Why does this cause so much seethe?

[Anonymous No.19916221]

Are the leftists that read this actually interested in what the book says?

Or do they start reading it with the mentality of
>I'm deboooking it's racist
Because it contradicts their world view

[Anonymous No.19916315]

>>19916221
It’s been refuted
IQ is an idiot test, a measure of no man.
>race
Irrelevant. But yeah, the author is a crypto racist.

[Anonymous No.19916327]

>>19916315
What exactly has been refuted?

[Anonymous No.19916387]

>>19916315
>What exactly has been refuted?

[Anonymous No.19916402]

>>19916315
>a measure of no man.
Are you implying niggers are not men?

[Anonymous No.19916445]

>>19916387
So what has been refuted?

[Anonymous No.19916448]

>le controversial best seller

[Anonymous No.19916483]

>>19916221
it's not necessary to try and refute the empirical arguments laid out in the book. I think the conclusion is dumb:
if you are stupid -> you will have a higher probability to be poor
if you are black -> the probability of you being stupid and therefore poor is higher

yet, the argument should be thought in the opposite direction. how can poorness affect intelligence? how can lack of education affect intelligence?
also trying to prove genealogical inheritance for (lack of) intelligence, your arguments would need to have strong empirical data. it's hard to find "the stupid gene", but even without it, you'd have to prove that culture, economic status, etc. wouldn't affect the data. that's also hard, but we already know how those affect human intelligence in general, therefore it's an "easier"(less complex and less defisive) issue to deal with. and even if DNA affects the human intelligence, it would certainly be to such a small degree that the "nurture" side is far more significant

[Anonymous No.19916508]

>>19916483
also, I think that DNA only strongly affects intelligence on both extremes. eg. a retard or a hyper autistic intelligent person are affected by their genetics, but most of the population will just randomly fall near the statistical mean. n

[Anonymous No.19916550]

>>19916483
I see what youre trying to do with that reversal, but you have to keep in mind that IQ is determined by the environment only up to a point. Most estimates say that IQ has around 0.7 of heritability, which means environment has a relatively small area of influence and your question about how does poorness affects IQ has less of an explanatory power than the opposite question "how does IQ determines your environment".

[Anonymous No.19916783]

>>19916315
>It’s been refuted
>Provides no source

[Anonymous No.19916827]

>>19916483
Prepare to be intellectually raped:
https://de.catbox.moe/s09f2r.png
https://de.catbox.moe/2v21qc.png
https://files.catbox.moe/vgc6au.png
https://files.catbox.moe/1sgpax.png
Furthermore, your supposed "arguments" lack basic emperircal data, and are therefore of no value.

[Anonymous No.19917041]

>>19916827
uhm based

[Anonymous No.19917097]

>>19916827
why are you spamming this shit like it's a JF race realist debate

also all of the (((data))) comes from jews. I stopped trusting "science" since the covid hoax

[Anonymous No.19917137]

>>19916827
their entire worldview is based on gaslighting, hiding facts and numbers and misrepresenting data in general, it really is that easy to make these faggot leftisst crumble

[Anonymous No.19917141]

>>19917097
>why are you spamming this shit like it's a JF race realist debate
seethe
>also all of the (((data))) comes from jews. I stopped trusting "science" since the covid hoax
back to leftypol with you false flagging tranny

[Anonymous No.19917196]

>>19916221
A book for individuals who read to confirm their prejudices and get their egos stroked. As such, it is useful in as much as it identifies worthless cunts.

[Anonymous No.19917201]

>it's this thread again
>this exact thread
>the words might be nominally different
>but it's this fucking thread again

[Anonymous No.19917231]

>>19917141
stfu jabtard

[Anonymous No.19917245]

These threads are consistently the lowest quality on the board. It's fortunate, in a sense, because the easily-accessible topic, with which everyone is aware and opinionated, can conveniently be tied into DA JOOZ, thus acting as a lightning-rod for idiots who got lost on their way to /pol/.

[Anonymous No.19917253]

bell curve and vaccine bullshit in the same thread
wow and i thought intersectionalism was just for black feminists
add in some stuff about 5g or the loch ness monster and you can really get something going

[Anonymous No.19917279]

>>19917253
certified reddit post

[Anonymous No.19917283]

>>19917279
>certified retard post

[Anonymous No.19917295]

>>19917279
reddit yes that's a good one
why don't you sperg out a bit about how 4chan is being "raided" or something
that should go down well with the other mouthbreathers

[Anonymous No.19917303]

>>19917295
>reddit yes that's a good one
certified cringe moment

[Anonymous No.19917316]

>>19916327
IQ you illiterate cunt

[Anonymous No.19917317]

>>19917303
Want to know how I know the Americans and Canadians are waking up?

[Anonymous No.19917362]

>>19917316
Source?

[Anonymous No.19917390]

>>19916315
>It’s been refuted
Try looking into this even a little bit, lmao. Start with the validity of IQ as a measure of intelligence.

