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/wg/ Writing General Anonymous Sat Feb 19 17:09:39 2022 No.19955093 [Reply] [Original]

"Post your novel ideas" edition
Previous >>19942503

For Prose:
>The Art of Fiction, Gardner
>The Anatomy of Story, Truby
>Story Genius: How to Use Brain Science to Go Beyond Outlining and Write a Riveting Novel (Before You Waste Three Years Writing 327 Pages That Go Nowhere)
>On Becoming A Novelist
>The First Five Pages
>Writing Fiction: A Guide to Narrative Craft
>How Fiction Works
>The Rhetoric of Fiction
>Steering the Craft
>On Writing, Borges

For Poetry:
>The Poetry Home Repair Manual
>Western Wind: An Introduction to Poetry
>This Craft of Verse, Borges

Recommended Watching:
>Robert Olen Butler: Inside Creative Writing https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTCv6n1whoI23GmdBZienRW0Q0nFCU_ay

Related Material:
>What Editors Do
>A Student's Introduction to English Grammar
>Garner's Modern English Usage

Suggested books on storytelling:
>The Weekend Novelist
>Aristotle's Poetics
>Hero With a Thousand Faces
>Romance the Beat

Traditional publishing
>Formatting manuscript
https://blog.reedsy.com/manuscript-form
>Submittable https://www.submittable.com/
>QueryTracker https://querytracker.net/
>Manuscript Wishlist https://www.manuscriptwishlist.com/

list of /wg/ authors pastebin and anonymous flash fiction anthology
https://pastebin.com/ruwQj7xQ

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 17:16:41 2022 No.19955132 hello cuties. how are the retention in these threads. How long have you fuckers been posting in /wg/

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 17:19:56 2022 No.19955149 >>19955132 Been posting since the first one in my eyes >>/lit/thread/S15974415 There were some 2019 and prior but I don't see those as the first ones

Anonymous Sat Feb 19 17:34:35 2022 No.19955215

>>19955132
I was here before /wg/ was really a big thing, when it was kinda the retard child of write what's on your mind and pige threads. I started really watching when /wg/ was what picked up after write what's on your mind got nuked for being a sadboy containment thread, but before said containment thread came back. It's amazing how far this general has come since it was only a dumping ground for insecure authors seeking pats on the back for not writing because they have inferiority complexes. It's almost a bearable writing forum.

Anonymous Sat Feb 19 17:36:27 2022 No.19955224
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>35,000 words into my experimental literary fiction novel
>despite an outline and a clear vision of where I wanted everything to go, realize I have fatally misunderstood the trajectories of my characters and the book has become an insincere parody of everything I wanted it to be
>agonize over this for weeks
>have nightmares about it
>finally snap
>now I'm 4,000 words into my experimental literary fiction novel
It hurts, but it had to be done.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 17:37:54 2022 No.19955235 Would any of you darlings mind providing grammar critique? I'll post the passages tomorrow if the answer is yes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 17:40:12 2022 No.19955244 >>19955235 The prevailing sentiment is, stop fucking asking if something is okay and just do it

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 17:43:16 2022 No.19955261 >>19955244 Noted. See you tomorrow.

Anonymous Sat Feb 19 17:44:05 2022 No.19955264
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>>19955093
A young man gains a superpower that allows him to physically touch people through their own posts and media displayed on a screen. He quickly understands how to use this power for humanity and becomes incredibly jacked but only on one arm and starts destroying people he dislikes with brass knuckled fists. It suddenly comes through your smartphone screen and obliterates your face. People quickly become afraid of angering The Fist. Politicians and influencers quit the internet. Feminists and other activists quit. The Fist becomes a figure of worship. "May the Fist spare your teeth" becomes common English jargon. When camthots quit, a global rebellion puts a bounty on the enormous arm. Will the Internet collapse under the menace of The Fist? Will he be doxxed through telemetry and algorithms? Nobody knows. A tale that spans over all the classic themes of humanity: /fit/, /lit/, /r9k/, /a/, /soc/, /g/ and much more.

Anonymous Sat Feb 19 17:53:24 2022 No.19955310

>>19955093
>"Post your novel ideas" edition

A rapist who avoided punishment runs into his kid and wants to help him succeed/be happy, as a means of atonement for his crime. The child lives in a dysfunctional household as the mother is still wrecked by the trauma and found an abusive husband who rubs it on her face. The conflict is built around the way the mother's environment is obviously damaging to the child, yet how the rapist obviously shouldn't be anywhere near his victim - how to balance the child's welfare with the victim's rights and the need of justice for the crime is the main driving question.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 17:56:15 2022 No.19955332 >>19955093 what is that disgusting looking thing?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 17:56:57 2022 No.19955340 File: 75 KB, 380x480, 2021-03-20C-380x480.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What's the most disgusting thing you've ever read?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 17:57:27 2022 No.19955345 >>19955332 a tapir

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 18:02:30 2022 No.19955376 File: 159 KB, 500x564, how-do-you-write-women-so-well-i-think-of-29782245.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is this true?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 18:07:34 2022 No.19955405 How the heck do I see ratings on Royalroad? Where do I go and what do I click?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 18:10:01 2022 No.19955414 >>19955376 Yes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 18:10:06 2022 No.19955415 >>19955405 Royal road is for barely literate retards who want to read some shitty isekai power fantasy harem bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 18:12:05 2022 No.19955420 i think it's pretty shocking that this general allows people who post on royal road and other shit like that here. you have no self-respect and no respect for literature. hustlers, not artists.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 18:12:26 2022 No.19955421 >>19955340 My sext with some furry

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 18:13:53 2022 No.19955427 >>19955415 Okay, but I publish to it, got a rating on my piece, and I can't see what they gave me. I must be in the wrong spot, and would like to know.

Anonymous Sat Feb 19 18:14:02 2022 No.19955428

>>19955420
We all want to make a dime. If I really wanted a great book, I would finally write my historical fiction on the 1980's cola wars. But the research is a pain in the ass and my local library doesn't have the resources I need or want. I need to go back to my college and look for it

Anonymous Sat Feb 19 18:14:56 2022 No.19955431

>>19955420
on the contrary at least they show their work. I can count on one hand the amount of people who post their trad or selfpub books in the past 2 years we had wg. I'm not making any money off my webnovel though and no desire to, just writing something I want to read that others may enjoy too

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 18:15:13 2022 No.19955433 >>19955340 Dipper Goes to Taco Bell

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 18:18:48 2022 No.19955452 >>19955431 If you people had followed me on twitter, you'd know that I self-pubbed, but nooooo, y'all just screeched about meerkatters and soullessness

Anonymous Sat Feb 19 18:20:42 2022 No.19955461

>>19955452
I just want my favorite artists and those I might be interested in commissioning chapter art for desu, never cared for the I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine shlick, since, you know, it's all fake. Never got into writers lift or the other tag for that reason. Just scratching eachother's ballsacks without any real substance.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 18:21:06 2022 No.19955464 >>19955093 >changed the OP >didn't get rid of the absolute fucking cancer in the "For Prose" section End your life.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 18:21:48 2022 No.19955469 >>19955461 I am trying to post memes and stuff, because writers lift is absolute trash. I need to go in and unfollow everyone with their pronouns in the bio.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 18:25:37 2022 No.19955485 >>19955464 I mention this every so often but royalroad hasn't been in the OP for half a year now either.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 18:26:27 2022 No.19955491 >>19955332 >>19955345 No it's a pige

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 18:27:11 2022 No.19955495 >>19955428 >We all want to make a dime no one makes money from writing

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 18:28:25 2022 No.19955503 >>19955464 Buddy you had until page fucking 9 to make an OP. What cancer is in the for prose section that needs to be removed?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 18:32:25 2022 No.19955519 >>19955420 Sometimes you gotta hustle to make art. Even Willy Shakes sucked up to the kings of his time to make a dime.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 18:36:45 2022 No.19955530 >>19955503 Maybe if your lazy ass did its job fast he wouldn't need to wait to pg 9 you stupid nigger.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 18:40:21 2022 No.19955540 >>19955495 False as an absolute, but true for demoralizing purposes. I think the easiest way to make money in art is drawing degen porn.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 18:41:12 2022 No.19955541 >>19955264 Based, would read.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 18:46:37 2022 No.19955562 >>19955503 Maybe you should look up the actual books and figure out which ones don't belong, you fucking dumb faggot. Not to mention that essentially NONE of those books are instructional for prose.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 19:17:24 2022 No.19955709 >>19955264 What mighty corded thews.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 19:23:31 2022 No.19955743 >>19955264 Would read.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 19:24:15 2022 No.19955744 >>19955433 Read an actual fucking book for once in your life

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 19:30:10 2022 No.19955779 If you write everyday, what is it that you tend to write? Do you work on a story every day?

Anonymous Sat Feb 19 19:34:55 2022 No.19955811

I'm a thousand words into my sword-and-sorcery "novel". That's already 1/50th or thereabouts done! If I just do what I did today 49 more times I'll have a real story on my hands here.
I just hope it isn't utter shit. That would be an awful turn of events.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 19:51:25 2022 No.19955920 >>19955811 How many characters are you working with? I'm writing some fantasy and have eight major characters but I have a sinking feeling that's too many for the story I'm telling. Might be overwhelming myself.

Anonymous Sat Feb 19 19:57:39 2022 No.19955962

How's the first paragraph?

"Rise"
Mallie waited until King Sredieus lifted the Sword of Morath from her shoulder. The room was silent as the The Ceremony of Ascension began to conclude. She was one of ten newly appointed knights chosen for their prowess, skill, intellect, strength, speed, and leadership. The Knight of Powrases, named after the first king, was a unique group. Many throughout the years have tried for a position, but few ever ascended to the position. Millie's armor shined as her white tunic draped over her polished breastplate. Her chain leggings and steel plated boots completed the rest of her wardrobe. She did not wear the armguards to the ceremony, but decided to wear the circlet her late Father left her Brother, Mailise.

The story is going to be about a sibling war. The Brother will become a dark knight while she becomes a paladin, and in the end they can only reconcile by fighting each other. Or have hot steamy sex. I haven't decided on the ending yet. What do you guys think?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 19:59:34 2022 No.19955973 >>19955779 I do a flash fiction every weekend for my blog and throughout the week I work in my stories. I've got two going right now, one which is in infancy and the other which is nearing publication. Depending on my mood, I switch

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 20:04:29 2022 No.19956001 >>19955962 They should have an incestual relationship. Then when they break up, and the only thing that drives the two back together is for her pussy to be filled by his cock.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 20:19:01 2022 No.19956064 >>19955779 Is that what you’ve always done?

