rig veda

[Anonymous No.19995438]

So I want to read Rig Veda,

Searching for the best translation, literally every mother fucker says there is no translation and the only way to read it is in sanskrit. Now im not gonna go learn a whole fucking language just to read one book, so what's a good way to truly read this thing?

[Anonymous No.19995471]

The unabridged Jamison/Brereton translation. Pajeets don't want you reading it for obvious reasons.

[Anonymous No.19995481]

>>19995471
whats the obvious reason, because theyre butthurt about the aryan shit? that's my only guess

[Anonymous No.19995488]

>>19995481
Of course. Same reason Indra is cast as a buffoon in subsequent Pajeeto lit. Because of the slaughtering of "black skins" he does in the RV.

[Anonymous No.19995490]

>>19995471
jamison is a woman though

[Anonymous No.19995496]

>>19995488
wtf i never knew about this that's based

[Anonymous No.19995501]

>>19995490
and i read their intro that Raph TH griffith didnt take into acount the innumerable nuances but sounds like bs, isnt it better to look at the ralph one without some female's interpretation of culture 10,000 years ago

[Anonymous No.19995534]

>>19995496
e.g.
>Chastising those who follow no commandment, he made the black skin subject to Manu.
>Those who strode forth like cattle—frenzied, turbulent, unruly, smashing away the black skin
>they blow away by magic power the black skin hated by Indra, from earth and from heaven

[Anonymous No.19995537]

>>19995534
what does that mean, "he made the black skin subject to manu"

[Anonymous No.19995570]

>>19995471
>>19995481
>>19995488
>>19995496
>>19995534
>>19995537
The most shameless cherrypicked translation I've ever seen. Fucking retards lol

[Anonymous No.19995575]

>>19995570
Cope, pajeet.

[Anonymous No.19995579]

>>19995537
It means they have no nature (Manu being a nature or essence [which natures are themselves differentiated] of beings), and so are subject to beings with essence.

[Anonymous No.19995581]

>>19995579
wat? Manu is the first man

[Anonymous No.19995584]

>>19995581
That's incorrect.

[Anonymous No.19995587]

>>19995584
From your book: "They also refer to themselves as mtm~a and miinava, the "sons of Manu" or
the "peoples of Manu," for the legendary Manu (manu simply means "man") was
the one who first instituted the sacrifice and was therefore the founder of Vedic
religious culture."

wikipedia: In early texts, it refers to the archetypal man, or to the first man (progenitor of humanity). The Sanskrit term for 'human', मानव (IAST: mānava) means 'of Manu' or 'children of Manu

and in other proto indo european books said manu was the first man who created the world with sacrifice

[Anonymous No.19995589]

>>19995575
Genetic evidence completely debunks any idea of a war of "aryans vs non aryans", as does archeological evidence. Not only this, but countless hindu deities, including Krishna, are described as having black skin, and black is repeatedly labeled as a color of "all attractiveness". Not only this, but the writer of the Mahabharata was sage Vyasa, who himself had very dark skin according to Vedic texts describing him. The whole bullshit narrative of "muh nordic white aryans" was invented by 1800's white supremacists who had no basis other than racism. Genetic studies today prove that the steppe migrations into India were not invasions, like they were in Europe, and there is still plenty of yDNA from pre Aryan populations in India. Not only this, but the Sintashta who migrated into India were significantly more Yamnaya shifted than the ones who stayed in Russia, meaning they hardly had "nordic" or "white" features. Any small analysis of your retarded translations reveals blatant biases towards a predetermined narrative that attempts to make europeans larp as ancient Indians. Pretty fucking pathetic

[Anonymous No.19995593]

>>19995589
this is pretty stupid. Can you explain why sanskrit is an indo european language, and the hindu gods are synonymous with the aryan ones

[Anonymous No.19995596]

>>19995587
Manu is the primordial being. Being sons of Manu is equivalent to being sons of God in the Biblical terminology. Manu is never identified with man. "Human" in Sanskrit means "son of Manu", not "Manu", as you just posted there (from Wikipedia no less). Manu as the primordial being is the originator of all sacrifice, all order (dharma), and all good in the universe.
>said manu was the first man
No, it didn't.

