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Would YOU torture a puppy for something like taste or pleasure? If not then you can't eat store-bought meat either. I've been getting more repulsed at eating meat lately. I love cheese and eggs though, so I guess I'm still a bad person?

>> No.19550767

>>19550740
Nobody here tortures cattle fo meat. Theey live off the land, get sedated before cutting their throat and made into essential nutrition. Only chinks and other such creaturas torture their food.

Now go away with your angst teenage girl worldview.

>> No.19550773
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19550773

>Plutarch - On Meat Eating
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Plutarch/Moralia/De_esu_carnium*/1.html

>Porphyry - On abstinence from animal food
http://www.tertullian.org/fathers/porphyry_abstinence_01_book1.htm

>> No.19550778

>>19550740
Cow=Alive=wrong to kill and eat

Plants=Alive=OK to kill and eat

????????? Just because plants are more different from us than animals makes it ok?

>> No.19550787

>>19550740
This whole argument is retarded.
Since when do we need to torture animals in order to eat them?

>> No.19550788

when are we finally going to finally come to terms with the fact owning pets is animal abuse

>> No.19550792

>>19550740

pEaNuT bRaIn: not being vegan because you're "part of nature"

Medium brain: being vegan because you "respect nature"

Big brain: being vegan because you want to mortify your flesh

GALAXY BRAIN: realizing that all 3 reasons are demiurgic narratives meant to embed you into the abomination that is nature but being vegan regardless as a christological fracture in the order of being

>> No.19550793

>>19550788
Owning a pet in a cage or an apartment is wrong.
Owning a dog that spends his days roaming a huge farm is benevolent

>> No.19550797

>>19550767
>>19550787
Factory farming is the torture of animals, next time actually read.

>> No.19550799

>>19550792
this

all carnis are subhuman

>> No.19550804

>>19550797
Factory farming isn't torture, retard

>> No.19550805

>>19550787
>>19550767
The overwhelming majority of meat comes from factory farms with conditions humans would find egregious if they were subject to. But if you admit that you'd still eat puppies even if they weren't being tortured, I guess power to ya, Chang.
>>19550778
Plants aren't sentient and cannot be tortured, are you 5 years old?

>> No.19550809

>>19550804
Yeah right, cows just love being forcefed swill while living in a tiny enclosure.

>> No.19550811

>>19550767
Essential nutrition? Protein is protein. You can get it anywhere. In fact we feed more protein to cows than we get back by a factor of 10 or so. It's actually less efficient to be raising cows for food than to eat beans and stuff. Just saying breh

>> No.19550813

>>19550767
>>19550787
>>19550804
>spend all your life locked in a tiny cage shitting and pissing yourself, surrounded by stressed animals, constantly nauseous, head-ache, sick, flu
>not torture

>> No.19550814

>>19550805
Maybe if you buy shit meat or live in the US
Most of the cows in my country roam in a field, eat grass and sleep all day, and then one day they get killed quickly and painlessly.
How is that torture exactly?
In the wild they would get hunted by wolves, we certainly did them a favour to be honest.

>> No.19550817

>>19550792
Well this post was terrible

>> No.19550818

>>19550814
>Most of the cows in my country roam in a field, eat grass and sleep all day, and then one day they get killed quickly and painlessly.
Isn't this a lie? I heard all that free range crap was a scam

>> No.19550820

>>19550804
https://youtu.be/LQRAfJyEsko
Have fun

>> No.19550821

>>19550814
The USA consumes 30 times more meat than india. All of these arguments are overwhelmingly directed at them

>> No.19550827

>>19550814
>Maybe if you buy shit meat or live in the US
"shit meat" is already expensive and most people certainly cannot afford meat coming from animals raised is non-hellish condition. if every cow and chicken was to be raised outdoor then the price would increase dramatically (and i'm not sure if there would be enough space for that to happen).

>> No.19550832

>>19550814
Why is it necessary to kill the animals at all, rather than letting them live? Just wondering. Is it because you can't live without that flavour on your tongue?

>> No.19550842

>>19550814
>we do them a favor bro

Here come the carni script kiddies. The will to power guy is late.

