What happened?

[Anonymous No.19938112]

How does anybody explain the shift in /lit/ over the last decade?

[Anonymous No.19938122]

Christianity became more fashionable on 4chan. Dostoevsky being shilled by Jordan Peterson might've also had an influence, whether people admit it or not. Moby Dick has always been a /lit/ meme, hence that /lit/ annotated edition.

[Anonymous No.19938147]

>>19938112
The result of internalizing the meme trilogy is being disturbed by the modern world to such a degree that one becomes a serious man and seeks refuge in refinement and morality, one clamours towards morality yes for ones own sake but just as much for the worlds

[Anonymous No.19938148]

>>19938112
The pomo trannies mostly roped.

[Anonymous No.19938152]

postmodern traditionalism

[Anonymous No.19938160]

>>19938112
People stopped pretending that they could read.

[Anonymous No.19938161]

in the 2000s you could still be some pomo pseud/new atheist, etc. because the consequences weren't as apparent

[Anonymous No.19938171]

>>19938112
You are mistaking a decrease in discussion of the meme trilogy as an increase in other things, we talk about MD and TBK far less than we used to as well. Bible because mods gave up on deleting religion threads but that seems to be on the way out as well, my filters are barely doing anything these days. So what happened is /lit/ stopped reading.

[Anonymous No.19938178]

>>19938122
>Christianity became more fashionable on 4cha
A LOUD minority of LARPers overthrew the conversation and drove what quality posters down/away
You see an uptick in christian themed everything, from fiction to philosophy. They’ve ruined the base “start with the Greeks” phase for a long dark ages of witch hunts, flagellation, sexual abstinence, and all that primitive shit.

Hopefully we turn away from the internet before 2030.

[Anonymous No.19938183]

>>19938148
Can you not bring up your fetish pornography

[Anonymous No.19938195]

Honestly anything book-related is good. The problem is like 1/3 of threads aren't even about books.

[Anonymous No.19938206]

>>19938122
>/lit/ annotated edition.
Where

[Anonymous No.19938224]

>>19938112
It should be fairly obvious why. The original meme trilogy was embedded in something we can call "hipster culture" for lack of a better term. The bookish litbro gravitated towards the modernist and postmodernist doorstopper as a sign of his intellect and the somewhat zany but le profound ethos of the white literary hipster who existed in the 90s and 00s. Zooms may not understand this but literally everyone read or pretended to read DFW in the 00s, he was a giant meme. Ulysses doesnt need any explanation, and Pynchon was also very fashionable in the 00s.

The 2010s completely destroyed the hipster subculture and replaced it with political extremism. Starting around 2012-2014 every single subculture was reorganized and reintegrated along "culture war" lines. The litbro either went woke and started reading commie and feminist and black nationalist stuff, or he retreated into classicism and religiously tinged reactionary ethos. 4chan is counter culture by literal structure so it went right. Hence Tbk, MB, the bible. Obviously the right were roundly pummeled during the 2010s so there is a "doomer" aspect lingering over it all.

Both sets of books are great anyway obviously.

[Anonymous No.19938229]

Successful psyops death ray.

[Anonymous No.19938240]

>>19938112
>2022
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XBUdjJPYTA

[Anonymous No.19938250]

>>19938206
https://www.lulu.com/en/us/shop/herman-melville-and-anonymous/moby-dick/paperback/product-7wgny7.html?page=1&pageSize=4

[Anonymous No.19938253]

>>19938112
Ulysses used to be my favorite book in my early 20s, but now the cuckoldry on it puts me off. It's not even so much the cuckoldry in itself as much as the whole message about embracing it and portraying the daily life of a mediocre man as something heroic. I guess at its time it seemed insightful, but nowadays that mediocracy is the norm, it's just off putting.

GR has some truly great sections, specially the Pökler chapters, but now I'm older it feels like Pynchon wastes too much time trying to come off as a mad genius. He's clever, so is Joyce, but I can't help feeling there's something shallow about all his virtuosity, which is a pity, because when he wants to go deep he absolutely nails it.

Infinite Jest still holds a special place in my heart, but writing-wise it was never that good.

Not that I'm really shitting on any of them though. I would rank all of them easily in my top 20 or 15. But I would rate the ones from the bottom a lot higher.

[Anonymous No.19938264]

>>19938112
After Post-postmodernism comes the revival of Christianity.

[Anonymous No.19938275]

Christianity in 2022 is the purest form of hipsterism and I say that as a good thing.

[Anonymous No.19938313]

>>19938250
The distinguished scholars featured in this tome may disagree about the inner workings of the novel, but they can all agree that a whale is surely a fish.
Top kek. Hate to be a poorfag, otherwise I would ship this

[Anonymous No.19938326]

>>19938229
>Anonymous trolls another board into /b/tardation
>Success!


>>19938275
Because you want civilizational collapse?

[Anonymous No.19938330]

>bro how is it possible that culture can change in over a decade

[Anonymous No.19938333]

>>19938178
The Bible is genuinely a second rate piece of literature. If there wasn't a literal cult attached to it, it would have faded into obscurity by now.

[Anonymous No.19938339]

>>19938333
The king James bible is a literal masterpiece. I can't say anything about the Hebrew or Greek originals in terms of style but their content is still 10/10

[Anonymous No.19938345]

>>19938333
Its so second rate that it inspired a whole cult that lasted 2 millenia

[Anonymous No.19938356]

>>19938345
Not exactly unprecedented.

[Anonymous No.19938370]

>>19938345
The Qur'an is in that league too and it's just as abysmal

[Anonymous No.19938376]

>>19938339
This nigga enjoys reading about ancient Jewish laws

[Anonymous No.19938379]

>>19938370
The Bible is so second rate that it inspired the formation of another 2 millenia long cult.

[Anonymous No.19938389]

>>19938376
Not much of the bible is dedicated to that. You're just exposing that you gave up during leviticus

[Anonymous No.19938414]

>>19938224
This happened in music too. When "To Pimp A Butterfly" came out it was a big deal since everyone knew from then on all the culturally major albums would be hip hop. Neutral Milk Hotel and Joanna Newsom feel so quaint now in this politically-charged era of ours where every work has to mean something and people are less interested in art for art's sake.

[Anonymous No.19938429]

>>19938414
Looking at p4ks best albums of the 00s and 10s confirms this hilariously. That outlet was bought by a conglomerate anyway though

[Anonymous No.19938434]

I'm thoroughly convinced that that fucking Christ-chan meme is responsible for the new wave of Christians on 4chan. For starters, it took the ideal of a pure virginal girl that's so prevalent in sitewide ronery threads and packaged it with religion, convincing impressionable /pol/acks that such an ideal is attainable by becoming Christian. Not to mention that atheism was worn out and "reddit" by that point, so the innate contrarianism of people there made them more eager to switch teams and become bible nuts.
And it all began right before the start of the 2016 election cycle. Once Summer 2015 happened and tourists started visiting /pol/ in droves to witness the primaries and debate Middle East politics, the Christ-chan missionaries had a fucking field day instilling their autistic interpretation of Christianity under the guise of an archetype that foreshadowed the tradwife craze of later years. Now you have zoomers larping as Orthodox Christians solely because they like the aesthetic and think it will get them trad pussy.

[Anonymous No.19938472]

>>19938434
I was born and raised in a secular environment. Traditional morals were eschewed. My mom is a giant whore and my dad a womanizer. They are divorced of course. My brothers grew up without any moral foundation and turned to drugs. My dormmate at university was a tranny. The content of the classes I was taking was abhorrent. I had something of an existential crisis from seeing so much evil and depravity. I turned to Christianity for a sense of purity and a justification for my reflexive conservatism. This is before I started using 4chan. No meme pushed me into it. I was raised to think religion was stupid. It was only by expectining secular morality that I was compelled to religion.

