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19761354 No.19761354 [Reply] [Original]

>informs you not to go into the white light 1300 years before books on NDEs start being written and the light trap meme becomes widespread
>writes a concise, hands-on gnostic manual on death while having never ventured past India and Tibet
How did Padmasambhava do it?

>> No.19761647

>>19761354
Is this the schizo thread?

>> No.19761653

>>19761647
shut the fuck up

>> No.19761669

>>19761354
>not to go into the white light
>light trap
Books on this?

>> No.19761673

>>19761669
the tibetan book of the dead

>> No.19761675

>>19761673
Aside from that one obviously

>> No.19761679

>>19761354
>>informs you not to go into the white light
why tho?

>> No.19761688

>>19761673
No book comes to mind on that particular subject.
Videos do, though.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/ea6DyayoEFh3/ and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4Ed40tVGOg this is the start of the rabbit hole, there are many, many others on the internet that talk about this subject. Check out Wayne Bush too.
>>19761679
It's a reincarnation trap. The book mentions it
>Do not be enticed by that soft smoky light of hell! Hey! That is the path of destruction from the confusion you have accumulated by your strong hatred! If you cling to it, you will fall into the hells; you will be stuck in the mire of unbearable ordeals of suffering, without any escape.
And talks about the "true light" which is actually within (the tibetans call it "luminous mind")

>> No.19761793
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19761793

This one is a better edition

>> No.19761800

>>19761793
>understanding in the between
I prefer "hearing in the intermediate state", it's less ambiguous.

>> No.19761875

>>19761354
>dont go to the white light, that ones bad
>but the clear light is like buddhanature or something, that ones good, unlike the other light of a slightly different tint
??? seems kinda arbitrary

>> No.19761884

>>19761875
The clear light is the essence of your own mind, I don't think it's an external light but more of an internal escape.
Also, the harmful lights are always described as inviting, alluring, attractive, while the clear light is almost painful, not immediately obvious as a viable path.

>> No.19762057

Bump

>> No.19762095

>>19761354
I flicked through this book once and the first paragraph I read described some retarded ritual where a guy snorts his own semen. Immediately threw it in the trash
>>19761647
Yes, this is the schizo thread

>> No.19762161

>>19762095
Literal, unironic NPC

>> No.19762188

>>19762095
you’ll never escape samsara without the aid of semen

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>>19761884
>The clear light is the essence of your own mind
essences dont exist according to buddhism

>> No.19762200

>>19762161
eat the bugs, snort the semen, don't go to the light

>> No.19762205

>>19762161
If not snorting my own semen makes me an NPC than fine I choose the NPC life lmao
>book is old and from Asia that means it must have intrinsic value and I'm enlightened hurrr

>> No.19762213

>>19762196
Tibetan Buddhism is crypto-Hinduism anyway

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>>19761669

>> No.19762221

>>19762200
Yes, good goy, welcome the light and bask in it, enjoy the recyc- I mean the reuniting with your (((creator)))

>> No.19762233

>>19762221
>muh imaginary gods and magic
so tiresome

>> No.19762234

Ooh yeah baby the shills are in
>>19762205
There's nothing in the book about semen snorting, you are an absolute retard who shouldn't have been taught how to read in the first place

>> No.19762240

>>19762233
>muh everything is matter
A true hylic in the literal and unexaggerated sense. Human cattle.

>> No.19762247

>>19762234
>One should examine, on the first morning of the first day of the month, The flow of one's semen or menstrual blood. It is said that if the semen of a man is blackish yellow, Or if the blood of a women is whitish, Death may occur after two months. If the semen of a man is redish, He may die or be subjected to slander after six months. However, if its [natural] whiteness is undiminished, [This indicates that] there is no obstacle [to life], And [the semen] should be inhaled through the nose, while it is still warm.

Imagine being so retarded that you blindly defend a dumb book that you haven't even read lmao

>> No.19762253

>>19762240
believe whatever story you need to to get you through the day anon

>> No.19762276

>>19762247
What fucking edition is this? I own two versions of the book and that shit isn't in there anywhere

>> No.19762278
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>>19762234
>There's nothing in the book about semen snorting
Anon, I...