[Anonymous No.19917478]

>>19917201
>i'm on here a lot and i expect everything to be curated for me
fuck off

[Anonymous No.19917605]

>>19917245
>babbles on like a retard
No you're not that smart, bell curve has never been refuted

[Anonymous No.19917615]

>>19917295
this site and boards are constantly getting raided by faggot commies from leftypol, resetera and discord tranny communities
Who exactly are you kidding faggot? Fuck off my board already

[Anonymous No.19917626]

>>19917316
IQ has been refuted?
How?
Is the new commie cope
Cause we know damn well if niggers had the higher iq than whites you faggots wouldn't even bother obsessing over the bell curve and "deboonking" your whole world revolves around loving niggers and coddling them, it's truly pathetic

[Anonymous No.19917643]

>>19917626
What's your artistic intelligence quotient? How about your creativity quotient? Your applied-intelligence quotient? What is the precise mechanism by which testable IQ interacts with all of these things? Remember: be specific.

[Anonymous No.19917712]

>>19917626
jesus fuck anon maybe stop filling your posts with every fucking 4chan buzzword you know huh
cringe cope seethe deboonk dilate wah wah wah oh god fuck off

[Anonymous No.19917714]

>>19917643
Your general IQ is important because it predicts a lot of important things (success in education, financial status etc.) because it actually exists as an separate factor. Your types of knowledge do not even exist as separate realities thats why they arent takes seriously and are used only as a cope for those who fear the simple fact that general intelligence exists.

[Anonymous No.19917723]

>>19917714
lol there is no connection between iq and financial status

[Anonymous No.19917732]

>>19917714
Well, if IQ is so important, take it from someone who has a 99.97% chance of being smarter than you: your argument is dogshit and IQ falls apart under even rudimentary scrutiny. What, explain? Why bother? I'm just smarter than you are.

[Anonymous No.19917746]

>>19917626
Post your IQ you fucking coward.

[Anonymous No.19917773]

IQ is real if I get to use it to dunk on rightoids. Simple as

[Anonymous No.19917786]

>>19917732
Seethe and cope, commie cunt. IQ is the ability of problem solving, that simple.

[Anonymous No.19917789]

>>19916315
Shaun BreadTube watcher detected.

TBC hasn't actually been refuted, just attacked from an angle of shifting the burden of proof.
"You can't say this is genetic until we do every possible study on every possible environmental
variable to rule it out". Yeah OK buddy there's a microscopic teapot that cannot be detected with modern instruments orbiting fucking Pluto, prove me wrong. The burden of proof is heavily reliant on verifiability. To expect "someone else" to do an infinite amount of studies on the infinite amount of potential external environmental factors just because the Occam's razor explanation is not politically correct is beyond retarded. Every single "refutation" of TBC relies on this braindead grift at some point. Sorry woketards, that's not how evidence works. Return to leddit.

[Anonymous No.19917809]

Bildung > Intelligence

[Anonymous No.19917822]

Blacks and leftards are notoriously low in this trait, which is clearly liked to IQ. That's wjy they seethe so much about it.

[Anonymous No.19917831]

>>19917786
I've solved the problem of IQ. Take it from me, who, at twelve years old and without any test prep, scored higher than 99% of graduating seniors on the SAT. I'm telling you, from my lofty and esteemable position at the far right end of your vaunted bell curve, that I've given this problem a lot of thought. I have solved it, and I would say that IQ has too many methodological errors to be taken seriously. In addition, what little it DOES actually prove beyond infinitely fungible, post hoc interpretations of raw data by fallible human beings, is almost exclusively out of scope with claims made, both explicit and allusive, within this thread and elsewhere.

So, what now? Am I lying? Am I just fucking with you? Do I, from my position at least two standard deviations "above" you, have the ability to perceive and understand the world in levels of nuance and detail and, yes, beauty, that you'll forever be incapable of? Your choice what you want to believe, my dudes. I don't care either way. About any of it, honestly. Knock yourselves out, but please try to avoid burning the entire fucking world down in the process... at least until I've finished my book.

[Anonymous No.19917897]

>>19917723
Yes there is, read up any relevant literature on this topic

[Anonymous No.19917907]

>>19917809
It has to be Bildung AND intelligence, those who are naturally more intelligent have to be separated from those who arent and put in the harshest Bildung environment possible

[Anonymous No.19917933]

>>19917831
You write like a manipulative woman, if you were as smart as you say you would understand that no one would buy into what one smart unproffesional random person thinks about IQ versus thousands of scientists who have dedicated their whole lives to specialize in one topic. Please kys

[Anonymous No.19917937]

>>19917933
How do you feel about climate change?

[Anonymous No.19917956]

>>19917937
I think its real and is intensified by humans, why you ask?