>> No.19550881

>>19550740
The only reason we don't torture puppies is women would refuse to sleep with us if they found out. Why would I want to sleep with a vegan?

>> No.19550887

>>19550881
Lol what the f
Uck

>> No.19550914
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>>19550740
Animals and humans are ontologically different.

That doesn't mean the moral question of vegetarianism is thrown out, or that factory farming shouldn't be morally criticised irrespective of one's own diet, but it does mean a puppy is not a cow.

>> No.19550919

>>19550797
>>19550805
>>19550811
>>19550813
Not everyone lives in a hellhole. Our cattle and chickens literally walk around the village. The farmer is always very gentle when the time comes, as nobody likes meat full of adrenaline outshit of chinese shitholes.

Claiming that "protein is protein" is also full retard. First off all protein bioavailability is a thing and second of all there are other igredients, essentiell, which you consume through meat and bone, like collagen and a multitude of meat specific vitamins.

Why are retarded vegans always acting like there is no traditional way of ethical animal husbandry and instead promoting the globohomo diet which not only is taking a tool on your health but also fucking up the envoirement due to international transports, monocultures and the buying up of essential basic food sources for native populationation like quinoa? Plus they need to choke on vitamins to not look like a holocausted oven dodger.

Here are all the studies showing that vegan dies literally make you ino a retarded manlet:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EPyssWASiOuNurbc2FyibL-5ZK1wwPEPMuTbjzD-auw/edit?usp=sharing

>> No.19550931

>>19550919
yap yap yap, I've been vegan for almost 3 years and my blood work is fine and I exercise hard. nobody cares about your cringe farmer joe fantasies, you kill animals for money, their blood is on your hands, not mine, keep coping.

stop politicizing the consumption of fruits and vegetables. I don't eat impossible burger globohomo slop, either. you are not owed the flesh of another being's... being because you can take it, anymore than you are owed your mother's flesh because your body can digest it without protest.

>muh studies
Give me a break.

>>19550914
no they aren't you cringe spoot

>> No.19550935

>>19550919
bruh big farm is globohomo you backwards cunt

>> No.19550953

>>19550740
Imagine basing your entire personal philosophy off of a blatant false equivalency. I have seriously cut down my meat intake over the recent years, especially eliminating most red meat. But it's because vegetarian meals are easy to cook, tasty and don't leave me bloated, not because I watched some gay documentary about how meat = bad and ate it all up like the good little shill that I am.

>> No.19550955

>>19550919
>>19550919
I never said you have to stop eating meat, I said buying meat from the store is immoral and disgusting, which you will be complicit in, now that you've been adequately informed about what you're doing. Go ahead and continue if you truly believe you need to eat meat to function, I just think that creating suffering for flavour isn't morally acceptable.

>> No.19550958

Nonsense.
1. Empathy (not sympathy) is an important pillar of morale.
2. Empathy with animals is common for humans.
3. Repressing your empathy with animals has side effects on empathy in general.
4. Since empathy is an important pillar for morale you should not temper with it.

Read Kant. Humans are the only things that matter.

>> No.19550966

>>19550958
>Humans are the only things that matter.
No.

>> No.19550967

>>19550953
Is this how someone gets out of forming coherent arguments? Just blather about "imagine having a different view that Im too stupid to comprehend?"
Lol if you don't want a discussion why bother posting? You say the equivalency is false but you lack the mental fortitude to articulate why that is.

>> No.19550972

>>19550805
>Plants aren't sentient and cannot be tortured
Wrong.

>> No.19550974

>>19550740
godless hedonists have no reason to say no. human beings are innately immoral, there's no point even trying

>> No.19550976

>>19550740
No one is eating puppies

>> No.19550980

>>19550958
What the fuck are you talking about? I have read Kant, he proports that rational beings are the only things capable of moral agency. What the fuck does that have to do with the suffering of non-rational beings? You are a brainlet

>> No.19550982

>>19550972
plants are not sentient, they have no central nervous system. this argument is retarded and if you ask any serious biologist he will say it is
just say "I have no empathy and I don't care" instead of this clownish roundabout

>> No.19550983

>>19550967
He's trying to pass himself off as some utilitarian free thinker, typical boy soul larping that he's too good to be persuaded by documentary footage of brutalized animals because he's a min/maxing bugman

>> No.19550984

>>19550972
Retard moment

>> No.19550989

>>19550976
Great post. Big brain behind it

>> No.19550991

>>19550767
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>>19550989
You will never be a woman

>> No.19550993

>>19550958
Kant would argue that BECAUSE we are rational beings we would have a responsibility to treat animals morally

>> No.19550996

>>19550989
>Baby animals raised as house pets are the same as full grown livestock raised for meat because.. THEY JUST ARE OKAY!!