[Anonymous No.19938498]

>>19938345
People are retarded and will form cults around popular stories, this isn't new. Have you seen the MCU? It's a collage of the most by-the-numbers heroic tales and yet they're raking in a gajillion dollars and millions of rabid fans worldwide.

[Anonymous No.19938518]

>>19938472
Good for you I guess, but you really couldn't find a way to just live like a wholesome human being without religion?

[Anonymous No.19938526]

>>19938518
Nobody can

[Anonymous No.19938551]

>>19938518
No

[Anonymous No.19938571]

>>19938498
Yeah okay when people start getting eaten by lions to demonstrate their faith in Iron Man let me know

[Anonymous No.19938643]

>>19938112
larping bible thumpers

[Anonymous No.19938671]

>>19938526
Jordan Peterson can

[Anonymous No.19938677]

>>19938472
anon, it looks like you are a rich man`s me

[Anonymous No.19938684]

>>19938472
You should become Zoroastrian.

[Anonymous No.19938693]

>>19938112
Bible isn't literature

[Anonymous No.19938697]

>>19938671
lmao

[Anonymous No.19938705]

>>19938253
you got filtered hard by joyce. bloom is a christ-type. ulysses is a deeply religious book.

[Anonymous No.19938706]

>>19938518
>wholesome
please go back to r****t

[Anonymous No.19938721]

this is hard for zoomies to understand. in fact this post likely won't get any serious responses.

/lit/ used to be a place with serious discussion of literature. it was common to have in-depth threads not only on joyce, but on hesse, tolstoy, kierkegaard - name any serious philosopher or author and there's a chance they were discussed. there were also some extremely educated posters, not just meme trips like butters and quinten but quite a few university professors, true men-of-the-world traveler types, etc.

the book three books are not bad in themselves. however they reflect a reactionary shift that happened to 4chan.
1. every board became /r9k/
2. normies started using the internet en masse (there was a time when if you used the phrase "lmao" on 4chan you'd have 5+ replies on every board calling you out)
what do these two trends reflect? the increasingly isolated nature of the modern youth, both sexually/socially, and technologically. the return to christianity is simply another "revival", of which there is a rich american and british tradition during times of economic or cultural crisis. the "meme trilogy" was from a time when the board was more exclusive and took itself less seriously. do you notice how there's no funny posts anymore? there's no levity. call it a symptom of the times but pynchon and dfw (and even joyce) are very much not "serious enough" (ironically) for today's shallow reactionary zoomzooms on both the right and left. combine this with a general lowering of iq due to the normie infestation post-2016 and waahlaah. you have nu-/lit/, where the average poster has the emotional and literal intelligence of a female preteen.

[Anonymous No.19938748]

>>19938148
Only one of those books is postmodern

[Anonymous No.19938762]

>>19938112
>2030

[Anonymous No.19938772]

>>19938721
Thanks for this post. Today is my 18th birthday, and as a rite of passage, I made a Tinder and I am now making my first post on 4chan. I appreciate your insight into the cultural shifts here. Do you know of anywhere one can go nowadays to have serious discussions of literature (or anything)?

[Anonymous No.19938797]

>>19938112
Shitposting, of course.

[Anonymous No.19938808]

>>19938772
>Today is my 18th birthday, and as a rite of passage, I made a Tinder and I am now making my first post on 4chan

[Anonymous No.19938829]

>>19938772
Nice bait, son.

[Anonymous No.19938847]

>>19938224
I can see this. There’s also the rise and fall of the new atheist movement. I’m young so I wasn’t here before but honestly it seems like it changed for the better.

[Anonymous No.19938849]

>>19938112
Well yeah. In 2003 most people didn't realize how cringy atheist preachers like Christopher Dawkins or Carl Sagan were. Go back and listen to them talk about religion now and you'll cringe. We were naive.

[Anonymous No.19938857]

>>19938112
We grew up

[Anonymous No.19938866]

>>19938345
>whole cult that lasted 2 millenia
>what is the Old Testament

[Anonymous No.19938871]

>>19938112
Everyone is just assuming it’s because everyone is a fake now. Are you guys sure everyone didnt read from the start? Especially with atheist movement and such

[Anonymous No.19938876]

>>19938721
>/lit/ used to be a place with serious discussion of literature

[Anonymous No.19938887]

>>19938148
tpbp

[Anonymous No.19938897]

>>19938887
So, they jerked off.
??

[Anonymous No.19938941]

>>19938112
>english standard version catholic edition

[Anonymous No.19938977]

>>19938705
Did Jesus ever whack off at the beach?

[Anonymous No.19938979]

>>19938977
If he did, do you think you'd ever hear about it?

[Anonymous No.19938981]

>>19938721
>/lit/ used to be a place with serious discussion of literature. it was common to have in-depth threads not only on joyce, but on hesse, tolstoy, kierkegaard - name any serious philosopher or author and there's a chance they were discussed.
Honestly, the unfortunate obsession with shallow classics is why I never could visit /lit/ but once in a blue moon. It was usually just some pretentious bullshit threads about old assholes, no offense intended.
>there were also some extremely educated posters, not just meme trips like butters and quinten but quite a few university professors, true men-of-the-world traveler types, etc.
Maybe that's true, but Sturgeon's law applies.

[Anonymous No.19938987]

>>19938112
Here's hoping /lit/ gets out from under the current trend and makes its way around (or back to, can't say I've paid attention) to the Tao te ching or Chuang Tzu or whatever, Elmore Leonard or Cormac McCarthy, not Faulkner, fuck Faulkner, and fuck if I know what else is worth anything

[Anonymous No.19939028]

>>19938987
/lit/ getting into eastern religion would be fun
no guenon shit please

[Anonymous No.19939078]

>>19938876
Yes.

[Anonymous No.19939092]

>>19938112
the increase in janny action has lead to a harsh decline in shitposts, though some shitposts are pointless, a lot of shitposts work off established /lit/ memes. With less shitposts theres less staying power therefore things have shifted.

[Anonymous No.19939105]

>>19938987
I am ok with Taoism. Fuck Confucianism.

[Anonymous No.19939135]

>>19938977
Lol, look up The Secret Gospel of Mark. Btw filtered again.

[Anonymous No.19939140]

/lits/ cringey athiest post-modern phase ended for the beter

[Anonymous No.19939175]

>>19938518
You sound like my woke secular libtard mom questioning my religiosity.
>oh no anon cults are bad! You don't need religion to be a good human
Every person who says this is a degenerate who seethes at religion merely because it condemns their selfish ugly behavior. Living for a greater purpose with discipline and piety goes against their hedonism, living for short-term pleasure with as little guilt and consequences as possible.

[Anonymous No.19939277]

>>19938748
two of them, actually

[Anonymous No.19939316]

>>19938979
Yes. Feeding the Five Thousand XXX Parody starring Ron Jeremy and four thousand nine hundred and ninety nine lucky ladies hungry for love.

[Anonymous No.19939370]

>>19938112
The quality of discussion fell alot here. It was never good but these days you can't even find a half-knowledgeable person to shitpost with.