Anonymous Sat Feb 19 20:21:17 2022 No.19956068

>>19955920
I haven't worked it all out yet. I've found trying to plan things out has hindered me too much in the past so I've decided to just play it by ear on the first draft and then go back through on subsequent editing to make it all fit and do the major revisions and redactions to make it all make sense. I expect I'll probably split and merge characters as I feel inclined along the way.
The philosophy I'm having going into this is to think "What story am I trying to tell people" and I want to tighten my lens around that idea as much as I can. I'm telling X story and while Y characters and details might be great if they aren't contributing to X I don't need to worry about them. I'm aiming for something more like the Odyssey than like The Lord of the Rings, if you get what I'm trying to say.
Like "My main dude is going to go to these places and do these things, I only need the other dudes who are in those places who help or hinder his goals in those locations"

So I guess we're in a similar boat. I think it's okay to have a small cast if that's what you need, it's okay to have a big cast if that's what you need. But there's no reason to trip over yourself if you don't have to.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 20:33:30 2022 No.19956127 >>19956001 Anon, I'm gonna have to ask you to coom before posting

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 20:45:33 2022 No.19956194 >>19955264 >When camthots quit >implying camthots wouldnt gladly anger the fist in order to get the fisting of a lifetime on camera Anon.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 20:53:22 2022 No.19956231 >>19956127 I also would like for the sister to fuck the king, knights, other peasants, orcs, goblins, but none of their cocks satisfy her like her brother's.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 21:02:10 2022 No.19956268 >>19955224 What's so experimental about it? My novel is almost a parody of itself. It's full of ridiculous things and characters who talk like stereotypes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 21:06:14 2022 No.19956285 File: 3.20 MB, 1920x1253, image_2022-02-19_210557.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] thinking about moving to Europe

Anonymous Sat Feb 19 21:08:22 2022 No.19956293

>>19955376
No, it entirely depends on the woman, how she was raised, and whether she's naturally more feminine or masculine.
If she lacks reason and accountability that only means she probably lacks a strong father too, not that it's representative of all women.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 21:14:46 2022 No.19956331 File: 38 KB, 700x420, 1645323220379.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19956285 I hope not to London, Paris, or Berlin.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 21:17:59 2022 No.19956355 File: 2.96 MB, 2998x1686, image_2022-02-19_211743.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19956331 Definitely not London, but maybe somewhere like Bristol or Warwickshire. Stratford. I'm fed up with Canada at the moment.

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>>19955093
Was writing a scene about two characters (who I'll call C and D) where the outcome is that D asks C to kill him so that C can live. But C is willing to sacrifice her life to save D. But D wants to sacrifice himself for C. And..
I did not think this through

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 21:45:11 2022 No.19956487 Have you anons been advertising and growing a base to sell to before you shit out your book and hope someone sniffs it?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 21:55:39 2022 No.19956531 >>19956487 already serializing so my work is out there in the world. never going to commercialize or do paid ads

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 21:57:43 2022 No.19956539 >>19956531 > never going to commercialize or do paid ads Why? The answer better not be that you don’t care about money or being known. Of course you’d rather have the money to do and write as you please and the fame to spread your stories.

Anonymous Sat Feb 19 22:04:18 2022 No.19956572

>>19956539
because I don't want to deal with the hellscape that is trad or selfpubbing. I don't want to toss and turn at night wondering if I'll make a few copies or not. It's simply just not worth the hassle. And yes, I don't want to make a penny off my creativity, it's just my principle. It's already on a few scraper sites anyways. People will find it if they find it, and I still get more views in as-is. Not everything has to be about making money.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 22:07:22 2022 No.19956589 >>19956459 That's the pearl necklace

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 22:07:26 2022 No.19956590 >>19956572 You view money as a goal. I view money as a means to something greater. We are not the same.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 22:20:36 2022 No.19956631 anyone know if that guy that organizes the flash fiction anthology stuff is gonna do a fourth book

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 22:59:13 2022 No.19956736 File: 179 KB, 719x1277, Screenshot_20220118-214549_1_1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19956631 Mayve once the rest of these prompts are done. He hasn't been here in a long time to shill it though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:01:30 2022 No.19956745 These threads would be better if people posted excerpts from their work for feedback

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:05:35 2022 No.19956756 If it was someone from here that gave me a 5 star rating on Undying Emperor this weekend, thanks! You bumped me up like 1000 spots in the rankings.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:06:27 2022 No.19956760 >>19955340 The prose in your novel

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:06:44 2022 No.19956764 >>19956745 I'm working on something I'll post tomorrow. I've posted it before months ago, but I'm revising it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:10:18 2022 No.19956778 File: 1.29 MB, 964x2762, bluebeard_2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19956745 Here's something I've been working on.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:12:30 2022 No.19956784 File: 164 KB, 1080x1867, image_2022-02-19_211127.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19956745 I posted it a few times already. I haven't been actively working on the wip lately though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:20:38 2022 No.19956807 >>19956756 I just gave you a five star rating. Good luck on your writing goals.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:22:50 2022 No.19956811 I'm taking all my restraints off. I'm going to write an incest story.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:24:24 2022 No.19956815 >>19956745 my works arent good enough to be posted here >>19956756 Nice job. Not the anon who gave you 5 stars but I'm working on a review for your story.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:26:09 2022 No.19956820 >>19956811 Anon, please go and coom. And then post it when you're done, but only if it's brother sister.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:26:13 2022 No.19956821 When writing incest, do you guys prefer adopted or blood related sister?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:30:27 2022 No.19956832 >>19956821 Fraternal twins separated at birth.

Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:47:25 2022 No.19956874

>>19956807
Thanks anon. I just hit 50k for the sequel to my cyberpunk book, so I'm going to put that on pause and add backlog to UE.

>>19956815
I appreciate it! I want to read some webnovels off RR after I finish reading some Goethe, so I can give other people reviews.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:48:59 2022 No.19956880 >>19956745 I did. Nobody responded. >>19955962

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:15:34 2022 No.19956952

>>19956880
Alright I'll give it a shot. Expressions of concurrency seem weird or ambiguous to me, as when you say that the room was silent AS the ceremony began to conclude or the armor shined AS the white tunic draped (who's doing the draping by the way?--this is the kind of passive voice that I've never really liked). Likewise I didn't really like the (possibly) accidental repetition (or close enough) of prowess with Powrases. Likewise for 'position' in the very next sentence.

Overall though, I didn't really understand the significance of detailing what she was wearing--other than the circlet--and introducing a bunch of proper names, while a common pulp fantasy technique, always felt a bit hacky to me. I guess the intention is to create the sense of a fictional world with the same verisimilitude as our own, yet I think there are better ways to do it--even in the pulp genre. For example, I remember one trick that Moorcook uses in his Elric stories is to always include, in nearly every scene, a surprise to the reader's expectations of ordinary reality. For instance, in one scene, Elric throws his magic sword (I forget the name of it) into the ocean and the reader expects it to sink, so instead Moorcock makes it stand straight up on the water. In the same way, you can play with the conventions and expectations of fantasy itself. The fact that she's in full regalia for this ceremony is a common fantasy trope, so you can always trying playing around with it--maybe she's in costume, or everyone else, or she's naked (or everyone else is) etc. It's things like that really build the world, not just names for things.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:29:48 2022 No.19956997 >>19956952 Thanks!

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:32:10 2022 No.19957003 >>19956778 good story. acceptable writing. i don't buy how she figured out it was all a trick. explore that/build that more and it would be better.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:34:54 2022 No.19957016 >>19956821 Surrogate mother (biomom's fertilized egg implanted) is the only answer

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:36:40 2022 No.19957019 >>19957003 roll

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:44:10 2022 No.19957037 >>19957003 Alright, I'll keep that mind for the next draft. Did the reveal get you at least? And did you think he was some kind of predator/serial killer in the beginning?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:08:57 2022 No.19957100 >tfw I'm a terrible visual artist but I don't want to pay for a cover for a RR story fugg

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:12:53 2022 No.19957116 pige, I...

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:13:51 2022 No.19957118 >>19957100 You have a camera for a reason

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:19:27 2022 No.19957138 >>19957118 >random landscape picture Worse than nothing desu.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:20:25 2022 No.19957142 >>19957037 there's a brief vibe of that but you pull it back quickly. what's the intent there?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:21:07 2022 No.19957149 >>19955093 language, thought, it was a man; farted loudly, and went back to sleep.

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:26:31 2022 No.19957164
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I promised my betareaders I'd finish my novelette this month. Parts 1-11 are finished but parts 12-15 still barely started. I have 8 days in which to finish them and I keep procrastinating. Should I fail to finish, I will disappoint them both.
I'm living life on the edge. Part 12 is where I kill the dog. They're not going to like that.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:29:11 2022 No.19957170 >>19955093 It's a book about a quadroon coming to terms with his nigger ancestry, while still hatings niggers.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:30:40 2022 No.19957173 >>19957170 I'd read it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:59:29 2022 No.19957253 File: 1.72 MB, 2160x3840, PXL_20220220_064754797.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Taoinspire you, from Seneca. What have you said? Don't quote great men, be quoted.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 02:02:48 2022 No.19957264 >>19957253 But by saying this you are yourself quoting great men. Curious! I am very intelligent.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 02:29:52 2022 No.19957345 >>19956194 That's what they lined up for, but they realized it was not that kind of fisting

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 02:35:49 2022 No.19957363 >>19957149 hey man, hear wee are; you rubbed thee; ball and wee came; man; corralled; structure; too breed thee surface; man; wanna taste; yew got it; a series of words; ensued; man

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 03:42:06 2022 No.19957540 >>19955093 Any good sources or examples on how to write speculative fiction?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 04:08:11 2022 No.19957604 Anyone self publishing will have more creative input over their cover and a lot of people will probably make one themselves. Do any of you make your own covers? What makes a good cover?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 04:13:49 2022 No.19957612 >>19955224 I have this secret desire when I see a statue like that to kiss her on the lips. Got really close to actually doing it once. I think there's a name for it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 04:43:55 2022 No.19957704 >>19955332 pige

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 05:08:08 2022 No.19957801 I had an extended break from writing and it's good to be back. I haven't written a lot today, it's been a slog and hasn't resulted in anything good, but something is on paper. Good luck everyone.