>> No.19550998

>>19550991
You will never be a cow

>> No.19551007

>>19550996
I'm aware you're unable to abstract at this level, you may be excused from the thread

>> No.19551018

cows, pigs, and chickens are ugly. my cross-species sympathy only kicks in if the animal in question is cute. therefore i will always prioritize my appetite over the lives of ugly animals. cats and dogs are cute so it is immoral to eat them. oh and i would probably eat human meat too if it was ethically sourced and I liked how it tasted

>> No.19551020

>>19550980
>I have read Kant
You obviously haven't because that is what he wrote about cruelty against animals in Metaphysik der Sitten, Teil 2: Metaphysische Anfangsgründe der Tugendlehre, §17, neu hrsg. v. Ludwig, Bernd (1990), Hamburg, S.84

>> No.19551021

This thread turned me vegan after seeing how consuming animals makes you retarded

>> No.19551025

>>19550740
been vegan for around 6 or 7 months, vegetarian for a bit over a year. I gotta say, its not so difficult, and I'm in decent physical shape. Like, yes, when I get the vegan whey protein (yes its a real thing, and identical to whey from cows--just came out) in the mail, I'm sure I'll build muscle easier; but the fact of the matter is that I didn't turn into a fucking stick the moment I stopped eating animal products. Not only does one feel closer to life, it also helps one develop a level of self-control and discipline. Also eating meat is for poor undercaste low savage people who are not dissimilar from animals themselves. It's an unacceptable practice for a Twice-Born such as myself.

>> No.19551035

>>19551025
Based

>> No.19551045

>>19550931
>muh bloodwork
Show me your ferritin and CPR, as well as HoloTC. Bons for TSH, ft4 and 3. All that while no taking pills.
btw I was vegan for 7 years. Your body will autophage for around that long till it openly degrades. That's when the crazy takes over, at last if those vegans remain straight edge. 3 years you barely would have fucked up your hormornal level.

Just show me one (1) population (not sect or religious group, but families and kids) which at any point in huma history have been able to survive on a vegan diet. Best you can do is that american christian sect which larps as vegetarian but still eats a shitto of fish, which is partially even better than land meat.

Now go away, kiddo.

>> No.19551050

>>19551020
Hey, idiot, Kant simply says we don't have obligation to help animals, and that animal cruelty is justified only when the benefit to humans is outweighed to the harm to animals. Care to explain how tasting ground beef outweighs a cows right to life, you wannabe pseud?

>> No.19551056

>>19550919
Yeah I'd like to see these vegan shits cultivate beans in winter. Animals are a useful food reserve for when nothing will physically grow in the ground for months.

>> No.19551059

>>19551050
>and that animal cruelty is justified only when the benefit to humans is outweighed to the harm to animals.
No he doesn't. Read Kant. I already supplied the source, even the fucking page.
>cows right to life
There is no such thing.

>> No.19551060

>>19551045
You sound like you were too stupid to consume your macros. Typical of someone who reverts BACK to eating animals raised in their own filth.

>> No.19551062

>>19551045
What a load of cope. You almost got filtered out of the gene pool by broccoli lol.

And the Manichaeans were vegan.

>> No.19551067

>>19550740

I don't care about dogs either, so if they were the only source of meat available then yes, I wouldn't hesitate to eat them as well.

>> No.19551075

Do as thou wilt

>> No.19551076

>>19551067
I love how subhumans like you act like being born deficient is an argument, or that it makes you look cool.