>> No.19762290

>>19762253
>le enlightened atheist smugness
lmfao
>>19762247
>>19762278
Vajrayana has always had stupid practices like this, and even worse than this. It's not the point of the book.

>> No.19762292

>>19762278
buddhabros... I dont feel so good...

>> No.19762301

>>19762292
See >>19762213, the Tibetan practices are as far removed from the original teachings as can be

>> No.19762304

>>19762276
The 'first complete translation' edition. By Gyurme Dorje?

Its full of retarded shit like>If one urinates, defecates and sneezes simultaneously, this too is an indication of death

Sounds like those old Tibetan loonies never heard of tripling themselves

>> No.19762307

>>19762290
Not even an athiest, an agnostic. Just not gonna believe any of these historical fairytales. I do believe that faith can be helpful for some people though and I'm jealous that I can't make myself believe comforting stories like this

>> No.19762310

>>19762307
>comforting stories
You're in the wrong thread.

>> No.19762314

>>19762290
>>19762292
>>19762301
kek, buddacucks on suicide watch, better sniff some jizz quickly so you trick death before you die

>> No.19762316

>>19762314
Back to your bible thread, tradzoom

>> No.19762318

>>19762310
believing that a greater power/purpose than you exists is often more comforting than the idea of chaos and nothingness, even if that greater power is bizarre and scary like the shit itt

>> No.19762328

>>19762316
that doesn't sound very enlightened of you anon

>> No.19762351

Is there anything more pathetic than middle-class westerners deciding they want to believe in buddhism cos they did acid a couple times

>> No.19762354

>>19762328
Must be because I'm not a buddhist or enlightened
Just like your posts don't sound very christian because you're just a larper :^)

>> No.19762362

>>19762351
Yes, middle-class atheists deciding they want to believe in jewish books because it validates their political beliefs and is perceived as counter-culture

>> No.19762367

>>19762354
Not a Christian, agnostic but think all organised religions are dumb

>> No.19762376

>>19762318
>even if that greater power is bizarre and scary like the shit itt
I don't think you understand what the OP is about. Also, there's nothing more comforting than oblivion to cowards since it absolves them of all responsibility. Agnosticism is just another flavor of cowardice

>> No.19762380

>>19762362
>anyone that makes fun of hippies is a polcel

>> No.19762389

>>19762376
>Also, there's nothing more comforting than oblivion to cowards since it absolves them of all responsibility.
Nope, because we still have culturally engrained morality.
>Hurr why don't atheists just shoot people and kill themselves if they don't believe in anything
such a weak, cliche argument

>> No.19762399

>>19762380
Hippies are materialists though. The whole new age movement is crypto-scientism

>> No.19762411

>>19762389
>coward pretends not to understand the point
As expected
If there is nothing after death, you will never be confronted to any true consequences for your actions during life. The world does not enforce or even encourage moral behavior, as shown by the kind of people in power
You're an agnostic because you want to be a coomer and turn your brain off

>> No.19762416

>>19762411
>If there is nothing after death, you will never be confronted to any true consequences for your actions during life.
You get confronted by the consequences of your actions whilst you're alive, ie. the only time when it actually matters
Do you really believe in a magical afterlife anon or are you just being argumentative?

>> No.19762428

>>19762416
>You get confronted by the consequences of your actions whilst you're alive
The amount of disingenuousness atheists are capable of to justify their beliefs to themselves is astounding

>> No.19762442

>>19761354
Why do you call this book gnostic?

>> No.19762448

>>19762428
Again, not an atheist
Please tell me what you think happens after you die, I promise I won't laugh
For someone so worried about their afterlife you're being very petty and rude

>> No.19762452

>>19762442
Not him but I've noticed a trend lately of people reconciling gnosticism with buddhist views and practices

>> No.19762463

>>19762448
Agnosticism is just lazy atheism.

>> No.19762472

>>19762452
Weird, they seem like polar opposite views to me, entirely irreconcilable.