[Anonymous No.19995603]

>>19995589
Krishna is not a deity from Rigvedas retard.

[Anonymous No.19995604]

>>19995596

[Anonymous No.19995608]

>>19995589
>Any small analysis
Such as? The people who undertook those translations are far more rigorous and scholarly than any biased brown-skins from India who are desperate to redeem themselves. You also didn't seem to provide any evidence whatsoever, interestingly enough.

[Anonymous No.19995610]

I've heard people mention that European features can be observed even today among upper castes in India, but I've never seen it myself. Can anyone share pics of European looking Indian people?

[Anonymous No.19995612]

>>19995610
just google indian people man i dont see how that's relevant here

[Anonymous No.19995614]

>>19995604
Does that really sound like a "man" to you, and not God? You seem to be really hung up on phonetic similarities. The fact that "Manu" is cognate with English man does not imply what you think it does. In this fragment you've quoted the god is supposedly travelling through space.

[Anonymous No.19995623]

>>19995593
Are you retarded or trolling? Indians literally invented the word Aryan to describe themselves and the gangetic plain they lived in. Of course sanskrit is an IE language, what is your point? do you think that proto Indo Europeans were "white" you dumb motherfucker?
Additionally, Hindu gods are Aryan gods. Not sure why you think those are different things.

>>19995603
>>19995608
At least put some effort into reading the image holy shit
Jamison/Brereton are not the only ones who translated the Rigveda or any Vedic texts for that matter. Dozens of other translations exist from different linguists all around the world, since sanskrit is so basal to many IE langages. Not to mention, Indians all over the subcontinent have been analyzing sanskrit morphology and etymology for literally thousands of years. We have continuous rigorous translations of Sanskrit that aren't tainted by European biases and the like.

That being said, Jamison/Brereton have done valid work in the field of linguistics. But their theories about invasion and a skin tone based hierarchy are simply disproven in the context of modern genetics.

[Anonymous No.19995625]

>>19995610
Indians are the original caucasians. Albino dravidians look white, regardless of caste

[Anonymous No.19995638]

>>19995623
>But their theories about invasion and a skin tone based hierarchy are simply disproven in the context of modern genetics.
Nope. The fact that the a small minority of Aryan conquerors cannot significantly change a large pool of brownskins does not change anything. It is simply the way of the world. Conquerors are usually vastly numerically inferior and thus only leave cultural and linguistic, but not genetic evidence (or only small traces of genetic evidence, which are still seen in India today due to the small percentage of Indo-European haplogroups circulating through the population).

[Anonymous No.19995641]

>>19995614
sounds like its a god that is the first man, man is descended from this "god"

[Anonymous No.19995646]

>>19995623
yeah so if sanskrit is an IE language and they have the same gods, obviously they are connected genetically. its not hard to understand. yeah indians are brown cause they were niggers mixed with whites

[Anonymous No.19995651]

>>19995623
>Indians literally invented the word Aryan to describe themselves
The term Aryan is also not coined by Indians. This word exists in Iranian, where it was used both to denote the ruling Iranian castes and their homeland (Aryanem Vaijo), Alania. In other words it existed before either of them. And if you read Buddhist scripture you'll see fairly clearly that the word Arya does not refer to a distinct ethnic group, but to a special kind of person.
>Hindu gods are Aryan gods.
Aryan = Indo-European. Krishna is not an Indo-European god, it was inserted by the indigenous Indian religion.

[Anonymous No.19995652]

>>19995641
Man was created out of the slaughtered cow by Manu. Man did not exist before this. It says right there in the text you posted.

