Literature Explaining America

[Anonymous No.19864705]

What's a good book to understand the current political climate in the US? Americans seem obsessed with politics bordering on total hysteria while simultaneously completely devoid of hope or any expectation things can be improved. How is this even fucking possible? Is there any decent writing on the question?

Also please no Tocqueville autism, yes he was insightful, no he is no longer relevant.

[Anonymous No.19864743]

>>19864705
You really don't need a book to understand it. A vast majority of Americans believe the country is on the wrong track. Most politicians have low favorability, too. At the same time, Americans continue to elect the same politicians to the same position, literally until said politicians die. You're right: Americans are schizophrenic.

They also have this eternal optimism. Americans have always been optimistic. But that's ending very quickly. The Millennials have no hope. And the Zoomers? -- completely worthless. I think something like 1/3 of Zoomers are gay. There is no hope here. It's over.

[Anonymous No.19864761]

>>19864705
Start with the Library of America pamphlet debate anthologies.

[Anonymous No.19864768]

>>19864743
The god damn fuckin gays. HATE when two dicks touch, or two pussies slide together. It's no wonder I can't get into a fucking dentist around here.

[Anonymous No.19864781]

>>19864743
I feel like at this point there's either going to be a huge round of killing/ethnic cleansing or the country is going to peacefully break up. Generation X, Millennials, and Zoomers all have basically no love for the United States as it currently exists. The Boomers are the only thing holding the country together, but they're dying off. America as we know it will not exist in 50 years. We'll either be some kind of dictatorship or imperial monarchy, or we'll have broken up.

[Anonymous No.19864783]

>>19864705
Also, you're very unlikely to find anything with the mainstream, and perhaps outside of the mainstream, that accurately describes America's descent into hysteria. Liberals don't see it as hysteria, for instance. They believe we're in the midst of some sort of liberal Great Awaking, and we're on our way to correcting errors of the past. In other words, they see absolutely nothing wrong with the insanity we're seeing. Conservatives are a little more in touch with reality. You're far more likely to find a conservative who can properly describe the state of America. This is why Tucker is so popular. Even though I'm not so much into him, Tucker has a way of describing things in a way that reflects the reality of American life.

At the end of the day, though, the American elite is a rotting, corrupt corpse. They don't know the experiences of everyday, ordinary people. I don't even think they believe in Americans anymore. They only believe in 'world citizens.' We're a globalized people, which makes sense -- we're the universal empire. And moreover, most of the elites truly hate everyday, ordinary American, which is why they feel the need to flood the country with foreign elements.

The intellectual-elite does all the writing. Thus, you're very unlikely to find a book or essay on what you're looking for. You'll have to do it yourself.

[Anonymous No.19864864]

>>19864781
>The Boomers are the only thing holding the country together, but they're dying off.
We're going to live through some interesting times soon, the boomers are the ones with all the power, wealth, and artificially propping up the demographics (the old population in the US doesn't resemble the young population at all, white people have no children).

[Anonymous No.19864866]

>>19864705
Try reading someone who was born here and some Eurofag who patronizes us. That's a start

[Anonymous No.19864904]

>>19864705
Don't know but I'm really glad I wasn't born in your mentally ill shithole country

[Anonymous No.19864909]

>>19864705
>coombait thumbnail
hiding this garbage

[Anonymous No.19864942]

>>19864705
The problem is that Americans pull a knee jerk reaction to any criticism of their country while being head high in propaganda without any sense of self awareness.

I'm a born and bred American but my takes on the country get me called a traitor by my compatriot NPCs, for simply questioning the status quo, despite being more knowledgeable about our own country past a superficial consumeristic level and more well traveled having lived and worked in Europe and Asia.

They will constantly move goal posts, project, pilpol, gaslight, deflect or any other intellectually dishonest move in order to distract from ever facing a certain reality.

The reason is simply that Americans are so culturally isolated that hypernationalism is the default part of their individual identity and ego. They constantly "patriot check" each other as an obligation of moral supremacy.

If you think I'm talking about liberals or conservatives individuals, I assure you there's zero difference between the two in the international perspective.

You're best off by reading media criticism lit as it's majorly focused on American media (check the sticky for recs). Documentaries like Hypernormalisation are also helpful critiques on the American mentality. It's very difficult for Americans to escape their hyperbole and tunnel vision perspectives, so you have to take much more into account than a single particular author.

[Anonymous No.19864946]

>>19864705
Read Albion's sneed

[Anonymous No.19864977]

>>19864942
Global rule 2

[Anonymous No.19865057]

> Let's go Brandon
Wow, as if the pom-poms and skimpy outfit weren't enough to scream "I'm brain-dead!" she has to go ahead and spell it out for us as well.

[Anonymous No.19865062]

I honestly think it's because the empire is coming to an end. I fully expect America to no longer exist within my lifetime. I don't even dislike it, I think it was a beautiful and admirable country before the boomers took the reigns, but there's no getting around the fact that it's sputtering out.

[Anonymous No.19865080]

>>19864705
Voltaire’s Bastards is nearly 30 years old by now but I think it’s still got some good points. The elites in political and corporate America have abandoned humanity in pursuit of further building a complicated, expert political machine that ignores the conforming, half-awake toiling masses that it might suppose to serve. Nobody gets to understand why everything seems to get worse because the elites can never admit that they have no control over the machine they created. You can’t even question why there is a deep state, a military industry, secret services, etc. or why foreigners (e.g. Israel, Saudi Arabia) are given the reigns to decide America’s foreign policy - the elites have it handled according to the experts.

On the other side though, I don’t think this book covers the complete idiocy of the American population, the brainless consumerism, etc., and also doesn’t consider the complete brain rot of those political elites that are withering before our very eyes. There is no optimistic or humanistic direction because nobody wants that anymore, not because the political machine stops them. If a good future meant caring for your community, your morals, your fellow citizen, then fuck that give me my Facebook, my prescription opioids and let me scream at the cashiers at Walmart instead.

[Anonymous No.19865100]

>>19865062
How much is history going to hate the Boomers? They're going to be the most reviled generation in the last couple of centuries. 100 or 200 years from now some historian living in some future country that doesn't even exist yet is going to write some fucking devastating treatise on American Baby Boomers, and all of time will remember them as a verminous generation going forward.

[Anonymous No.19865116]

>>19865062
I'm curious, do you live in the US? I truly don't understand all the doom saying, if you turn off the TV and look around you, life is much the same as it was 10 or even 20 years ago in the US. At worst the only real difference is far more Mexicans doing shit jobs everywhere, but everything still runs. We're not the USSR, there's no food shortage, the machine works to keep everything going.

Honestly the real evil of our age is precisely that, that there is no end, no collapse, what awaits humanity is interminating mediocrity.

[Anonymous No.19865138]

>>19865116
>We're not the USSR, there's no food shortage, the machine works to keep everything going.

There is no nation left. People have pulled apart into this or that ethnic, ideological, or religious camp. There is no coherent idea of "America" that everyone in America agrees upon on a fundamental level.

And you may argue that you don't need that, if people are fed and things still run. But I disagree. A nation is more than land and food and jobs and cities and towns. A nation must have a soul, a spirit, that pulls its people together. I think America no longer has that soul. Or, rather, there are multiple spirits, multiple souls, multiple ideas of what America should be. And the sides can't agree, won't agree. That's what will pull the country apart ultimately.

[Anonymous No.19865159]

>>19865138
>There is no nation left. People have pulled apart into this or that ethnic, ideological, or religious camp. There is no coherent idea of "America" that everyone in America agrees upon on a fundamental level.
if you ever believed america was a single, cohesive nation, you're a doup. Never has America been a cohesive whole. since the beginning there has been infighting and factionalism. the us federal government explicitly exists to suppress all factionalism. Read Madison.

[Anonymous No.19865169]

>>19865159
Yeah well it doesn't work any more. Fuck, go look at the polls for support of breaking the country up. The percentage of people that believe it's permissible for a state to secede has risen by a noticeable amount of late. There are increasing percentages of Americans who are perfectly happy to fuck off from each other, even if it means breaking the country up.

[Anonymous No.19865174]

>>19864864
>white people have no children
The Amish and Mormons will thrive and create the next generation of Aryans while zoomers and millennials chemically castrate themselves and die childless in an urban pod.

[Anonymous No.19865199]

>>19865174
>The Amish and Mormons
Amish are .1% of the population
Mormons are 4%
both groups have more and more people leaving them and with newer members having fewer children if they remain
even if this wasn't the case having 20 children per marriage wouldn't be enough to put a dent in the demographic replacement caused by global immigration into the US
you are so completely delusional it is beyond laughable

[Anonymous No.19865234]

>Americans seem obsessed with politics bordering on total hysteria while simultaneously completely devoid of hope or any expectation things can be improved
To put it simply: it's the birth of Caesarism in America. Americans, in all parties, want radical changes and no longer have faith in the system as it is to accomplish that.
Read this. Originally published in 1957It's a Spenglerian piece but dealing specifically with America (and a little bit of Europe) in analogy to ancient Rome.
Amaury de Riencourt, a European, gives a lot of insights into American culture that many traditional cultural critics lack. This is probably because he admires America, to a great extent, but sees its rising ugly sides leading to Caesarism. Specifically, Riencourt understand what Americans are like unconsciously, rather than how they are merely perceived elsewhere or how they perceive themselves.
America is a Puritan country, a concept that is perpetually misunderstood by fools who hate the "moralizing" of Puritans, a false caricature of the actual Puritans. What this really means, is that Americans are, in actuality, very socialist (in the original Prussian sense, not the leftist Marxist one) and collectivist. The original culture, in dealing with splintering religious factions, used the great open space to find a new method to keep society together and mediate conflict.
This is precisely why the country is somehow so individualistic on one hand, and so polarized on the other. This is also why the country works as well as it does compared to places like Latin America. It's something that many foreign powers have grossly underestimated: how united the country can become under certain circumstances.
Another factor he notices is the feminizing of the nation's politics. The US (and the Puritans) was a patriarchal culture, and highly masculine one. The feminist aspect has corroded the Republican institutions.
This phenomenon culminates in the people wanting and needing a strong, paternalist leader because the sick system (which, by Spengler's assessment is the moneyed system) no longer works.
(1/2)

[Anonymous No.19865238]

>>19865234
Some quotes,
>American public opinion has become largely feminine and its profound impact on the political evolution of republican institutions geared to a more patriarchal age and the steady march towards Caesarism are largely their doing; an increasingly feminine public opinion will look increasingly for a virile Caesar.
This is in context of immigration:

>Nothing has made as telling a contribution to American conformity and socialism as this pre-eminence of school life that teaches the youngster to cultivate above all the arts of imitation, sociability, and cooperation, that gives him as primary goal the attainment of popularity. The pressure of social conformity cuts everybody down to common size and even competition, so fierce in past generations, is toned down by the egalitarian trend. It tends now to be rejected to the periphery of life where it concentrates on marginal trend.
Riencourt also notices that most school teachers are also female, and hold a special, Puritanical position.
>Americans are socialists. Psychological socialists.

