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[Anonymous No.19517672]

What is preventing you from seeing the light?

[Anonymous No.19517675]

I couldn't make it to page two. Repetitive mindless shit.

[Anonymous No.19517684]

>>19517675
How do you know it's repetitive if you didn't even make it to page two? The absolute state of Islamophobes.

[Anonymous No.19517687]

i'm legally blind

[Anonymous No.19517698]

>>19517672
Realising that it's actually demiurge worship.
I was raised muslim and unfortunately musim societies are beyond saving.
See the sunshine, Allah is not real. If it is, it's a demonic entity.

[Anonymous No.19517701]

>>19517698
what do you make of the big rock in mecca

[Anonymous No.19517715]

>>19517672
blinds

[Anonymous No.19517734]

>>19517672
Of all the major religions, islam has the most embarrassingly bad holy books.

[Anonymous No.19517736]

>>19517672
The Qur'an being shit. Get a better holy text and I may give it another shot

[Anonymous No.19517749]

>>19517701
If you mean the rock in the wall of black cube "kaaba", Muslims belive it's a rock from heaven.
Interestingly is has a shape of vagina.
They also belive kabaa is the fist temple of humans which Adam built.

[Anonymous No.19517781]

>>19517672
I was mostly turned off by the overall narcissism by allah in the Quran. It felt way too human like how a medieval king would talk to subject or slave... I don't think God would be like that or have such qualities of a human. Another one is how the god in the Quran always aggressively demands one to worship to him. For example i read in Muslim scripture where one of the prophets(forgot which one) talked to God about how much one should pray to him, The original count was around 50 times a day and the prophet talked him down to 5. I just don't see the creater of all things to be so narcissistic and needy of human attention. Of course all of this isn't exclusive to the Quran but found a lot in the bible and torah also.

Its a common theme i see when i read these books and makes me very strongly believe that the abrahamic god cannot be god.

[Anonymous No.19517809]

>>19517781
>I don't think God would be like that or have such qualities of a human
The end result of him making himself feared among humans is Muslims are much more serious about their religion than Christians. So it doesn't matter what you *feel* about Allah's methods. The end justifies the means.

[Anonymous No.19517812]

>>19517672
any religion that prohibits eating pork tenderloins is fucking gay.

[Anonymous No.19517814]

>>19517698
>>19517749
>They also belive kabaa is the fist temple of humans which Adam built
This is actually quite possible, though it can't be verified by historical records. But there must be a reason why the oral tradition lasted for so long

[Anonymous No.19517839]

"Surely for those who have disbelieved, it is all the same whether you warn them or you warn them not: they do not believe. Allah has set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing; and on their eyes there is a covering, and for them awaits a mighty punishment."
-Surah 2:6-7
Allah is preventing us from seeing the light OP. We have no choice.

[Anonymous No.19517851]

idgaf anyway religion is made for to divide people

[Anonymous No.19517871]

>>19517672
Islam removes all creative outlets for males in order to harness the inner aggression of males so that they can then send those aggressive males towards their enemy. No music - the bullshit they call music is not music, no art - while caligraphy is artsy it's not real art, no freedom to pursue individualism - aka to escape from retarded normies, no whores - inability to contain sexual desire.

In the end the man is limited to such a degree that he grows an inhuman animalistic rage that he should have rightfully used against his spiritual captors in order to breakaway from his other-wordly slave. But he can't. Those losers have thought things through and the moment he reaches tipping point, they jump out of the woodwords and then state "psst, the reason you're miserable is because of those non-believers over there! Did we mention 99 virgins in heaven btw!?".

It's a pathetic religion, and despite my rage against its believers - slaves, I do pity them as they were born into servitude with no ability to escape. They're brainwashed so hard that they have no hope, no light at the end of the tunnel, and thus that do indeed develop critical thinking skills to question the belief, fear to leave for their life - because these losers will kill him/her.