[Anonymous No.19995657]

>>19995652
im saying manu is like a divine version of man man but also godlike or god

[Anonymous No.19995659]

>>19995657
>>19995652

its the same as norse myth. these kinds of gods are quite man-like. Theyre basically divine men

[Anonymous No.19995661]

>>19995659
whereas a god such as AGNI or something is not really a man, but still a god

[Anonymous No.19995680]

>>19995652
so where did you learn about manu where is your knowledge from that manu is a nature whatever that means

[Anonymous No.19995685]

>>19995657
It's more that man is an impure projection of Manu, just as everything in the universe is (because Manu is not just responsible for mankind, but is the progenitor and blueprint of the cosmos itself - everything, including mankind, partakes of Manu). The essence of beings are in, or are, Manu, which means that there would naturally be a similarity between Manu and mankind, thence the cognate and the confusion here. And then we come back to the original point about the "black skins" being subject to Manu, which simply means that they are the lowest and least essential element, they are the "matter" opposed of essence ("entelechy"), which is Manu. The brain (Manu) in contrast to the soles of the feet (which is almost the same symbolism used in this context).

[Anonymous No.19995688]

>>19995685
so youre saying manu is literally the monad?

[Anonymous No.19995692]

>>19995688
because etymologyoically manu seems very similar to "monos" or "monad"

being in greek is "einai"

ein - one - ena - unus etc

[Anonymous No.19995695]

>>19995685
do you have a discord or contact

[Anonymous No.19995783]

>>19995501
Griffith sanitised the sexual parts for a Victorian audience. Some of his translations are just very far from what is actually being said because an authentic translation would make ladies blush

[Anonymous No.19995833]

>>19995589
Krishna isn't even an original deity among the Aryans and even in later literature such as Mahbharata there are clues that he was not always so highly exalted eg. Sisupala, his own cousin, refers to Krsna as a cow killer, a mere herder, and not of noble birth

[Anonymous No.19995834]

>>19995471
FTBP. I have no idea who the fuck could have been telling OP "there is no translation" this long after it was released. Still holding out some (probably naïve) hope that we get similar treatment for the Yajurvedas, Brāhmaṇas, and Āraṇyakas before I'm in my forties.

[Anonymous No.19995839]

>>19995623

They were white. They carried genes for blonde and red hair and had complexions within the European spectrum, but darker than northern Europeans who got lighter in the Bronze age. By any metric Yamnaya were white people and no one is more like them than Northern Europeans

[Anonymous No.19995841]

Why no one mention doniger translation? Is it bad?

[Anonymous No.19995853]

Please reply, this has been bothering me for some time now. Rid Vedic gods were invoked through sacrifices and rituals, but they were actual personalities capable of influencing the cosmos. But when I read late hindu literature, Krishna and Shiva are identified with Brahman, it's a passive principle, I get that doing bhakti for them aids realization cause you are constantly being reminded of vedanta teachings, but I can't believe in them or even love, since they are not spirits which can talk to you, cause change in the cosmos. Wondering if it is possible "to larp" and do some of the old sacrifices with actual spirits.

[Anonymous No.19995858]

>>19995481
indians are snowflakes who are also butthurt about buddhism

[Anonymous No.19995867]

>>19995853
you can but since the brahmins changed Hinduism several times, you wont have lots of support for this

[Anonymous No.19995923]

>>19995867
I know the rituals in Rid Veda were very complex. And there is no book or guide about it.

[Anonymous No.19996082]

>>19995853
Effort Post incoming omw to my desktop Fren pawdner viking Chad pajeetslayer777

[Anonymous No.19996093]

>>19995841
It's a partial, selective translation of less than 10% of the whole compendium. It was arguably valuable in its time, because it was kind of the only game in town for Anglophones until Jamison and Brereton (that is, unless you either wanted to grind through a case study in 19th century British Orientalism, or choose from a litany of full translations done by schizos who unironically do shit like translate the word for "chariot" as "spaceship"). But there's no real reason to get it nowadays, except maybe as a companion volume to Jamison/Brereton for comparison on the relevant sūktas.

[Anonymous No.19996110]

>>19996093
Actually, not that it matters much, but I correct that to "slightly more than 10%". Just looked at it again and saw I misremembered how many sūktas were in Doniger (it contains 108 out of 1,028).

[basic veda anon No.19996134]

This book was translated from Sanskrit to English by Max Müller in the year 1856. H.H. Wilson also translated this book into English as Rigveda Sanhita in the year 1856.