>The American craves leadership, and the immense power wielded in America by small groups of men - in business as in politics - is due to their utter willingness to follow a leader. Sooner or later, in a crisis, the exceptional man endowed with creative power, imagination, boldness, and initiative, arises and polarizes the immense amount of hero worship that is a permanent part of the American soul.
(2/2)

[Anonymous No.19865278]

>>19865116
Yes, I'm an American. White, blue eyes, family on both sides that have been here so long we forgot what part of Europe they came from. I'm even in the military.
I don't think you're looking at the right things if you're convinced everything's the same. Social cohesion is simply gone - for the majority of Americans, communities no longer exist. Families don't either. Just because we aren't starving doesn't mean we have a country.

[Anonymous No.19865342]

>>19864942
>being able to travel

There's your problem.

[Anonymous No.19865350]

>>19865234
I'm gonna ask again, is there any criticism done by born and bred Americans?

[Anonymous No.19865451]

[Anonymous No.19865508]

>>19865116
Nobody in the USSR believed it would fall until the very end. The Baltics were disregarded as irrelevant splinters, CIS was seen as merely a rebranding instead of dissolution, and everyone and their dog voted to keep USSR intact and just enact some reforms.
The USSR was dissolved regardless, the Army was in both disbelief and disrepair, and from 1991 to 1994 began a slide in living standards culminating in absolute shithole status by 1998.
There weren't hungry zombie hordes in the late 80's, ppl were hopeful if kinda poor. They would get so much poorer so unexpectedly.

Ukraine to this day is Congo tier impoverished mess that lost 15 million people out of 50 in 30 years and has like post-WW2 gdp per capita. This was a country that made space rockets and nuke powered aircraft carriers like pies, 30 years later it can't service its only remaining submarine or build a single destroyer.

The Collapse can come unexpectedly and irreversibly out of the blue for like 99% of population, as the USSR showed.

[Anonymous No.19865517]

>>19864705

[Anonymous No.19865518]

>>19864705
>while simultaneously completely devoid of hope or any expectation things can be improved
nigga that's only because there's not much improving left
americans don't realise how lucky they are and then come here complaining about... what? niggers? "cultural decline"? do you faggots not realise how easy you have it?

[Anonymous No.19865525]

>>19865508
>>Nobody in the USSR believed it would fall until the very end.
This is complete bullshit. Why do people with ZERO knowledge of a subject pretend to be authorities to push their point through even though it is baseless?

[Anonymous No.19865529]

>>19865508
>The Collapse can come unexpectedly and irreversibly out of the blue for like 99% of population, as the USSR showed.

[Anonymous No.19865537]

>>19865350
One has to distance from the object of study to see it properly. Alexis de Toqueville was not a born and bred American.
Conversely, American perception of Europe and Russia provides insight unavailable to Europeans and Russians themselves due to impossibility to distance from oneself.

[Anonymous No.19865565]

>>19865525
90% of literature on the subject is bullshit, so people who read a "short history of ussr" once think they're expert

[Anonymous No.19865569]

>>19865525
>>19865529
I remember my family making an improvised potato farm on the dacha in the 90s to have something to eat, because nobody would hire you in a 10k ppl town or would pay you like 100 modern usd a month you could exchange for stolen US food aid.
The idea of planting and tending to potatoes makes me furious to this day, being a kid laborer after school ain't nice. My most heartwarming treat of age 8 or so were a pair of soufflé-like cookies I wouldn't spend a millisecond looking at in my 30s.

My first Gen townsfolk family univocally say the 80's were hopeful if poor by today's standards yet the 90's were absolute fucking shit and utter poverty nobody would subscribe for if given the chance to decide. Comparing those earliest memories to what passes as poverty now in Moscow still gives me shivers. Africa in snow, and I am not talking of the SAR or Egypt.

[Anonymous No.19865617]

>>19865569
The takeaway was they THOUGHT they were poor (and they were, objectively), but they actually were OK compared to what was in stock for them in the coming decade (utter Guatemala tier poverty in shit climate and Salvador tier crime stats).

Total absolute collapse, drugfiends everywhere, bums everywhere, gangs everywhere, crime rate through the roof, police ineffective at best and a crime sindicate at worst, girls dream of being sluts for bandits and boys hoping to become crime gang foot soldiers or grifters, monthly wages of 50 to 100 usd a month, semi-empty shelves and hyperinflation in the thousands, zero trust to anyone and anything.

First time this country actually surpassed USSR living standards was in like 2006, so the 2008-2014 period was like a blip of a golden age, until we have reverted back to 2006 or so, now with filthy rich crime sindicate in power. So it took like 30 years to get back where we started, just with chinkshit and faux foodstuff now.

[Anonymous No.19865631]

>>19865537
I guess...

[Anonymous No.19865748]

>>19865199

[Anonymous No.19865786]

>>19864705
Having a book to describe America is pointless, seeing as how the majority of Americans can't even read

[Anonymous No.19865825]

>>19864705
based tradwife

[Anonymous No.19866402]

>>19864705
>no he is no longer relevant.
Wrong you just want shorter books. And why yes, I am projecting.

America by Baudrillard for its soul
Society of Decadence for this phase of it
There's definitely an urge to look at the secular through the lens of the theologian and so a lot of American politics is re-emerging the understand that politics is our religion - cast of saints, martyrs, prophets etc. Yockey says this in Imperium too.

[Anonymous No.19866403]

>>19864705
Just read Revolt of the Elites.
>>19864783

[Anonymous No.19866407]

>>19865825
>implying she hasn’t sucked every single dick in the us football team

[Anonymous No.19866411]

>>19864946
>>19864942
>>19864904
>>19864866
>>19864783
>>19864761
>>19864743
No books

[Anonymous No.19866416]

>>19865100
Materially abundant and ideologically vapid. Trapped from cradle to grave in the cult of Mammonism. I pity them.

[Anonymous No.19866419]

Huck Finn

[Anonymous No.19866422]

>>19865238
>>19865234
This seems to be largely a good take, OP. I haven't read but from Anon's post this is a safe bet.

[Anonymous No.19866424]

>>19864942

[Anonymous No.19866431]

>>19864705
They are obsessed with politics in the most superficial, entertainment industry-tier way. Nobody cares about actual policies or implementations, theyre all too braindead from corn syrup and vegetable oils. It's all just TV to them, and when the fundamental machinations of their country devolve into what is nothing more than surface-level spectacle, eventually the engine will seize while going 100 mph on a twelve-lane superhighway.

[Anonymous No.19866433]

>>19865278
Same. We've been here so long my ancestors came over on wooden ships.
I think about my local 4th of July parade. Since the 90s every year it has gotten smaller and less happy. I don't think it even exists anymore. It just faded away, and with it another part of our communal ties.

[Anonymous No.19866435]

>>19865786
Honestly I used to proudly read in the subway and then I realized that there is a sizeable portion of people who see me reading and feel ashamed that they can't. Just changed body posture is all.

[Anonymous No.19866439]

>>19866431
Nice book recommendation

[Anonymous No.19866451]

>>19864705

Ortega y Gasset, La rebelion de las masas. What you described happens in whole Occident, not just in USA, barely more intense and public because muh television in America.

[Anonymous No.19866521]

>>19865518
What the FUCK is this image

[Anonymous No.19866538]

>>19866439
Eat my cock. America Against America by Wang Huning might be one of the better reccs written by a foreigner in the past few decades. Huning is currently one of the most powerful men in the CPC, and this book is a reflection of his time spent in USA back in the 80s or 90s. Its not unfairly negstive and he does list the important positive aspects of modern America, but in typical Chinese pragmatism, he offers a very detailed and highly dispassionate deconstruction of what he believes America consists of in this day and age.
>im not reading some filthy CPC chink
Yeah, this is exactly the problem with americans, actually

[Anonymous No.19866566]

The Coddling of the American Mind
Racecraft
Culture of Narcissism
Consumer Society
Americans Against America

That should be more than enough to keep you busy for a while.

[Anonymous No.19866569]

>>19864705

Tocqueville's "Democracy in America"

[Anonymous No.19866572]

>>19864705
Capitalist realism

[Anonymous No.19866589]

>>19865748
This.

The Mormons are preparing themselves to be the successors of America, in accordance with their own theology. The Intelligence community is rife with them, and they are attempting to secure a unshakable foothold on pop-culture production in a non-overt manner that makes their product palatable to non-Mormons (see the major push to dominate genre fiction over the last 40 years).

Does this mean that they are going to establish Theodemocracy by 2100? Probably not, but they appear to be the only White majority group thinking more than 5 seconds ahead and doing something about it.

[Anonymous No.19866640]

>>19866589
>see the major push to dominate genre fiction over the last 40 years
Mormons dominate genre fiction?

[Anonymous No.19866654]

>>19866589

Having 2 wives would make me so happy

3 or more would suck. You would need them to be segregated from you in some kind of harem dormitory. Who would want to deal with more than 2 women on a daily basis lmao

[Anonymous No.19866687]

>>19865199
>Mormons are 4%
Jews are 1%

[Anonymous No.19866716]

>>19866640
>Mormons dominate genre fiction?
Not at the moment, but they are seriously overrepresented, and have a tight network of cross promotion between fellow writers and publishers.