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 05:57:21 2022 No.19957961
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>tfw you realize how much time and effort goes into writing even a bad book
Makes me feel like giving a pat on the back to everyone who managed to finish such a daunting task, even if the end result wasn't great.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 06:01:11 2022 No.19957973 >>19957961 I only have done collections. What’s it like to write a full book? I’m working towards one now and I’m plotting it all out against my impulse to usually just wing it.

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 06:17:52 2022 No.19958037

>>19955962
It's very bad. It confuses exposition with character perspective, has no voice, and the prose is pedestrian at best.
One thing that you could do NOW to immediately improve the quality of your writing is realizing that sentences must grip, and each must lead naturally to the next. I will endure exposition only if I'm already interested in the world. So your first chapter's job isn't to expand on the attributes and history of the Knights of Whatever, but to suck me into a world where the Knights matter, and leave me wanting to know more about them. There are many ways to do this.
Generally, you should aim to engage the senses to suggest a living world. You start with a celebration, so a banquet is probably in order. What does the food smell and taste like? What are the lighting conditions? (Is this the brightly lit throne room of a benevolent God King, the dark and dusty abode of a decrepit ruler, or the dark and dusty abode of a decrepit God King?). Is there music and shouting, or the murmured conversations of attendees (there is never nothing. Even in sound-blocking chambers you can hear the beating of your own heart).
So far, the only bit of action you've given me was a king hefting a sword, or some such cliché nonsense. Kings are supposed to heft swords, that's nearly all the job entails. I'd be more surprised, and therefore more interested, if the king tried and failed to heft a sword because he's so old, or he dropped it because his hands were slathered full of sacramental lube. Same for armor shining - armor shines by default. I do not care that the person who wears armor is also wearing steel leggings and chainmail undies. I assume she is, just move on. Absence of armguards is interesting, but does it matter? I like the inclusion of the circlet, I do not like to know the complete history immediately. For now, give the circlet one (1) interesting characteristic (gold, silver, corded bull testicles, worn smooth, spanking new, sharp edged, etc) and make the character interact with it (turn it nervously, finger it with deliberate slowness, jab a pointed end into the inside of her calloused palm (behold: with about ten words my Millie is already more alive than your shiny-armored one). While we're on topic, there are better ways to describe wardrobe than just pausing the action to tell me about it. Maybe the armor creaks as she scratches her ass, or something. No armor has ever shone as anything draped over anything else. As entails simultaneity of action, and being draped over a thing is hardly an action. It would sound and look better as 'Millie's armor shined. The white tunic draped over the polished breastplate', and yet it would still be a painfully boring way of describing a painfully boring attire.
Find a better entry point. Assure me that something interesting is going to happen - wayy better than someone kneeling, getting poked with a sword, and rising again as a Knight of Panthers.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 06:21:32 2022 No.19958048 >>19956459 That's the end of the first Hunger Games

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 06:26:12 2022 No.19958073 >>19957100 There's a guy who makes free covers. They're not great, but is style is recognizable throughout that site

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 06:27:52 2022 No.19958078 >>19957264 The subtle self put-down, the double ironic reach for a popular meme, speaks volumes

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 07:01:27 2022 No.19958170 File: 3.35 MB, 2606x1800, 20220220_035650.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I've lost control of my life

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 07:02:52 2022 No.19958175 >>19956293 >blah blah blah cuck

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 07:06:25 2022 No.19958190 File: 1.24 MB, 512x512, 1641584947899.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19958170 >from the darky that likes your puckerhole

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 07:45:46 2022 No.19958327 >>19958037 Ouch anon....well guess I'll put this story into the fire.

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 08:09:03 2022 No.19958414

I want to write a story about two furries falling in love and it turns out they’ve yiffed in costume before and are super compatible but don’t know this because they’re trying so hard to be “normal” to each other thst they hide that they’re furries and so struggle to properly connect with one another and then rape.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 08:13:46 2022 No.19958442 >>19956778 When/where can I read more?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 08:32:49 2022 No.19958501 >>19958414 Then write it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 08:49:58 2022 No.19958570 >>19955310 If you haven't already you should watch The Woodsman (2004).

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 09:29:34 2022 No.19958691 >>19958501 Dows it sound like a good story though are there too many tropes I’ve been told to be concerned about tropes

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 09:34:54 2022 No.19958709

I got an agent
I have a complicated ethnic last name. Is it weird to go by my first and middle name? It sounds like a convincing name. My agent thinks I could get a big deal because my book is commercial and I’m stressed about pen names

I’m worried my dad will find it disrespectful that I’m not going by my last name

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 09:41:13 2022 No.19958724

>>19958709
Well if you got an agent for a commercial book whose author has a complicated, ethnic last name... maybe put two and two together and ask yourself if those things would all happen that way if your name was Frank Delaney or Carl Schumacher or Hiram Weissman... no, scratch that last one.
>>19958691
Story doesn't matter. Plot doesn't matter. World building often has even negative value since everyone who puts those two words together seems to spontaneously lose their mind, thinking that literally anyone else cares. It's all about the way you write it. If that were the plot for Ulysses, Joyce still would have paraphrased the Odyssey and it would still be written fantastically and he'd still be the best English language author who ever took up the pen.

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 09:48:30 2022 No.19958749

this is some sketch of something that came up to me

it's two guys who travel around the world. The two do not know each other and they always meet after a certain time.

In a hotel, on a bus, on a plane etc. After a while they start wondering why they are following each other. Neither of them admits to follow one or the other while they continue to meet.

They go to the police but it doesn't come to anything. They release them; the two men leave and they continue to meet each other wherever they go.

after I hesitate how to take advantage of this situation and continue the story in a good way

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 09:50:19 2022 No.19958755

>>19958709
Indian? If it were me I'd come up with 2 or 3 pen names you're comfortable with as backups and just ask your agent his thoughts before sweating it. I'm not at that stage but have a monster of a last name as well (anglicized germanic name) that people always fuck up so I'd probably just go with the first two syllables.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 09:51:08 2022 No.19958759 >>19958749 but the main thing of the story is that this is PURELY RANDOM and there is no secret behind any of them. I just want to imagine how this will turn out

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 09:55:01 2022 No.19958771 >>19956778 Based and red pilled. Easily the best thing I've read on here. Do you post anywhere else or have anything finished? I found myself with that excited reading feeling where I have to force myself not to skip ahead because it's so good.

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 10:00:11 2022 No.19958779

>>19956778
Very passable prose. I get the feeling it's going to devolve into smut, but... that means it'll probably sell, if that's your goal. It's a little too workmanlike for my personal taste, and a little too "safe" stylistically. But I am extremely autistic about prose, and the definition of a vocal minority.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 10:17:40 2022 No.19958828 >>19957116 Pige is forgotten...

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 10:18:44 2022 No.19958834 I want to write a web novel about professional wrestling but the style of wrestling I want to write about would have to be set in japan and I don't want to be cringe

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 10:23:43 2022 No.19958850 >>19958834 Nothing cringe about sumo, it's hard work

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 10:49:53 2022 No.19958966 What's most important in a fantasy genre? The plot? Characters? World? Conflict?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 10:53:28 2022 No.19958977 >>19958966 1. Plot 2. World 3. Characters

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 11:01:26 2022 No.19959016

>>19958724
My middle name is ethnic so dw nobody will think I’m a white woman. My last name is just hard to pronounce and rare.
>>19958755
Yeah I’m creating a list now. I kind of wish I could go with my real full name because it’s me and I want myself reflected on my work but nobody will pronounce it right and butchering it is something I’ve heard my whole life

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 11:04:12 2022 No.19959031 >>19958977 You got it reversed.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 11:06:25 2022 No.19959041 >>19959016 Use your real name. If you want a future where people won't butcher your son's name then you have to pave the way.

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 11:11:05 2022 No.19959060

>>19959041
I’m a woman! srs

Unrelated question but anyone, am I wrong in thinking that it’s weird for people to debate whether plot or character driven novels are better? I feel like the plot exists to serve to take the character from beginning to end. So it’s intertwined.

I also dislike books where nothing happens at all so maybe I prefer plot but yeah. Plot means nothing if it isn’t helping the mc grow

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 11:17:17 2022 No.19959080 >>19959060 Plot can be something simple like a man getting a cheeseburger. So the entire story can be him deliberating when, where, how, why he's getting a cheeseburger. It's a shitty plot but can be a great way to develop character

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 11:31:29 2022 No.19959122 >>19958709 How do you get an agent in the first place?

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 11:36:02 2022 No.19959152

>>19959060
I'm not really interested in other people in the capacity by which they're usually related and I think plot has next to nothing to do with literature. Caring about plot or character in literature is like caring about subject matter in painting. The important thing is how well it's painted. I don't give a shit if you're painting an apple or an orange. It makes no difference to me as long as the art itself is heavily individual and steeped in the human being who created it. Every painting is actually about the artist him or herself. What's painted is just one tangent line on a curve.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 11:39:25 2022 No.19959164 >>19958709 joseph conrad did the same thing because he thought it would be more dignified than having to hear anglos try to say "korzeniowski"

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 11:39:34 2022 No.19959165 I would love to be able to write something experimental and interesting. Unfortunately, I either don't have the experience or the understanding of literature to do so.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 11:41:44 2022 No.19959175 >>19959165 Same. I just write it anyways. I don't ever plan to be even a hundredth in talent compared to some random author, but it's fun and hopefully someone out there liked my story

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 11:42:45 2022 No.19959177 >>19959165 Everytime I think this o see the advertisement for FGardner, then I realized it's perfectly okay to write crap

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 11:51:53 2022 No.19959222 >>19959165 Well. At least you're not this guy >>19958170.

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 12:11:10 2022 No.19959293

Everyone I know has helpfully reminded me that my first book I write is going to be trash. Knowing that, what am I supposed to do about it? Write an entire book, then put it directly in the garbage? I can't bring myself to abandon the project completely. I know it's my first legit, full-length novel, but I still believe it has potential. I think that I can polish it up to the point where it's not awful (maybe with the help of professional editing, if I can figure out where to find editors)

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 12:23:41 2022 No.19959328 >>19959293 That saying is pretty much complete horseshit.