4chan declined alot with gamergate, and it became a battleground place where it became fashionable to call people trannies and generally act like an obnoxious faggot. Pushed out most of the people who had interest in actual literature instead of retard /pol/ shit

[Anonymous No.19939378]

>>19939370
>Pushed out most of the people who had interest in actual literature instead of retard /pol/ shit
You guys keep repeating this but it makes no sense. It's not like everyone is just going to pack up and go to reddit or something when the site gets worse

[Anonymous No.19939387]

>>19938148
Basically posts like this killed 4chan. It's not even because people like trannies or whatever, it just changed from the spam being funny shit into this predictable and boring type of shitpost

Every time I see the word tranny in a thread I'm reminded that nobody here has the capacity for originality or insight and it makes me less likely to come back. It's just boring

[Anonymous No.19939396]

>>19939378
There's dozens of ways to amuse myself with stupid shit online. When I come to 4chan it's not amusing these days. The shitposting is the same shit from five years ago, or it's recycled from other websites. It's stale. This website used to be a source of content.

[Anonymous No.19939411]

>>19939387
2016 really ruined this site

[Anonymous No.19939427]

why are over half of these posts even implying that any of you guys have read a single book on that image

[Anonymous No.19939483]

>>19939396
i'm curious to know what sites you would consider more amusing?

[Anonymous No.19939493]

>>19938112
looks like someone grew out of their 20yo pseud phase

[Anonymous No.19939495]

>>19939483
Goodreads
Reddit

[Anonymous No.19939522]

>>19939175
ok, larper

[Anonymous No.19939595]

>>19939495
>Goodreads
>Reddit
Not even close. The only sites that give this place a run for its money are hackernews when it comes to /g/ material and stackexchange/quora

[Anonymous No.19939607]

>>19939495

[Anonymous No.19939610]

>>19938112
this board stopped being about literature

[Anonymous No.19939629]

>>19939595
you just have to find the smaller subreddits/threads for the gold posts. either way, it beats talking with posturing teenagers on 4chan.

[Anonymous No.19939664]

>>19939595
Nah Reddit is unironically better than 4ch*n these days.

[Anonymous No.19939724]

>>19938148
>POMO is for tranners
>Science that disagrees with my feel feel politics (e.g., global warming) actually has no solid claim to knowledge because "muh elites," and all claims to objective fact are forever corrupted by Jews, elite power dynamics, etc.
>The same issue is even more true for any type of epistemological claims about news events. Italian satalites stole the 2020 election, or the CCP, or Soros, or a huge network of tens of thousands of volunteer poll operatives. One set of stories is not necissarily privileged and we just judge claims to knowledge based on how elites might top the scales of intersubjectivity. Likewise, COVID could be a hoax organized by an alliance of North Korea, the CCP, Iran, the EU, the Arab League, Israel, India, etc. to hurt the economy to in turn hurt Trump. This isn't be an incoherent view based on the obvious preferences of these disparate actors not lining up. Any incoherene is due to knowledge being necissarily malleable to elite influence.

Honestly, while some criticisms of BAP being bad, budget Nietzsche denuded of the nausea that makes Nietzsche, Nietzsche, (i.e. his view of Hamlet as being unable to act because meaningless action is humiliating, sickening) are spot on, I still think BAP > Rand as a popular philosophy for conservatism. The parts focusing on society supporting great minds in their struggle for finding truth get at something essential. However, this is extremely hard to synch with modern conservatism, which has imbibed a century of neoliberalism and Rand. Everything is economic. Philosophy majors work at Burger King, this is fact. Pure mathematics, if it begins to undermine the certainty of the mathematics used in engineering programs, is basically "lib shit." There has been a weird hostility to discoveries in mathematics that undermine convention, new geometries, chaos theory, fractional dimensions, Mandelbrot's discovery of the role of the observer in dimensionality, etc. This is lib shit, until it has economic import, but then it is blocked from having economic import by not being taken up by applied sciences because it undermines certainty and simplicity. This, chaos fighting an uphill battle despite being so useful for things like weather prediction.

From philosophy, to physics as information, to chaos, the pure math, to QFT, there is a conservative opposition to this sort of pure research that has a distinctly post modern flavor to it, "what is it doing for the real world of economic goods?"

Basically, conservatism is as post modern as shitlibism. It has imbibed all its ideas. Arguments against research findings that rely on appeals to blanket corruption, "grant funding," elites, etc. is a critical theory argument. Tucker is outrage porn as much as anything can be.

POMO has taken over the right. If you stare long into the abyss...

[Anonymous No.19939739]

>>19938112
All few remaining reasonable and intelligent people left after gamergate

[Anonymous No.19939753]

>The answer /lit/ is too afraid to mention:

/lit/ became less american.

[Anonymous No.19939756]

>>19938148
False anon I’m right here

[Anonymous No.19939759]

>>19939629
You have to go back

[Anonymous No.19939760]

Modernism, materialism, postmodernism, nihilism, etc. etc. all lead to the christian story

[Anonymous No.19939774]

>>19939760
can you explain to me how Moby Dick is a christian story

[Anonymous No.19939805]

>>19938275
Why are the only young christians ugly nerds then

[Anonymous No.19939814]

>>19939805
>he doesn't know

[Anonymous No.19939817]

>>19939814
Who doesn't know what?

[Anonymous No.19939845]

>>19939724
BTW, nowhere is the POMO nature of the modern right more apparent than in Evolafags and Gueanons or hardcore Protestant fundies (who tend to hate each other).

I eventually got memed into reading Guenon. The problems that stood out to me in The Multiple States of Being are generally those long recognized in Sankara and those Hindu thinkers he influenced. If anything, Guenon's attempts to frame Sankara in Western metaphysical terms and as a critique of Western metaphysics makes the problems more explicit. If the unmanifested is, then it is still part of the ontology, and calling it nothingness doesn't resolve the issue of impossibilities like the square triangle and the barren mother's child. Nor does claiming that what is manifested in Maya obtains as a sort of real illusion, versus an unmanifested possibility being of a different status, resolve any of the issues identified related to modality.

It is, to some degree a unique way of looking at modality, although it shares a lot of similarities with other systems, which we should expect because logic doesn't vary by culture, and ideas constantly traveled between the occident and orient through history.

Problems of falling into the excluded middle for ontological entities that are, but are as illusion and truly only subsist in the monism of Brahman, remain. Sankara himself recognized this. The Maya solution is still vulnerable to being an ad hoc solution, and one simply relying on the authority of preexisting local religious conviction (the same is true in Western philosophy all the time).

But these critiques don't work for Gueanons! This is misunderstanding, brainletism! The work must be understood within the context of Hinduism, and is this sacrosanct, immune to analysis. Analyzing it is just demonstrating that you are not a patrician of the soul. It is not metaphysics (despite claiming to be so explicitly), and can't be treated as such, because it comes from a different tradition.

This is, of course, the special "indigenous ways of knowing," appeal of critical theory that you normally see on the far left. What is left without analysis though, is dogma. In this case, the dogma is foreign enough to have a strong patina of mystical authority.

It is offered as a rebuttal to modern metaphysics, but modern metaphysics cannot critique it.

Along the same lines, the resurgent Christianity is one that sets itself up against scientism. Scientism is inherit in ideas like the Big Bang, itself the creation of a Catholic Priest and physicist ironically enough.

[Anonymous No.19939902]

>>19938333
Checked.
The financial success is seperate from literary merit. It's why we don't talk about 50 Shades of Grey.

[Anonymous No.19939904]

>>19939387
>>19939411
/lit/ was already dead by the end of 2014 because of posts like that except before trannies forced themselves everywhere it was newfags calling everything reddit to fit in. Zoomers have 0 attention span and think that 4chan means making bad posts, so the website it never going to recover.

