/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.19520642]

>it’s in fashion among contrarian tankies to “hate” acclaimed, vaguely Trotskyite aligned, leftist authors like John Dos Passos and George Orwell because they dared to take a stand against Stalinism

Okay serious question then twittertards: if the NKVD committed a cold blooded murder(s) against your close friend(s) for fabricated, purely megalomaniacal reasons and then smeared them in death as “fascists” what would you do differently? You’re a liar, a coward, or a sociopath if you wouldn’t have become bitter with Soviet totalitarianism.

How can you possibly defend Stalinism either then or now?

[Anonymous No.19520657]

I’d be shocked if there are any unironic Stalinists on this board.

[Anonymous No.19520664]

>>19520657
Are you retarded? There’s tons. They’re all over Twitter too. Big accounts that get cross posted to here all the time like Kantbot and Logo Daedalus.

[Anonymous No.19520665]

What the fuck is your goddamn problem you fucking sheep? This isn't your fucking blog or your fucking Facebook page where you post your gay little rants about the latest tweets and news headlines that really grinded your gears. THIS IS A LITERATURE BOARD WHERE YOU ARE MEANT TO DISCUSS A BOOK WRITTEN BY AN AUTHOR. You haven't mentioned a single book which you want to discuss. Enjoy your fucking ban shitlord.

[Anonymous No.19520672]

>>19520657
The ones on /lit/ are Stalinists because they are demonic nihilists rather than because they are moral dogmatists

[Anonymous No.19520677]

they'll just deny shit like that actually happened then call it propaganda and/or say you can't make an omelet etc. lol

[Anonymous No.19520694]

>>19520677
yes. Not even a stalinist, but if you cannot take the consequences with the actions, what are you?

[Anonymous No.19520697]

>>19520677
I take solace in the knowledge that all the tankies would get killed while I'd have to work some shitty job for the government (like I do already).

[Anonymous No.19520705]

>>19520664
You’re arguing with boogeymen that don’t exist. Try Reddit.

[Anonymous No.19520707]

>>19520642
I wish people knew the difference between compassion and ideology.

[Anonymous No.19520711]

>>19520665
Orwell
>wrote the most famous novel of the 20th century whose terminology people dispatch frequently to this day in everyday speech

Dos Passos
>preeminent American leftist author of the 1930’s and Lost Generation alumni; friend and consultant with Hemingway before the Spanish Civil War

Sounds /lit/ to me. This certainly wouldn’t go on /his/ or /pol/.

[Anonymous No.19520720]

>>19520694
if the consequences are this dogshit for millions maybe it's time to rethink

[Anonymous No.19520723]

>>19520711
>1984
>most famous novel of the 20th century
source?

[Anonymous No.19520727]

>>19520642
>Okay serious question then twittertards: if the NKVD committed a cold blooded murder(s) against your close friend(s) for fabricated, purely megalomaniacal reasons and then smeared them in death as “fascists” what would you do differently?
I’d praise the state as my close friend has furthered the cause and their death is more impactful than their life. Stay seething

[Anonymous No.19520732]

>>19520642
Does anyone have an answer for what drives someone to become so ideologically possessed that they end up like the person you're describing? Essentially to establish an all encompassing worldview and to unconscioisly filter everything through without ever seriously questioning it. Also not only that, but to accuse others of being a victim of essentially that and not having the self-awareness to think even once:
>Hey, maybe I am a little off here...

[Anonymous No.19520735]

>>19520711
I've taken the liberty of spoilering any literature related words or themes in your post. The amount of black bars is discernibly lacking.

>>it’s in fashion among contrarian tankies to “hate” acclaimed, vaguely Trotskyite aligned, leftist authors like John Dos Passos and George Orwell because they dared to take a stand against Stalinism

>Okay serious question then twittertards: if the NKVD committed a cold blooded murder(s) against your close friend(s) for fabricated, purely megalomaniacal reasons and then smeared them in death as “fascists” what would you do differently? You’re a liar, a coward, or a sociopath if you wouldn’t have become bitter with Soviet totalitarianism.

>How can you possibly defend Stalinism either then or now?

[Anonymous No.19520759]

>>19520732
I think it is initially comforting to put your faith in a cause, to believe that it has all the answers, and to assume that it is really capable of delivering on its promises. I think I’ve heard that a personality trait called ‘low tolerance for ambiguity’ is associated with religious and political dogmatism

[Anonymous No.19520760]

>>19520735
>can't greentext between spoilers

lol fail

[Anonymous No.19520767]

>>19520735
Yo, are you ESL? All you did was use the spoiler tags around the subject of the sentence lmfao. Does that… does that like… not seem retarded to you at all? Are you just insanely stupid or are you a foreigner? Are familiar with how people communicate ideas through writing?

Also the second paragraph is also explicitly /lit/ related as it is clearly alluding to the untimely murder of Jose Robles (Don Passos close friend) and the betrayal and purge of the POUM (the Trotskyite militia Orwell served with)

So yeah, consider this checkmate you fucking retarded faggot

[Anonymous No.19520768]

>>19520760
Let's see you do it.

[Anonymous No.19520778]

>>19520767
I'm sorry what book is this about again? It seems to be a selection from your collected tweets. Are you Tao Lin by chance?

[Anonymous No.19520783]

I honestly don't think most "tankies" even know the difference.

[Anonymous No.19520786]

>>19520778
On /lit/ we can discuss authors and their lives… you know… authors? The people that write books?

[Anonymous No.19520797]

>>19520723
This. Harry Potter is more widely known.

[Anonymous No.19520814]

>>19520720
don't necessarily disagree, but context and concept are two different things. Might as well point to any actualization where the means did not reach its ends.

And in that statememtn its not so much if the means outweigh the ends, but if one ends is worth compromising another with. So if those things did happen and a well formed communist society came out the far end by means of actual mobilization, would that revolutionary means warrant that particular ends?

[Anonymous No.19520822]

>>19520797
>a children’s book from the last 3 years of the 20th century is also it’s most famous

[Anonymous No.19520825]

>>19520814
>So if those things did happen and a well formed communist society came out the far end by means of actual mobilization, would that revolutionary means warrant that particular ends?

sure why not but if my grandma had nuts i'd never be born so who cares, never gonna happen.

[Anonymous No.19520908]

you're literally making up someone to get mad at while sitting in your bedroom

[Anonymous No.19520927]

>>19520642
Op the quote you just posted sounds anti stalinist

[Anonymous No.19520972]

Why would I be friends with a Trotskycuck you stupid mutt? Can you think straight for one second? Loser.

[Anonymous No.19521132]

There are certainly Trotskyite theorists worth reading, Ernest Mandel for example should be considered essential reading being one of the best value theorists in post-war Marxism. Haymarket Books, arguably the best leftish publisher currently operating also has its origins in Trotskyite circles.

[Anonymous No.19521214]

>>19520786
You aren't discussing authors and their lives. You're discussing some strawman you've crafted or tweets you've seen that make you angry.