[Anonymous No.19517898]

Mainly the beheadings and pedophilia. What you do is what you believe in

[Anonymous No.19517901]

>>19517871
That's 72 houris. 99's is the number of the Names and Attributes of Allah.

[Anonymous No.19517922]

>>19517814
Kaaba has built and destroyed many times in the past. Islamic Scholars says it's the "House of God". Do you think a God like an Allah, which is a very narcissistic one as it mentioned in this thread, would be okay with his house in the world getting destroyed?
Many concepts of the Allah in Islam is personalized like other abrahamic religions but Allah is the enemy of the people, Islam doesn't improve quality of life in general. Spiritualism and esoteric concepts (magic, other ritual forms) are forbidden.
Anyway, researching Islam is not a bad thing but be careful about what you learning as always.
Also, Islam is much more closer to Judaism than Christianity. Judaism and Islam are cousin religions if you ask me.

[Anonymous No.19517934]

>>19517871
As I said before, I was raised muslim and I'm not muslim anymore. Everything this anon says is true.

[Anonymous No.19517952]

>>19517814
No, this is in fact demonstrably wrong. The Kaabah was built by the Sabaeans, and was built to hono Al-Maka, their moon goddess. In fact the Greeks also knew about ancient Mecca, and identified it as such as well, which confirms it. Furthermore, there's absolutely zero evidence that points towards any kind of Arabian polytheism before the hanifiya or al Hums

[Anonymous No.19517958]

ar*bs

[Anonymous No.19517973]

>>19517952
I just repeated what Islamic Scholars says in Turkey. They might be wrong like they are wrong about many other things. Of couse I know kaaba was an point of interest for many religions, thank you for the information, I will look it up.

[Anonymous No.19518045]

>>19517672
Most of Islam is based on the Hadith to begin with, so you’re basically following rules based on what some guys claimed Muhammad might have said or done( not even what he said to do).
Even if you take the Quranist position, the book is hard to understand what it’s trying to say, even in translation. For instance, the whole debate about whether Surah 4’s passage on the crucifixion is docetic, a statement on God raising Jesus from the dead and thus thwarting the Jew’s bragging that they killed him, or something else is a consequence of how weirdly phrased the verses are, even to Arabic speakers. Ironic when it than says “we have sent down a clear book”.

[Anonymous No.19518050]

What's the most significant translate of the Koran? I'm interested, but I don't want to waste time with an insignificant translate. Like, what version is the "King James" version in terms of reach and impact?

[Anonymous No.19518085]

>>19518045
>so you’re basically following rules based on what some guys claimed Muhammad might have said
someone who doesnt know how hadiths work. If 1 individual claims person X said something, there's a chance it might be untrue, but if 100 people says they heard person X saying the same thing, the possibility of that happening is nearly 100%.

[Anonymous No.19518104]

>>19518085
The hadiths are full of retarded takes that make the prophet look bad anyway.

>Narrated from Râfi` b. Khurayj: The Prophet (peace be upon him) had come to Madînah while they were cross-pollinating their date palms. He asked: “What are these people doing?”
>They replied: “This is something that has been our practice.”
>He said: “Maybe if you were not to do so, it would be good.”
>So they abandoned it and the crop that resulted was impoverished. They mentioned this to him and he said: “I am only a human being. When I command you with something regarding your religion, accept it. When I command you with something from my own opinion, then I am only a human being.”

[Anonymous No.19518106]

>>19517672
But anon I HAVE seen the light

[Anonymous No.19518111]

Muslims have not been able to convince me that the claims made by that book are true. They also seem to be able to understanding or considering the positions of others and instead just repeating the positions they've been told. It honestly seems to me that most people who embrace this faith become incapable of abstract thought.

[Anonymous No.19518130]

>>19518085
>if 100 people says they heard person X saying the same thing, the possibility of that happening is nearly 100%.

Not really. People are really very easily manipulated and fill in the gaps themselves. Eyewitness accounts always differ.

[Anonymous No.19518133]

>>19518085
The hadiths are retarded and full of bad takes that make the prophet look retarded anyway.