[Anonymous No.19939962]

>>19938472
>me me me , me a snowflake

[Anonymous No.19939965]

>>19938122
Can I get a final answer on whether Gulag Arch. was bullshit or not? If its lies that I find it a waste of time to read, even if it aligns with my political views.

[Anonymous No.19939985]

>>19939902
50 shades is still better and less problematic than the bible

[Anonymous No.19940113]

>>19939965
60/40.
Solzhenitsyn was always walking that thin line in his writings between "shitting on reds" and "not really shitting on reds" because he didn't want a final visit from black Volga gang. He also responsible for popularizing the word "GULAG" which IRL was an abbreviation for "Main administration of (work) camps".
"Cancer Ward" is a way better book.

[Anonymous No.19940150]

>>19938693
It is literary fiction of the highest order. If you think otherwise you must be a retarded am*rican pr*testant.

[Anonymous No.19940155]

>>19940150
>It is literary fiction of the highest order.
read more books

[Anonymous No.19940156]

>>19939774
>suddenly, one out of three is the holy bible and another out of three is the brothers karamazov
>DUDE CHRISTIANITY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT

[Anonymous No.19940159]

>>19938849
OP is baiting, Im sure. Atheism was always cringe.

[Anonymous No.19940168]

>>19940156
you're implying that people here even read those books in the first place. it has nothing to do with 'christianity'

[Anonymous No.19940242]

>>19938671
>Juden Peterstein
>took drugs to manage his "depression"
>said Catholicism is the perfection of reason but then ...
>seriously believes introducing psychadelics into Catholicism will revive it
>his daughter whoring herself out on instagram
>has only one child
>Hollyjew agents
>admits that he "can't" answer what he thinks about 200 Years Together by his favorite author, Solzhenitsyn
>emasculated voice
>uses too many words to describe anything (unmanly)

Should I go on?

[Anonymous No.19940251]

>>19938697
This is from "Gravity's Rainbow." The fact that I'm the only one who every points that out is proof that /lit/ doesn't fucking read anymore. Jordan Peterson didn't write that. You guys can have "I am le smart" threads with fuckhuge replied, but you can't even correct this glaring mistake?

[Anonymous No.19940252]

>>19940251
uh huh

[Anonymous No.19940258]

>>19938112
The 2000s were still uncertain.
In the wake of pomo deconstructing everything, a few people are currently trying to bring back dead religions, not realizing they are specifically doing so within a postmodernist framework, and feeding pomo itself, thus making 2020 the age of larp. A lot of underage posters from 2016 also doesn't help. Basically, christianity has become the new fedora.

[Anonymous No.19940263]

>>19938472
>>19939175
Cool but what does that have to do with you larping as a christian?

[Anonymous No.19940269]

>>19939427
I've read all three recently, it only took me a year.

[Anonymous No.19940271]

>>19938987
>>19939028
Eastern religion on /lit/ is, ironically, cyclical. It'll never truly become popular but it'll never go away either.

[Anonymous No.19940284]

>reading this thread
Is it me or is /lit/ actually getting less larpy lately? Most posts ITT are calling out the tradcath/orthozoomer trend and these threads now get shitposted into oblivion on this board to the extent that a bible general now exists to avoid too much shitposting. I feel like the 2015-2021 era of 4chan as a whole being "christian" as a reaction against american identity politics is nearing its end and we are currently seeing some kind of zeitgeistal shift towards something new, although I'm not sure what.

[Anonymous No.19940285]

>>19938987
>McCarthy over Faulkner

[Anonymous No.19940289]

>>19940252
Maybe Poe's Law is in effect here, but it's that sarcasm? Because the other Anon is absolutely right. If you read two pages of Gravity's Rainbow you would know who Slothrop is (a fucking pedo).

[Anonymous No.19940290]

>>19940284
Trump lost

[Anonymous No.19940297]

>>19940284
We're seeing a shift towards esoteric-Faucism-Caesarism.

[Anonymous No.19940300]

>>19940271
>>19938987
>>19939028

>>19935397

[Anonymous No.19940302]

>>19940284
What the fuck is "ogremaxxing"

[Anonymous No.19940307]

>>19940289
I don't know about that

[Anonymous No.19940353]

>>19940302
same as nurglemaxxing

[Anonymous No.19940377]

>>19940307
Type into the search bar: "who is the main character of Gravity's Rainbow."

Does your mom also cut up your steak for you? You're on a computer connected to the Internet. Use it.

[Anonymous No.19940399]

>>19940377
there are a lot of pages without slothrop in it

[Anonymous No.19940442]

>>19939962
>t. Tranny

[Anonymous No.19940526]

>>19940284
I stopped participating in scholastic philosophy threads so they lost their drive

[Anonymous No.19940579]

>>19939814
>young Xtian
>posts Jewess poetesscellectual

[Anonymous No.19940603]

>>19938112
Everybody lost their sense of humor.
>3 books full of jokes
>3 books primarily about human suffering
Fits within the broader trend of people taking 4chan seriously, as /pol/ shit consumes more and more of other boards.

[Anonymous No.19940622]

>>19938472
>bad things happened to me
>the people who did the bad things are secular
>therefore i will do good things if i stop being secular
fuckin pea brain take

[Anonymous No.19940639]

>>19938313
Im pretty tempted to see if its good? Anyone have a pdf?

[Anonymous No.19940653]

>>19939610
Be the change you want to see

[Anonymous No.19940712]

>>19940653
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XBUdjJPYTA

[Anonymous No.19940767]

>>19940579
she has converted you fuck

[Anonymous No.19940772]

/lit/ population went from goon-adjacent alt lit burger suburb hipsters to jaded /pol/-adjacent post-political spiritual quietists

[Anonymous No.19940783]

>>19940284
far left and far right chads wwa

/bizlit/ masterrace

[Anonymous No.19940789]

>>19940772
Bingo. This is it. But I don’t think anybody posting here now even remembers SA.

[Anonymous No.19940792]

>>19940772
Explains the severe drop in quality posts and the complete death of the boards sense of humor.
But what the fuck does goon even mean

[Anonymous No.19940799]

>>19940792
“Goons” are people who post(ed) on Something Awful, 4chan’s slightly more erudite and less weebish parent site.

[Anonymous No.19940803]

>>19940799
There was a lot of love for Pynchon and DFW there, and they still even have lengthy and detailed literature threads to this day.

[Anonymous No.19940810]

>>19940622
You mean like 90 percent of atheists

[Anonymous No.19940817]

>>19938472
Counted them all:
>I. My. My. My. My. I. I. I. My. I. Me. I. I.
arrogant and retarded

[Anonymous No.19940818]

>>19938518
No, but then again, religion won't help you either. You're playing into the tradlarp meme of "without god we'd all be evil" by going along with the idea that religious people aren't among the most evil fuckers you will ever meet.

[Anonymous No.19940823]

>>19938526
Wrong

[Anonymous No.19940841]

>>19940290
So who won? inb4 "the good guys"

[Anonymous No.19940842]

>>19938772
99% sure it's bait, but just in case: stop browsing 4chan, uninstall tinder and start with the greeks

[Anonymous No.19940864]

>>19939495

[Anonymous No.19940873]

>>19939753
Good.