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 12:25:58 2022 No.19959333

>>19959293
Hard disagree with the first reply. You first attempt at almost anything will be shit, writing included. An editor can help you unfuck that, but if you're writing a story that you're really attached to for your first book you might want to rethink it. You are almost certainly not one of the rare people who can write amazing books on their first try.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 12:26:54 2022 No.19959337 >>19959293 just keep editing and rewriting until it isn't shit

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 12:28:18 2022 No.19959339 >>19959293 Your first BOOK won't be shit unless you let it be. Your first DRAFT will be, but that can be fixed.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 12:30:26 2022 No.19959346 >>19959333 The first ATTEMPT, yes, even the first two dozen attempts, but that doesn't mean first BOOK. The way that saying is worded gets the wrong sentiment across.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 12:33:29 2022 No.19959356 >>19959339 >>19959346 Why are you WRITING like THIS?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 12:34:22 2022 No.19959359 >>19959356 Not the same poster, it's a genuine coincidence.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 12:35:00 2022 No.19959362 >>19959346 Even the first book will be shit if you don't get an editor. An author is a terrible judge of their own work most of the time, especially a new author.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 12:35:49 2022 No.19959367 >>19959362 How would you even get that book published without an editor? Absolute balderdash, laddie.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 12:39:02 2022 No.19959379 >>19959367 >Self-pub doesn't exist and isn't incredibly easy How are you posting from 1985?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 12:40:45 2022 No.19959384 >>19959379 Oh, oh yeah if you're self-publishing then obviously your work is never going to be any good since it's not making the cut with actual professional assessment.

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 12:43:14 2022 No.19959388

>>19959333
It's not my first ever writing project, just my first "legit" novel (as in, not a short story, or fulfilling a writing request from 4chan).

>>19959362
I know I need an editor, several editors in fact. At least a developmental editor, a copy editor, and a proofreader. And I'm not even going to look for an editor until I've at least got to the second or third draft. I'm in the process of trying to figure out where to find developmental editors, but I'm not in a rush since I'm just now finishing my first draft.

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 12:44:40 2022 No.19959391

>>19959384
>actual professional assessment
but isn't their job to sell books rather than evaluate their quality? isn't a publisher's job to pick what's going to bring them commercial success? sounds to me like you think making money equals good quality.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 12:45:08 2022 No.19959393 >>19959391 Sour grapes

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 12:45:42 2022 No.19959395 >>19959393 i also hate niggers

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 12:48:43 2022 No.19959404 >>19959395 I guess we have something in common.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 12:55:30 2022 No.19959445 >>19959384 And yet serializing one's work even without an editor is an infinitely more viable path to making money off of one's work than trying to break into tradpub.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 12:55:52 2022 No.19959449 >>19959445 i think he was replying to himself in sarcasm

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 12:57:35 2022 No.19959458 >>19959449 Hard to tell with how genuinely pretentious /wg/ gets at times.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 12:59:28 2022 No.19959465 >>19959458 don't worry. i still think you're a shitbrained meerkatting bugman who writes for economic reasons and resent the fact that i have to share a board with people as tirelessly mediocre as you. i just wanted to clear up a misunderstanding.

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 13:15:52 2022 No.19959544
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>>19957142
It's a play on the title and the fairytale it references.

>>19958442
>>19958771
Probably the best praise I could receive, thanks anons. Glad you enjoyed it. I posted what I had written down and I'll post the rest in one of these threads when I'm finished. I literally have not shared any of my stories outside of these threads (with the exception of pic related, an early draft of which I also posted on scribophile).

>>19958779
The goal isn't to sell (do people even buy short stories these days?) this is just for fun. And I'm surprised you got the sense that there would be smut (I can see that in the beginning but by the end of the excerpt I wanted the reader to feel this would be a different kind of story, a kind of anti-erotica if anything).

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 13:16:13 2022 No.19959545 >>19959465 If I wrote for economic reasons I wouldn't write weird gonzo shit with relatively slow pacing and I wouldn't spend all my patreon money on art comissions for my webnovel

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 13:23:48 2022 No.19959576 >>19959545 >weird gonzo shit you're just as fucking pretentious as we are, and you know it. you're just couching it in that really fucking slimy, gay little faux-humility that i can smell sloughing off you in big waves you fucker

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 13:26:33 2022 No.19959587

>>19959576
I'm not trying to feign humility, I am just (truthfully) saying I do not write for financial reasons. I can acknowledge that serializing your work is the most viable way to make money off it without specifically chasing income from my own serialized work.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 13:27:44 2022 No.19959595 >>19959587 not the point, you cad! you pinprick! you neonate!

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 13:44:11 2022 No.19959688

>>19958327
After I went to all that trouble?
No.
What you should do is rewrite the story according to the principles I outlined (and better ones that you can read about (and even better ones that you can discover by reading, writing, and editing critically). That will be draft nr 2, probably still pretty shit, but draft nr 3 will, hopefully, be worth reading. Make no mistake anon, what separates a good writer from a shitty one is the ability to go back and revise over and over again.
I want to come back to this thread and see that you went through your incest story with a critical eye, scraped all the exposition off, and layered a nice blend of action and description that introduces the plot, livens up the main characters, and promises an engrossing world ahead. And no purple prose shit, either.

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 14:17:11 2022 No.19959879

>>19959688
To play devil's advocate with this anon, I'm the other guy that replied to your post. I think sometimes (maybe most of the time) it's OK to shelve something which isn't working. I remember in the DFW interview, he mentions that he has vast swaths of material which he shelved midway through because they just weren't working. That's one approach to writing that many authors have used (often the most prolific, surprisingly). If you do that for a few months you'll also gain the confidence that comes with proving to yourself that you have lots of material to write about, that you can dump 90% and still have a lot of gas left in the tank.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 14:46:17 2022 No.19960053 In CURRENT YEAR can you write about unacceptable ideas and still get published?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 14:50:42 2022 No.19960068 >>19960053 What kind of unacceptable ideas?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 14:52:19 2022 No.19960074 >>19960053 There are a bunch of romance books written for woman where the male protagonist would be considered a rapist and abusive and yet they sell very well. Some unacceptable ideas are more acceptable than others.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 14:53:53 2022 No.19960079 >>19960068 Like "men can't be women" and "don't trust authority."

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 14:56:15 2022 No.19960088 >>19960079 the latter would absolutely work, don't know about the former, I have a feeling it would not be accepted by most publishers

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 14:58:28 2022 No.19960101 >>19960079 >>19960088 Could work for a minority of hardcore feminists if you wrote it as a woman seeing her friends losing their achievements and opportunities to "man".

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 15:04:40 2022 No.19960133 Okay. Crazy thought here. What if somebody streamed themself writing? There are plenty of art streams in twitch, but when I looked up writing it just recommended a bunch of titty streamers playing video games or just chatting.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 15:09:19 2022 No.19960160 >>19960133 >type one line >"oh haha thats so bad sorry guys" >retypes it >retypes it >retypes it >retypes it >"oh well looks like that was all the time i had, haha see you guys later." >kill self

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 15:15:20 2022 No.19960201

>>19960133
If you don't have big giant titties it won't work. Make sure you also write erotica if you're a cute girl, and occasionallyl strip to give the illusion what you're writing is "hot" and "heavy".

That said, if you are said cute girl, make sure you finish the story too

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 15:21:43 2022 No.19960232 >>19960201 Yeah. This was stupid of me. I was thinking just showing the word processor would be enough. But yeah, you need the cam to show cleavage and I'm not a pretty girl. Or even a girl. Hmm ... maybe a vtuber ... for typing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 15:21:47 2022 No.19960233 >>19960133 >>19960201 could work if you have a vtuber anime avatar and a soft feminine voice

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 15:28:20 2022 No.19960265 >>19960233 I'm gunna do this as a loli avatar and the huskiest male voice you've ever heard

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 15:30:03 2022 No.19960273 >>19960265 There is a guy who does that. He has a loli avatar and most of the time talks in a soft cute voice and then sometimes he talks in a very masculine voice.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 15:32:57 2022 No.19960293 >>19960265 Ah, the Tonkatsu Sinclair approach.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 15:58:59 2022 No.19960471 >>19960265 holy based

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 16:02:03 2022 No.19960494 Burgerpunk hit 4000 total views. Woo!

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 16:05:30 2022 No.19960517 >>19960494 Damn, you're telling me I'm getting mogged by fucking burgerpunk?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 16:06:25 2022 No.19960524 >>19960494 wait Royal Road actually have people reading and commenting!? Are you getting patreon dollars?

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 16:09:32 2022 No.19960544

>>19960524
RR has arguably one of the top active webnovel communities. Hard to math exactly but there's something like 200-300k users on the platform. In comparison, r/HFY and r/redditserials have 105k and 200k users respectively. There's bound to have eyes on your webnovel one form or another.

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 16:10:34 2022 No.19960552

I'm sure this has been asked countless times before, but can I become a better writer by transcribing the works of great authors? Just copying what they wrote in my own handwriting, page after page. Is it possible to reprogram my brain in this way, basically installing their style and vocabulary on my mind like a software update on a computer? All through sheer repetition?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 16:12:59 2022 No.19960564 >>19960544 same anon here, numbers on HFY and redditserials were the other way around

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 16:13:07 2022 No.19960565 >>19960552 No.

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 16:17:57 2022 No.19960596

>>19960517
Yes, you’re getting mogged by a manic writer who only puts anything out every few months and puts absolutely no effort into what he writes.
>>19960524
Fuck no. All the comments are from people on /wg/. My most recent round of writing has absolutely no comments. People gave feedback in these threads.

You want me to post the chapter breakdown numbers?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 16:20:41 2022 No.19960611 >>19960596 sure

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 16:24:44 2022 No.19960634

>>19960552
No. I can tell you from personal experience that brainless copying simply does not work. What I found actually works is:
1) memorizing passages or poems or lines of prose you enjoyed
2) carefully dissecting stories both after and while you are reading them.

And pick your form first, because novels and short stories are very different. The way you dissect also matters.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 16:26:08 2022 No.19960636 >>19960524 Yes, but only if you post regularly.

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 16:30:27 2022 No.19960663
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>>19960611
Here u go. The only thing I can extract from this is to 1. post regularly, and 2. use potty humor in every title by the strange case of "Don't Flush". You can also see how around 600 people have given the first chapter a shot and only half of those people liked it enough to go to chapter two. The shock of chapter 3 being completely different chops off another 1/3. Then it starts becoming flash fiction instead of a plot that goes somewhere and the numbers plummet again. And then, of course, the year gap made absolutely everyone except /wg/ lose all interest. Neat stuff.
>>19960636
Correct. See how views completely plummet after the gap in time of writing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 16:31:08 2022 No.19960666 Where do I get good ideas from every one I've pitched to you guys you've said was shit and also my writing is shit and should have been aborted I wish I was dead.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 16:34:47 2022 No.19960681 >>19960663 i see... you really do have to write a fantasy or litrpg for views then

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 16:39:20 2022 No.19960706 >>19960663 >dat dropoff ouch

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 16:40:14 2022 No.19960708 >>19960681 Not necessarily LitRPG, but some sort of fantasy or sci-fi is strongly advisable.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 16:45:15 2022 No.19960729 >>19960663 A roughly 50% dropoff between chapter 1 and 2 is pretty much universal.

