do when your country has become a completely conformist hell-hole and everyone is focused on "investment properties" and everything to do with cramming as many fucking immigrants here on top of the bones of your nation.

The crime in Vancouver is getting worse and worse, The Shitkickers is coming true at a fast pace!

>> No.20015936

>>20015871
All we do as a nation is absorb people and turn them into good goy slaves with mortgages / rentals.

Those who don't fit in... basically just end up dead from overdoses as the drug supply is poisoned on purpose to remove what the establishment sees as human waste. This year, they predict over 2000+ young, mostly male, mostly white and indigenous, will die from overdoses.

(we'll just replace them with more submissive 3rd worlders who are used to lower standards of living)

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>>20015842
Wow, did anon accidentally discover socialism and the concept that land is a human right and not a capitalist's investment vehicle?

>> No.20016001

>>20014883
That's okay, if you're reading Sanderson you didn't have many to start with.

>> No.20016005

>>20015962
Hmmm, no, perhaps I just saw what the unfettered greed did to Vancouver and "my people" who are now dying in droves from poisoned drugs. The drug supply is deliberately poisoned to remove non-conformists and people living in despair.

I wish I could connect with "my people" through my writing, City of Singles was my 1st attempt to reach people suffering in this age of crushing loneliness and sex-chasing, The Shitkickers my 2nd attempt to show people what is coming in the future: more violence, less effective cops.

Guy literally just today given 4 year sentence for stabbing some guy to death.

https://www.castanet.net/news/Kelowna/361778/4-25-year-jail-sentence-for-fatal-Canada-Day-stabbing-in-Kelowna