[Anonymous No.19940892]

>>19940772
%100 this

[Anonymous No.19940895]

>>19940841
you look like this

[Anonymous No.19940923]

>>19940817
Whoa a personal account contains I and My. Stop the press

[Anonymous No.19940927]

>>19940772
>>19940792
I'd bet $100 neither of you were posting here in 2012

[Anonymous No.19941122]

Do you think the mods every have conversations about how to fix /lit/, or do they just not give a shit anymore

[Anonymous No.19941132]

>>19941122
>do you think literal trannies from /a/ care about anything other than locking /qa/ for the crime of having fun?
are you actually retarded

[Anonymous No.19941156]

Corona

an unfathomable and unnamble eldritch and kafkaesk influence on Spirit and mind and the breaking of the Ens.

[Anonymous No.19941160]

>>19940772
progressive dreamfunk -tier post that would have been banner worthy in a better time

[Anonymous No.19941167]

>>19940712
Why are you replying with this

[Anonymous No.19941176]

>>19941160
>wow, just wow, incredibly powerful
>this probably would have been a banner or something
You haven't even been here long enough to be called an election tourist you transparent gay retard

[Anonymous No.19941192]

>>19941122
why fix what isn't broke

[Anonymous No.19941243]

>>19940927
I’ve been on the site since 2009 and the board since the Tao Lin shilling days in 2012 and that post is spot-on. Not sure what you’re so upset about.

[Anonymous No.19941256]

>>19941176
Oh, I see, you’re just a seething polcel larping as an oldfag. Nobody but someone who was here in 2011 would write “progressive dreamfunk” but you didn’t know that because you were only 9 years old then.

[Anonymous No.19941286]

>>19941243
>2009
you will always be a newfag
>>19941256
In 2011 I was maining /x/ and selling LSD

[Anonymous No.19941449]

>>19940810
>some of the people i don’t like use the same fallacy
>so it’s not a fallacy when i do it

[Anonymous No.19941643]

>>19938224
>>19938414
it's interesting to read this as someone born in 2000.
i grew up outside the anglosphere but as soon as i got an internet connection i started spending a lot of time on the english-speaking internet (with a hope of one day moving to an english-speaking country). my online life was comletely detached from my real life and age group, so at 14 i was basically swimming in this millennial metaverse of travel blogs and radiohead hipsterdom thinking that beyond the bubble of my non-english-speaking rural upbringing, that's what life was like. then, 4 years ago i moved to the uk for uni and found that among my peers, the cultural norms and trends were waay different from how i'd imagined them to be. the internet was used in a completely different way from the one i'd become so used to and the hip stuff that i was reading about online belonged much more to my seminar tutors' generation than to mine.

on the fringes of culture, "political extremism" is probably quite a bit more common among people my age than those a decade older, but in the mainstream the death/aging of the hipster subculture (along with most others) is even more noticeable. i think an important thing to note here is also how differently people now interact with the internet. i was quite susprised when i moved here to see that for most, the online world was snapchat and discord as opposed to interest-specific forums and blogs. and the kids younger than me, with tiktok and all that, are experiencing the internet in an even more vastly different way

[Anonymous No.19941663]

>2014 era /lit/ threads about Infinite Jest will never return

[Anonymous No.19941683]

>>19939277
I'm assuming you mean GR and IJ. I don't really agree with people characterizing IJ as postmodern. It eschews the cynicism and apathy of pomo. It's a work that is full of sincerity and emotion. Sure it uses some aspects of pomo (irony, meta-narratives, non-linearity etc.) but when you really look at the text for what it is you will see that it is distinctly NOT postmodern (and maybe even a critique of postmodernism itself).

[Anonymous No.19941688]

>>19938434
You seriously overestimate the influence of a poorly drawn girl.

[Anonymous No.19941708]

>>19939078
Been here since 2010, the quality has barely changed. Less tripfags and more /pol/fags. Garbage in garbage out.

[Anonymous No.19941725]

>>19941663
i miss the old Gaddis threads desu. there was a short period of time where JR was really popular.

[Anonymous No.19941945]

>>19938389
This nigga says you gotta get past all the ancient Jewish laws before it gets good

[Anonymous No.19942074]

>>19941725
JR is my favorite book

[Anonymous No.19942090]

>>19938112
What happened to the 2010's?

[Anonymous No.19942112]

>>19941683
>It eschews the cynicism and apathy of pomo.
I can feel grad school poisoning this sentence.

[Anonymous No.19942119]

>>19938224
Good analysis faggot

[Anonymous No.19942128]

>>19941945
Yes. Repent.

[Anonymous No.19942140]

>>19942090
The what?

[Anonymous No.19942150]

>>19938112
I've read all of these and I can tell you the Bible changed my life whereas IJ was just irritating at worst and interesting at best.Gravity's Rainbow is hilariously bad and Ulysses is just big vocab avant garde bullshit too.

[Anonymous No.19942161]

>>19938161
This

[Anonymous No.19942171]

>>19938224
No. You're assigning everything to cultural political and saying spiritual beliefs are causal. Repent.

[Anonymous No.19942181]

>>19938264
ding ding

[Anonymous No.19942194]

>>19940263
It's not a larp. Repent.

[Anonymous No.19942210]

>>19940923
This
You're an absolute idiot >>19940817

[Anonymous No.19942225]

>>19940622
What screen reader are using? It looks like it has a bug and can't comprehend basic English.

[Anonymous No.19942230]

>>19942194
lol

[Anonymous No.19942240]

>>19942230
Woe to you who laugh now, because you will be mourning and weeping.

[Anonymous No.19942244]

>>19938161
>christianity is making a comeback as online surveillance increases
it all makes sense now

[Anonymous No.19942257]

>>19942240
lol

[Anonymous No.19942271]

>>19942257
It's weird - there really is a psychological archetype that those who were molested have towards religion - I had it too. Repent.

[Anonymous No.19942272]

>Woe to you who laugh now, because you will be mourning and weeping.

[Anonymous No.19942275]

>>19938112
See other thread.

I fucking love charts. Should I point out the joke? Don't want 20-something epiphany. Suck Melville's giant whale Dick instead of developing taste. Genius suck Moby Dick become Ahab. Glad to be back it has been 10 years I miss the Don.

[Anonymous No.19942310]

>>19942271
I never got diddled but I'm sorry it fucked you up to the point that you had to resort to taking up christlarping.
And all jokes aside I really do feel bad for you if you got molested, that's fucked. But telling people to repent on the internet isn't going to help.

[Anonymous No.19942346]

>>19940284
For me, it's 1 and 3

[Anonymous No.19942381]

>>19940792
You're the sort of faggot who thinks milquetoast reddit cleverness is a sense of humor, aren't you?
We still get quality posts, but they don't cater to your sensibilities.

[Anonymous No.19942394]

>>19941160
>>19941256
>praises wojak-tier buzzword salad
>le board is le dead!!!
stfu doomerboomer no shot
you dont play

[Anonymous No.19942437]

>>19940639
>>19938313

Here ya

https://b-ok.xyz/book/16823261/3ced60?id=16823261&secret=3ced60

Its funny how some of the annotations are earnest like someone pointing out ‘trowsers’ is used because they were a relatively new garment and there was no one accepted spelling at the time and other being typical 4chan stuff like someone calling a right-whale a faggot.

[Anonymous No.19942517]

>>19938112

Things become meme and people who base their personalities on being unique/intellectually superior avoid them to not appear cliched. Many classics fall in and out of favour through this cycle.

The only thing worse than going right to fit in with the crowd is going left just to spite it.

[Anonymous No.19942587]

>>19940113
This, Cancer Ward is never mentioned and its his best novel.