[Anonymous No.19866951]

>>19865518
>because there's not much improving left
You're actually fucking delusional if you fail to recognize that every aspect of America currently is rotten to the core. We can make lots of money and we have lots of geographical freedom. That's all we have currently

[Anonymous No.19867069]

>>19866589
After having visited Salt Lake City on a cross country roadtrip and walking among their largest monuments I can't help but feel there is something deeply Masonic about their entire religion

[Anonymous No.19867097]

>>19865748
Mormons are insignificant. Just a bunch of pseudo jews, scientologists, and freemasons. Luciferians in disguise.

[Anonymous No.19867179]

[Anonymous No.19867231]

https://slatestarcodex.com/2013/10/20/the-anti-reactionary-faq/

[Anonymous No.19867238]

>>19867097
Don't mormons have higher IQ then the jews?

[Anonymous No.19867302]

>>19864942

At some point Jews and spergs realized that normies were dumb animals then decided to team up and exploit this. And here are now

[Anonymous No.19867307]

>>19864743
>And the Zoomers? -- completely worthless. I think something like 1/3 of Zoomers are gay.
God it's the cryllenial

[Anonymous No.19867313]

>>19865057

Lets go Brandon, lets go! Lets go Brandon, lets go! Lets go Brandon, lets go Brandon, lets go Brandon, lets go! Yaaaaaay!

[Anonymous No.19867335]

Why the fuck is this thread full of jew hating /pol/tards, when you hate said politics?

[Anonymous No.19867401]

>Also please no Tocqueville autism, yes he was insightful, no he is no longer relevant.
If you want to read the modern Tocqueville then you should read Wang Huning's America against America. Get it form libgen it isnt sold anymore. He is quite literally the brains behind the Xi regime

You should read some Jean Baudrillard to understand why most people are complete schizos these days and maybe some Gustave Le Bon

[Anonymous No.19867411]

>>19867401

Most of Tocqueville's observations clearly apply to America today. OP is a pseud and coping

[Anonymous No.19867418]

>>19866640
Brando Sando is a Mormon, I think.

[Anonymous No.19867435]

>>19867411
Yes but Wang Huning IS the equivalent today
His book is extremely interesting and gives an insight on how China today views Amerigolems

https://palladiummag.com/2021/10/11/the-triumph-and-terror-of-wang-huning/

[Anonymous No.19867465]

the mass psychology of fascism by wilhelm reich. america is not a fascist country, but, the book does a good job of explaining how sexual repression leads to political longings that are detached from reality

you can't talk about the current state of america without talking about americans' attitude toward sex. american culture as a whole is still terrified of nudity. even our progressives are offended by sexy women in media now. despite the fact that porn is freely available, this is a country that nonetheless is terrified of nudity and its sexual longings.

america is a country of psychotic sexual frustration

[Anonymous No.19867715]

>>19867313
dios mio la creatura...

[Anonymous No.19867731]

>>19864783
>Conservatives are a little more in touch with reality
lmfao

[Anonymous No.19867736]

>>19867435
This reads like any other sensationalist American drivel, you might as well be reading Vogue magazine or the New York Times. I don't know how you can take this seriously, I started a bemused disconnection less than 1 paragraph in; this is a bunch of bullshit.

[Anonymous No.19867747]

>>19867465
>hurr durr it all comes down to sex
easy there Fraud, I mean Freud

[Anonymous No.19867750]

>>19865057
>skimpy outfit
Inshallah brother. She deserves to be stoned in the public square.

[Anonymous No.19867781]

>>19865786
How the fuck do low literacy levels cost the US anything, let alone 2.2 trillion a year? This sounds like bullshit, anyone can make anything a statistic, that doesn't make it true.

>>19865748
Population projections further than 10 years into the future are pure bullshit. Historically they are always wrong, but practically they are laughable. You think just because some autist made a gif predicting the mormon population 100 years from now it's true? Mormon birth rates are on the decline, no reasonable person thinks the American west is going to be reading Joseph Smith in the future, they are going to be reading the bible in Spanish.

[Anonymous No.19867787]

>>19867781

[Anonymous No.19867792]

>>19867731
Remember that time Trump lost because of his own stupidity ( don't forget as they were counting he was STOP THE COUNT on states he was 'winning', and KEEP COUNTING on states where he was losing), then he spent the next few weeks calling state governors asking them to invalidate the results of the election (results their own GOP legislatures validated and certified), spewing drivel and lies, filling frivolous lawsuits that got them laughed out of court by TRUMP APPOINTED JUDGES (and let's not forget Giuliani whining about "fraud", then when in front of the Judge, "this isn't about fraud", multiple times), and after multiple recounts and audits conducted by the GOP themselves (which often ended up giving Sleepy Joe more votes), and confirming for the 9th time that Blumpf lost, Conservatards be like

>LIBS STOLE THE ELECTION

Pepperidge Farms remember

[Anonymous No.19867798]

>>19867792
rent free

[Anonymous No.19867810]

>>19867798
What a loser lmao. Sad!

[Anonymous No.19867822]

>>19867810
How does he live in leftoids head rent free for so many years?

[Anonymous No.19867826]

>>19866569
Those pictures are very clearly all eastern European.

[Anonymous No.19867841]

>>19867822
>asks the Conservatard after frothing at the mouth for 20+ years over Hillary
Being fascinated at how much of a fucking idiot do you have to be to throw away an easily winnable election against a wet towel, in the middle of a pandemic /=/ "muh rent free"

Not American btw (thank God), enjoy your declining empire

[Anonymous No.19867847]

>>19867841
This is just projection, combined with schizophrenia

[Anonymous No.19867854]

>>19867847
whatever makes you feel better mutt

[Anonymous No.19867856]

>>19867854
rent free

[Anonymous No.19867882]

>>19867747
yeas its very easy to dismiss in the way you are doing. but america is very obviously a country of incredible sexual hang-ups, and this is true regardless if you want to dismiss it or not

[Anonymous No.19867958]

>>19866538
Thanks for one book.

[Anonymous No.19867973]

>>19864705
Most Americans don't care much about politics. The ones who do care a lot are overrepresented on social media like Facebook, Reddit, 4chan, etc., plus media also stokes political division for clicks, so if you just look at media it seems that Americans are obsessed with politics. But if you go hang out with Americans, usually they talk more about work, family, sports, etc. than about politics. The politics junkies like me are a small minority.

[Anonymous No.19867989]

>>19864864
White fertility rate is not much lower than the other races':
https://www.statista.com/statistics/226292/us-fertility-rates-by-race-and-ethnicity/
(2019 data)

[Anonymous No.19868002]

>>19864864
White fertility rate is not much lower than the other races':
https://www.statista.com/statistics/226292/us-fertility-rates-by-race-and-ethnicity/
(2019 data)

[Anonymous No.19868014]

>>19867822
Why does Hillary still get brought up? Trump is more relevant considering he's talking about running again and is in the news almost every day whereas shillary hasn't been mentioned by the mainstream news in ages

[Anonymous No.19868021]

>>19864705
>enters thread
>right-click save OP image
>leave
>jerk off

[Anonymous No.19868316]

>>19868002
Yes, but immigration exists, and it isn't Europeans coming to America or Europe. U'duh...

[Anonymous No.19868361]

>>19867958
You are welcome.

[Anonymous No.19868367]

>>19867313
That face isn't real, right? Like its photoshopped or something?

[Anonymous No.19868377]

The Madness of Crowds by Douglas Murray

[Anonymous No.19868380]

>>19864705
>understand the current political climate in the US?
unz.com

[Anonymous No.19868442]

>>19867736
Ok, that was just a random article, it likely IS drivel, just read the actual book instead since that was the original recommendation anyways

[Anonymous No.19868463]

>>19868014
Who? Rent freeeee

[Anonymous No.19868466]

>>19868021
The only correct response

[Anonymous No.19868472]

>>19867854
damn can't believe they sell metaphysical apartments so cheap
>>19867847
this

[Anonymous No.19868587]

>>19867792
>>19867810

[Anonymous No.19868672]

>>19864705
>Also please no Tocqueville autism, yes he was insightful, no he is no longer relevant.
cringe

[Anonymous No.19868752]

>>19868672
This board has some weird autistic obsession with Tocqueville, I can't tell if it is ironic or not at this point.

[Anonymous No.19868803]

Lasch

[Anonymous No.19869394]

>>19864705
Hate Inc. by Matt Taibbi.

[Anonymous No.19869462]

>>19865786
>New Hampshire highest
>California lowest
Well that explains it.

[Anonymous No.19869485]

Hinterland by Phil Neel

[Anonymous No.19869510]

I don't think most people realize just how mentally ill zoomers are. Genuinely, 1/2 is gay/tranny or at the very least "bisexual" for social clout (that this is a status symbol should speak for itself). Most of them have no conception of the world past what they see online.

[Anonymous No.19869963]

>>19867781
More efficient workers can increase value and more productivity.

Less ppl will die if they could read their schizo prescriptions.

[Anonymous No.19869974]

>>19867973
That's a lie

[Anonymous No.19870032]

>>19869963
>More efficient workers can increase value and more productivity.
lol but if your job requires you to read and you can't how the fuck did you get it?

[Anonymous No.19870104]

>>19866569
These always make me cry man

[Anonymous No.19870203]

>>19865748
>2 data points

[Anonymous No.19870425]

>>19864864
But all the boomers are going to pass that wealth onto their kids. I really don't see how them dying is a problem for the stability of the U.S.

[Anonymous No.19870441]

>>19864942
Yeah this is true. Its really strange too. Liberals have the knee jerk reaction too; it's slightly less exaggerated but it's still there Im not sure why. The other day ww2 came up with my fairly liberal family and they got a little pissed when I suggested that the ussr bore the brunt of the war with all their casualities. That was immediately interpreted as me questioning or discounting the importance of the U.S's intervention.

[Anonymous No.19870446]

>>19870425
rofl thanks for the laugh anon

[Anonymous No.19870487]

>>19870446
What else are they going to do with their money?

[Anonymous No.19870521]

>>19867781
>they are going to be reading the bible in Spanish.

