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[Anonymous No.19891943]

Why is this so unsettling? Isn't this supposed to be the perfect outcome?
Any books about this feel?

[Anonymous No.19892015]

>>19891943
Superintelligence by Nick Bostrom explores this idea quite a bit

[Anonymous No.19892071]

>>19891943
Suffering is good.

[Anonymous No.19892095]

>>19892071
This. Suffering is what leads to empathy. Empathy leads to connection. So you'd be left with a world without empathy or connection.

[Anonymous No.19892118]

>>19892095
Isn't that where we are?

[Anonymous No.19892125]

>>19892118
Almost. Adventure has been traded for safety. Safety means less suffering (or a suffering of a much more internalised neurotic nature) so we lecture instead of listen.

[Anonymous No.19892128]

>>19891943
>Isn't this supposed to be the perfect outcome?
If you have the mentality of a small child, yes. Sentient beings should strive towards a meaningful existence, not a happy one.

[Anonymous No.19892131]

>>19892071
shoot urself

[Anonymous No.19892138]

>>19892128
muh meaning is a cope, heroin>>>your gay ass "meaning"

[Anonymous No.19892142]

Ah yes, another thread which is going to devolve into an argument about metaethics which is in reality just arguing about language and semantics.

[Anonymous No.19892148]

>>19892128
>a meaningful existence, not a happy one
are these not the same? why is the experience of pleasure not meaningful in itself?

[Anonymous No.19892172]

>>19892148
No. Look them up in the dictionary. 2 different words.

[Anonymous No.19892193]

>>19892172
who should I care about meaning

[Anonymous No.19892200]

>>19892193
*why

[Anonymous No.19892202]

>>19891943
>Why is this so unsettling?
it isn't. it's just a cartoon.
if you find it "unsettling", you're probably just a teenager, maybe on a cocktail of prescription medicines that prevent you from feeling any real emotions, looking for something "deep" and "edgy" to latch on to. a couple of generations ago, you'd be sitting in your bedroom looking for the hidden meanings in prog rock lyrics.

[Anonymous No.19892204]

>>19892193
Do you want to?

[Anonymous No.19892235]

>>19892138
Go ahead and OD then, we'd be better off without your ilk.

[Anonymous No.19892258]

>>19892204
no
>>19892235
not an argument, an existence with a constant heroin high would render meaning irrelevant, the aesthetic experience of such intense pleasure would be an end in itself. The real debate is why this is not so, and the only answer appears to be that God is either uncaring or evil, seeing as how free will and thus the fall of man have been refuted
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Nietzsche_and_free_will

[Anonymous No.19892260]

>>19892235
Ilk is such a funny word. Same tier as oaf or buffoon.

[Anonymous No.19892275]

>>19892258
Without suffering there would be no need to talk. Without suffering there would be no humour. Life is a tide it ebbs and it flows. But have fun in your stagnating water.

[Anonymous No.19892283]

does happiness give meaning, or does meaning give happiness, or are they both required for each other, so that happiness can't exist without meaning nor meaning without happiness?

[Anonymous No.19892291]

>>19892095
>you can't have empathy in happiness
depressed retard

[Anonymous No.19892293]

>>19892275
that suffering is necessary is arbitrary, a god of infinite power has infinite possibilities for the configuration of reality

[Anonymous No.19892328]

>>19892283
>does happiness give meaning, or does meaning give happiness
I personally don't like happiness. It makes me feel empty. I like the world around me gritty and harsh but the world within me calm and relaxed with a bit of sadness. That feels meaningful in some way. Of course, you could say that this is my happiness but it really doesn't feel that way.
Maybe those terms do not reflect reality accurately. When is life meaningful? If you can look back at your life and say that it was worth it? Could be accurate. When is life happy? No fucking clue. I'm about to abandon this term. It seems to be meaningless.

[Anonymous No.19892345]

>>19892328
ok so this is just semantic quibbling, imma head out

[Anonymous No.19892398]

>>19892071
>>19892131
That's also what Dostoevsky and Tolsoty say

[Anonymous No.19892511]

>>19892291
Happiness and suffering are not a constant. The more suffering you've endured the easier you find it to be content in situations that would dismantle others. Suffering is a skill.

[Anonymous No.19892541]

>>19892128
>”should”
>”meaningful”
People who use words like these are all pseuds

[Anonymous No.19892557]

>>19892541
ur mom has the gay

[Anonymous No.19892581]

>>19892541
You "should" jump off a bridge, faggot

[Anonymous No.19892597]

>>19892581
>gets btfo
>edgy seething

[Anonymous No.19892601]

>>19892557
More infantile drivel from the spook peddlers. Can’t say I’m surprised

[Anonymous No.19892611]

I’m angrier that the jannies blocked my IP from uploading images. Again!