>Narrated by Musa b. Talha that his father said: "I and Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) happened to pass by people near the date-palm trees. He (the Holy Prophet) said: What are these people doing? They said: They are grafting, i. e. they combine the male with the female (tree) and thus they yield more fruit. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said: I do not find it to be of any use. The people were informed about it and they abandoned this practice. Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) (was later) on informed (that the yield had dwindled), whereupon he said: If there is any use of it, then they should do it, for it was just a personal opinion of mine, and do not go after my personal opinion; but when I say to you anything on behalf of Allah, then do accept it, for I do not attribute lie to Allah, the Exalted and Glorious."

[Anonymous No.19518159]

>>19518111
That is the point of the faith; to galvanize men who have lost all of their outlets into aggression that then will be pointed conviniently subverted and pointed towards the non-believers, rather than the real enemy which is the faith itself for causing such state.

[Anonymous No.19518190]

The problem isn't islam it's Sunnis who effectively destroy the country they enter Indonesia, Malaysia, Pakistan, Bangladesh the Arabs proclaim the arabic language is superior and gives them no power in the religion. The Shias could theoretically get someone from any country to rule thus giving flexibility and some hope to the common people. The Sunnis are in the habit nowadays of calling people nonbelievers and barring people from heaven. The ottoman empire didn't even get printing presses for hundreds of years due to their insecurity, yet they let Jewish people run and own the printing presses to print kabblalistic work. Try being a completely orthodox Sunni and you'll probably kill yourself, no poetry, music, art, storytelling or playwrighting, anime, manga, dance, film if you don't find it artistic. Maybe philosophy and science is art but if your demanding the average person to read Kant they'll give up and die. Actually if science and philosophy are logical they're probably not art. If you can live in an artless world be Sunni.

[Anonymous No.19518225]

>>19518190
>Try being a completely orthodox Sunni and you'll probably kill yourself, no poetry, music, art, storytelling or playwrighting, anime, manga, dance, film if you don't find it artistic.
Why lust after these pale imitations of the real thing, when you have Allah?

[Anonymous No.19518228]

>>19518133
Lol why would he comment on something he doesn't know anything about? Absolute state of Sunnis

[Anonymous No.19518240]

How can you know the quran is bad if you haven't read it in the original language?

[Anonymous No.19518241]

>To read the Bible is therefore to discover God anew. Islam is to a certain extent heir to this content of the Old Testament (particularly in its concept of the transcendence of God and His radical distinctness from the world). However, in other respects it represents a regression in terms of the biblical concept of God. As Father Mourabac has clearly pointed out, Islam loses the historical dimension of the biblical God to the degree that the intervention of the Prophet is not the announcement of an eschatological act by God at the end of time, greater than anything He has accomplished in the past ("Remember not former things ... behold I do new things,” said Isaias) but has for its object merely to bring back to its pure state a primitive monotheism constantly on the decline.

>Thus, in Islam, time loses the positive dimension it had in Judaism and in Christianity. We are back to a vertical concept of the relationship between man and God. On that score, there is a kind of loss. While retaining from the Bible the concept of a transcendent and holy God. Islam loses the idea of the action.

[Anonymous No.19518244]

>>19518225
But what if - and stay with me on this one, Allah isn't real? Imagine living your entire life as a spiritual slave to a concept that turned out to be false.

I sure as hell wouldn't want to be a Sunni when that happens.

[Anonymous No.19518254]

>>19517781
>I don't think God would be like that or have such qualities of a human
Man was made in the image of god.

[Anonymous No.19518268]

>>19518244
>what if Allah isn't real?
I've seen his face. He's real

[Anonymous No.19518269]

>>19518254
> Man was made in the image of god.
God was made as an amagamation of man's need for a father, wish to transcend mortality and a need to master a turbulent world.

[Anonymous No.19518271]

>>19518190
>no poetry, music, art, storytelling or playwrighting, anime, manga, dance, film
I do all of those, I just don't eat pork.