Spanish language skills and church going both decrease with 3+ and greater generation hispanics, so i doubt they'll be reading the bible, let alone anything in spansh

[Anonymous No.19870526]

>>19870487
Spend it. Boomers are the most selfish and entitled generation in the history of the world, you're insane if you think they are leaving their kids anything. I know 3 older people on my block who have reverse mortgages on their home (2 of which are the 4th and 3rd generation to live in said home). They are genuine scum who think everything after their midlife crisis is one big afterparty. None of them need the money, but they want the new car , the new big TV, etc and those also all probably on credit.

And even if home ownership wasn't plummeting and intergenerational wealth a myth, it's not just about money. All of the government edifices and political power have been hollowed out by these boomers. It's going to be vastly more difficult for their kids to get any kind of representation.

[Anonymous No.19870560]

>>19864781
>imperial monarchy
based. The future is looking good.

[Anonymous No.19870579]

>>19864942
>You're best off by reading media criticism lit as it's majorly focused on American media (check the sticky for recs). Documentaries like Hypernormalisation are also helpful critiques on the American mentality. It's very difficult for Americans to escape their hyperbole and tunnel vision perspectives, so you have to take much more into account than a single particular author.
There's some book in China about the the coming fall of the United States or something that is apparently super popular must read there
Someone on here said there was a partial translation but I didn't see it

[Anonymous No.19870588]

>>19870579
>There's some book in China about the the coming fall of the United States or something that is apparently super popular must read there

I don't know how much stock I would put in something like that. There are countless examples of similar books from other countries. Soviet books about the" collapse of American capitalism", American books about China undergoing a democratic revolution in the 90s etc..

Those kind of books speak more about elite anxieties in their respective countries than any serious historical inquiry.

[Anonymous No.19870601]

>>19870579
>>19870588
it was this
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/58844127-america-against-america
a "mostly intelligible" deepl translation
https://archive.org/details/america-against-america

apparently Chinese were buying out of print copies it for like 2500 after the jan 6th shit

[Anonymous No.19870617]

>>19870560
This post >>19865234 about Spengler and Caesarism and Caesar and Rome roughly corresponds to my own thoughts, though I confess I haven't read any of Spengler's actual stuff.

I have become convinced for a while that, because the Founding Fathers deliberately modeled the United States after the Roman Republic, they created a country that would ultimately mirror Rome's fate. The Founders thought they could create a republic like Rome's that would not collapse into an empire like Rome's, hence the ways that the United States Constitution DOES differ from the way the Roman Republic was ruled.

But my contention is that the Founders didn't change enough. Or that America was, paradoxically, unfortunately blessed. Rome's republic began to collapse when it reached imperial hegemony and now America's is doing the same.

In fact, in almost supernatural eeriness, the United States has mirrored Rome's ascent and dominance, and also its troubles. What started as a small republic hugging a coast has expanded across a continent and become a mighty land empire. It has also acquired a powerful navy, which it uses to dominate the waters of the known world.

It rose to power as the old empires and powers of the known world faded and collapsed. It was briefly opposed by another, rival superpower, and there was an extended series of conflicts between the two. But the rival superpower was destroyed, and collapsed, and this formerly small republic has now achieved utter hegemony, and mastery of practically all the world, with the exception of a holdout or two in the east.

Am I talking about Rome, or America? I could be talking about either. Like I said, it's eerie.

So I think America is basically where Rome was in the 2nd or 1st Century BC. We've defeated the Soviet Union, which was our Carthage. We are the hegemons. But now the strain of empire is cracking our republic apart and I think it's too far gone to stop. What comes next is Caesar.

Well, technically what comes next is Pompey, since I think Trump is a Marius/Gracchi type figure and Biden is a Sulla type.

Or maybe it won't be QUITE the same.

But it's been strangely similar so far, so why wouldn't that continue?

[Anonymous No.19870654]

>>19870617
>In fact, in almost supernatural eeriness, the United States has mirrored Rome's ascent and dominance, and also its troubles. What started as a small republic hugging a coast has expanded across a continent and become a mighty land empire. It has also acquired a powerful navy, which it uses to dominate the waters of the known world.
>It rose to power as the old empires and powers of the known world faded and collapsed. It was briefly opposed by another, rival superpower, and there was an extended series of conflicts between the two. But the rival superpower was destroyed, and collapsed, and this formerly small republic has now achieved utter hegemony, and mastery of practically all the world, with the exception of a holdout or two in the east.
Isn't this basically the history of any dominant society, not just Rome or America.
Starts small.
Defeats local enemies.
Gains more power.
Cycle continues until you lose to your enemy and someone else takes your spot in the rankings, but now they have access to the history and knowledge of your civilization.
Sometimes nature gets the best of you instead of a rival power.

[Anonymous No.19870658]

>>19864705
Read David Stockman. He was the budget director under Reagan.

Every problem is economic. I don't mean that in some gay Marxist way, it's just a fact, if people weren't so hopelessly poor they wouldn't be stupid and bored enough to participate in the political bread and circuses this thread is obsessing over.

Reagan was the worst president the United States has ever had. He destroyed this country. You can read about the changes to anti trust laws and the tax code that enabled Reagan to eviscerate the American middle class and begin the total destruction of small businesses. Walmart and Amazon could not exist today if not for Reagan, who did everything he could to destroy the average American. Read Stockman.

[Anonymous No.19870676]

>>19870617
Even in terms of genetics/populations it is a mirror.

We now know that Imperial Roman cities were full of all kinds of "Eastern" types who had shown up chasing economic riches. They flocked to the cities to chase wealth, the real Romans (R1b U152 Latin) noticed this and wrote despairingly about it.

After the Empire fell these genetic profiles disappear again from the record and the pre-existing genetic types repopulate the cities.

I imagine after the American mantle falls many Asian "Americans", South Indians and even some recent hispanic immigrants will simply pack up and return to their home country or head to whatever the next economic hotspot is. Their loyalty to America will be shown to have been hollow and momentary.

Then it will be left to the "real" Americans to repopulate the country. By "real" Americans I am speaking of whites, blacks, native americans and hispanics who had been here for many generations. Bob the white truck driver from Omaha and Ronnie the black driver from Tallahassee might seem like they have nothing in common but when the shit hits the fan they will still be living in the USA long after Patel, Singh, Park, Wong etc.. have sold their houses and left as quickly as they had come.

[Anonymous No.19870702]

>>19869394
trash stop googling answers faggot

[Anonymous No.19870715]

>>19870526
I think you're being hysterical and melodramatic. Most selfish ever .... based on what? I think you're just envious of their wealth. Your view is based purely on internet memes. Won't speak for them all I'm sure there are some as selfish as you describe but I know I have good parents that will leave me something.

[Anonymous No.19870753]

>>19865451
QED?

[Anonymous No.19870764]

>>19870676
>I imagine after the American mantle falls many Asian "Americans", South Indians and even some recent hispanic immigrants will simply pack up and return to their home country or head to whatever the next economic hotspot is. Their loyalty to America will be shown to have been hollow and momentary.
i can attest to this as an australian
although my parents are from the balkans, a lot of my parents friends and family who are also from there just packed up and went back around the time when covid hit because the economy went to shit

immigrants only have loyalty to money or their family

[Anonymous No.19870772]

>>19864705
Actual list?

Why Liberalism Failed by Patrick Deneen
The End of History and the Last Man by Francis Fukuyama
Democracy in America by de Tocqueville (OP is a faggot by the way)
Voltaire's Bastards by John Ralston Saul
Culture of Narcissism by Christopher Lasch
America by Jean Baudrillard

[Anonymous No.19870774]

>>19865748
I'm sickened by the number of upcoming brother wars that are going to have to be fought before actual demographic issues are addressed, namely expulsions and returns to sender.

[Anonymous No.19870817]

This book doesn’t explain everything and its hot takes are far from legitimate. But I’m 100 pages in and still enjoying the rough overview.

[Anonymous No.19870899]

>>19870032
Well there's the way /pol/ would answer this but there's loads of jobs where reading is *optional* or quite frankly just assumed on behalf of the candidate.

I know someone that worked for the state in the south and they had to help ppl get jobs. These ppl literally hand wrote their resumes, which unironically looked like it was written by a five year old but with a 3 year period of residence at so and so correctional facility. Most the jobs they went to apply in person bc emailing or faxing resumes would just get ignored. These jobs would be things like bagger at a grocery store, garbage collector, janitor, etc.

Now these jobs don't necessarily need any real reading ability, but a more literate person could perhaps read their punch card, manual, warning signs, directions, etc. in order to be better at the job or not fuck it up anyway.

Didn't read a warning sign, gets hurt or killed, becomes a cost to society
Didn't read manual, doesn't know how to do a certain task the correct way, causes logistic bottlenecks or general errors
Didn't read directions on trash collecting route, misses some houses, homeowners take on cost to face state bureaucracy to find out why their trash is now polluted across the entire street due to winds and neighborhood dogs getting at it

Etc etc... All these tiny insignificant things all build up for a country with the population of 300m due to the costs of people being illiterate, which goes hand in hand with critical thinking skills to not fuck basic shit up.

[Anonymous No.19870910]

>>19870441
Yeah I like to call it patriot testing which can only happen in countries wrapped in an echo chamber of nationalism, jingoism, and cultural isolation. It existed long before the recent wave of populism.

Just check out Ned Price's reaction to a journo asking for proof about bidens doj accusation that Russia is currently planning a false flag attack in Ukraine. He basically said you either have faith in the US govt or you're a Russian spy. These are dems with the same talking points as republicans.

>>19870579
>>19870588
>>19870601
Probably worth a read. As I said though there's not going to be any one source Nostradamus on the topic so it's best to pick at things for good points, even if it's not all entirely agreeable.

[Anonymous No.19870950]

>>19864705
Chaos

[Anonymous No.19870953]

>>19870560
This. A philosopher king is better than the tyranny of mob 'elections' placing corperate stooges in power.

[Anonymous No.19870957]

>>19867302
Giving the mob bread and circuses has been a meme since rome anon.

[Anonymous No.19870961]

>>19868367
It appears to be downs syndrome

[Anonymous No.19870964]

>>19868316
Thanks lbj and thank you cia for murdering kennedy and placing him in power so the cost of labor can be driven down indefinately by rampant immigration.

[Anonymous No.19870969]

>>19870899
Why do you sound esl?