Intro commentary to the Rig Veda outlining the cast of dieties
https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/vedaread.htm

Text of the actual Rig Veda translated in English

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rigveda/index.htm
terrible reading experience on website but good for quick reference

[Anonymous No.19996155]

>>19995853
I'm just taking it as the smartest white astronomers who ever lived were also related to the cowboy viking invading Aryans and poets and Greek theatre and Persia Avesta priests who wrote literary merit genius in cryptic artistically inspired fashion. Artistic inspiration when in the awe of the cosmos is divine and religiously potent. Same with Buddhism but those crazy monks actually have nofap super powers. The Vedic peoples were a real aristocracy, a real priesthood, a real sailor fleet, a real BBQ master race. I posess what no Dravidian scholar does in the subjective experience of BEING the same genes closest to them. They created reality with their will and whim. I desire something, chances are my ancestors since them wrought it into our deepest historical recesses and technological booms and religious ecstasies. I love the BLOOD of the Veda! Not the graveyard! Not the scrolls that if burned but read and proudly internalized across our lands our people could retcon in greater installment today!

[Anonymous No.19996169]

>>19996155
>I wear my grandads clothes I look incredible

[Anonymous No.19996175]

>>19995438
bro is that the moon from Majora's Mask

[Anonymous No.19996182]

AGNI I WANNA BE I WANNA BE I WANNA BE A SUPER SURYA SOMA SAYIAIN

[Anonymous No.19996211]

>he fell for the empty LARP insult
What LARPing as yourself now? The Vedas contradict themselves unlike the Quran and Bible that set themselves up as law by outsiders who lack the Indo-European continuum and seek to destroy it. Vedanta of Soma indra These are battle cries meticulously metered for Indra Cosmos, fertility rites, grace at meaty beery meals not LAWS. The law is written in the heart. Aewa says the Oera Linda. Waters. Sunlight. Spirit. Will. One. Wralda is Brahman. AGNI is Christ uncircumcised. The priests on Earth connected to the heavenly eternal meme magic. Memes are keys. They can be refashioned for the cosmos at a later date. It frustrates normies to see a man build something new think something new instead of the cattle conveyor belt they are used to.

[Anonymous No.19996250]

>>19996211
kek

[Anonymous No.19996258]

>>19995853
Krishna or Shiva being identified with a universal Brahman doesn’t mean that Rig Vedic gods are no longer personalities that can influence the cosmos, because even in a metaphysics where there is a universal Brahman, there can still be limited and distinct deities with personalities present within such a system as parts of Brahman or as parts of its energy/emanation etc in a henotheistic sense.

Also, Vedic rites are considered to have real efficiency at producing results even in Hindu schools where the ultimate metaphysical principle of Brahman is conceived of as unchanging and unmoving.

[Anonymous No.19996342]

>>19995685
good posts

[Anonymous No.19996585]

The yogis are coming, the yogis are coming!

[Anonymous No.19996595]

when the vedic medicine man puts in a lil extra

[Anonymous No.19996603]

I got the inspiration for this device that will end the Ukraine conflict by praying to lord Hara Krishna

[Anonymous No.19996612]

>>19996595
How much did they have just lying around to be able to totally bury her alive in it on short notice?

[Anonymous No.19996638]

>>19996612
They just spray their house walls with some water to loosen up the turds

[Anonymous No.19996675]

>>19996638
>implying the people in that video have reliably-functional plumbing in their home
Doubt.

[Anonymous No.19996761]

>>19995839
they were swarthy brown caucasoids who raped european aboriginal women to get lighter.

[Anonymous No.19996763]

[Anonymous No.19996777]

>>19995575
>>19995534
t.

[Anonymous No.19996788]

>>19995438
Go for the bibek debroy's translation

[Anonymous No.19996802]

>>19995438
rig veda for the layman. it's kind of expensive but apparently the best.

[Anonymous No.19996824]

>>19996788
Wait, that guy did an Ṛgveda too? I just bought his Mahābhārata a few months ago, how did I never know this?