[Anonymous No.19942625]

Some anons have gotten close, but the truth is /lit/ and 4chan used to be millennial white males. That was it. There are no girls on the internet and all that. Most were in college and those were the books you pretended to read. Now everyone knows about this place, and it shows.

>>19940772
I miss 00s SA so much. Posters like Brendle got me into Joyce. RIP and goondolences Lowtax and may Moot rise from the ashes one day.

[Anonymous No.19942638]

>>19942625
lowtax was a faggot and used to come into a /pol/ IRC I OPerd in ~2013 and throw an unbelievable bitchfit over getting repeatedly joke kicked for whining

[Anonymous No.19942652]

>>19942128
Fix your karma!
Return to Dhamma!
Strive towards Nirvana!
Allahu akbar!
It's fun to just say things!

[Anonymous No.19942657]

Being a pseud is all about pretending, and tradlarping is the pinnacle of pretending

[Anonymous No.19942677]

>>19942381
well done proving him right with your spergout

[Anonymous No.19942687]

>>19942677
>heh you proved my fellow discord sister who doesn't even know what "goon" means right by calling them stupid
why don't you retards just fuck off holy shit

[Anonymous No.19942700]

>>19942638
Lowtax and SA in general became garbage when he had kids with his Asian mail order bride. I always found it ironic how SJWs complained about colonizing being bad when they colonized and destroyed internet culture.

[Anonymous No.19942806]

>>19939664
>>19939629
what's subs are actually better. most are filled with same pseuds except heavily moderated ones

[Anonymous No.19943042]

>>19942112
nice try, I have an EE undergrad but no grad school

[Anonymous No.19943214]

>>19938705
This. Joyce was lowkey redpilled, but hided it in layers of cuckoldry so only the select few could get his message.

[Anonymous No.19943218]

>>19938472
cringe bro, don't you know how inductive reasoning works?

[Anonymous No.19943321]

>>19939387
>seeing the word tranny makes people like this leave
I knew it worked lol

[Anonymous No.19943341]

>>19943321
driving off obvious trannies is based but you're the kind of poster who calls everything reddit hoping you'll finally identify what is reddit (which is you) and fit in (you won't)

[Anonymous No.19943346]

>>19939904
100% accurate. These are the last death rattles of a website on the decline- like when the brain releases massive amounts of endorphins before death that make you reflect on your life. Nothing new or original, just the mechanical repetition of a corpse on strings.
But hey, I'm here with all of you, so who's the real retard here.

[Anonymous No.19943356]

>>19943341
There are literally people praising reddit in this very thread

[Anonymous No.19943363]

>>19943356
Yeah, this website is dead and people like me who've been here for more than half our lives are unironically seething and coping and can't leave. The locking of /qa/ was the final proof that 4chan will never be fun again

[Anonymous No.19943377]

>>19943363
You can just post off topic threads on /tv/ it's fine

[Anonymous No.19943391]

>>19943377
>implying
/tv/ ain't what it was two years ago, the magic is gone. /a/ won, jannies won, rulefags won. She's fuckin dead Jim

[Anonymous No.19943584]

>>19942517
Ooga ooga haha it is about left right ha ha

Stupid fucking bitch.

[Anonymous No.19943604]

>>19943584
pretty sure that guy was literally just talking about directions as a metaphor, not false dichotomy political terms

[Anonymous No.19943631]

Words like "jew," "female," "faggot," "socialist," etc become valid critics with nothing backing them up beyond more such loaded terms.

tl:dr /lit/ got stupid

[Anonymous No.19943635]

>>19938389
Did we read the same bible? Old testament is so much "here's how you build a temple" and laws and listing out inventories of Jewish war spoils.

Yawn.

[Anonymous No.19943642]

>>19943363
4chan will never be fun just because you can't tell trans people to kill themselves?

[Anonymous No.19943645]

>>19943635

[Anonymous No.19943647]

>>19943635
yeah bro you've totally read it which is why nearly every western name is taken from passages and stories from the old testament, because it's just laws about how to not die from trichinosis. The most influential, referenced and juxtaposed literary work every produced is le shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-TaP0N7IMI

[Anonymous No.19943654]

>>19943642
>NOOOOOOOOOOO THERE WERE SOMETIMES THREADS I DIDN'T LIKE ON A BOARD I DIDN'T HAVE TO USE
kill yourself tranny

[Anonymous No.19943666]

>>19943654
Qa was axed for raiding wasnt it

[Anonymous No.19943668]

>>19940284
>tfw I don't fit in any of those roads

[Anonymous No.19943677]

>>19943654
Maybe back when I was an edgy teenager I would have found this kind of stuff funny.

[Anonymous No.19943684]

>>19943668
be glad you aren't a living meme, and instead a human being.

[Anonymous No.19943688]

>>19943666
Well Satan, that's the supposed narrative. In actuality everyone who used /qa/ woke up one day and found out the board had been locked after months of seething /a/ faggots crying that it existed. The totally organic 2 hour raid on /lgbt/ by the literal mods means we gotta shut it down though! No more blue /b/, can't have people having fun!

[Anonymous No.19943697]

>>19943677
maybe back when you were an edgy teenager you should have developed a personality and found someone to start a family with instead of becoming some retard who accepts whatever twitter tells you to and pretends trannies aren't pedophile incel freaks who nobody accepted even 5 years ago and are still roundly mocked by the majority of society

[Anonymous No.19943698]

Influx and mutation of /pol/ and Twitter posters beginning around 2016; the previous generation of /lit/ posters either adapted or left. Tradcath/ortho/Melvilleanons are basically the child and compromise of those two.

[Anonymous No.19943702]

>>19943698
Don't lump Melville with /pol/ and Twitter. He doesn't deserve this.

[Anonymous No.19943703]

>>19943688
So it was a false flag? You guys did shitpost on /tv/ though you have to admit that. Not that I care, the soijaks dont bother me

[Anonymous No.19943710]

A good number of us late millennials and early zoomers are growing up. The generations before us are growing old leaving the site for something more worthwhile. With all of that a generational shift in taste.

[Anonymous No.19943715]

>>19943702
You're right: /lit/s current favorite novels, like Moby-Dick and Blood Meridian, come more from Reddit

[Anonymous No.19943716]

>>19943647
The Homeric epics may be more influential in that regard.

[Anonymous No.19943718]

>>19943703
>I'm new as fuck
You do realize that cigar pepe and "fuck niggers fuck kikes fuck trannies" etc pepe was created on /tv/ like 4 years ago? You have no idea what /tv/ used to be like even a handful of years ago lmao. /qa/ was the refuge for actual oldfag /b/ type anons after the /tv/ jannies started ruining everything. God I hate you little faggots

[Anonymous No.19943723]

>>19943715
Reddit hates Moby Dick though

[Anonymous No.19943728]

>>19943697
anon, i agree with you, but you only make yourself look like a fool by lumping all this assumptions together and flinging them at this person.

[Anonymous No.19943732]

>>19943723
Because the redditors who like it came here

[Anonymous No.19943738]

>>19943728
>anon I agree with you
>except I don't okay just cut this normie-tier "leftie" drone some slack okay
>p-p-lease stop pointing out troons are literally pedophile incels.....
fuck off retard

[Anonymous No.19943744]

>>19943718
I've been using /tv/ since about 2014. Its wildest period I can remember was actually somewhat recent in late 2018 to early 2019, every single night for a couple months the jannies just disappeared from about 12am to 4am EST.

I was not around for the early 10s when apparently the c*nnyposters were rampant

[Anonymous No.19943762]

>>19943738
who are you quoting?
anon, I'm only agreeing with you here, so why are you so angry? calm down a bit, not everyone is your enemy.