>> No.19551086

>>19551060
I made my Seitan, sprouting my beans and lentils left and right, chunking down powders, 5htmf, colo, kelp and what not, all there is from stock, supplement everything and my joints eeked like that of a geriatric. Tehre is no real vegan collagen, which is one of thoe essential building blocks for omnivores. And vegans act like just because we are omnivores we can remain herbivores for life. Plus bioavailability is shit for iron, even with an omnivore diet your ferritin will be on the low side and plant iro is like 1-2% bioavailable without fermentation.
You kids have no idea what you are talkig about.

My gums also receded due to the lack of building blcoks at 6+ years, whie constantly bleeding. My farts where bioweapons as the human colon isn't made for all that plant matter (gut to body length, look it up), my skin looked like an reptilian dry and shit and due to the shitty gut nurishment I become uper depressive and obsessed with shit. Basically the crazy began to go up.

All those insta vegans which are there for longer while looking fresh as fuck? Guess what, hey all splurge on hamburges and fucking tendies. You literally at one point will become obsessed with meat, all you will be able to think about. Your body will scream for it and all you can do it to look up anima gore to pressure sourself away from it.

Enjoy.

>> No.19551091

>>19551045
>no pills
Just as the vegetarian diet really only developed with the advent of advanced agricultural practices in the iron age, the vegan diet only came about with the advent of global capitalism and the vast trade networks required for me to get algae oil capsules and excessively strong multivitamins. Such preparations as these were infeasible in even the 19th century, and now they're in every supermarket.

>>19551056
ever heard of DRIED beans? I have like 20 pounds of dry beans in my pantry rn.

>>19551076
why are they subhuman; isn't it human to follow one's base desires with no hesitation? No, ours is a path for those who wish to overcome.

>>19551086
ok this is just bullshit come on. You went too far.

>> No.19551096

>>19550740
Why do we assume essential equality between let's say a cow and a dog? They're different animals with different functions, no reason to treat them the same.

>> No.19551098

>>19551076
I don't understand this thread. where are you all getting the idea that animals have rights? the only scenario in which it is morally wrong to hurt animals when they are someone else's property.

>> No.19551103

>>19551025

This is potential pasta (if not already). What a self-indulgent dingus.

>> No.19551104

>>19551091
>this is just bullshit
I wish. Believe me. I was so vegan and proud. Juding all those subhumans for still eating meat after watching earthlings. I didn't even consume fuking honey. You don't have to believe me, if you stick to beng straight edge vegan you will absolutely get to the same point. You will crowl on your knees and eat that fucking burger someone left at your house after a party like you havent eaten in years. And you will not think a second about the fucking animal which diet for it. Your main goal will be to get mor in your meat frenzy. It'S actually in retrospect really funny.

Afterwards it will get better, tho you might have to get a couple times at this point till you realize that it doesn't work.

>> No.19551109

>>19551091
The pure bliss of eatig my first chicken breast after all those years. Nothing has tasted that good every since. A simple piece of gouda cheese. Pure ambrosia.

>> No.19551110

>>19551098
Where are you getting the idea we give a shit about "animal rights"? We're talking about animal welfare, as living beings worthy of moral consideration, not political recognition.

>> No.19551113

>>19551104
Nobody cares, you're weak and caved.

>> No.19551114

>>19551110
ok sure, thats what i meant. what is your answer?

>> No.19551115

>>19551110
Not that anon - why are they worthy of moral consideration? Just don't come up to me with the WEIRD harm avoidance autism, I'm defective in one way or another and don't recognise the point and believe me I tried.

>> No.19551116

>>19550767
>Nobody here tortures cattle fo meat. Theey live off the land, get sedated before cutting their throat and made into essential nutrition
That's simply not true, the vast majority of cattle aren't grass fed, and the slaughter process in factory farms is traumatic. The cattle can hear and smell the slaughter and try to escape when in the pen. As for essential nutrition, there are healthy vegetarians and vegans, so it's clearly not essential for everyone.