>> No.19762473

>>19762463
no, it's rational atheism
now please, either stop avoiding the question or stop replying

>> No.19762479

>>19762472
How so? Theravada has a lot in common with gnosticism

>> No.19762491

>>19762473
Explain how atheism is rational

>> No.19762495

>>19762479
I was thinking more of their respective cosmologies and implications of each.

>> No.19762498

>>19762290
>It's not the point of the book.
If someone comes up to me and tells me I'm supposed to snort my own cum, I'm definitely going to be skeptical if he then wants me to believe his story about reincarnation.

>> No.19762504

>>19762473
Agnosticism literally doesn´t exist. Religion is about belief. Theists believe and atheists don´t believe. The agnostic reson d´etre is "I admit that I do not know". Sorry to break your bubble kid but religion isn´t about knowing but belief.

Heh, guess I´ll see you at mass next sunday, kid.

>> No.19762508

>>19762491
It's not, but agnosticism is

>> No.19762509

>>19762498
Same anon here. Sorry meant to reference >>19762473
>no, it's rational atheism

>> No.19762514

>>19762495
I think a lot of parallels can be drawn nonetheless especially since Theravada can be interpreted as a dualism. The whole soteriology being based around escape from conditioned material existence, the attainment of insight through practice, similar themes throughout (nirvana as an "unbending", Siddhartha actually confronting Brahma/the Demiurge who is presented as ignorant of his true condition, the wheel of Samsara and eternal suffering...)
Both Gnosticism and Theravada Buddhism (I'm specifying Theravada since the bodhisattva path is very different) are profoundly anti-world, they're a reaction to conditioned existence and share the same sentiment towards it.
I disagree with the OP that Vajrayana can be considered gnostic, though.

>> No.19762521

>>19762514
>unbending
Unbinding* sorry

>> No.19762522

>>19762504
>atheists don´t believe
No atheists actively believe that God(s) doesn't exist. Agnostics don't believe there is enough evidence either way or some variation of that line of thought

>> No.19762533

>>19762504
And I assume your belief in your unique interpretation of your particular religion is the only universal truth right?
You realise literally every theist believes that

>> No.19762590

>>19761354
Why is the light a trap and what else should I do in case of death?

>> No.19762603

>>19762590
Apparently you just have to listen to it once and you'll remember it very vividly when death comes. So I guess get the audio book and your all set in case it's true.

>> No.19762604

>>19762590
>what else should I do in case of death?
Presumably turn away from the light regardless of what it promises, and find another path.

>> No.19762608

>>19762603
Listen to what?

>> No.19762612

>>19762590
>what else should I do in case of death?
make sure to check your semen regularly and snort it when it's normal looking

>> No.19762626

>>19762278
lmao based buddhist monks constantly jerking themselves off, inspecting their semen and then snorting it
How to become this enlightened?

>> No.19762647

>>19762522
>No atheists actively believe that God(s) doesn't exist. Agnostics don't believe there is enough evidence either way or some variation of that line of thought
This is literally what I just said.

>>19762533
>And I assume your belief in your unique interpretation of your particular religion is the only universal truth right?
No? I don´t have any particular belief. More of a perennialist.
>You realise literally every theist believes that
You realise literally every edgy atheists concept of theists believes that? And no, I do not believe it is that simple. Many religious people struggle with their faith and many people change religion. There is a jewish saying that goes somewhere along the lines of "to be a jew is to wrestle with god". You have a teenagers understanding of both religion and religious people , most likely founded upon contemporary media depictions instead of actually engaging with the literary tradition for instance.

>> No.19762654

>>19762647
>This is literally what I just said.
Nope, there's a huge difference between actively denying the existence of something, and saying that you don't know
>More of a perennialist.
Oh so just lazy religion, gotcha
>Many religious people struggle with their faith and many people change religion.
Then they're not religious are they, they're agnostic

>> No.19762660

>>19762278
Is this OPs edition or >>19761793

>> No.19762669

>>19762608
Er sorry, the Tibetan book of the dead. And then you don't have to worry about the (Buddhist at least) light trap.