[Anonymous No.19996845]

>look it up
>just another 100-sūkta movie trailer for the Ṛgveda
>costs $50
>"apparently the best"
Fucking hell, anon. I usually try not to be stereotypically 4chan-toxic on /lit/, but you HAVE to have some sort of learning disability.

[Anonymous No.19996851]

>>19995438
Hindi to english translations are bad, sanskrit to english are REALLY bad.

Just be aware that there is extensive reinterpretation in any translation.

[Anonymous No.19996855]

two questions
1.How is possible, if rig veda is the most important book in hinduism, that the greatest gods there like Agni, Indra... are basically marginal gods in mainstream hinduism but Vishnu, Shiva, Brahma have the spotlights?
I mean it is like you have the Bible, the Gospels and Christianity is not based on Jesus but Abdon.
How do they explain this? Why don't they adore them?
2. Is here where all the kali yuga stuff is explained? If not, where can i find it?

[Anonymous No.19996864]

>>19995593
South Indian languages share 80% vocabulary with Sanskrit. Using linguistic evidence is pretty null desu.

[Anonymous No.19996869]

>>19996855
back to pol, you haven't read guenon and it shows

[Anonymous No.19996875]

>>19995608
Fucking retard. You know there are Indians who speak Sanskrit as their native language? Are you really implying old ass translations are better than people speaking and memorizing the language and vedas since fucking birth.

WE WUZ HINDOOOZ

[Anonymous No.19996879]

>>19995839
funny how Rightoids love saying that Arabs aren't white but also claim that Proto Indo Europeans were in fact white.
At this point just say that everyone who can make good stuff was white. So pathetic

[Anonymous No.19996921]

>>19996855
> 1.How is possible, if rig veda is the most important book in hinduism, that the greatest gods there like Agni, Indra... are basically marginal gods in mainstream hinduism but Vishnu, Shiva, Brahma have the spotlights?
The most important religious text in Hinduism is the Sruti and not just the Rig Veda. The term Sruti denotes all 4 books of the Vedas including all of their layers, which includes the Upanishads. Vishnu, Shiva and Brahma are all mentioned in the Upanishads, and in a few places in the non-Upanishad portion of the Vedas as well. Having quantitatively more hymns be devoted to you in the Vedas doesn’t necessarily mean that the deity in question is above another one. Heavily implicit in the Vedas, and arguably explicit in a few passages, are the idea that all deities are just masks or costumes, or manifestations of the one supreme Lord. This basic henotheistic idea is found both in the Vedas and in later Hindu scripture.

>How do they explain this? Why don't they adore them?
They dont adore them because whatever sect they follow teaches adoration of the Supreme Lord (e.g. Narayana etc) instead of lesser deities.

2. Is here where all the kali yuga stuff is explained? If not, where can i find it?
Kali Yuga stuff mostly comes from the Mahabharata, Kalki Purana and Vishnu Purana I believe

[Anonymous No.19996989]

>>19996879
They make fun of blacks for doing the exact same thing as well. It's pathetic in both instances.

[Anonymous No.19997004]

>>19995839
retard

[Anonymous No.19997013]

>>19996879
Everyone who can make good stuff was white
>T. White pussy sociosexual standard
get fucked m8 seriously like cum inside a white vagina

[Anonymous No.19997047]

>>19997013
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2tLyqfJd54
>someone's WHITE WIFE is here to pick them up
Thomas Sowell is spiritually white. Even though he himself doesn't follow this joke to a T, he is a real deal observation of the forces at play here at stomp out ego and individuality especially across the eons to Vedic times.

[Anonymous No.19997066]

>>19996879
>white people, literally the granchildren of aryan people, cannot boast of indoeuropean merits.
This is your brain on blackness.
Look, you are reading and writing in English (an indo european language) right now because grandanddy decided ride his horse and chariot to the west.