>> No.19551117

>>19550740
>Would YOU torture a puppy for something like taste or pleasure?
Yes

>> No.19551118

>>19550740
>Would YOU torture a puppy for something like taste or pleasure?
Yes. When I was a kid I had plenty of fun torturing pidgeons frogs, rats and kittens actually

>> No.19551119

>>19551086
>I become uper depressive and obsessed with shit
sounds like you were obsessed before and after you were vegan bro

>> No.19551123

>>19551113
Haha, okay kid. Please report back in 5-6 years. You will think about my words when your body makes you eat again. Enjoy that first piece of actual food in years while knowing that I told you so.

>> No.19551128

>>19551104
i've been vegan 7 years and i haven't even looked after my diet that well. i'm doing fine brother

>> No.19551132

>>19551115
Why aren't they? I want to beat glorified calculators like you into mulch. You're alive, they're alive, we're all destined for death on this rock and the least we can do is not make this world hell, too. Christ almighty.

>>19551123
I really won't, I've passed kidney stones that never had me running back to mcgriddles like a pussy. You're weak.

>vegan 7 years
>muh actual food

Lol that's how I know you're larping kid.

>> No.19551134

>>19551076

The only subhuman here is you: a faulty by-product of civilization. A denier of his own condition, a puppet, someone that elevates his stupid diet to a sacred level... better get yourself a real religion, kiddo.

>> No.19551144

>>19551132
>we're all destined for death on this rock and the least we can do is not make this world hell
>I want to beat you into mulch
nice

>> No.19551153

>>19551144
To love, one must be capable of hate.

>>19551134
Slavishly obeying your "condition" is the mark of a slave, not a warrior. You got shit twisted my bro.

>> No.19551155

>>19551132
>I want to beat glorified calculators like you into mulch.
You are the glorified calculator mr. WEIRD guy. Life isn't about minimalising harm or maximalising pleasure, please stop with this autistic bullshit because I don't buy it and I won't.

>> No.19551162

>>19551144

Vegans are nihilistic and life-deniers like overgrown children who cannot accept reality for what it is, so they keep trying -and always fail- to impose their warped moral view into nature. I found them repulsive.

>> No.19551164

>>19551155
Not wanting to kill another living thing, a fellow sojourner in the void, in order to consume the most intimate part of itself is only some autistic moral calculus to.... you guessed it, glorified calculators.

>> No.19551165 [DELETED] 

>>19550931
Vegans are only healthy because globalism allows them to be. If you had to survive off only local foods, you'd be fucked. An omnivore or even carnivore surviving off of truly local foods would do better than the vegan. The healthiness of veganism is illusory bullshit.

>> No.19551166

>>19551162
>I affirm life by slaughtering 200 million animals day
nice one bro, really did me a think lol.

>> No.19551176

>>19551164
No. This is the exact same pig philosophy as utilitarianism, you've just expanded it to include literal pigs you moron.

>> No.19551182

>>19551165
This, they are the child of globalism and the destruction of living in unison with nature, while actually larping as friends of animals and nature. Pure retardation. They also hate themselves and would rather starve themselves and their children just to "safe" an animal. Meanwhile that animal gets gutted alive by a wolf or like that deer which calf got eaten still in the bubble right after being born. That's nature. Even chinks have a hard time being that brutal.

But oh the horror, the animal gets knocked out before slaughter and doesn't even get a thing. Fucking emotional brainlets.

>> No.19551183

>>19551176
>Savitri devi was a utilitarian
lol. don't get mad at me because you're retarded

>> No.19551187

>>19551183
>gets told off
>starts purity spiralling from the right

ywnbaw

>> No.19551196

>>19551166

So if I hunted
my meal, would you be fine with it?

>> No.19551208

>>19551187
noble souls do not kill and swallow bodies. it's nothing to do with some moral calculus, it's temperamental, through and through. if you don't get it, you don't get it, stop trying to dunk on me like some cringe tiktoker, it won't work.

>>19551196
only if you did it out of necessity which, let's face it, you don't.

>> No.19551213

>>19551208
>only if you did it out of necessity which, let's face it, you don't.

Exactly what I meant: A life-denier.

>> No.19551217

>>19551213
more like a hobby-denier lol. at least I don't share arguments and rhetoric with /tv/ cunnyposters lmao

>> No.19551239
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19551239

All of you are fucking libs and this discussion shows the limitations of liberalism. YOU ARE NOT PERSONALLY ETHICALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR INDUSTRIAL SOCIETY.