[Anonymous No.19870970]

>>19864781
God I fucking hope

[Anonymous No.19870974]

>>19867313
Holy based.

[Anonymous No.19870976]

>>19865100
To be fair they inhereted the immigration reform act of 1965, the deep state/mic, income tax from fdr. The great generation are the real archetects of Americas complete distruction. Baby boomers were doing the acid the cia gave them and listening to the cia doors while all that shit was happening.

[Anonymous No.19870981]

>>19870964
Are you retarded? It was Reagan's amnesty that was the nail in the coffin, before that it was at least an issue.

[Anonymous No.19870990]

i think this book sums up america quite well

[Anonymous No.19870992]

>>19870981
The immigration reform act was the coffin.

[Anonymous No.19871039]

>>19870992
the american civil war was the final nail

[Anonymous No.19871068]

>>19870990
Damn, I already wear my ties loose and below the collar but I never thought to pop my shirt collar too. Really shows off the flaired casual look. I dig it.

[Anonymous No.19871087]

>>19868752
He's hardly ever posted. Seethe and do it for free.

[Anonymous No.19871092]

>>19871068
a toast! to superior fashion sensibilities!

[Anonymous No.19871214]

>>19866716
Never realized this until now. Sandy Petersen instantly came to mind when you mentioned this, I'm sure there are many more.

[Anonymous No.19871290]

>>19870969
Cause I'm on my phone writing Reddit long paragraphs while taking a shit.

[Anonymous No.19871336]

>>19864705
Public Opinion (1922, Lippmann)
Crystallizing Public Opinion (1923, Bernays)
Propaganda (1928, Bernays)
War is a Racket (1935, Major General Smedley Butler)
Seem to be some of the major pioneers on the nature of propaganda

[Anonymous No.19871425]

>>19865057
Haha yeah an airheaded girl how unappealing

[Anonymous No.19871528]

Post a Tocqueville quote or the janny will get paid.

[Anonymous No.19871553]

>>19870676
>I imagine after the American mantle falls many Asian "Americans", South Indians and even some recent hispanic immigrants will simply pack up and return to their home country or head to whatever the next economic hotspot is
I agree with this assessment. Modern Greeks and Romans are similar to their Classical ancestors, and a similar phenomenon has happened in other massive civilizations. But other societies have vanished in history under the same process. Modern Chinese were not an ethnicity in original Chinese civilization. They were calcified in the days Spengler would see as the winter phase, the decayed imperial phase.
The original founding population seems to be lost forever, and absorbed the surrounding barbarians (and I'm not talking about the Mongols, Jurchens, Koreans, or Japanese, but the neighboring barbarians which became indistinguishable from the Chinese).
If there was a civil war in the US, which is perfectly possible (though not in the way many people think), the US would almost instantly depopulate.

[Anonymous No.19871591]

>>19870617
>Well, technically what comes next is Pompey, since I think Trump is a Marius/Gracchi type figure and Biden is a Sulla type.
As someone very familiar with Spengler's work (and in the study of Caesarism, which was not necessarily a critical Spenglerian topic), I think Trump is a forecast of Caesar, or the Caesar-man. But he hasn't played any substantive role in that fact. And so are men like Bernie Sanders or Obama. This is not an indictment on any of them, per se, but rather what they represent: the people putting their "hope" into a hero cult, and unlike the previous century, genuinely expecting all these policies which theoretically dispose of Republican and Democratic institutions. It proves Spengler right that so many things have gone morphologically down his path that he would never predict (the EU, for instance).
Not one of these would-be Caesar figures was an actual Julius Caesar. They had no spectacular will-to-power. The problem is none of them are that different from their opponents. They're all the same kind of man. They play the same games. Trump is a money man, and not a blood-man. This is a key distinction which makes him very much not a Caesar. Caesar is thusly because he's a man of blood, somebody who breaks the unwritten rules of public politics.
Really, Sulla was the first "Caesar." He led the permanent fracture to the Republic. Julius Caesar ended it, and Octavian became the first true morphological Caesar. One day, someone will play the Trump game. Except they won't be Trump, they'll be hungry for power, pragmatic, shrewd, and ruthless. Sulla, Caesar and Pompey, the titans of this last transition, bring in *force* politics of individual ambition against *money* politics or politics of ideas. As ruthless pragmatists, they solve a lot of problems, but not from any ideological POV.
In the next few decades, I think we'll see an American Sulla. The first autocrat, a transitional figure, who will lead the first blow, but not the last one. He'll probably be the last ever meaningful ideologue our civilization produces.

[Anonymous No.19871623]

>>19864705
Any books to help me get an american girl impregnated? Thank you.

[Anonymous No.19871790]

>>19865786
People who cant read or write in English are almost always foreign.

[Anonymous No.19871871]

>>19866411
>Albion's Seed is no books
Nah its like 2

[Anonymous No.19871883]

>>19866569
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I hate being 19!
> I hate being 19!
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[Anonymous No.19872021]

>>19870425
Wait for Biden's "tax reform"

[Anonymous No.19872296]

>>19865508
Ukraine is not Congo tier poor. It's just very poor for being a nation with a European population.

[Anonymous No.19872441]

>>19870425
Hahahahaha no they won't do you have any idea how much assisted living costs? It's like 15 grand a month. The last few years people spend hundreds of thousands to millions. Nobody gets shit not to mention death tax.

[Anonymous No.19872559]

>>19871553
Going on the Spengler theme:

He argued the original root stock of Americans was formed during the Revolution and Civil War and always exists in the "fellah" state in the countryside.

I think after the American "Empire" falls (either in terms of violence, economic slowdown etc) the economic opportunists who had monopolized the cities (Chinese, South Indians, Middle Easterns, Jews, many recent Hispanics etc) will boil away like the Levantine and Syrian merchants who had populated Rome in the 2nd/3rd centuries did. They will die off, return home or simply move onto the next economic metropolis.

Like in Rome the original founding population, who had coalesced in the countryside will flow back into the cities. In Rome that founding stock were the Latin peoples of Italy, in America I think that founding stock (I,E, the type that most typified what it means to be an "American") are a multiracial (I am not necessarily implying racially mixed) coalition of Whites, Blacks who trace their ancestry to the enslaved Africans, Native Americans of course and a small minority of the "Hispanic" population who have been living within the present United States for 100+ years (mostly found in New Mexico, southern Colorado, parts of Texas etc)

[Anonymous No.19872567]

>>19867097
True

[Anonymous No.19872611]

Americans are dumb and easily manipulated. Cmv.

[Anonymous No.19872829]

>>19870425
Maybe if you are in a lucky 1% where your family has real wealth. Boomers won't leave you shit. They will be lucky to keep their standards of living until their death. They are greedy and selfish and think they will die on a pot a gold but they really won't unless they are worth more than a couple million dollars.

[Anonymous No.19872847]

>>19872559
This checks out. Rural America is the same genetically as it was a century ago, while the big cities in America now have huge amounts of Indians, Chinese, Pakis on top of those who were already there. I'm not racist, I don't dislike these guys, but mass immigration at a time when the country is spiritually divided and more lost than ever just feels like America's about to tip over and die, and all the world's players are lined up like vultures up above waiting to swoop down and feast on its corpse, salvaging whatever they can.

[Anonymous No.19872862]

>>19864864
Their homes and property will be sold to real estate corporations and bill gates. The wealth will not decentralized. It will be more centralized. The rich will get richer and we will get poorer.

[Anonymous No.19872937]

>>19865116
The US is surviving right now off momentum. It's spiritually weak, and if it faces any major external threat it just might crumple. Why do you think Russia has been poking at all these weaknesses of America the last few years? They're testing the waters.

[Anonymous No.19872963]

>>19866521
no idea

[Anonymous No.19873080]

>>19872937
They can have ukraine none of us give a shit. I just want boomers to die off already.

[Anonymous No.19873090]

>>19873080
>they can just have poland none of us give a shit we just want the great depression to end already
The jews don't want peace.

[Anonymous No.19873185]

>>19872441
Youre full of shit. I just looked up the avg in my state and it's like 3000 a month. A lot of money but if youre parents aren't retarded by the time theyre 80 they should have enough money saved for that. Also you could take care of your parents yourself? That's what my aunt does for my grandparents to save $.

[Anonymous No.19873198]

>>19864783
>You're far more likely to find a conservative who can properly describe the state of America
SATANIC PEDOPHILE CULTS IN A PIZZERIA SPACE LASER JEWISH SATELLITES OBAMA IS A MUSLIM AHHHM I'M COOONSERVING

[Anonymous No.19873210]

>>19873185
The average is brought down by medicare funded prison tier facilities anon. And it depends on if they need sponge baths, mobility help, alsheimers, etc. If they have a stroke good luck.

[Anonymous No.19873219]

>>19873198
Now that epsteins island turned out to be real this isn't aging so well.

[Anonymous No.19873247]

>>19873219
>gets one thing right after how many years of schizoid ramblings
wow sounds like true Conservative™

[Anonymous No.19873254]

>>19870910
>He basically said you either have faith in the US govt or you're a Russian spy.
Oh yeah I see that with some Democrats constant paranoia that anyone who questions U.S foreign policy is a russian shill. There are actual russian shills of course but a lot of it I think sometimes is only a way to automatically make Americans distrustful of any source that isn't the U.S state . The paranoia runs deep imo the lingering effects of cold war propaganda ... Or propaganda that never ended. Ive showed yt videos before to my mom where the person has a Slavic accent and she immediately gets suspicious.

[Anonymous No.19873277]

>>19873254
>Have admitted that Russia is their (Trump Co.) biggest client
>Hangs out with Russia mobs/intelligence,, literally staying at Trump Tower
>Have been laundering money for the Russians since the 80s
>"OMG HOW DARE U THINK BLUMPF MIGHT BE COMPROMISED?? JUST BECAUSE HE OWES MONEY TO A BUNCH OF RUSSIANS DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING HURR DURR "DEMOCRAT PARANOIA"

[Anonymous No.19873289]

>>19864705
Attractive people are more likely to be conservative. You don't really need a book for that.