[Anonymous No.19917964]

>>19917956
Low effort gotcha. I agree we should trust the science, but I think the editorializing

[Anonymous No.19917971]

>>19917964
And subsequent policy change isn’t strictly relegated to the realm of scientists but also ethicists and political theorists. I’ve never read the Bell Curve, but I will along with what seem to be the most prominent arguments against it. Prima Facie stance is that IQ has much more to do with context as opposed to immutable features of the subject themselves but what do I know?

[Anonymous No.19917974]

>>19916827
>>19917141
>>19917137
>>19917789
Dilate

[Anonymous No.19917997]

>>19917971
Well no one is arguing that subsequent changes should be left to the sciences. And its a consensus among todays scientists that general IQ has a big hereditary part, so it would be rational to believe in it rather than react negatively just because the opposite tribe benefits more from this truth. Else, you act like those who dont believe in climate change, just because it aligned more with liberal and leftist point of view.

[Anonymous No.19918349]

>>19917809
good post

[Anonymous No.19918398]

>>19917809
Based.
Anyone who thinks otherwise, and considers intelligence superior to Bildung should try swinging by a mensa meeting.

[Anonymous No.19918403]

>>19917723
Broke retard hands wrote this post.

[Anonymous No.19918411]

>>19917809
Academic mongs like to believe this.

In the end their "Bildung" is mostly "Einbildung".

[Anonymous No.19918416]

>>19918411
>Academic mongs like to believe this.

I should know by the way.
I am one.

[Anonymous No.19918426]

>>19918411
peak midwit tier post

[Anonymous No.19918480]

>>19918426
lol you wish
The biggest retards I have ever known were the ones that heavily relied on their specific field of expertise in literally everything they did, instead of just showing a grain of intellectual adaptability.

These were the kinda academic retards that would start drawing up diagrams and models of how people should sit around a table, because additional people would join for lunch.

[Anonymous No.19918519]

>>19918480
The same people had incredible problems explaining stuff and wrapping their minds around the thoughts of others by the way.

This is especially annoying in software development where everything revolves around lining up your thoughts with the abstractions of coworkers.

[Anonymous No.19918702]

>>19918480
>>19918519
>>19918480
But that's were you're wrong. Bildung is more about refinement, abstract thought, cultural literacy and general knowledge, than just NPCs memorizing shit they read in some books.

[Anonymous No.19918710]

>>19918702
>quoting a post twice
I'm stupid. I know.

[Anonymous No.19918839]

>>19916315
Chrles Murray is not really a crypto racist, he was into the whole KKK fratboy scene back in the 60s. Even helped his friends burn a cross.

[Anonymous No.19918991]

>>19916483
>even if DNA affects the human intelligence, it would certainly be to such a small degree that the "nurture" side is far more significant
What do you base that on? The actual truth is the exact opposite, genetics determine your intelligence entirely, minus deleterious environmental effects such as eating lead paint or huffing mercury fumes as a child.

[Anonymous No.19919007]

>>19916315
>measure of no man
It is a measure of a very specific types of intelligence that correlates roughly enough to success along a certain ratio.
It never claims that IQ is the only thing that matters in human life. That is a delusion by radicals on both sides because they're very unintelligent.

[Anonymous No.19919108]

>>19916221
Is OP interested in discussing literature with this thread?
Or did he just run out of cocks to suck?

With that out of the way, "The bell curve" is a book for losers: no man with any accomplishments whatsoever to his name will tell you "yep, it's all thanks to my good genes!", even the most gifted athletes have to train hard for years and years to get to the top, and even the very assumption that high IQ is automatically a desirable trait is laughable if you know about MENSA or Israel.
Basically, it's a book that appeals to the kind of american white trash that can't even imagine that american niggers and african niggers might be retarded in different ways because of their completely different cultures (despite their pretty much identical genes).

[Anonymous No.19919111]

>>19916315
Race isn't even mentioned in it.

[Anonymous No.19919112]

>>19918991
The new genetics of intelligence
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29335645/
>Recent genome-wide association studies have successfully identified inherited genome sequence differences that account for 20% of the 50% heritability of intelligence.

They base that information on a chimera, because there is none. For a group that extol science, genetics seem to be their Achilles heel. Here is another study on brain size and intelligence. Remember brain size differs among the different races. Even now we have couples using polygenic screening to select embryos. The study of genetics and intelligence seem to indicate the veracity of Murray's claims.

A Polygenic Score for Higher Educational Attainment is Associated with Larger Brains
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30215680/

[Anonymous No.19919280]

>>19916827
>muh charts!

[Anonymous No.19919909]

>>19918702
Bildung is literally the german word for education though.
If this is another /tv/ tier "kino" meme I wouldn't know, but around here we have the saying "Einbildung ist auch eine Form der Bildung" meaning, "Smugness is also a form of education".

Vice versa you will find a lot of highly educated people who are extremely smug but lack general intelligence and sense of pragmaticism.

[Anonymous No.19919990]

>>19919909
retard
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bildung

[Anonymous No.19920043]

>>19916315
>It's been refuted
By who?
Let me guess liberal "scientists" twice as biased as the people who wrote this book