YOU ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CONDITION OF THE WORLD.

ABSTAINING FROM MEAT DOES NOT AFFECT THE GLOBAL MEAT ECONOMY.

CHEWING AND DIGESTING MEAT IS NOT ETHICALLY EQUIVALENT TO SLAUGHTERING IT.

YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER THE BUSINESS DECISIONS OF THE MEAT INDUSTRY.

>> No.19551252

>>19551239
>"not my problem" brainlets
lol you are a scourge

I do it for myself, not for society. it's hilarious how american individualists are exactly the kind of collectivist bugman they accuse the Chinese of being.

>> No.19551253

>>19551239
Further

ALL PRODUCTION OF ALL CONSUMABLE GOODS IS A NET HARM FOR THE WORLD ECOLOGICALLY.

PRODUCING VEGAN FOOD ON AN INDUSTRIAL SCALE ALSO REQUIRES THE DEATHS OF MILLIONS OF RODENTS AND INSECTS.

"ORGANIC" FARMING ALSO USES PESTICIDE.

ALL CLOTHING, ELECTRONICS, APPLIANCES, BUILDING MATERIALS, CARS, AND FOSSIL FUELS require ENVIRONMENTAL DESTRUCTION.

You are not ethically responsible for the world. If that were so, the only "ethical" way to live would be to throw yourself off the nearest bridge.

Don't be a jain, it's not true ahimsa

>> No.19551258

>>19551239
Even the single-digit percentage of people of are veggie has changed the food market already and has created backlash from meat industries. The meat producers, who know their business the best, are worried about a decrease in demand because of the vegetarian and vegan movements. So consumer habits definitely have an effect.

>> No.19551261

>>19551103
>this is how savages actually think
oh wait you dont think lol

>> No.19551268

>>19551253
The discussion so far has been about ethics of farming and slaughter rather than environment. If we accept for the sake of argument there is no net environmental benefit to veganism, the ethical argument remains unaffected.

>> No.19551275

>>19551253
>27kg of CO2 emissions per pound beef
>0.9kg per kilo of lentils
Cost of a pound of lentils at my supermarket: $1
Pound of beef: $5
anon...

>> No.19551282

>>19551239
>>19551253
>utility etc.

See: >>19550792

>> No.19551289

>>19550818
Depends on the country, the town, and the individual farmers.
>>19550814
If you don't even say what country you're from, your argument doesn't have much weight

>> No.19551292

>>19551268
see >>19551275
every method of agricultural has a net negative to the environment, because the "environment" is just the area arbitrarily defined as outside human dominion, and the economy productively exists to transform unutilized resources (including land) into capital. Saying that there's no difference because they both affect the "environment" is dumb because every human activity, at a civilizational level, affects the environment since the articulation of "the environment" as such is exclusive to the logic of capital.

>> No.19551293

>>19550792
Fuck off reddit

>> No.19551297

>>19551292
This. Damaging the environment is also bad for us. The more we damage it, the more we destroy our own resources. Of course we'd like to reduce our senseless damage of the environment

>> No.19551298

Has anyone managed to show that's its wrong to torture animals yet? Seems pretty important to establish that for this argument to have any merit.

>> No.19551300

>>19551298
Is it wrong to torture humans? If so, why?

>> No.19551302

>>19551298
lol, insect """""""""""""""""""""""""""""people""""""""""""""""""""""""" like this actually exist.

>>19551293
yeah man tons of redditors talking about "christological fractures in the order of being" over at r/veganism bro. totally

>> No.19551310

>>19551302
>lol, insect """""""""""""""""""""""""""""people""""""""""""""""""""""""" like this actually exist.
human beings have killed other creatures for their meat for as long as they've been around. It's almost a defining characteristic of us as organisms.

>> No.19551312

>>19551302
I'm saying your shitty fucking joke belongs on reddit.
>yeah man tons of redditors talking about "christological fractures in the order of being" over at r/veganism bro. totally
This is the most reddit shit I've ever heard. Aren't you fancy and intelligent

>> No.19551315

>>19551300
>>19551302
>argument not found
Can't see you getting round Is/Ought on this issue

>> No.19551319

>>19551315
Answer my questions, bitch boy. If you want to have a discussion we need to see where we stand on the more fundamental questions.