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 16:45:21 2022 No.19960731

>keep reading about how books need to be 50k words, 300 pages, minimum of 50 chapters
>go to barnes and noble
>HG Wells Time Machine
>Under 10k words
>9 chapters
>one of the best selling and literary masterpieces in history
>John Steinbeck
>Of Mice and Men
>Under 30k words
>12 chapters
>studied and hailed as one of the greatest novels of all time
Do I trust "Experts" in the field or do I trust HG Wells and Steinbeck?

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 16:46:04 2022 No.19960734

>>19960681
>>19960706
>>19960708
I think it's more you just have to be consistent. Both in content and in posting time. The fact that the first two chapters SEEM like they are going to go somewhere but then it just devolves into whatever pops into my head probably makes the readers upset because it's outside of the norm. I highly doubt people on RR really like pomo shit that makes you remember you are reading. It doesn't let you get into any type of flow or immersion. The content is basically "Hey you are reading to escape but this is actually about the things you want to escape and no amount of irony will dull that pain of the modern human condition."

But also I am not consistent with the posting. Month gaps. Year gaps. etc. Shit, even if you post once a week, it reminds the reader they should go back to it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 16:46:55 2022 No.19960737 >Intend to write a short blurb for "Chapter 0" to give readers some advance information >It's now two and a half pages Fug

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 16:49:25 2022 No.19960746 >>19959688 :( Okay anon. I'll try to make the first chapter exciting.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 16:50:30 2022 No.19960749 >>19960729 Yeah, I've heard that, but I'm just going to say its because my first chapter sucks and now I can't rewrite it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 16:55:09 2022 No.19960771 >get one highly detailed critique basically calling me stupid/ignorant for writing what i wrote >lose all emotional/mental energy to write It was almost a year ago and I still haven't regained my strength

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 16:59:19 2022 No.19960788 >>19960771 Imagine you stopped talking to people after having one bad conversation. Imagine you stopped posting after getting owned in an argument about whether Aristotle thought Mario was gay on /lit/. Get back to writing anon.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 17:18:53 2022 No.19960893 >>19960666 based and truthpilled satan

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 17:29:44 2022 No.19960936

>>19959879
This is also true, of course. I suppose that what I mean is that anon shouldn't get discouraged over my mean critique. I only noticed your response after I posted mine, but we both touched on many of the same points, meaning that those are clear spots that need improvement. A vague 'dunno, man, wasn't working for me' would have been worse.
>>19960746
And I will read it, anon.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 17:37:03 2022 No.19960968 >>19960788 I deleted my Royal Road account because a discussion on the forums made me realize most of the people there are retarded.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 17:43:23 2022 No.19961006 >>19960968 >interacting with namefag forums >ever The account has more uses than that. I have one to more easily follow the couple of stories that I like.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 17:50:01 2022 No.19961033 File: 20 KB, 300x326, smug dog.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19960771 >not internally dehumanizing anyone who doesn't give you actual constructive feedback

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 17:54:34 2022 No.19961061

“Kachunk…kachunk…kachunk…”

As my consciousness slowly returned to me, I could hear that incessant noise in the background. As I open my eyes, I am greeted with an endless grey expanse spread out before me. Millions of powder white fall from the sky. I am lying on the ground, surrounded by snow on all sides. Trees surround the edge of my vision. They have lost their leaves and are blanketed in snow. The branches seem to reach out towards me with their arms.

“Kachunk…kachunk…kachunk…”

The oddly familiar noise continues in the background. It was the sound of the rail engine that I had heard only a month ago, when our family finally moved here. The hypnotic monotony of the sound from the past had come back into my world as my mind was on the edge of consciousness. The lines between awake and a dream blurred. The fur coat my father had bought me had kept me warm as I slept in the snow. I could feel a brisk chill on my face as my body radiated with heat. In that brisk winter afternoon as I lie on the snowy ground surrounded by white, I was tempted by the droning sounds to fall back asleep.

How does make you feel? Vibe, atmosphere, etc

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 17:55:45 2022 No.19961068 >>19961006 >The account has more uses than that. Oh I know. I was putting up a story there (I'm one of the WG authors in the op.) Still, fuck Royal Road and the countless "I don't believe in planning or revising or editing" faggots there.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 17:59:59 2022 No.19961090 >>19961068 Are the people who say that successful authors?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 18:02:48 2022 No.19961114 >>19961090 Don't know, but when the cocksucking mods deleted my message saying that someone was probably not good enough to get away with not revising, I gave up on RR.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 18:08:01 2022 No.19961139 >>19961061 >great prose undermined by horrifically boring subject matter This is a running theme with /wg/ anons for some reason

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 18:17:09 2022 No.19961175 File: 158 KB, 1024x1024, 1625277070111.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >trying to come up with a synopsis >it's actually harder than just writing the plot Fuk

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 18:18:53 2022 No.19961186 >>19961139 Well yeah, 80% of the fags who post here think they're going to be the next HDT or something. They've been conditioned to think that writing can't be good if it's exciting.

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 18:22:19 2022 No.19961205

>mfw have character that doesn't really add that much to the story and feels kind of like a third wheel.
>the story would probably be easier to write and better if i removed the character and spread their traits to other characters.
>even though i'm perfectly fine with changing big things in my novel and it's early enough that it'd be best to do it now i just can't bring myself to do it for some reason.

the main cast would just feel hollow with this extra piece... anybody have similar experiences? should i suck it up and cannibalize them and if not, any character-writing recommendations would be appreciated.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 18:23:19 2022 No.19961209 >>19961205 without* fuck

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 18:26:09 2022 No.19961219

>>19961186
>They've been conditioned to think that writing can't be good if it's exciting.
The fuck you talking about? Anything you read about writing these days stresses how you have to be CONSTANTLY AMPING UP THE TENSION and how any moments that highlight character interaction is DETRACTING FROM THE EXCITEMENT THIS IS ALL EXPOSITION WHY SHOULD I CARE SAVE THE FUCKING CAT!!!

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 18:27:23 2022 No.19961225 >>19961175 Dear lord, yes. I don't understand why a synopsis is so fucking hard.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 18:28:04 2022 No.19961232 >>19961219 You think these midwit faggots actually consider anything written after 1950 worth reading? If the book doesn't put someone to sleep, it's clearly just low brow shit for normalfag scum.

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 18:28:05 2022 No.19961233

>>19961139
I appreciate the compliment on my prose as I just started writing creatively, but it's just the first paragraph? The story is about a man who gets framed for murder. I don't think every single paragraph must be exciting. The purpose of this one is to establish an atmosphere and the setting.

"Pain. I just can’t remember. Every time I try to gather my thoughts, a dull aching pain hits a nerve in my mind. My mind returns nothing. The quietness of the background seems to have faded some time ago, instead there’s a rising chattering from downstairs. I need to figure out who this woman is. I carry my body over and crouch down to the sleeping mass. She’s also covered in this mess. My senses still haven’t pieced themselves together in their entirety. I shake this woman’s sleeping body and she does not respond, so I shake the woman lying on her side even harder and eventually turn her over.

Then it hits me. The sharp smell. It’s the scent of iron, mixed with the smell of hard liquor. The whole room reeks of it. Something’s not right. The voices from below get louder. I dip my fingers in the puddle I was lying in and put it to my mouth. This is blood. And judging from my lack of wounds, it’s not mine.

I quickly double back to the woman lying on her side. I touch the woman’s skin. It’s cold. She’s dead. It takes me a few seconds to process what’s going on. There’s a knife on the other side of the room. For a few seconds I’m stunned. Then it’s over, and my senses are wide awake now.

'Oh shit… oh shit!' I mumble. "

Is that exciting enough for you?

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 18:30:15 2022 No.19961246

The kitchen smelled of butter. Butter churned from the night before. Two plates adorned the table top. The red plate, displayed three large pancakes, while the blue plate, adorned a single large waffle. The smell of both delicacies mixed together forming an aroma of buttermilk, vanilla, and eggs. The steam from the two plates rose slowly, enticing even the most diet conscious person to break their vow and have a taste. The two plates were not alone.
"Waffles are much better than pancakes!" said the boy, swallowing his saliva.
"No way! Pancakes are much better than waffles!" replied the girl, handling a knife and fork in each of her hand.
"You're crazy! The minute the sweet drizzle of maple syrup fills each comb inside the waffle, the waffle's buttermilk flavor enhances to indescribable and unmatched taste," the boy said as he took the small jug of syrup and poured it over the blue plate holding his prized breakfast cake.
"Disgusting, waffles need so much syrup you may as well drink the syrup straight from the bottle! The soft fluffy texture of the pancake easily fills up my mouth and allows for easy swallowing unlike the ridged and tough grooves of the waffle. Just a drop of syrup is enough to bring out the flavor of the pancake. Butter does not even spread well on waffles. Each comb cuts and breaks apart the butter, leaving an uneven mess of a breakfast item. Pancakes on the other hand allow for a smooth spread that can be appreciated anywhere."
'What? If you're so confident about pancakes how about we have a bet?" cried out the boy.
"What's the bet?"
"I'm going to spread my cum onto your pancakes and you spread your cum onto my waffle, and we have a taste test! If you can still swallow your pancakes even after being drenched in cum then I will admit that pancakes are better. Deal?" challenged the boy.
"Your cum? That's disgusting! That's not even a real bet. Besides, you can't even make enough of it to cover the surface of the pancake!"
"Fine, then we'll have to ask all our friends to join in!"
"No! That will just ruin the taste! You can't have different cum on the pancake! Cum doesn't all taste the same! There's only one way to settle this then."
"How? I'm all ears."
The boy locked eyes with the girl steeling his nerves to the solution that she has in store for the two. Their cakes were cooling down from the commotion, as neither taken a single bite. The wind rattled the shutters as a tumbleweed rolled in the backyard. The clouds outside casted a shadow and shaded the two combatants ready to end the timeless conflict between pancakes and waffles.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 18:30:46 2022 No.19961247 >>19961219 I don't ge this. You can write a story with heavy focus on combat and still have combat be a small fraction of the total word count.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 18:34:39 2022 No.19961262 >>19961247 When they're not in combat you still need to be ratcheting up tension. Some kind of ticking clock. An imminent threat. Continued conflict one way or another. Without conflict it's dull. All conflict all the time.