[Anonymous No.19873292]

>>19873247
Well I'm an anarchist but isn't cnn run by pedos and rapists too? Like maybe in 2016 you guys had something but currently you look like the fascist dictatorship. Especially when orange man was passing tariffs, immigration regulation, and trade agreements to protect workers which used to be the labor party socialist move. Idk man clown world seems like the dems are republicans now and the republicans are liberal socialists.

[Anonymous No.19873304]

>>19873292
>isn't cnn run by pedos and rapists too?
and?
you voted for a guy who hits on his own daughter, was friends with Epstein and liked to look at underage girls getting dressed. Where is your outrage? CNN doesn't run the country

[Anonymous No.19873312]

>>19873304
Lol you think I believe in voting?

[Anonymous No.19873316]

>>19873312
fair enough

[Anonymous No.19873326]

>>19865159
There has always been infighting and factionalism, yes, but it was always believed to be necessary. Now it isn't.
I don't think a collapse of the sort that hit the USSR will happen to America, but something is going to and already has drastically changed.

[Anonymous No.19873433]

>>19869510
It's not typically a status symbol in groups of men, but yes, frightening how much influence social media has. It emphasizes this by categorizing everyone and separating based on categories, so people ignore those they don't recognize or have business with on the street.

[Anonymous No.19873514]

>>19873277
Sperg harder. I said Russia has shills and I'm not denying their involvement with Trump's campaign. But do please continue addressing points I never made.

[Anonymous No.19873519]

>>19873514
Also I am a democrat. I'm more talking about this mentality that anything which questions U.S foreign policy is automatically suspect or a Russian operation.

[Anonymous No.19873910]

>>19873519
Democrats were pushing hard for a Russian Reset less than 10 years ago until Euromaidan happened, then the democrats did a complete 180 on Russia, and their mindless cattle fell in line as you can see by that one precious mouthbreathing idiot itt. But that's just politics.

>>19864942 is dead-on. It's an expression of political identity that's shallow and hollow, such that the people who do this tend to have blind loyalty to their party and their country while knowing very little about both. They identify very strongly with both so they interpret any sort of attack on either as an attack on them. Take away that identity and they'd be nothing.

[Anonymous No.19874039]

>>19871528
This. Banning tocquevillefag was the nail in the coffin for this board.

[Anonymous No.19874207]

>>19864705
There are so many books that you can't really go through all of them anyhow. This country's going to hell in a handbasket in every conceivable way, and the time for theory's over.
That said;
Read everything by Jean Baudrillard
Everything by Byung-Chul Han
Society and the Spectacle by Guy Debord
The Technological Society by Jacques Ellul
I think it's a given that the French Postmodernists were right on the nose, even borderline prophetic if I say so myself about the problems that would plague the US, and the West in general.

[Anonymous No.19874258]

>>19874039
he shouldn't be banned but those guys were annoying schizos. every few months we seem to get a group of them or one really dedicated one.

[Anonymous No.19874415]

>>19874258
How are literature threads bad?

[Anonymous No.19874423]

>>19864768
Put your mask back on sweetie

[Anonymous No.19874515]

>>19874415
They don't appear to be bad until you read and become one of us. Unless you read, you wouldn't understand.

[Anonymous No.19874558]

Republicans
>NO YOU CAN'T OWN A PEANUT FARM AS A PRESIDENT, THAT'S DANGEROUS
>why are Libtards sooooo pissed off? Just because Blumpf has business interests with shady Russian organizations and individuals doesn't mean Russia could manipulate him. No biggie.

[Anonymous No.19874583]

>>19874558
FUCK BLONALD BLUMPF

[Anonymous No.19874741]

>>19874558
Why are leftists obsessed with muh Russia? Texas has a higher GDP than Russia. The only reason they are even remotely relevant is because they have nukes. All those Russia investigations into Zognald were based on a fake dossier paid for and created by the Clinton campaign.

[Anonymous No.19874750]

>>19874558
>OF COURSE THE RUSSIANS HACKED THE ELECTION OUR NATIONAL SECURITY IS AT STAKE HERE
>lmao are you stupid? election fraud is ridiculous shut up the votes aren't illegitimate just because you don't like the outcome!

[Anonymous No.19874753]

>>19874515
so pretend to read and spam twitter and waldunkino. got it.

[Anonymous No.19874756]

>>19874750
giga kek

[Anonymous No.19874765]

>>19870974

>holy based

[Anonymous No.19875294]

>>19874207
Baudrillard and Debord are too vague, they're basically writing in metaphors and riddles.

[Anonymous No.19875534]

There's nothing better than Tocqueville.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is a pseud.

[Anonymous No.19875621]

>>19870617
>they created a country that would ultimately mirror Rome's fate.
Does this mean that in 2000 years there will be a whole bunch of tiny North American countries all claiming to be the heirs to the United States? Holy kino

[Anonymous No.19875717]

>>19867313

[Anonymous No.19875720]

>>19874765

[Anonymous No.19875730]

>>19873304

[Anonymous No.19875733]

>>19867313
>>19874765
>>19875717
>>19875720
>>19875730
This is the lowest form of discourse. It doesn't get any worse.

[Anonymous No.19875739]

>>19875733

[Anonymous No.19875759]

Why do people think that America is so radically different now than it was in the past? Have any of you ever taken an American history course? America's history is full of racial conflict, class conflict, urban vs. rural divide, animosity, identity politics, hatred of immigrants, love of immigrants -- its all been a giant fucking disgusting mess and hodgepodge of yellow journalism and hating other Americans. FOREVER.

We've literally always been like this.

[Anonymous No.19875967]

>>19875759
>We've literally always been like this.
And it's fucking based, until it all falls apart.
The basic idea is that there's nobody holding a gun to my head saying I must think or act a certain way. It's only been the past 100 years or less that authoritarianism has been significantly increasing, which has been reducing the capacity for an individual to exercise their right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

[Anonymous No.19876098]

>>19875967
I dunno man. That whole Civil War thing definitely instituted a level of communal understanding that must be maintained. Otherwise they unleash the William Tecumseh Sherman Mech to kick off Civil War 2

[Anonymous No.19876256]

>>19875759
This is what they want you to believe. That ever thing is just up to status. That it's okay that things are getting worse because it's just normal.

[Anonymous No.19876446]

>things were better back then, now is terrible
>Back then: higher rate of crime and violence, more drugs and junkies but not documented, race wars and riots
>NO! I MEAN LOOK AT THIS NORMAN ROCKWELL PAINTING! LIKE THIS!? WHERE IS IT?

Conservatives...

[Anonymous No.19876464]

>>19864743
Can you think of an example of a country that's doing any better?

[Anonymous No.19876482]

>>19869510
>Most of them have no conception of the world past what they see online
>Genuinely, 1/2 is gay/tranny or at the very least "bisexual"

[Anonymous No.19876498]

https://www.cia.gov/library/abbottabad-compound/3F/3F56ACA473044436B4C1740F65D5C3B6_Sayyid_Qutb_-_The_America_I_Have_Seen.pdf

Supplementary text that I didn't see mentioned in the thread

[Anonymous No.19876499]

>>19864768
There's nobody more self absorbed than fags. The first step to being a dentist is caring enough about something to push through the challenge of getting the education. The more people who are obsessed with packing their fudge the fewer there are who care about anything actually important or meaningfully impact the lives of others.

[Anonymous No.19876510]

>>19864781
The boomers fucking suck just at much as anyone else and have just as many blind spots.

[Anonymous No.19876545]

>SATANIC PEDOPHILE CULTS IN A PIZZERIA SPACE LASER JEWISH SATELLITES OBAMA IS A MUSLIM AHHHM I'M COOONSERVING

[Anonymous No.19877015]

>>19867097
They are a theological group with wealth and an agenda...as a european I can tell you that this is very significant in the history of nation.

[Anonymous No.19877118]

>>19876446
Back then when? Crime rose after the 60s through the 70s, and hit peaks in the 90s as well. It was going down through the 2000s til major cities mysteriously saw rising crime after 2020.
Drug use is absolutely rampant now, more than ever. Wages have linearly stagnated. IQ and literacy are collapsing. Education is worse than ever, after decades of appeasing the retards that the education system. Things are getting worse for regular people.

[Anonymous No.19877155]

>>19864864
The thing is, Latino isn't a race and most Latinos moving in are at least 50% white. Pure Aztecs are nearly extinct.

The great replacement already happened during the last round of mass immigration-- most American whites are of German descent.

[Anonymous No.19877157]

The Civil War never truly ended, so perhaps read up on that conflict.

[Anonymous No.19877168]

Americans seem to really hate each other. Seem more like a confederation of tribes who can barely suffer living on the same landmass as each other.

[Anonymous No.19877236]

>>19877155
>and most Latinos moving in are at least 50% white.
lol dream on
90% of all of the Mexicans I see are 4 ft goblins

[Anonymous No.19877279]

[Anonymous No.19877281]

[Anonymous No.19877407]

>>19876464
Yes.

[Anonymous No.19877439]

>>19867798
the rent free response is always the most retarded. do you think that just because people are discussing someone (who in this case was the president of the United States) that it is some epic own and that these people are constantly "coping and seething" that this person is living in their head rent free? The terms "cope", "seethe, and "rent free have ruined any form of conversation on the internet that it was possible to achieve. Now any form of political discourse seems to be about ascertaining who has made their opponent "cope and seethe" the hardest and the greatest success is if you manage to live rent free in their heads.

[Anonymous No.19877468]

>>19877168
I am 100% for succession into multiple smaller countries. Eastoids have nothing in common with desert rats like me. They live in a completely different country of over population, over taxation, no freedom, no mountains, nowhere free of people, pollution, surveillance, and depression. I can drive 2 hours into a pine forest, 2 hours into a desert, and go shoot an ak47 while smoking a bong away from the disgusting city and actually see stars. East coasters may as well be canadians.

[Anonymous No.19877471]

>>19877439
Rent free cope.

[Anonymous No.19877617]

>>19877155
cringe Angloid

[Anonymous No.19878492]

>>19866403
This. Lasch was 30 years ahead of his time

[Anonymous No.19879125]

>>19877407
China is a shit hole

[Anonymous No.19879129]

I will shill this damn book until the revolution happens.