[Anonymous No.19518274]

>>19517698
The demiurge isn't evil

[Anonymous No.19518286]

>>19517672
Pretty sure by its rules I’m already going to hell no matter what I do, so

[Anonymous No.19518289]

>>19518244
The One God is most definitely real. It's the same result in which all respectable metaphysical traditions conclude. In fact I converted to Islam after reading too much Platonism and German idealism. Can't say I'm fond of Sunnism though.

[Anonymous No.19518293]

>>19518271
Then the faith has been 'corrupted', and you're essentially just larping Islam the way Westerners larp Christianity.

[Anonymous No.19518297]

>>19518268
Even Muhammad had to close his eyes in the presence of Allah.

[Anonymous No.19518306]

>>19518297
Yes. I have seen him though.

[Anonymous No.19518310]

>>19518297
>Eyes
In my mind's eye

[Anonymous No.19518314]

>>19517684
>"Islamophobes"
The absolute state of Muslim apologists. Immediately claim bigotry. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.19518318]

>>19518306
Allah has no "face". You have been deluded by a jinn most probably.

[Anonymous No.19518319]

>>19518289
While the concept of One God might be real, the representation of his image most likely isn't. The same way autists write fantasy books with excessive worldbuilding can also be the same way the autists of old did their thing.

You can't give the concept of 'One God' qualities that are given by second-hand accounts, and we have no idea if they're real. I can larp as someone who can speak to god, and if I'm charismatic enough, enough retards will follow me and then what's the difference between your faith and the hypothetical mine?

[Anonymous No.19518328]

>>19518318
>Allah has no "face"
How do you know, have you seen him?

[Anonymous No.19518372]

>>19518225
Some people try to get livelihoods through writing (I don't think you need to express yourself in writing I.e secrets and relationships) but the biggest problem is that without art you just get depressed because you have no entertainment or way to express yourself through it. The Qur'an is enjoyable if you can interpret it like any other religious text but if it's already been interpreted and the laws are made what are you getting out of it. If you believe Aisha was correct in trying to overthrow Ali because he couldnt fight a strong religious sect so she would destroy his army and get revenge (If she could fight them why did she fight ali? And why did she rebel when Muhammad said not to?) Swearing the Shia oath is super easy fyi.

[Anonymous No.19518387]

>>19518319
Indeed the One God cannot in anyway be described--except in the way in which He Himself wants to be described. His infinitude transcends any description. If you describe Him, you have limited Him to your description, but he defied all limitations. You are right then to be wary of any representations of Him, because no such representation could be given by us. But if He gives us some imperfect representation for our imperfect minds, asking us at the same time to remember these are merely imperfect descriptions, then He provides us with a way for us to become closer and closer to Him. You might benefit from reading the sermons of Ali.

[Anonymous No.19518400]

>>19518318
>And there will remain the Face of your Lord, Owner of Majesty and Honor[55:27]

[Anonymous No.19518411]

>>19517672
>God wrote this book himself because…. because…. BECAUSE HE JUST DID OK?!

[Anonymous No.19518429]

>>19518372
The Shia faith also heavily restricts all arts. While it does not outright prohibit them as Sunnism does, it gives a very narrow definition for music, poetry, etc. to conform to in order to be permissible. I would say more than 90 percent of the "arts" created and consumed in today's world is impermissible by their criteria.

[Anonymous No.19518544]

>>19517684
It's literally "Most merciful, the greatest" repeated every third sentence and reads like trump's tweets

[Anonymous No.19518549]

>>19517672
Read Liber AL, it's much more fun.

[Anonymous No.19518567]

>>19518241
He looks fr*nch

[Anonymous No.19518573]

>>19518544
The repetitions sound nice in Arabic. I am sorry but your filthy anglo tongue filters you.

[Anonymous No.19518574]

>>19518429
Anything would be better then being strangled by not having any art to enjoy, the world view that everyone is illogical because they haven't read enough philosophy is soul crushing, just look at Joe Biden or Boris Johnson they probably haven't touched a philosophy book in 20 years admitting they are dumb would depress anyone.