[Anonymous No.19997087]

stop being lazy

[Anonymous No.19997165]

>>19997066
you literally cant though

you're talking about people you are partially descended from thousands of years ago

[Anonymous No.19997168]

>>19995438
>Now im not gonna go learn a whole fucking language just to read one book

I'm planning to learn Italian just to read the divine comedy (I speak a few romance language already so not too hard)

[Anonymous No.19997905]

>>19997168
>>19997087
It's not being lazy, it's called a fucking waste of time and life.

[Anonymous No.19997933]

>>19996879
>claim that Proto Indo Europeans were in fact white.
They were the same color as Europeans today. Why would you imagine that fucking steppe herdsman in Eurasia would be coal black Bantus?

[Anonymous No.19997943]

>>19996175
what are you talking about, there's no moon in the picture

[Anonymous No.19998123]

>>19995834
just google "what is the best translation of rig veda" and you'll see

[Anonymous No.19998135]

>>19996134
Ok but your link is translated by ralph griffith

[Anonymous No.19998497]

>>19998135
And tell me about this is this good or bad

[Anonymous No.19998540]

>>19998497
because you said its by max muller

[Anonymous No.19998560]

>>19998540
same difference I'm retarded
>>19997168
I'm learning German just for Schopenflour

[Anonymous No.19998617]

>>19996921
>which includes the Upanishads.
that's brahmin propaganda. Upanishads are utterly cringe and contradict everything said in the Vedas. The vedas are the only master texts.

[Anonymous No.19998634]

>>19996875
>Are you really implying old ass translations are better
In terms of etymology and comparative linguistics? Absolutely I do. It's the same reason I trust modern scholars of Ancient Greek over Plato's speculation on the origin of Greek words in Cratylus.

[Anonymous No.19998962]

>>19995488
>Same reason Indra is cast as a buffoon in subsequent Pajeeto lit.
stupid nigger. indra diminishes in importance in the puranic age due to the rise of the vishnu cult (a vedic cult) and its associated deities. as well as the nastika assault on vedic srauta orthodoxy.

>>19996761
>>19996763
imo, i think indian aryans basically resembled high caste indians today from north-west (and other parts) india. i think indians/iranians were the darker branch of the PIE people who must have straddled a vast expanse, with the more western clans having a higher incidence of blondism and lighter features.

[Anonymous No.19999035]

>>19995471
I had an experience where I was curious about Hinduism and wanted to talk to real Hindus so I joined a Hindu discord server. The members asked me why I wanted to join and when I told them a few of them didn't want me to stay on the basis that I was just "involving myself for entertainment" and "not looking for truth". I always wondered if this was just a peculiar incident or whether or not the religion as a whole is meant to be somewhat secretive. I always assumed religions wanted to spread their beliefs so they could get new members but that may not be the case.

[Anonymous No.19999041]

>>19995579
No man, manu just means (white) man.

[Anonymous No.19999048]

>>19995589
>Genetic evidence completely debunks any idea of a war of "aryans vs non aryans",


A few confused sentences later:

>Genetic studies today prove that the steppe migrations into India were not invasions, like they were in Europe, and there is still plenty of yDNA from pre Aryan populations in India.

[Anonymous No.19999056]

>>19995623
>Are you retarded or trolling? Indians literally invented the word Aryan to describe themselves and the gangetic plain they lived in.
They didnt, Ireland is literally land of the aryans.

[Anonymous No.19999065]

>>19996211
Take meds.

[Anonymous No.19999075]

>>19996258
I doubt the Veda has anything like brahman in it, perhaps the same terms, but not the concept. Pantheism is not indo-european.

[Anonymous No.19999090]

>>19997165
>you literally cant though
Was unaware of any law preventing me from doing this. Sounds to me that this is really a case of you not wanting people to do something, framing it as an arbitrary rule to try and lend a sense of objective authority to what is clearly just a personal grudge you have.

[Anonymous No.20000520]

bump

[Anonymous No.20001385]

>>19999065
Yeah soma

[Anonymous No.20001408]

>>19999035
> I always assumed religions wanted to spread their beliefs so they could get new members but that may not be the case.
ever seen a Jew proselytising the Talmud to goyim?

[Anonymous No.20001443]

>>19996761
Zamn, didn't know Inspector Pradyuman is white.