>> No.19551330

>>19551319
The burden of proof is on you fren. I don't have access to transcendental moral truth like you

>> No.19551331
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19551331

>Attack and defence, want and war, victory and defeat, lordship and thraldom, all sealed with the seal of blood: this from henceforth is the History of Man. The victory of the stronger is followed close by enervation through a culture taught them by their conquered thralls; whereon, uprooting of the degenerate by fresh raw forces, of blood-thirst still unslaked. Then, falling lower and yet lower, the only worthy food for the world-conqueror appears to be human blood and corpses: the Feast of Thyestes would have been impossible among the Indians; but with such ghastly pictures could the human fancy play, now that the murder of man and beast had nothing strange for it. And why should the imagination of civilised modern man recoil in horror from such pictures, when it has accustomed [229] itself to the sight of a Parisian slaughter-house in its early-morning traffic, and perhaps of a field of carnage on the evening of some glorious victory? In truth we seem to have merely improved on the spirit of Thyestes' feast, developing a heartless blindness to things that lay before our oldest ancestors in all their naked horror. Even those nations which had thrust as conquerors into hither-Asia could still express their consternation at the depths to which they had sunk, and we find them evolving such earnest religious ideas as lie at root of the Parsee creed of Zoroaster. Good and Evil, Light and Darkness, Ormuszd and Ahriman, Strife and Work, Creation and Destruction:—"Sons of the Light, have fear of the Shadow, propitiate the Evil and follow the Good!"—We here perceive a spirit still akin to the old Indus-people, but caught in the toils of sin, and doubting as to the issue of a never quite decisive fight.

>> No.19551334

>>19551331
>From of old, amid the rage of robbery and blood-lust, it came to wise men's consciousness that the human race was suffering from a malady which necessarily kept it in progressive deterioration. Many a hint from observation of the natural man, as also dim half-legendary memories, had made them guess the primal nature of this man, and that his present state is therefore a degeneration. A mystery enwrapped Pythagoras, the preacher of vegetarianism; no philosopher since him has pondered on the essence of the world, without recurring to his teaching. Silent fellowships were founded, remote from turmoil of the world, to carry out this doctrine as a sanctification from sin and misery. Among the poorest and most distant from the world appeared the Saviour, no more to teach redemption as path by precept, but example; his own flesh and blood he gave as last and highest expiation for all the sin of outpoured blood and slaughtered flesh, and offered his disciples wine and bread for each day's meal:—"Taste such alone, in memory of me." This the unique sacrament of the Christian faith; with its observance all the teaching of the Redeemer is fulfilled. As if with haunting pangs of conscience the Christian Church pursues this teaching, without ever being able to get it followed in its purity, although it very seriously should form the most intelligible core of Christianity.
>in our neat water-swilled shambles a daily blood-bath is concealed from all who at their mid-day meal shall feast upon the limbs of murdered household animals dressed up beyond all recognition.

>> No.19551336

>>19551330
>The burden of proof is on you
I'm not vegan, I was just hoping you weren't a bitch unwilling to have a discussion.

>> No.19551338

I eat meat because it tastes good.

>> No.19551387

Meat and animal fats are the most soluable and don't give me an upset stomach. Pretty much everything else does, and I find it more important to listen to my stomach than some fag on the internet.
I don't care if some scrawny faggot or a woman claims they are morally superior to me if I can heem them due to not being malnourished.

>> No.19551399

>>19551116
>there are healthy vegetarians and vegans
Idk man, most of the vegans I know look like skeletons and have no strength/athletic ability.

>> No.19551407

>>19551166
My life matters more than any other life

>> No.19551448

>>19551399
That's anecdote

>> No.19551458

>>19550967
The entire argument is "you wouldn't torture a dog so why would you eat meat". I shouldn't need to explain why that's fucking stupid.
>>19550983
I grew up on a farm. Meat is fine. I'm not stupid enough to think everything some retard with a nice voice tells me on Netflix is true.

