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Not concerned with reality, only concerned with making some stuff for losers to larp with
Nothing in his philosophy will ever be materialized

>> No.19624590

>>19624577
Twilight of the Idols is just babyish emotional ranting. He says Socrates was wrong because he was poor and ugly. That is a clear fallacy which can be shown from the fact that Socrates held 2+2=4 despite being poor and ugly, whence it follows that not every opinion held by someone who is poor and ugly is false. More argument would therefore be needed to refute Socrates; but Nietzsche can only rave and insult.
Are his other books any better than this? This was really disappointing.

>> No.19624598

>>19624590
uggo hands typed this post

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>>19624577
>Not concerned with reality, only concerned with making some stuff
Yes

>> No.19624616

>>19624577
On the contrary, he was concerned with reality and that's what brought him to the conclusion that reality is fiction. Whether you agree with him or not is another matter.

>> No.19624658
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19624658

>Bad philsopher
>Not concerned with reality, only concerned with making some stuff for losers to larp with
>Nothing in his philosophy will ever be materialized
pic related

>> No.19624673

>>19624658
That too

>> No.19624684

>>19624577
>not concerned with reality
Is this just a stock phrase you level at people with whom you disagree? It's pretty funny to apply to Nietzsche in particular.

>> No.19624685

>>19624590
Is it really that bad? Then why is his dick ridden to this day?

>> No.19624785

>>19624577

If you haven't read or are dumb as shit can you please not post, or post about something else?

>> No.19625755

>>19624685
its bait
Nietzsche's critique was that Socrates lives as though the meaning of life is intelligibility. In the Birth of Tragedy Nietzsche proposes that the pre-socratic Greek culture was characterized by two spirits: that of Apollo (order, reason, image, intelligibility) and Dionysus (chaos, irrational, passion, formless). He describes this era as the peak of ancient Greek culture as they affirmed life aesthetically through the tragic chorus which contained both of these elements. Socrates killed the Dionysian spirit by turning the Greeks away from passion and toward reason which Nietzsche said was the beginning of their decadence.

>> No.19625774

>>19625755
>Socrates killed the Dionysian spirit by turning the Greeks away from passion and toward reason which Nietzsche said was the beginning of their decadence.
Well Nietzsche is an idiot for thinking that, still.

>> No.19625806

>>19625774
Are you saying his description of Greek history is inaccurate?

>> No.19625820

>>19624577
he was a sophist par excellence, and his philosophy and genius is trying to extract truth out of sophism. You were filtered hard anon

>> No.19625852

>>19625774
The Greeks are conquered by the Macedonians within a couple of generations of Plato and thereafter spread into a "Hellenistic" culture rather than a "Hellenic" one. They are then incorporated into the Roman empire and finally destroyed intellectually and culturally by Christianity. So if it wasn't decadence that made for this long slow decline, then what? Many have admired the Greek culture specifically for its "pre-Socratic" elements which is the exact position of Nietzsche.

>> No.19625870

>>19625852
it always comes down to birthrates, the rest is ideological cope

>> No.19625904

>>19625870
Which conditions cause a decline in birthrates? You're not looking deeply enough

>> No.19625999

>>19625852
By the time Plato was hitting his intellectual stride the Greek city-states had already begun their decline. The cause of the decline of the city-states were the ruinous social and economic costs of the Peloponnesian wars, which basically destroyed Athens and Argos as serious powers and crippled Sparta.

Also, the idea that Plato and friends dramatically changed Greek culture is highly suspect.

>> No.19626009

>>19624577
>Not concerned with reality
He claimed reality is ever changing flux, which is correct. Being lasts but a moment, not for eternity.

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>>19625999
Whether they changed it or merely represent that change is a minor point in terms of the ideas themselves. For Nietzsche dialectic is the weapon of the unarmed, which is hardly wrong, as a Greece that no longer fights for itself but in the service of vast imperial potentates is a very different Greece from that more (h)eroic age of passion.

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19626070

>>19624577
Btfo by Wagner.

>> No.19626083

>>19624590
Nietzsche held that 2+2 does not equal 4. He also held that 1 != 1. Whence it follows that Socrates is also wrong there

>> No.19626097

>>19624658
You don't have a clue about him do you.

>> No.19626113

>>19624658
>>Nothing in his philosophy will ever be materialized
Kek

>> No.19626132

>>19626053
The "heroic" Greek city states destroyed themselves with pointless internecine conflicts, bringing about their decline.

>> No.19626146

>>19626132
So did every larger empire, even those which purportedly brought peace and stability. Heraclitus was on to something with momentariness, then.

>> No.19626195

>>19625820
You should use the term realist instead of sophist in reference to Nietzsche, because it's more accurate.

>> No.19626295
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>Tum your nose up at fortune. I (sc. God) have given it no weapon with which it can strike your mind. Above all beware that nothing hold you back against your will. The door lies open. If you don’t want to fight, you can flee. Thus, of all the things that I wanted to be required of you, I made nothing easier than death. I have placed your soul on a slanted slope: it is being dragged down. Only pay attention and you will see how how short and how quick a road leads to freedom.

>Many short and easy roads to freedom lie open on all sides. Let us thank god, that no one is able to be kept in life.

>He who says this does not realize that he blocks off the road of freedom.
The eternal law did nothing better than giving us one entrance into life, but many exits. Should I await the cruelty of disease or man, when I am able to exit through the middle of tortures and shake off my adversities?

>But you know this, to how many men it (death) is useful, how many men it frees from tortures, destitution, ailments, torments, and weariness. We are in the power of no one, when death is in our power.

>[The Stoics] say that he [the wise man] alone is free (eleutheron), and that fools are slaves. For they say that freedom is the power of self- determination (iautopragias), and slavery the lack of self-determination.

>What evil is there in torture, or in other things we call adversities? This, I think: that the mind gives way, bends, and collapses. None of these things can happen to the wise man. He stands upright under any load. Nothing diminishes him. None of these things that he must endure bothers him. He
does not complain when anything that can befall man has befallen him. He knows his own strength.

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>>19624577

>> No.19626717

>>19624590
This is really what every non-pseud should think about Neech. He’s a pathetic ressentiment-fueled incel

>> No.19626760

>>19626717
Another uggo filtered by N

>> No.19627099

>>19624577
Most overrated philosopher of all time.

>> No.19627127

>too late to explore the world, too early to explore the galaxy, just in time to watch last men try to dunk on nietzsche
sublime

>> No.19627200

>>19624577
That's not Stirner.

>> No.19627207

>>19624577
i know, that's why i view him as a poet with shamanic tendencies

>> No.19627214

>>19626448
>born in le wrong generation
Grow up, the end of the world is nowhere near /pol/ tards like to believe.

>> No.19627218

>>19624658
why are you even referencing marx if his ideas never materialized? you are just playing into the devil's hand fren

>> No.19628291

>>19626097
>>19626113
>>19627218
salty bunkertrannies. Even Marxist themselves say Marxism was never implemented. They tried to after the revolution until it was about to cause the nation to collaspe from peasant revaoults. Not until Lenin came in and NEP"D Marx infront of the Bolsheviks.