>> No.19762673

>>19762626
Not the worst plan I've ever heard

>> No.19762680

>>19762654
>there's a huge difference between actively denying the existence of something, and saying that you don't know
As I´ve said, religion is not a question of evidence and knowing. It is about believing. What would even constitute evidence against/in favor of God´s existence? In my mind, we can only provide "evidence" within contemporary materialist scientific framework. And God is of imaterial nature. A thought isn´t evidence. But feel fre to change my mind.
>Oh so just lazy religion, gotcha
Please provide an explanation of your religious or metaphysical framework then :)
>Then they're not religious are they, they're agnostic
See my first point. Since religion is about belief and agnosticism is about knowledge claims it is redundant.

>> No.19762737

>>19762680
(Different anon) God could be proven by a mystical experience, pure light consciousness, or whatever. But that's not within the epistemological framework of science.

Mystic virgins must cope with belief. Chad mystics know God.

>> No.19762894

>>19761354
Explain turning away from the light to me please. In NDEs I assumed it would meant turning away from heaven (and thus death) to return to the land of the living. But from what people here are saying I'm extrapolating that even when you're dying proper you're supposed to turn away from it, but why?

>> No.19762909

>>19762894
*I assumed it meant

>> No.19762947

>>19762680
>And God is of imaterial nature. A thought isn´t evidence. But feel fre to change my mind.
There's no changing your mind, you choose to believe in metaphysics (magic) without evidence, whereas I do not
>Please provide an explanation of your religious or metaphysical framework then :)
I don't have one, I think it's nonsense

>> No.19762956

>>19762894
>but why?
Because a bunch of crazy jizz-sniffing gooks decided so hundreds of years ago

>> No.19763033

Where is the proofs that there is an alien machine on Saturn sucking up our souls?

>> No.19763056

>>19763033
There isn't proof, I just believe it to be so, that's religion bruh

>> No.19763265

>>19762894
Because it's a trap that reincarnates you, and unlike what this retard >>19762956 is saying, it's not exclusively a buddhist thing

>> No.19763741

>>19762608
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?view=detail&mid=6ED059A3E85DF1EDBD186ED059A3E85DF1EDBD18&q=tibetan book of the dead audio&shtp=GetUrl&shid=4cf3e2cb-16ec-47d6-8e04-074e12f2d17c&shtk=QmFyZG8gVGhvZG9sIC0gVGhlIFRpYmV0YW4gQm9vayBPZiBUaGUgRGVhZA%3D%3D&shdk=TGliZXJhdGlvbiB0aHJvdWdoIGhlYXJpbmcuIEludGVuZGVkIGZvciBtZWRpdGF0aW9uYWwgcHVycG9zZXMuIFN1cnJlbmRlciB0byB0aGUgZnJlcXVlbmNpZXMuIFRha2UgdGhlIHRyaXAuIEludmVzdGlnYXRlIHlvdXIgbWluZC4%3D&shhk=zhicm9s7EtVDSOUEwY6LrDbIV6rD5%2FW0HFlr4WUV%2BbQ%3D&form=VDSHOT&shth=OVP.4n2sDPvzk-jp2wIfcOihAgEsDh

>> No.19763844

>>19763265
you WILL sniff the jizz

>> No.19763859

>>19761675
What the fuck is wrong with the book of the dead you pleb fag
>n-no I meant modern books written by rational peop--
FUCK YOU LMAO

>> No.19763947

>>19762247
>>19762278
Wait so I've been unknowingly practicing Buddhist rituals my whole life? I must be enlightened

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>>19761688
>moksha reincarnation
so it's the not the demiurge, it's evil ayys that are keeping us here? or are the ayys in cahoots with the demiurge?

>> No.19763995

>>19763975
anon...

>> No.19764006

>>19762472
How so? Material world is bad in some way and we as humans must escape through spiritual means. The comparison seems pretty obvious.
>>19762495
Nobody gives a shit about cosmologies, even emic theologians only seek to extract meaning from cosmologies, the point is never to get a gun and fight the evil ghosts or something. Disagreeing on the specifics of what everyone, even Buddhists and ancient Gnostics, would consider of second importance to their faith and practices seems to just be getting lost.

>> No.19764182

>>19761675
Himalayan scripture of the deceased