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 18:38:50 2022 No.19961280

>>19961262
Honestly yeah
I had a month and a week of time between the end of my last arc and the time "The Big Bad" was prophecized to wake up, and in that time I had uh... Like four different arcs for the main group and a whole mini-arc about liberating an occupied city for one of the side characters.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 18:44:18 2022 No.19961314 >>19961280 That's actually shit writing, too. You weren't growing conflict or tension. Shit, you weren't even maintaining the plot. Each arc reset everything. What were you writing, some retarded manga like Bleach?

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 18:50:16 2022 No.19961337

>>19961314
I was, in fact, maintaining my plot, because all of those smaller arcs led up to dealing with the looming threat. Recovery from grievous wounds suffered in the previous arc, procuring arms and armor, training and better equipment for the MC and the main group, etc.

I'm not retarded, I know better than to write pointless filler. Or rather, my mind goblins DEMAND that I pay off on things even if it's not necessary.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 18:59:05 2022 No.19961379 >>19961246 And now I'm stuck and can't figure out how to conclude this conflict. So I'll just leave it at that.

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 19:05:51 2022 No.19961406

>>19961379
The only way this can end is in them fucking, I'm not even saying this in a coomer sense, it's just the only way this can resolve. It reads like a a really bad porn script, just take it all the way.
Also, girls can't cum, they can organism, but they can not cum.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 19:07:23 2022 No.19961413 >>19961406 >organism I'm not even a phone phag, I'm just retarded.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 19:07:54 2022 No.19961414 I'm thinking about writing a shit novel on the side. Complete coomer bait. Not gonna edit it. Will start with an outline, but will be barebones and is basically just a checklist of fetishese.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 19:17:41 2022 No.19961456 >>19961406 no way, if I learned anything from Marvel movies, we must subvert whoever consumed the form of entertainment.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 19:21:57 2022 No.19961466 >>19956268 He’s just pretentious and thinks some slice of life Joycean cringe will make him canonical.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 20:41:28 2022 No.19961854 Out of curiosity, how did you discover what kind of stories you wanted to write?

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 20:44:52 2022 No.19961873

I don't know wher eto set my story, I wanted France, Paris to be exact, it's sci fi ok, but it speaks to my plausibility sense, in that I don't know France and I don't know if it makes sense for the story
NOW, I WANT THE main character to be french, for reasons I can't explain here, so that leaves me with Canada, and it does make way more sense storywise for reason s I can't explain, but come on, Canadian? And depending, they might not even be french so.
I just think, I don't think X and Y would be like that in reality so I won't write it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 20:46:29 2022 No.19961880 >>19961873 If you want to write it, write it. Stop being a neurotic coward. Write whatever the fuck you want.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 21:06:15 2022 No.19961958 >>19961854 I start with a coomer idea, but then I flesh it out, remove the erotica and my story oddly gets better

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 21:06:59 2022 No.19961962 >>19961854 I spent a lot of time getting drunk and explaining how awful and nightmarish the mundanity of reality is. So I just wrote it in story form.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 21:08:42 2022 No.19961968 >>19961962 I used to get drunk and complain, i still do but I used to too

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 21:12:49 2022 No.19961979 File: 2.11 MB, 1276x3200, the nigger novel.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] None of you will ever live up to him.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 21:16:25 2022 No.19962000 >>19961979 This guy has legitimately good prose but tbf nigger is just such a mellifluous word its hard to go wrong.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 21:18:22 2022 No.19962007 >>19962000 Exactly. It's actually amazing that it still reads alright with such density of niggers.

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 21:19:51 2022 No.19962016

>>19956736
>He hasn't been here in a long time to shill it though.
I’m still lurking…just less often. Haven’t seen many new flashes posted in /wg/ lately (aside from the two), and my job has been hectic recently.

If anyone posts something, rest asured I’ll grab it up. Was hoping to have ~50 to turn into a fourth anthology, but at this pace an official /ffa/ thread is likely to be the fourth, and the collected in-betweens may be vol 5. Who knows?

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 21:29:19 2022 No.19962046

>>19961854
I wrote for catharsis at first, and slight imitation too. But I always framed my catharsis in view of the larger stories. But when I'm not doing that, I write stuff that makes me giggle. I just finished my fourth book (my first comedy) and I'm still working on my historical fiction series which is a catharsis piece. In terms of genre, I've always liked knights, so I land in medieval or pre-modern times a lot, with or without magic.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 21:37:09 2022 No.19962070 >>19962046 How did you know what that catharsis was?

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 21:51:22 2022 No.19962122

Elven guards lined the bridge with bows and quivers slung across their backs, the red and gold of their armor and equipment set ablaze by the sunlight. Gotta resisted Askar’s urging and lingered too long, admiring the uniformity of Yendell army’s gear. Such a thing was unheard of in the Land of Darkness; the orcs were too numerous and too disorderly for any Dread Lord to make the effort to outfit them in such a way. It showed Gotta how much the elves valued their forces as opposed to the wraiths, who recognized them as disposable rabble.
As a wish to have lived as an elf began to flit about his mind, Gotta was reminded they were just another enemy. “Do not tarry, orc,” one of the elves grumbled at him, only daring to look his way from the corner of her eyes, shadowed by her helmet. The muscles in Gotta’s arm’s twitched as he considered tearing that helmet from her head, so she’d have a clear view of the ground as he pitched her over. Perhaps she caught a glimpse of his desires, her lips pulling back in a scowl as she watched him get pulled away by Askar.
“Not here! We’re not watching from the bridge,” Askar commented to Gotta, renewing her grip on his wrist. “There! Barrow Hill,” she shouted above the bustle. Pointing ahead, she indicated the twisting hill past the end of the bridge. As they proceeded towards it, the makeup of the crowd shifted from elves of red and pink to orcs and goblins of green and blue milling on the mound of dirt which dipped forward like a bough laden with snow, their weight threatening to break it away. “Elves don’t come here,” Askar told Gotta heaving, breathless, a sheen of sweat on her brow. “Cursed, they say.”
“Cursed?” Gotta looked down as he trod the dusty ground under his thick, bare feet caked in filth. Sometimes, Dread Lords cursed wide swathes of land to stifle invasions, however it would cost them considerable power, and one only did it with confidence their army could continue without their aide. He was trained to watch for the rippling dirt, like the surface of water, which marked such land. However, if the Barrow were so cursed, this crowd would be writing in agony as their eyes exploded and flesh peeled from their bodies.
“Yes! From the last great incursion by a Dread Lord some, what, fifteen thousand years ago? Probably still some elves left in that mountain who fought in that battle.” Askar continued pulling Gotta along. As she stepped lively for someone of her age, springing between goblins sitting in circles and strolling orc couples, Gotta stumbled through as though still a newborn being taught to dodge blunted arrows. Although hesitant to yield, the crowd looked back and saw the elderly orc woman barreling towards them with the massive warrior in tow and allowed her to the curled tip of the hill.

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 21:54:34 2022 No.19962136

David leaned back in his chair, his face billowed with the smoke of a cigarillo.
"Can anyone here tell me why I want to be a writer?" he ventured forth with the question of all questions.
The others pricked up their ears, but no words came; they were just as dumbfounded.
"Can anyone tell me why I want to be a writer but never put the work in?"
The room remained as quiet as the din of midnight.
"Do I just want fame and fortune, social capital and the idea that I am special, as well as the aesthetic and the social acceptance?"
The windowpane glowed with pale moonlight, the same pallor as a banshee.
"It feels weird that plebeians even try to pick up the pen when they do not even compare to Homer, Dante, Shakespeare, Apollonius..."
The list was endless but he stopped there.
"Neither do they even compare to the greats of Sci Fi or Fantasy," he said and dusted some ash from his knitwear. "Such as Poul Anderson or Michael Moorcock, to name a few."
Someone got up to refill their drink but returned to their seat as the cool, steely eyes of David pierced them where they stood, as a bug collector pins an insect.
"It's truly weird," he continued, putting out his cigarillo in an ebony ashtray. "Bizarre, indeed, as delusional as Narcissus who thinks they can kiss their warped reflection in the nothingness of a pond."
There was a creak in their mahogany chair as David sat upright, pulling out another cigarillo from the packet on the divan next to him.
"Why do we love Echo?"
At this, the others stirred and one of them let out a cry: "Because we're lonely."
"Perhaps," David almost accepted this answer. "Yet I think it's something else... no talent is born, but the false sense of talent can be donned as a disguising robe. Remember the tale of Odysseus, guileful as he was, being protected by the Aegis of Athena when she dressed him up like an old man to infiltrate his kingdom, which was as foetid meat infested with those maggots, the suitors."

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 22:08:05 2022 No.19962193 >be a BIPOC >can't write about knights and other european cultural elements without being a racist >dont' know enough about eastern mythology >now i have nothing left to write

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 22:10:11 2022 No.19962201 >>19962193 drop your pretentions and write about whatever you want, retard >muh BIPOC fuck off jesus christ bet you're just an amerimutt, not even a proper gook or nigger

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 22:10:15 2022 No.19962202
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The beer entered his mouth occupying more of its space than he wanted to allow it to, flowing through the space between upper and bottom rows of teeth and between each of them. He was trying to use of a conscious control to limit its ever present acetous sourness, a caustic main motif that attempted to corrode tongue, cheek and gums, played in louder volume over a symphony of deeper bitter instrumentation on the back, that left an acerbic aftertaste like a black shadow that painted the tongue, as the last fumes of sourness traveled around it, evaporating, once swallowed down the now ardent entrance of the esophagus. This was a fancy craft beer placed in a chubby cylindrical bottle that claimed on its colorful label to be prepared with all sorts of characteristic processes that involved honey extracted from special bees and what not, but the taste of the honey were like sporadic colorful little notes that rarely managed to pass through the haze to make themselves present for not even half a second, like the notes of sugary perfumes that enter through your window in a chill night of a hot day, that your propped up nose tries to detect, but that are shy to entice your senses. On the glass, its color was of an almost lively orange amber, as if further beguiling the drinker to believe in its acidic lies of unattainable honey. A dame of huge hazel eyes leaning on one arm over your table and with a coy mischievous smile of adorable dimples that expects your reaction to her playful coquetries. Despite the concealed involuntary impulses of queasiness, mal de mer from a pocket sea of honey and hops that in swirls of the glass produced waves of golden tangerine, this was not the first beer, and thus, the mind found itself enveloped into a nice silky embrace of mellowness, the senses numbing to all discomfort of sharp edges the physical world produces on our soft bodies. It was easier to relax and accept those big hazel eyes for what they are, and the caustic kiss like this of a familiar lover.