[Anonymous No.19518577]

I'm afraid of muslims desu
T. swede

[Anonymous No.19518620]

>>19518544
lmao it's true

[Anonymous No.19518622]

>>19518544
>Implying most base religious texts don't do this too

[Anonymous No.19518688]

>>19518274
A false idol. Allah and it's religion is assimilation of demiurge in my understanding. Demiurge is not evil but Allah is.

[Anonymous No.19518708]

>>19518622
The bible absolutely doesn't do it to that extreme degree

[Anonymous No.19518714]

>>19517672
I like having anal sex with women and you arent allowed to do that in Islam.

[Anonymous No.19518804]

>>19518544
because it's a poem

[Anonymous No.19519038]

>>19517672
>Light

>But even if we or an angel from heaven should proclaim to you a gospel contrary to what we proclaimed to you, let that one be accursed!
>For such boasters are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder! For even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.

[Anonymous No.19519045]

>>19518567
he is

[Anonymous No.19519053]

>>19519038
How do you know that that specific gospel is the right one and not the others?

[Anonymous No.19519054]

>>19518714
Anal sex is gay. In Islam you're supposed to fuck her right in the pussy

[Anonymous No.19519080]

>>19519038
>Boasters
Well that settles it then since he wasn't a boaster

[Anonymous No.19519098]

>>19518387
Well we're in agreement of something here at least. All descriptions of God, no matter what culture and religion are faulty, and if God is described in his complete form, then he's no true God and is at best a sort of demigod figure.

But here's a concept I've yet to see being discussed in pretty much any and all religions; what if God is grand, so great, so incomprehencibly powerful, that we are quite literally beneath his notice? The same way beings such us can never truly gaze at the atomic model of the universe in it's real submicroscopic form, what if the "One God" is to us what we are to atoms?

And what if that "One God", in turn is like an atom to an even greater God, who in turn is also like an atom to even greater deity and so on and so forth.

[Anonymous No.19519104]

>>19519053
I trust my instincts.

[Anonymous No.19519148]

>>19519098
I wouldn't use the word 'faulty', since it perfectly serves its purpose of guiding us. Your other concept isn't as under-discussed as you seem to think. It just seems like a form of deism. God's grand all-encompassingness implies He is aware of even the most minute things, as He Himself says He is.

[Anonymous No.19519156]

>>19519104
Yes you did trust your instinct when you posted a pic of gigachad to compensate for your insecurity.

[Anonymous No.19519202]

>>19519156
Insecurity of what?

[Anonymous No.19519217]

>>19518714
Tell me what religions permit anal sex.
None of them do.

[Anonymous No.19519284]

>>19518429
I retract my statement about the lack of so called 'arts' philosophy, novels, plays, history books, science books, economics, sociology, psychology, even poetry (limited) are all readable if you want to understand the human condition and are permissible in Sunnism. So I'll stay Sunni.

[Anonymous No.19519336]

>>19519202
>He keeps reply
Screams of a insecurity

[Anonymous No.19519352]

>>19519148
If that is true, then aren't we all "God"?

[Anonymous No.19519388]

>>19519352
No.

[Anonymous No.19519396]

>>19519336
¿

[Anonymous No.19519400]

>>19518714
Why do you like it?
You can't do it either as a Christian or Jew, btw.

[Anonymous No.19519456]

>>19517871
Humans have good light in them, I met many muslims that are amazing people and religion is just a way of life at the end of the day. They don't think it of it like the way you think it is. Remember this is billions of people you are talking about. Qi-qong made me realize that all religions are universal not by way of scripture but the way of man.

[Anonymous No.19519522]

>>19518574
Philosophers are the most dumbest people alive.

[Anonymous No.19519622]

>>19517871
wtf are you on about???

lmaoo

>>19517672
ay i don't care about light brah just don't be an ass. Simple as. Chuds will hate though