[Anonymous No.19879180]

>>19879129
Just started on this a day ago!

[Anonymous No.19879218]

>>19864705
Wtf is this Brandon guy?

[Anonymous No.19879623]

Surprised no one has posted this classic from the 70’s.
Hold’s up well despite the Freudianism & dated cultural references.
Overall thesis is majorly applicable to the 21st century American political/societal/mental landscape.

[Anonymous No.19879654]

>>19868803
>>19879623
Aaaaaah maniggaaaaaaa. Found you brother. :)

[Anonymous No.19879745]

>>19864705
Pic related sums it up pretty well

[Anonymous No.19880009]

>>19864705
Red Handed by Peter Schweizer. China literally already owns our rulers.
Peter Breggin's Covid book.
Not books but essays:
Politics and The Great Confinement
The Flight 93 Election
And there's one chapter in Antifragile where NNT brilliantly summarizes why people no longer trust experts.

[Anonymous No.19880202]

>>19864705
I don't think any one single book can explain what's happening rn in the US or any other country. It's the aggregation of a very complex set of factors, add to that, we're entering a new era in history that has no equivalent in history and therefore no hisotry book can help us predict what's going to happen. No other generation has lived in an age where a press of a button can eliminate millions of people, and we are yet to see what other technological advances are going to bring.
If we don't eradicate the human race 100 years from now or turn earth into one an arid hot desert, we would be doing not that bad.

[Anonymous No.19880252]

>>19868002
>The future is Hawai'ian
Is this the power of Da Jesus Book?

[Anonymous No.19880652]

>>19879745
I wonder if Whitney Ryan and Jamila Jasper know each other? Or maybe they're both pen names of the same interracial fetishist?

[Anonymous No.19880759]

>>19865116
>and look around you, life is much the same as it was 10 or even 20 years ago in the US.
I'm getting tired of hearing this shit, it's not true and either tells me the person is projecting not going outside onto other people, or lives in an insulated comfy bubble.
I live in supposedly one of the richest counties in the Country, but wealth inequality has grown to the point there is a noticeable class of people in danger of falling into complete poverty. Opiates have been raping the area as a hearing around 1 in 5 people I knew in High School getting involved or dying from them is not unheard of. Infrastructure is either decaying or only made new for the rich migrating in, and even their shit seems to start falling apart after only a few years. Oh, and local community has been completely imploding since 2016 mindfucked everyone's brains and people started bringing the internet into real life.

[Anonymous No.19881080]

America isn't perfect, but I rather it being the dominant power rather than say, China. If America is to fall, I hope it will be in circumstances where a similar state like America takes her place or by creating a global system without any huge power.

[Anonymous No.19881220]

>>19880202
>No other generation has lived in an age where a press of a button can eliminate millions of people
lolwhat
this has been the case since the 40s

[Anonymous No.19881585]

>>19881220
it was badly worded, but i meant with the ease of recent technological advances and at this scale (it's no longer the US or the Soviet Union, it's almost every developed country). The weapons are probably more sophisticated and therefore more efficient (for their purpose, that is if destruction can be called efficiency)

[Anonymous No.19881614]

>>19881080

China wants to go somewhere while America wants to go nowhere. That is, America is a yummy cummy, infantile, entirely appetite driven society. Chinese elites literally want to rule the world and colonize space. It's just the Han Chinese are incredibly shitty people, China would need to undergo an incredible transformation of consciousness that they don't seem capable of

[Anonymous No.19882884]

>>19881614
>China wants to colonize the world
Projecting.

China only wants the territory it's claimed for the last 80 years, HK, Macau, Taiwan. It's already got 2 of those. It doesn't even claim Mongolia anymore unlike Taiwan which does.

When was the last time China invaded, with a military, some African or middle eastern country? Now how many times had the US done that? Now who is trying to colonize the world?

[Anonymous No.19882957]

>>19864705
Age of Entitlement by Christopher Caldwell (generally discusses boomers and their consequences).

>>19876545
Epstein running a sexual abuse blackmail ring at the highest levels of the government was in the public record for years - the fact that something like this can be memory holed so effectively for 90% of the population tells all you need to know about America.

[Anonymous No.19883256]

>>19882884
They already own half of africa through road building deals.

[Anonymous No.19883289]

>>19877407
The youth of China have no values beyond being consumers of luxury products they cannot afford. They're in the same boat of spiritual emptiness as the rest of the developed world.

[Anonymous No.19883294]

>>19883256
They only want access to their resources. The US figured out you don't need to annex a territory to have access to its natural resources, you only need to give them a loan they can't pay back. China is simply using the same playbook.

[Anonymous No.19883416]

>>19883256
Not really.
https://youtu.be/q5SvFjlu9ZM

tldr: China's govt banks don't do high risk investments and if they fail or have a problem then they take the fall. China's private banks take high risk investments and get bfto. Intl clawback mechanisms are not enforceable so they routinely renegotiate or just discontinue further investments and take the loss.

The US is similar but institutes military and quasi military institutions around the world as collateral if anything were to go wrong. <Actual colonization.

>>19883289
>The youth focus on consumerism.
Wow how enlightening, I didn't realize the world is predominately capitalistic.

[Anonymous No.19883690]

Books containing in-depth information and comparison on Nationalism vs Marxism. Understanding the difference between the two and you can hone in on what the fuck is going on. You're a midwit consooomer if you dont already understand this

[Anonymous No.19883700]

>>19883690
What are some of these books? Would like to read them.

[Anonymous No.19883944]

>>19883690
Statism vs statism

Won't read, don't care, both are bootlickers

[Anonymous No.19883950]

Unrelated but... Why are Americans so afraid of the government? Like they'd rather choke to death on some billionaire's dick in the name of freedom than to let the state do anything. They'd rather spend their entire life savings on a hospital bill or jump through 17 hoops to justify why taxation is theft rather than you know letting the state to do what it was supposed to do. To collect taxes and use it to improve the quality of life.

I am not advocating for fascism or critizing the American way of thinking here, I am legitimately curious. If a I heard the same things from ,let's say a Russian I would understand. Their government literally put people in camps but the US? What has the US government done that the average American regards every action they take as an attack on freedom?

Yes, I am aware of the shady CIA shit but I doubt most Americans are aware of them. It seems more of a collective trauma.

[Anonymous No.19883968]

>>19883950
The us government gave black people syphilis then let them die, false flagged us into vietnam, bailed out the bankers in 2008 using our stolen money, funded the wuhan lab that caused covid, war profiteered in ww1 and extended it killing millions, etc etc

[Anonymous No.19884362]

>>19883950
>To collect taxes and use it to improve the quality of life.
This isn't the role of the government. The purpose of the US government is to protect, life, liberty, and property. Healthcare costs are irrelevant because healthcare is a positive right "requires forcing another to act." Another issue is that the US does not have a free market healthcare system, despite what the government propoganda says. We have the worst of the two systems, heavy government overreach which drives out competition and causes monopolies (certificate of need laws, heavy regulation for drugs, employer chooses your health insurance, many procedures require insurance and can't be paid in cash), but the citizen doesn't get any help from the government for paying for healthcare. Government involvement in healthcare is why hospitals can charge $300 for a single pill of ibuprofen. The government actively prevents competition through some of the reasons I listed.
The government breaks your legs, hands you a crutch and then tells you you're supposed to thank it for the crutch.

[Anonymous No.19884474]

>>19884362
This is correct but the insurance cabal scam doesn't help. It inflates prices like subsidized loans do college tuition. Actual free market healthcare like lasik is cheap as shit.

[Anonymous No.19884486]

>>19883950
The actual greatest threat to Americans isn’t domestic or foreign terrorism, it’s their own government.

[Anonymous No.19884536]

>>19883950
>Why are Americans so afraid of the government?
Because bureaucracy makes you a disintegrated particle, helpless before Big Brother.

>they'd rather choke to death on some billionaire's dick
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Burnham#The_Managerial_Revolution
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/americas-new-corporate-tyranny

That's the other side of the same coin. Read "Leviathan and Its Enemies" by Samuel T. Francis

[Anonymous No.19884543]

>>19864705
The tl dr is that America is so extremely individualistic it honestly believes in the motto "it's only a crime if you get caught", so their whole political circus is scammers trying to out-scam each other: that's how you end up with electors reelecting a politician while giving him a sub-30% approval rating.

[Anonymous No.19884567]

>>19884543
>The tl dr is that America is so extremely individualistic
>honestly believes in the motto "it's only a crime if you get caught"
Wrong.

https://theupheaval.substack.com/p/no-the-revolution-isnt-over
"From this perspective it is more obvious why the amorphous ideology referred to as “Wokeness” so often seems mixed up and chaotically self-contradictory: it is the confused response to two opposite instincts. On the one hand it is actually a kind of anti-liberal reactionary movement, a blind, emotional scramble to grasp desperately for collectivism in the most basic, tribal sort of community seemingly still available: in identity groups, and in fixed racial identity in particular. But, on the other hand, it simultaneously attempts to continue embracing the boundless autonomy of individual choice as its most sacred principle, celebrating an individual’s right to self-define everything about themselves without limit, up to and including their own concept of material reality."

"a number of beliefs totally inverse to the Stoic-derived principles considered best practice by modern Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. These unhealthy beliefs included: always trusting your feelings, assuming disagreement is always a personal attack, and believing hurtful words lead to real harm, including permanent trauma. Normalization of these beliefs led to a “cult of safety” on campuses, with hyper-attention devoted to the prevention of offense (because it was now actual “violence”). Hence the emergence of such innovations as “microaggressions,” “trigger warnings,” and “safe spaces."

https://theupheaval.substack.com/p/are-we-in-a-500-year-religious-revolution
"a strident new ideology of “Social Justice” which, despite its self-conceived secularism, many observers have now convincingly argued bears all the hallmarks of a new religious cult, complete with a new metaphysics of truth and reality, a concept of original sin, a new hierarchy of moral virtues, a self-constructed canonical liturgy and a strict orthodoxy, a de-facto priesthood, sacred spaces, self-abasing rituals, a community of believers, linguistic shibboleths, blasphemy laws, and excommunication – among other giveaways."

https://unherd.com/2021/11/theres-nothing-woke-about-crypto/
"“Wokeness” isn’t an upstart faith. It’s a secularised, mutant form of the Protestantism that began with Luther."