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 22:12:31 2022 No.19962212

>>19962201
I am a chang. But I don't want to write about railroad workers, 1980's hong kong refugees, getting beat up by niggers, the model minority, or dealing with being under 5'10 and having a 3 inch penis. NO I DON'T WANT TO WRITE THAT STUFF! But due to the current political climate, I have no choice.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 22:15:33 2022 No.19962226 >>19962212 You're fucking MAZED nobody gives a shit what your race is if you're that terrified just adopt a pseudonym

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 22:19:34 2022 No.19962240 >>19962212 >>19962226 Not to mention, as far as I can recall, wokists consider chingchongs to be honorary whites

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 22:21:46 2022 No.19962251

>>19962212
Dude just write kung fu novels. Have all the culturally deep bullshit about cuisine and the size of your dick, but keep the bit of orientalism about mystic kung fu arts. People will be confused and call your book racist, but then people will say you wrote so eloquently about lowgon ma that there is no possible way you could be a racist. And then the next page your character beats up gangs selling drugs, but they are all black so you get to be double racist, all while being protected by the rest of the novel about the “experience” of being Asian. Imagine your character declaring riichi and then using the point stick to gouge out the eyes of the rival blaizan trans gang leader.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 22:23:46 2022 No.19962261 >>19962212 Nobody gives a shit about your fucking race if you don't go around telling people about it. Skip tradpub if you don't want to play tradpub games.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 22:47:06 2022 No.19962362 What's a good pen name to let readers know I'm transgendered?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 22:48:10 2022 No.19962368 >>19962362 First name: Taylor

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 22:50:06 2022 No.19962378
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>>19955093
Originally I was writing a short story about a guy who got fucked with by some force that made everyone perceive his actions as the opposite of how he meant them, it all culminating in him beating his girlfriend to death while she's enthusiastically cheering him on and telling him how much she loves him, but I fucked it up and lost all motivation to continue because the feeling of what I had written for the introduction wasn't the one I was going for and instead just felt like a failing relationship. I'll probably just have to start from scratch and with a lot less meandering; also, I would rather not have the relationship be failing as I feel it won't have the same umph for the character when his gf starts acting just as insane as everyone else around him.
Anyways here's a pastebin link for what I wrote, any criticism of the style or prose is appreciated: https://pastebin.com/ymiC5EeJ

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 22:50:48 2022 No.19962381 Its taken sizx dauys but I finally finsihed chapter 10 do any o yn wanyt to read the rightst draft>

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 23:04:30 2022 No.19962450 >>19962362 Axewound Dilatron

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 23:04:59 2022 No.19962455 >>19962378 okay Saya no Uta

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 23:05:48 2022 No.19962461 Isn’t it a little predictable to do setup AND payoff? Shouldn’t we aspire to be more original?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 23:40:09 2022 No.19962637 How do the rest of you start your stories? 1. Describing the setting. 2. Conversation. 3. A flashback 4. Action sequence 5. some other overused shit

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 23:41:19 2022 No.19962642 >>19962637 Epigraph because I'm a puhsood.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 23:47:22 2022 No.19962679 >>19962637 It’s best to open with a quote.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 23:49:46 2022 No.19962694 >>19962679 Actually, strike that, open with a joke. Or a definition! That’s always totes classy.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 23:51:13 2022 No.19962704 >>19962637 Current one? The epilogue of a hypothetical prologue story.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 23:55:52 2022 No.19962726 >>19962637 An otomotopiea

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 00:08:25 2022 No.19962813 >>19962726 On the off chance you're not joking, is there any way to use onomatopoeia without it sounding gay as fuck? I just find it inherently cringe but I feel like that's a me problem and it can be used correctly, I just don't know how

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 00:23:02 2022 No.19962890 >>19955093 here's my novel idea: australian blood meridian

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 00:24:13 2022 No.19962894 >>19962890 That was my idea.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 00:30:49 2022 No.19962924 >>19962813 Who know but when it's not action heavy I find it okay.. Like >Bzzz. It was finally spring. Jacob watched the bee fly by. But if it's some shit like >Clang! Swords smashed together. It sounds bad

Anonymous Mon Feb 21 01:16:39 2022 No.19963119
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>>19962637
The current one starts with deuteragonist jerking her dead mother's shoulder in vain as ber attacker closes in. specifically it starts with dialogue. it's a choice not very well received in wg to say the least

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 02:59:20 2022 No.19963480 How do you know if he’s the protagonist or the hero? Or could be a she. Actually my writing group complained about the rampant gender binary and straight cis pairings. But that’s a different problem.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 03:02:01 2022 No.19963486 File: 426 KB, 1208x874, bigpillow.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I can't stop adding /ll/ to my ideas. I don't know what's wrong with me. I'm neither a dyke or a onions bloated arse.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 03:09:40 2022 No.19963513 File: 239 KB, 1064x823, Backrooms wiki.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I've lurked these threads and i don't know why you keep trying when you can;t make something as good as the Death ostrich.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 03:09:47 2022 No.19963514 >>19963119 >The current one starts with deuteragonist jerking off to her dead mother radical

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 03:11:35 2022 No.19963520 >>19962637 i start by starting fuck you

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 03:11:48 2022 No.19963524 >>19960133 It's been done. But even pirateaba, who's one of the most famous litRPG writers out there, gets like 100 views per stream

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 03:13:02 2022 No.19963530 >>19960524 Yes, but only if you write litRPG

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 03:13:42 2022 No.19963533 >>19961139 >great prose Let's not get carried away now

Anonymous Mon Feb 21 03:20:00 2022 No.19963569

>>19960731
You trust your own story to tell you when it's done.
People tell you that not because that's the ideal length for a story but because publishers are looking for the next 50k word book with 1k word chapters and will not even glance at your 70 page manuscript.
However, this is the Age of Self-Publishing, and you can do whatever you like. A ghostwrote a 20k word book for a guy who wanted to sell it as part of a 20-book series.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 03:20:08 2022 No.19963570 >>19961139 >great prose You guys have such incredibly low standards. I spent so much time here trying to get people to take prose seriously, and this becomes the standard. You're all completely fucking hopeless. Read a fucking book.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 03:24:05 2022 No.19963591 >>19960771 You get depressed for a fucking year when some rando criticized your writing, and then lose your shit when your post slamming another writer was deleted? Haha, holy shit, is irony completely lost on you?

Anonymous Mon Feb 21 03:25:26 2022 No.19963599

>>19961061
Passable prose with some glaring faults. Too explicatory, for one. Trust your readers more, anon.
Vibe is better. It's cold, there's a train in the distance, fur coat is cozy.
The other anon is right, though. It's not exactly dragging me in, and the pauses in the action, the clarifications, and your own uncertainty about whether this should be written in the past or the future keep pushing me back.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 03:30:04 2022 No.19963623 >>19963480 Tell them it's ignorant for you to include what you don't know about and that you see it as undermining the movement. That will shut them up.

Anonymous Mon Feb 21 03:40:14 2022 No.19963676

>>19961233
It's more exciting, but the prose got worse. This starts about twenty seconds after the protagonist awakes, though. Why not start it right as he wakes, make the natural confusion mesh with his confusion at finding himself in a strange room?
You need more description. I don't know what room this is. In your first post I thought we were in the forest. You also keep referencing characters being covered in 'this' mess, when no mess has been mentioned. Are there two women or one? The phrase "I shake this woman’s sleeping body and she does not respond, so I shake the woman lying on her side even harder and eventually turn her over" makes it seem like there's two of them, but I just realized it's a single person being described extremely awkwardly.
Rid yourself of this "'Yes,' said the white-haired youth with the freckles and the strange light in his eyes" crap, just say 'the woman', or 'the brunette' if there's room for confusion.
'Oh shit' is terrible, cut it.

And I would argue that your first paragraph should establish vibe and feel and all those lovely things, but it should also draw me in. If that anon was bored then that's a sign you failed. This doesn't mean there needs to be a raging action scenes, guns blazing and dames being rescued, but there needs to be a sense of progression, of action unfolding towards an exciting (in context) objective.

Anonymous Mon Feb 21 03:56:58 2022 No.19963761

>>19961854
I haven't yet. I've wrote a handful of short stories where I've tried to use different styles. I'm also starting a web serialisation that has a main story but often takes a one off characters point of view where I can try out a different era/style whatever.

Anonymous Mon Feb 21 04:49:02 2022 No.19963918

Reminder if you haven’t made it before 20, you’re never gonna make it. Mary Shelley wrote Frankenstein when she was basically still a child, Ezra Pound was published as a small kid, and most literary authors were already published way before mid twenties.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 05:03:44 2022 No.19963941 >>19963918 Okay. I'll write regardless.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 05:03:45 2022 No.19963942 >>19963918 What a strange claim to make. The average age of a debut novelist is 32. I still have three years before I need to commit suicide.

Anonymous Mon Feb 21 05:06:46 2022 No.19963948

>>19961854
By reading. I love the feeling of reading something superlative. There's nothing like it when you stumble through a minefield of abstract imagery and nonsensical narrative to find, like a clearing in the woods, a little breath of genius where everything seems to align at a point just out of sight beyond the horizon, and you've just got to stop for a moment and admire that something so pure and so perfect could come out of something that's otherwise impenetrably incomprehensible. I love fiction that asks you to interact with language and meaning in a different way, where you have to check the mundanity of analysis and intellect at the door to enter wearing only your intuition and wonder. In a world where everything has a dollar value and where human beings are reduced to notches on a totem pole, I discovered that I wanted to write things that try to forget the discrete world we've built for ourselves in favor of unknowns and unknowables. I just wanted to reach for the artistic Sublime, and to hopefully bottle a little bit of what I feel when reading something great for other people to experience.

That's all it comes down to for me. I'll probably never succeed in my ambition, but I'm okay with that. I don't want to compromise on it, and even if I just write dreck for the rest of my life without ever fully capturing the essence of what I believe makes great literature, that’s alright. I'd be sad, sure, if I looked back on at my deathbed on a life spent chasing things that proved to be out of reach. But at least I'll have tried as best I can to create something I can be proud of, and that's all you can ever really ask of yourself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 05:36:45 2022 No.19964018 >>19963942 >The average age of a debut novelist is 32. Of what? Genre shit? LMAO!