[Anonymous No.19892613]

>>19892557
>>19892581
Nice samefag

[Anonymous No.19892695]

>>19892128
Meaning is a hedonic quality

[Anonymous No.19892779]

>>19892695
>meaning is hedonic
you really can't make this shit up

[Anonymous No.19892995]

>>19891943
Unironically read Infinite Jest

[Anonymous No.19893134]

>>19891943
Because you intuitively know that's not what happiness is, and yet it's this mockery of genuine happiness that you pursue when you pursue ephemeral pleasures.

[Anonymous No.19893520]

>>19892258

[Anonymous No.19894218]

>>19892142
This is what discussion has become. I make a statement. You break it down and simplify it. Then I have to prove why it is self evident with basic logic. Then that gets broken down and simplified maybe even mutual attacks on eachothers characters and then we both leave to repeat ad nauseam. This is the reality of discourse in the modern age. This is the freedom your forefathers laved, fought and died for.

[Anonymous No.19894289]

>>19891943
Not exactly about this feel, but David Pearce has written about this concept of wireheading.

https://www.hedweb.com/
https://www.wireheading.com/

[Anonymous No.19894292]

>>19891943
>>19894289

[Anonymous No.19894298]

>>19891943
Andrés Gómez Emilsson's article "Wireheading Done Right" is worth reading. It's about this concept of implementing superhappiness in the best possible way.

https://qualiacomputing.com/2016/08/20/wireheading_done_right/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGkAP_DYyeQ

[Anonymous No.19894303]

>>19892095
>So you'd be left with a world without empathy or connection.
And why is that a bad thing? My life would probably be significantly better if I became a sociopath/psychopath.

[Anonymous No.19894306]

>>19892071
Cope. Light yourself on fire if you actually believe this.

[Anonymous No.19894308]

>>19892128
Midwit take

>>19892541
This

[Anonymous No.19894328]

>>19891943
https://www.nickbostrom.com/utopia.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWP1rlbjszg

>Dear Human,

>Greetings, and may this letter find you at peace and in prosperity! Forgive my writing to you out of the blue. Though you and I have never met, we are not strangers. We are, in a certain sense, the closest of kin_

>I am one of your possible futures. One day, I hope, you will become me. Should fortune grant this wish, then I am not just a possible future of yours, but your actual future: a coming phase of you, like the full moon that follows a waxing crescent, or like the flower that follows a seed. I am writing to tell you about my life - how marvelous it is - that you may choose it for yourself.

>Although this letter uses the singular, I am really writing on behalf of my all my contemporaries, and we are addressing ourselves to all of your contemporaries. Amongst us are many who are possible futures of your people. Some of us are possible futures of children you have not yet given birth to. Still others are possible artificial persons that you might one day create. What unites us is that we are all dependent on you to make us real. Think of this note as if it were an invitation to a ball - a ball that will take place only if people show up.

>We call the lives we lead here "Utopia".

[Anonymous No.19894422]

>>19894308
It's a meme? I'm sorry. I concede.

[Anonymous No.19894435]

Hospitals should be shut down. Sometimes a person suffers from going to the hospital, therefore no one should be treated because any suffering outweighs any pleasure.

[Anonymous No.19894628]

>>19891943
You tell me. Why is it so unsettling? For a utilitarian it should be utopia, so why does it feel so wrong? Could it be that there is a transcendent value to authentic human experience that outweighs maximizing pleasure by any possible means? It seems so and yet at the same time it also seems like utilitarians cannot possibly justify such a value.

[Anonymous No.19894645]

>>19894303
Compassion is good and there's nothing you can say that will change my mind.

[Anonymous No.19894658]

>>19894645
It's one thing to say compassion is good it's another to rationally justify it in such a way that no right thinking person could possibly think otherwise. There's nothing as disgraceful as an atheist who demands proof for God strong enough to compel them against their will that God exists while relying on copes like "compassion is good because...well it just is, OK!?"

Have the courage to stare into the black abyss your convictions lead or else don't hold them at all

[Anonymous No.19895486]

>>19894628
Would unironically like this

[Anonymous No.19895516]

>>19894628
Pleasure is a tool of self actualization, like suffering.
This pic is unsettling because it’s basically an evolutionary trap.

[Anonymous No.19895645]

>>19892071
This, ignore all the coping

[Anonymous No.19896253]

>>19894628
Hot

[Anonymous No.19896611]

>>19894628
Reminds me of Wall-E