[Anonymous No.19943764]

I've been on /lit/ since about 2012 and I thought for the longest time that it has stayed pretty constantly shit, rarely better or worse. I now think that the board has really deteriorated in the past couple years and it's never been this bad.

[Anonymous No.19943777]

>>19943762
You have actually yet to agree with me, you just want me to stop calling that guy a loser who will believe anything he's told, in this case that trannies aren't literal incel pedophiles (which they are)

[Anonymous No.19943781]

>>19943777
Maybe take a break from 4chan buddy

[Anonymous No.19943790]

>>19943764
There was an enormous increase in posts in march 2020 because of corona lockdowns. This was sustained until now I think but I camt seem to get the stats on 4stats anymore

[Anonymous No.19943791]

>>19943744
Said wild period and subsequently /qa/ were the closest 4chan has ever been to old /b/ since like 2009. You wouldn't get it I guess. /qa/ was a blue /b/ and it's fucking gone, makes me so mad. The fact that /b/ is nothing but garbage and porn and the mods refuse to do anything about it and axed an actual "random" board just shows how this website is nowadays. God I wish I could leave this fucking desiccated corpse of a site

[Anonymous No.19943799]

>>19943781
>NOOOOOOOOOO I WAS MANIPULATING YOU
maybe go back buddy

[Anonymous No.19943825]

>>19943777
I'll admit I didn't look further back in the conversation, my bad. You were justified in what you said, anon.

[Anonymous No.19943826]

>>19943791
I didnt say I didnt like the shitposting I thought it was funny. /qa/ I didnt browse though. I've looked at the 'arty but they literally do nothing but post soijaks, it's kind of formulaic

[Anonymous No.19943829]

>>19943732
I've been banned from everywhere else. Like a leper.

[Anonymous No.19943859]

>>19943826
basedjacking was only part of /qa/, maybe the majority and the boards signature, but it wasn't restricted solely to basedjaks, also basedjaks were getting very advanced and combining with other board memes. It's a crime /qa/ was locked

[Anonymous No.19943860]

>>19939845
>The problems that stood out to me in The Multiple States of Being are generally those long recognized in Sankara
There are no problems in Shankara!
> If the unmanifested is, then it is still part of the ontology, and calling it nothingness doesn't resolve the issue of impossibilities like the square triangle and the barren mother's child.
The unmanifested possibilities isn't called nothingness in Advaita, the unmanifested possibilities and the manifested ones are both a part of maya and belong to the same ontological category which is maya, and not nothingness. Nirguna Brahman is beyond the distinction of manifestation and unmanifested, which are only valid within maya.
>Nor does claiming that what is manifested in Maya obtains as a sort of real illusion, versus an unmanifested possibility being of a different status, resolve any of the issues identified related to modality.
No part of maya is more real in relation to any other part of maya, the manifested maya and unmanifested maya are both false. Only Brahman is real. Manifested =/= real.
>Problems of falling into the excluded middle for ontological entities that are, but are as illusion and truly only subsist in the monism of Brahman, remain.
Nothing in Advaita violates the excluded the law of the excluded middle, Positing falsity as between absolute reality and absolute unreality/non-existence isn't violating the excluded middle because absolute reality and absolute unreality are non-exhaustive and allow for the 3rd status in-between them that is the relatively real.
>Sankara himself recognized this.
Lol, nope. He explains in his works how Advaita doesn't violate any logical principles. You haven't even read him have you? I have
>But these critiques don't work for Gueanons! This is misunderstanding, brainletism! The work must be understood within the context of Hinduism, and is this sacrosanct, immune to analysis.
No, but you actually have to correctly describe and identify what you are trying criticize in order for your attempted criticism to be valid and not based on a misunderstanding.

[Anonymous No.19943873]

>>19938112
post-postmodernism is the culprit.

[Anonymous No.19943899]

It's all so tiresome

[Anonymous No.19943902]

>>19943715
Nope

[Anonymous No.19943907]

>>19943710

Yup. Most posters who visit 4chan as a whole are 25-30+
/thread

[Anonymous No.19943909]

>>19943859
PACK IT IN BOYS WE'VE FOUND OURSELVES A NEW MAIN ATTRACTION

[Anonymous No.19943931]

>>19943907
18-25 can visit this website too. You can now have a drink with your little brother at your family get together. I wouldn't feel so embarassed by this anon. There were people who were 18-19 who grew up fast in the Vietnam War.

[Anonymous No.19943957]

>>19943584
The post isn't talking about politics, you fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.19943973]

>>19943363
/qa/ was one of the worst boards on this entire site.

[Anonymous No.19944034]

Every time someone posts a thread like this, we forget that it isn't just the culture of the board that has changed but the way internet politics have changed the course of how we engage in activities whether it be music, books, television on boards and social media in general.
For the most part, I don't think it can't be helped. Individuals can't change Discourse simply cuz of board culture and on the other hand communities like that of discord can't help but spread an ideologue to those unaware. Ideologue is put at a for front and we know who exactly who wants to push it.

[Anonymous No.19944052]

>>19943829
So you're saying you came from reddit?

[Anonymous No.19944055]

>>19944034
I think many people touched in this in the thread. It does make me lol when I see someone bemoaning the growth of /pol/ as if that happened in a vacuum rather than very obviously being a reaction to the progressive politics of the 2010s.

[Anonymous No.19944092]

>>19944055
'progressive politics', a big deal on the internet hate machine prior to /pol/ bursting like a bloated corpse

[Anonymous No.19944107]

>>19944092
Are you really denying the rise of online idpol in the early 10s and the role it played in birthing the alt right as a reaction to "sjw" types

[Anonymous No.19944120]

>>19938224
This is the most reasonable thing I've ever read on this website

[Anonymous No.19944127]

>>19944107
i can't speak for all of 4chan but it sure as shit wasn't a thing on the boards i frequented, yet /pol/ still barged in (and, in the case of /lit/, never left)

[yiode No.19944146]

>>19938229
That pic

[Anonymous No.19944174]

>>19944127
It may not have been on 4chan but the users of 4chan undoubtedly encountered it elsewhere on the internet as well as in university and workplaces increasingly

[Anonymous No.19944177]

>>19938224
Best post on 4chan rn

[Anonymous No.19944189]

>>19944174
I can honestly say that I never have.

[Anonymous No.19944207]

>>19939078
No it wasn’t, just check the archives fag.

[Anonymous No.19944218]

>>19944174
and they, like the idpol boogeymen they claim to be battling, sprayed their manure everywhere, with little to no regard for what was there before

[Anonymous No.19944220]

>>19938414
OK Ari

[Anonymous No.19944234]

I don't trust anything in this thread because most of you retards don't even remember Dave's World.

[Anonymous No.19944240]

>>19938112
>filtered by a fucking whale

[Anonymous No.19944246]

>>19940284
Fourth road is me.

[Anonymous No.19944270]

>>19944207
general conversation around books was far more even-tempered and open-minded ten years ago, that's just a fact. even the shitposting was high quality (and would today be decried as "reddit"). i still use warosu more than the actual live site for recs. but if you think a dozen "books for being a 26 y.o. virgin??" and "[philosopher] cannot be refuted!!!!!!" threads a day is good literature posting, then i can see your point of view

[Anonymous No.19944295]

What book do I read though? I’ve already read small Pynchon, popular Dostoii and nothing else.