[Anonymous No.19884581]

>>19884567
>shilling your own blog
>thinking "social justice" is anything new in the country of Prohibitionism
>saying "wrong" without highlighting a contradiction

[Anonymous No.19884600]

>>19884581
>thinking "social justice" is anything new
>>19884567
>isn’t an upstart faith. It’s a secularised, mutant form of the Protestantism that began with Luther
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther
>10 November 1483 – 18 February 1546

Go fuck yourself.

[Anonymous No.19884622]

>>19884567
Cool, you plagiarized Slate Star Codex's article on secular religions.

[Anonymous No.19884645]

>>19884622
>you
Not me.
>plagiarized
Cited
>Slate Star Codex's article on secular religions
Why not Carl Schmitt on political theology? Or Nietzsche on the "shadows" of God (Gay Science, #108)?

[Anonymous No.19884648]

So correct me if I'm wrong but what I gather is that the peoples hatred of the system has became an overall hatred of the state due to shady practices of various governments?

Not too different from anywhere else in the world but still... Feels a little excessive from what I've seen from my interactions with Americans.

>>19884536
>>19884362
Thanks for the book and the info.

[Anonymous No.19884670]

>>19883950
I think i's a side effect of the Cold War. Communism, and even basic socialism, was demonized as "Un-American" for decades. I remember that even as recently as 10 years ago, Obama was called a communist for his health care policy. People literally thought he was going to turn America into something like the USSR.
The social programs we do have are largely from before the Cold War, or are very careful not to use the word "social" opting instead for "welfare" or something similar

[Anonymous No.19884714]

>>19877155
>not understanding population density

[Anonymous No.19884721]

Hillbilly Elegy.

[Anonymous No.19885483]

It was all the Jews.
-The End

[Anonymous No.19886168]

>>19883950
In America people understand the government/taxes are just a way to force working class white people to subsidize brown and black people who live as parasites off the government. Sorry if that offends you but you can't look at the actual state and federal expenditures and come to any other conclusion.

[Anonymous No.19886460]

>>19879125
America is a shithole

[Anonymous No.19886590]

>>19865748
the population density is low in utah and idaho, idiot

[Anonymous No.19886910]

>>19870658
>American
>hopelessly poor
0 perspective

[Anonymous No.19886934]

>>19872559
Interesting. Cities are complete population sinks, so the math would definitely check out as well.

[Anonymous No.19887140]

>>19886910
If you as a white westerner are comparing yourself to some double digit IQ brownie eating arsenic and mud in the third world as a way to feel better about your reality it's YOU who lacks perspective

[Anonymous No.19887161]

>>19865057

Your genes are dead. Dead on arrival

[Anonymous No.19888741]

>>19884567
Nobody wants to read your shitty blog peddling hack ideas.
>le wokeness is le Calvinist guilty anxiety
Whatever, Max Weber. Try an original thought next time, and one not so lame.

[Anonymous No.19889332]

>>19864705
All the books I was going to recommend have already been mentioned in thread, though I will shill The Decadent Society. But I can still scitzopost my own theories.

America has always had a dualism between the liberalism of its state and the illiberalism of its lived reality. All men are created equal, but blacks are enslaved or suppressed. Freedom of religion, but if you are not some type of protestant Christian you can fuck right off. Anti-imperialist moralism living right alongside the near genocide of natives and other conquests. There has always been a tension between the enlightenment liberalism the state gets legitimacy from and the normal, nationalistic desires of its people.

While there was still a large and mobilizable white protestant majority the liberal state could be bent to illiberal ends, thus passing laws against race mixing and the like. It effectively meant that America was an empire of the majority, and was able to live as a "normal" nation despite its democracy. Naturally there will still controversies at the time, but only isolated intellectuals seriously questioned the foundations of race, religion and land that defined the American nation.

This began to change after WW2, for many reasons. The American nation (the white majority which had previously suppressed minority populations) was replaced in many of the peoples heart with the American idea (individual liberty, wealth creation, enlightenment equality). Once this happened it was relatively simple for elites to pass laws such as de-whitening immigration, pushing religion into a corner and out of schools, and generally favoring atomized liberty over collective identity.

The white population went along with this because it felt like "the right things to do", and more importantly because it did not seriously threaten their position on top of America. "Diversity" was Mexican spices and jazz, not attacks on their communities or threats to their political dominance. Today however they are faced with the prospect of becoming weak in America itself, needing to contend with large and self-confident identities which do not play nice with their own culture. "Global citizens" on one hand and ethnic rivals on the other.

However, the political discourse of America is so tied to the ideas of freedom and equality via enlightenment liberalism that it has trouble even defining the issues, much less solving them. This is how you get everyday Americans being petty political experts: they need to somehow justify their illiberal desires and issues within a liberal framework. If they cannot, then their very identity as Americans (again, taught as an idea rather than a nation sense the 50's) would be thrown into chaos.

TL:DR America is currently going through a transition from what it has been historically to a future without a ethnic base, and it is doing so without the intellectual tools needed to fully understand how or why. what you are seeing now is an identity crises.

[Anonymous No.19889837]

>>19889332
Spot on.

>The white population went along with this because it felt like "the right things to do", and more importantly because it did not seriously threaten their position on top of America. "Diversity" was Mexican spices and jazz, not attacks on their communities or threats to their political dominance. Today however they are faced with the prospect of becoming weak in America itself, needing to contend with large and self-confident identities which do not play nice with their own culture. "Global citizens" on one hand and ethnic rivals on the other.

This hits the nail on the head. America is a place where only dumb white people still pretend to be "citizens" of some global color-blind shared identity, having to contend with ruthless ethnic self-interest voting blocks.

[Anonymous No.19890493]

>>19889332
>However, the political discourse of America is so tied to the ideas of freedom and equality via enlightenment liberalism that it has trouble even defining the issues, much less solving them.
This is why I find extremists and monarchists as the most interesting people to talk too, I am convinced the only way to move forward is to cut the Gordian not and reject all of that.

[Anonymous No.19890680]

>>19865100

[Anonymous No.19890719]

>>19865786

[Anonymous No.19890771]

>>19864783
None of the mainline (or concisely formulated) ways of thinking are in touch and have gone past their time

[Anonymous No.19892535]

>>19865199
Nobody leaves the Amish you retarded doomer

[Anonymous No.19892608]

>>19889332
>>19886168
Based

[Anonymous No.19893172]

>>19875621
There will be a rump state comprised of the mid Atlantic states that will be a continuance of the final government, with a Mormon HAE in the west. Until eventually somewhere in the collapsed remains of Canada claims to be the "third America"

[Anonymous No.19894006]

>>19864705
In 1900 in the UK, 15% of houses were owner-occupied.
It’s really not out of the realms of a dystopia that the idle rich own all the houses. It was like that before and it is returning to the historical norm.
Americans don’t realise it as well because of all the homesteading. That’s why everyone from Europe wanted to move there. To get away a lifetime of rent and to get something for themselves. No more homesteading anymore, all the land everywhere is owned.

[Anonymous No.19894310]

>>19864705
>America is the wealthiest nation on Earth, but its people are mainly poor, and poor
Americans are urged to hate themselves. To quote the American humorist Kin Hubbard,
'It ain't no disgrace to be poor, but might as well be.' It is in fact a crime for an American
to be poor, even though America is a nation of poor. Every other nation has folk
traditions of men who were poor but extremely wise and virtuous, and therefore more
estimable than anyone with power and gold. No such tales are told by the American
poor. They mock themselves and glorify their betters. The meanest eating or drinking
establishment, owned by a man who is himself poor, is very likely to have a sign on its
wall asking this cruel question: 'If you're so smart, why ain't you rich? ' There will also
be an American flag no larger than a child's hand-glued to a lollipop stick and, flying
from the cash register.

[Anonymous No.19894314]

>>19864705
>America is the wealthiest nation on Earth, but its people are mainly poor, and poor Americans are urged to hate themselves. To quote the American humorist Kin Hubbard,'It ain't no disgrace to be poor, but might as well be.' It is in fact a crime for an Americanto be poor, even though America is a nation of poor. Every other nation has folk traditions of men who were poor but extremely wise and virtuous, and therefore more estimable than anyone with power and gold. No such tales are told by the American poor. They mock themselves and glorify their betters. The meanest eating or drinking establishment, owned by a man who is himself poor, is very likely to have a sign on its wall asking this cruel question: 'If you're so smart, why ain't you rich? ' There will also
be an American flag no larger than a child's hand-glued to a lollipop stick and, flying
from the cash register.

[Anonymous No.19894317]

>>19864705
>America is the wealthiest nation on Earth, but its people are mainly poor, and poor Americans are urged to hate themselves. To quote the American humorist Kin Hubbard,'It ain't no disgrace to be poor, but might as well be.' It is in fact a crime for an Americanto be poor, even though America is a nation of poor. Every other nation has folk traditions of men who were poor but extremely wise and virtuous, and therefore more estimable than anyone with power and gold. No such tales are told by the American poor. They mock themselves and glorify their betters. The meanest eating or drinking establishment, owned by a man who is himself poor, is very likely to have a sign on its wall asking this cruel question: 'If you're so smart, why ain't you rich? ' There will also be an American flag no larger than a child's hand-glued to a lollipop stick and, flying from the cash register.

[Anonymous No.19894355]

>>19883289
Its a different thing though. America has Protestautism as its hisorical background. China has folk mythology going back thousands of years, plus thousands of years of Confucian, Taoist and Buddhist synergy.
>>19864705
Not a book, but Hypernormalisation the documentary, except the things that doco describes have become domestic.

[Anonymous No.19894430]

>>19884543
I think that's just a stereotype that Americans are super individualistic. More than other countries definitely but it's just a sizable minority that's like that.

[Anonymous No.19894442]

>>19890719
>Americans
>Reading
Is this some sort of Muslim stand-up comedian?

[Anonymous No.19895308]

>>19864705
Try John Gray. Although I think he is incredibly wrong at some points, he offers insight on political philosophy that feels fresh to me, especially his writings about the failings of leftist extremism within America and the West.