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 05:39:36 2022 No.19964025 >>19964018 Nevermind, it's actually 36.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 05:47:29 2022 No.19964050 I self-published a novella and now I'm really regretting it. I didn't have an editor and I've started to hate the plot. I just wanted to write a nature-themed story. What should I do? I've already unpublished twice out of paranoia.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 06:03:06 2022 No.19964080 >>19964050 Just hang yourself. It's pretty easy

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 06:18:17 2022 No.19964115 >>19955093 What's the point of writing anything when there will be no majority White countries by 2080?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 06:19:01 2022 No.19964119 >>19963942 >I still have three years before I need to commit suicide. Well, it's like they say... there's no time like the present. Carpe diem!

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 06:19:05 2022 No.19964120 >>19964115 The writers of tomorrow will rule like a caste of Aryan gods over the lower castes of Pajeets and Mulattos.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 07:02:53 2022 No.19964236 >>19959122 I queried agents with a query letter and I found agents online. I feel old though. I wanted to be published before I graduated college lol now I’ll be ~26/27 by the time my YA book comes out if everything goes well.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 07:05:09 2022 No.19964239 Is exploring being a first generation American in a novel boring? Not being American enough and then not being asian/african/whatever enough for people “back home” is that trite? idk

Anonymous Mon Feb 21 07:17:57 2022 No.19964278

>>19964236
>I feel old though. I wanted to be published before I graduated college lol now I’ll be ~26/27 by the time my YA book comes out if everything goes well.
Why are you here? What discussion do you expect to come from this?
>>19964239
Yes, it's fucking incredibly trite, especially because none of those novels are written well. All subjects are boring, ultimately. Any two subjects are strictly equal in legitimacy and excitement. I feel like a broken record, but it is the WAY YOU WRITE IT which is important. Your story and experiences and whatever are significantly only insofar as they provide something to write about. It's only worth reading if it's written well.

Of course, legions of blue haired MFA grads will disagree, but that's neither here nor there.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 07:21:38 2022 No.19964290 >>19964278 I forgot to quote the post but either way, I don’t know. I usually get responses on whatever it is I post. It’s not that deep

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 07:36:24 2022 No.19964333 Editing somehow just got fun. I think if I read more and give myself breaks, I won't dread re-writing my lacking prose. It almost becomes a puzzle that I have to work out, all the pieces have to fall into place.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 07:43:25 2022 No.19964352 Is writing on a phone bad for prose? I wrote most of my story on my phone out of convenience and when I switched to PC I realized all my paragraphs are way smaller than I thought.

Anonymous Mon Feb 21 07:45:53 2022 No.19964362

>>19960663
I mentioned in another thread a while back…get better cover art/ads and open with a stronger chapter (‘Driving with Jerry’ is far from your best, but that’s what most will judge the rest on). The word ‘Burgerpunk’ is intriguing enough to get people to give it a try, if they don’t stick around that’s on your presentation. Your later writing is def deserving of a broader audience than you have.

Anonymous Mon Feb 21 07:50:51 2022 No.19964375

>>19961061
>As my consciousness slowly returned to me, I could hear that incessant noise in the background. As I open my eyes, I am greeted with an endless grey expanse spread out before me. Millions of powder white fall from the sky.
Delete all that
>he hypnotic monotony of the sound from the past had come back into my world as my mind was on the edge of consciousness.
That too

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 07:57:02 2022 No.19964395 >>19964239 You should write being a first generation American that never set foot in England in the 1740's. And how your disconnect with England drives revolution ideals

Anonymous Mon Feb 21 07:59:11 2022 No.19964400
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>23000 words into my first book
Woohoooo.
Last year I began writing this little story, inspired by the hobbit and the moomins. Barely no fantasy at all, just comfy characters and scenes, slow paced adventure, trying to get the prose as poethic as possible while keeping it funny and entertaining. It's been fun so far. I also a drawfag so whenever I get tired of writing I just design my characters, landscapes and whatever comes to mind

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 08:04:03 2022 No.19964414 >>19964400 >poethic Huh?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 08:05:52 2022 No.19964418 >>19964414 Lol sorry, english is not my mother language

Anonymous Mon Feb 21 08:07:47 2022 No.19964423

>everyone seems to be writing
>Have huge word counts
>Yet, no covers, pdfs of drafts
>Everyone is G.Martin and never finishes anything
The only book I've seen with at minimum a completed draft so far is son of suns, Gardner's books, the Emily Robot book, and that's it.

Why aren't stories finished?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 08:08:49 2022 No.19964426 >>19964423 I finished my novel. It sucked and nobody will publish it. Now I'm writing two more.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 08:08:58 2022 No.19964427 >>19964423 I write like 400 words a day. Give me a few years.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 08:15:38 2022 No.19964456 >>19964427 60k at 400 words is 150 days. What the fuck are you writing? An encyclopedia?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 08:16:28 2022 No.19964460 >>19964423 I've got two covers, and am in the last stretch my second book

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 08:18:08 2022 No.19964471 >>19964426 Call of the crocodile and Emily Robot sucked too. Didn't stop either author. If some 14 year old can make $200k on royal road writing drivel you may as well publish what you have and earn 15c

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 08:19:26 2022 No.19964477 >>19964471 No. Either I get published traditionally or I don't get published at all.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 08:24:20 2022 No.19964498 >>19964477 enjoy obscurity then you dumbshit perfectionist

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 08:26:24 2022 No.19964504 >>19964498 Yes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 08:28:34 2022 No.19964509 >>19964498 Why do self-pubber trash always try to tell people what to do? I doubt you even read an iota of the self-published schlock out there.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 08:30:10 2022 No.19964512 >>19964509 I've read crossover fanfics with the most retarded premises that were better written than some published classics

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 08:30:41 2022 No.19964514 >>19964456 Let's just say my favorite authors are Gaddis and Joyce.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 08:32:46 2022 No.19964523 >>19964512 Classics, outside of ancient works, aren’t even a grouping of literature; it’s what book stores use as a nebulous determiner to shill old books to retards. But I doubt you’ve read many older, traditionally published books anyway.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 08:33:49 2022 No.19964525 >>19964514 Give me the redpill on Gaddis

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 08:35:17 2022 No.19964531 >>19964523 I really don't see any reason to try flexing about how many old books I've read, not the least because "OLD GOOD NEW BAD" is a midwit take.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 08:36:14 2022 No.19964533 >>19964531 I didn’t even say that, I’m just saying you’re functionally illiterate and have no basis to make any judgement about literary quality.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 08:37:38 2022 No.19964537 >>19964426 NTA but why don’t you explore how commercial and hooky your idea is before actually writing? t. writer with a literary agent

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 08:38:33 2022 No.19964540 >>19964533 alright there bud why don't you blow it out your ass then if you want to be a faggot like that

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 08:39:00 2022 No.19964542 >>19964471 Hey! My Emily book was fun to write. I think only 1 anon bothered to give it a try then gave up though. But at least he tried and all I can do now is improve

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 08:40:04 2022 No.19964543 >>19964537 I can only write what I want to.

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Anonymous Mon Feb 21 08:44:17 2022 No.19964564

>>19964525
Innovative, dissonant experimentation examining still-contemporary issues with respect to art, humanity, and technology from a time before it had even fully kicked off. Fantastic prose and deep insight. Extremely difficult. Unheralded genius and father of a literary movement whose genesis is commonly misattributed to others.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 08:45:50 2022 No.19964568 >>19964564 >Extremely difficult Would you call him... MISTER Difficult? Eh? EH?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 08:47:01 2022 No.19964572 >>19964543 You’ll never get published if it doesn’t align with what agents and editors want which I’m pretty sure it doesn’t.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 08:49:53 2022 No.19964582 >>19964572 Then I won't.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 08:54:26 2022 No.19964598 >>19964582 Have fun writing :)

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 08:57:57 2022 No.19964607 >>19964598 I do.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 09:01:49 2022 No.19964623 >>19964542 I read it

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 09:06:03 2022 No.19964631 >>19962070 I knew that I had a lot of emotions that were making me feel depressed or angry and writing helped me channel things constructively. I knew it was cathartic because I'd go in feeling pent up and I'd leave feeling like I just came.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 09:16:29 2022 No.19964671 >>19964623 There's the sole anon. Hi!

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 09:48:41 2022 No.19964777 These threads are a waste of time you fucking idiots don’t even write.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 09:49:28 2022 No.19964779 >>19964777 I just finished a 2k word chapter today, anon!

Anonymous Mon Feb 21 10:01:49 2022 No.19964823

>>19964631
Writing is very general though. Surely, you had some sense of what it is to write that would offer catharsis? A reader who finds their catharsis in reading tons of fantasy would obviously look to writing fantasy for catharsis for example. So how did you know what your fantasy was?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 10:41:33 2022 No.19964927 >>19964777 I just scheduled my next webnovel release, will be live at 2pm Eat my asshole

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 11:08:27 2022 No.19965037 >>19964777 The posters here do write. It's just that the most vocal ones don't, because they spend all their time here, sperging about pointless shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 12:08:33 2022 No.19965323 /lit/rpg sounds like something this board would be into. How do I learn more about this genre?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 12:09:16 2022 No.19965330 Is it better for /wg/'s collective portfolio to be loads of anime, litRPGs and porn, or a maximum of four non-coomer books?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 12:09:51 2022 No.19965332 >>19965323 lol lmao

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 12:10:18 2022 No.19965336 >>19965330 Is there actually someone keeping track?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 12:17:17 2022 No.19965368 >>19965330 My army novel was one of those four certainly?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 12:22:20 2022 No.19965392 >>19965368 I'm going to reupload it with multiple rape scenes and there's nothing you can do about it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 12:29:17 2022 No.19965427 >>19965392 Reupload what? I never posted it here because of the language barrier.

Anonymous Mon Feb 21 12:36:16 2022 No.19965453

I really don't like a lot of modern storytelling sensibilities. I hate peoples' insistence on rushing to an inciting incident. I still feel like you need to make some effort to establish norm before you get to deviation from the norm. It gets all the more schizophrenic when you give them what they want, opening with a gunshot ringing out or something, and then they kvetch about "okay, sure, the dame got killed but you didn't give me any reason to care." Well shit, asshole, that was in the two chapters prior that you told me to axe because "you should get to the inciting incident faster."

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 21 13:21:16 2022 No.19965615 >>19965611 New thread.

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