[Anonymous No.20001492]

>>19996855
The Aryan Conquerors had to adopt the native gods to be accepted as legitimate rulers and were gradually absorbed into the Native Population
>DRAVIDIAN BVLLS-1
>Microdick Wh*tecels=0

[Anonymous No.20002404]

>>20001492
this would make sense if the aryan languan and religion wasnt synonymous with european ones, sorry pajeet, also indians have the smallest dicks in the world

[Anonymous No.20002698]

Does anyone truly understand this in a deep and fundamental way?

[Anonymous No.20003624]

>>19995490
And?

[Anonymous No.20003846]

>>20002698
Where's this from?

[Anonymous No.20003870]

>>20003846
rig veda book introduction jaimson

[Anonymous No.20004573]

>>20002404
>aryan language and religion
who?
I speak Tamil and we worship Shiva, the God of destruction, the god of my ancestors from the Indus Valley. All of the micropenis losers are from up North from people who your ilk raped. They eat cow dung and shit on the street because thats literally your peoples culture. The only reason you arent doing the same is because the Jews civilised your subhuman kind.

[Anonymous No.20004635]

>>20002698
yes the vedas are just a bunch of retarded brahmins babbling about how super important it is to do rituals, because those people are just doing this. then go to telling kings and important people that brahmincal rituals are super duper important .

Until the jains and the buddhists called all this bullshit. The brahmins were upset and they manufactured the upanishats to counter the claim of the thinkers independent of the vedas.

[Anonymous No.20004640]

>>20001408
>ever seen a Jew proselytising the Talmud to goyim?
The goyim version of Judaism is called christianity.

[Anonymous No.20004747]

>>20002698
I don't. Or at least I would sound exactly like the text you shared thinking that's what I think about all the time and no one understands me outside of saying my artwork is cool.
But this Anglo guy studied it very well in the 1910s
https://archive.org/details/vedicreaderforst00macd
https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/vedaread.htm

[Anonymous No.20004753]

>>20004747
A Vedic Reader by AA MacDonell

I'm interested in sorting through some commentaries. I read 13 pages of MacDonell's reader.

[Anonymous No.20005819]

>>19996864
That's because south Indian languages stem from the Tamil bramhi script which is just as old as Sanskrit, so no surprise that there's a lot of loanwords and similarities in grammar

[Anonymous No.20005971]

>>19999075
> I doubt the Veda has anything like brahman in it, perhaps the same terms, but not the concept. Pantheism is not indo-european.
The pre-Upanishad portion of the Vedas have both the term and concept of Brahman, read Coomaraswamy’s “Perception of the Vedas”

"By knowing Brahman one attains immortality here. There is no other way to its attainment"
- Taittiriya Aranyaka (of the Yajur Veda) 6.1.6.

"Lord of creation! no other than thee pervades all these that have come into being"
- Rig Veda 10.121.10

"Without any want, contemplative, immortal, self-originated, sufficed with a quintessence, lacking in naught whatever: lie who knoweth that constant, ageless, and ever-youthful Spirit, knoweth indeed himself, and feareth not to die"
- Arthava Veda 10.8.44

>>20002698
Yes, it’s basically the same idea as “as above, so below” from Hermeticism, and in that paragraph the author is saying that this web of symbolism is tapped into or made use of by Vedic rites because of how their chants involve words that are a part of this web and which can be interpreted variously depending on the context.
>>20004635
The earliest Upanishads predate the life of Buddha. Things like karma, rebirth, liberation, non-violence, meditation etc appear in the early Upanishads before Buddha was born. Buddha may have taken those ideas from the Hindu texts like Upanishads that predated him.

[Anonymous No.20007091]

yes

[Anonymous No.20007127]

>>19995638
One question that I have is where that white DNA comes from. Was it the Greeks or the first IE invaders? There were lots of Greeks there for a long time, and the Greeks were more recent. I also wonder what the Greek impact on race in India was.

[Anonymous No.20007136]

>>20007127
*in the last paragraph I meant the perception of race, not just race