>> No.19551468

>>19551458
Start with the GReeks >>19550773

>> No.19551470

>>19551448
Anecdote or not, several years of vegan diet depletes you so much you become a supplivore instead to cope.
Happens to all vegans before they break down and silently start eating meat again hoping nobody will step on their rat tails for being insufferable for years.

>> No.19551471

>>19550740
>Would YOU torture a puppy for something like taste or pleasure?
Yes, I would if it brought pleasure.

>> No.19551475

>>19551470
ps since vegans by nature are insufferable there is usually nobody to left to step on their tails because in the few years they decided to become extremely insufferable they alienate all of their friends and family.

>> No.19551482

>muh pleasure

Reminder that the Protestant diagnosis of man is unimpeachably correct.

>> No.19551539

>>19551091
>No, ours is a path for those who wish to overcome.

Transhumanist scum.

>> No.19551647

We fought millions of years to finally be on the top of the food chain. Why should we not be allowed to reap the rewards of our ancestors' hard work?

>> No.19551661

>>19551086
So you just had an unhealthy vegan diet. You shouldn't be subsisting on fad shit like seitan and supplements. The rule of thumb is to eat as many types of fresh fruit and veg as practical. The only supplement you strictly need is B12, your body produces enough of its own collagen if get the building block nutrients that can all be found in plant products.

All that said, everybody's body reacts differently to different diets. If there is a medical necessity, even vegans are fine with using an animal product.

>> No.19551688

>>19551661
>unhealthy diet
Homemade seitan is neither fad nor unhealthy and supplements are essential (see B12 and VitD). What do you think a vegan eats if not a shitton of vegetables? I never bought vegan fast food or even cold cuts.

Your body also produces DHA from ALA but that is nowhere enought to cut DHA out of your diet. Thats simply because our bodies have been optimzed to a diet full off animal produces where our endogen poducion, while still there, basically only functions pro forma. And no, we can't find all in plant matter. That's just a vegan lie or delusion (peak your poison). I dont care if you kids starve yourself. Just like with any other religion this realisation needs to come from within. I knew so many vegans, you wanna know how many of hose are sill vegan? Two. You wann know how many of them are radical-feminist-tier beyond saving delusional and manic on any topic at all, battling mental health and physical degenration left and right? Yeah, two.

But you'll realize it soon enought. Enjoy your moral high groud while you can. Realizing you've been an moralising asshole is a bitch. But youll grow from it.

>> No.19551720

>>19551688
No mature vegan would deny our bodies are optimized for meat, they know nature is debased. Your dick's also optimized for rape. Get to it, cuckold.

>> No.19551723

>>19550811
this guy eating beans

also, you're wrong. More water goes into making matching protein value veggies than into making meat.

>> No.19551782

>>19551720
Rape is the survival strategy of subpar individuals, my dick already fullfilled his biological prime directive in fertile omnivore wombs.

>> No.19551794

>>19551782
your biological prime directive is to deposit your genes into as many "fertile omnivore wombs" as possible. get to it, cuckold. you want daddy evolution to pat you on the head, don't you?

>> No.19551797

>>19550740

What a stupid image. The question is if torturing puppies is wrong, not if supporting factory farming is good or not.

Is torturing puppies wrong ? Yes. That's where it stops.

The next part "then it's wrong to support factory farming" is another argument which serves another question.

>> No.19551803

>>19551794
How about to try to even find a fertile womb instead of coping with veganism? I for one am curretly playing with one of my kids.

>> No.19551814

>>19551803
If I told you I have children, will I be allowed into the "real human bean" club? Your type never outgrew the "notice me senpai" kindergarten mentality, it's really pathetic.

>> No.19551820

>>19551814
Notice me senpai? You're the one constantly on and about how I need to rape, negro. I couldn't care for your reproductive success or lack thereof.

>> No.19551826

>>19551820
Likewise. You reproduced, congratulations bro, what an accomplishment.

>> No.19551827

>>19551826
Sour grapes are vegan at least.

>> No.19551853

>>19551827
"my reality is the only reality" - literal children

>> No.19551909

>>19550797
you should see how animals devour each other in the wild