[Anonymous No.19944317]

>>19944177
Or they're just good

[Anonymous No.19944375]

>>19938112
2000s hipster culture kinda disintegrated into mainstream woke shit. The 4chan side of that hipster culture then got into Christianity, Traditionalism, and dissident right stuff as a new form of rebellion. /mu/ is another example of how things changed, that early 2010s hipster Fantano culture isn't there as much anymore, and there's more woke poptimist shit.

[Anonymous No.19944531]

>>19944375
Wasnt that hipster shit always leftist? I remember it being fond of Obama and Occupy. I remember things like College Humor always having a soft sjw character.

[Anonymous No.19944541]

>>19943604
>>19943957
This actually depicts why the previous meme books on love and introspection have been replaced by religion and a literal dick joke. Subtlety is no longer meaningful to a generation that grew up on the internet.

The joke always has been that the charts were sets of books that would indicate intellectual posturing, baiting kids into thinking they were smart by reading them.

By reading the Dick book, you become Ahab, the book becomes your white whale. In search of something meaningful via a bullshit chart, you spend hours on end, only to die as you sink into the ocean too with the book itself. One day you wake up realizing you were baited by people much smarter than yourself into confirming that you are a Dick and always have been. A Moby Dick. It is beautiful and what Melville intended.

Unfortunately, this whole epiphany is lost in the first place on people that are either so meta that their attempts at humor are empty or too stupid to think for themselves.

[Anonymous No.19944554]

>>19943973
>heh yeah this board that I chose to use and get mad over should be deleted because I didn't like it, what now chuds
well, I think you should leave

[Anonymous No.19944574]

>>19944127
nigga fuck off. /lit/ had constant commie VS nazi threads literally a decade ago. You're not fooling anyone. Sulk back to leftypol and regroup about how to make tranny pedophiles more appealing to normalfags you dishonest slimey failure

[Anonymous No.19944598]

>>19944270
>>19944207
>>I SPEND 12 HOURS A DAY LOOKING THROUGH THE ARCHIVES AND BASE MY PERSONALITY ON OLD GREENTEXT FAKE STORIES FROM 2006-2009 AND MY POSTING STYLE AND VOCABULARY IMITATES OLD ARCHIVED 4CHAN CONVERSATIONS, I HAVE NO REAL ACHIEVEMENTS IN REAL LIFE SO I HAVE TO COPE BY PRETENDING TO BE AN OLDFAG SO I CAN GET INSTANT VALIDATION FROM RETARDS WHO ACTUALLY THINK IM AN OLDFAG. I REFUSE TO POST ANY IMAGE WITH AN UNIX FILENAME STARTING WITH ANYTHING OTHER THAN 11 OR 12, AND WILL PRETEND TO HATE ANY NEW MEMES BECAUSE IT MAKES ME FEEL SUPERIOR TO OTHER POSTERS WHOM I DEEM NEWFAGS. I GO THROUGH ARCHIVE THREADS FROM 2006 THRICE EVERY DAY AND DOWNLOAD 15 IMAGES PER VISIT SO MY """"""OLDFAG""""" IMAGE FOLDER CAN GROW, AND I HAVE MORE STUPID ASS ANIME SMUG REACTION PICS TO SPAM SO I CAN THEN SAMEFAG PRETENDING TO BE A BOWING NEWFAG AND ASK MYSELF 50 TIMES QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW WAS 4CHAN IN 2005 BECAUSE IM A FUCKING OLDFAG

[Anonymous No.19944627]

>>19944598
stop talking about yourself

[Anonymous No.19944642]

>>19944627
>be this anon
>ostensibly in your mid 20s
>spend your free time on a website you don't like telling people you hate that you don't like them
>utilize insults relegated to actual 5 years olds
Imagine being (you)

[Anonymous No.19944665]

>>19938112
The world is slowly shifting to a post-liberal order.

You can't stop it. It's a reaction to the failings of Liberalism.

[Anonymous No.19944680]

>>19944665
Ummm excuse me sweaty but Fukuashima said liberal democracy is the End of History. Smh read a book

[Anonymous No.19945020]

>>19938122
>>19938122
Wait so Moby Dick isn’t actually good?

[Anonymous No.19945040]

>>19945020
>durr it's supposedly a meme
>meme means bad
>it must be bad
go the fuck back

[Anonymous No.19945049]

>>19945040
I’m asking a question fuckface.

[Anonymous No.19945086]

>>19943647
The emperor has no clothes. It IS shit.

[Anonymous No.19945113]

>>19945086
>yeah bro you've totally read it which is why nearly every western name is taken from passages and stories from the old testament, because it's just laws about how to not die from trichinosis. The most influential, referenced and juxtaposed literary work every produced is le shit

[Anonymous No.19945123]

>>19945113
Why bother arguing with fedoras? They reflexively seethe at even the most vague allusions to Christianity. Just be glad their little "movement" was a generational fad

[Anonymous No.19945827]

>>19938112
The board got significantly less intelligent in summer 2019 over the course of about a month and a half. I stuck around for a couple more months, but it's never been the same since and I've mostly quit using it. The old, brainy lit died somehow. Probably some sort of algorithmic thing related to search engines or something. Came on very suddenly.

[Anonymous No.19945831]

>>19938762
based

[Anonymous No.19945942]

>>19938721
waahlaah deez nuts faggöt lmfao.

[Anonymous No.19946052]

>>19944574
thanks for proving my point

[Anonymous No.19946065]

>>19938112
/pol/ invasion metastasized to the other boards.
t. been here since 2004

[Anonymous No.19946144]

>>19938721
>/lit/ used to be a place with serious discussion of literature.
>>19938987
>>19939370
>>19939610
>>19940603
>>19940772
>>19941122
>>19941663
>>19942625
>>19943346
>>19945827
about /lit/'s golden age...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDrz2LGMVwA

[Anonymous No.19946160]

>>19938472
Good man, anon, I'm proud of you.

[Anonymous No.19947380]

>>19938224
Just anecdotally, I graduated high school in 2012 (USA), and most of my friends were hipster. Flash forward like four or five years, I had joined the Air Force in ‘14 and left social media. When I came back to Facebook to reconnect, all my post-hipster friends who used to joke around saying “nigger” and where identity didn’t matter so long as you all like to wear flannel and listen to Andrew Jackson Jihad, I saw them posting Facebook posts about killing whitey when the race war happens, and all sorts of radical left, anti-white bullshit and a decent chunk had randomly become non-binary or were dating trannies when they were never like that only five years previous. I was so far removed from them and their lives at that point that I completely missed their radicalization and felt like the same easy going guy who likes to say nigger as a joke. Pynchon is still my second favorite writer too, although I prefer almost all his other books over GR.

[Anonymous No.19947395]

/pol/dit election tourists invasion

[Anonymous No.19947421]

>>19947395
>>19944574

[Anonymous No.19947463]

>>19945827
Huh thats when I started posting here

[Anonymous No.19947655]

>>19945113
bible isn't literature lmao

[Anonymous No.19947786]

>>19938518
The west is trying that experiment right now, anon
it's not going very well

[Anonymous No.19947904]

>>19947655
Cope

[Anonymous No.19948112]

>>19938112
All the people who enjoyed reading left and now its a bunch of pseuds asserting their egos

[Anonymous No.19948169]

>>19947904
I'm just able to appreciate the difference with scripture :)

[Anonymous No.19948174]

You all wish to assign blame for the nebulous "death" of a constantly growing community. It's quite trivial in the long run. Most of those old threads can still be accessed, hence nothing is truly lost.

[Anonymous No.19948355]

>>19948174
too bad polfags are a cancer