/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.19490546]

I'm unable to overcome the nihilism of Peter Wessel Zapffe, /lit/.

I can't even eat or sleep properly after reading The Last Messiah. The thought of consciousness being a result of matter and the cause of all suffering is too much for me to live with. Is there anything that I can read that will challenge my materialism/pessimism/nihilism? I don't know how I'm going to live if I keep seeing the world in this way.

Any suggestion is greatly appreciated. I just want to get through this.

[Anonymous No.19490580]

>>19490546
I really envy all of you whose emotions are tied so closely to ideas you've read about.

[Anonymous No.19490586]

>>19490546
>materialism/pessimism/nihilism
What the fuck bro? These things are synonymous. Even Zapffe himself wasn't sure how the fuck consciousness emerged. Most Pessimists aren't materialists.

Do you know Zapffe was in love with rock climbing? He was a great /out/door guy and admitted mount climbing is a cope but an excellent one. Go try some off that shite.

[Anonymous No.19490601]

>>19490546
>Peter Wessel Zapffe
Great name. Second place to Charles Taze Russell, I'd say.

[Anonymous No.19490619]

>>19490586
>Even Zapffe himself wasn't sure how the fuck consciousness emerged

I thought he argued that it was somehow a product of matter? Doesn't he state that only material exists in TLM?

[Anonymous No.19490658]

>>19490546
i personally believe that nietzsche was refuted by zapffe, but he might help you nonetheless. read on the genealogy of morals. do not subject yourself to the spiritual poison that the sickly in life use to cope with it.

[Anonymous No.19490678]

>>19490658
Does anyone come close to refuting Zapffe?

Also, what have you found that helps you endure?

[Anonymous No.19490809]

>>19490658
what is this spiritual poison you are reffering to?

[Anonymous No.19490821]

>>19490546
maybe Bernardo Kastrup

[Anonymous No.19490827]

Langan.
https://youtu.be/8GkU91ORLvg

[Anonymous No.19490835]

>>19490821
I read two of his books. They helped me temporarily but I witnessed a loved one have a stroke recently and seeing how it changed them I was plummeted back to doubt

[Anonymous No.19490850]

>>19490546
Lobotomize yourself. Get rid of the thing that plagues you so. But what's it worth to lose the very thing by which you understand how and why you're suffering?

[Anonymous No.19490875]

>>19490678
>Does anyone come close to refuting Zapffe?
not from what i know. nietzsche provides an opposite point of view though.
>Also, what have you found that helps you endure?
nothing because i love zapffe and his ideas. when nietzsche started talking about asceticism and slave morality and the like, it really resounded with me. these pessimistic ideas are like medicine to people who suffer from life, but poison to the healthy.

[Anonymous No.19490920]

>>19490809
pessimism, nihilism, slave morality, ressentiment, etc. its all cut from the same cloth.

[Anonymous No.19490943]

>>19490546
NIETZSCHE

[Anonymous No.19490958]

MALIGNANTLY

[Anonymous No.19490998]

Zapffe'd!

[Anonymous No.19491137]

>>19490619
>>19490835
I don't even agree with him all the time, but Kastrup's system is supposed to be compatible with that sort of thing. He's not a dualist, he's an objective idealist. Materialism is a dead end though.
Materialists love to point out how brain damage is somehow proof of materialism. Well, how is suffering from a stroke any different from smashing my hand with a hammer? Of course physical events have an effect on the mind. That means nothing to me whatsoever.
Zapffe can act like the enlightened guru who has figured everything out and pretend everybody else is a stupid idiot, but I've yet to be convinced of materialism. That's the heart of the problem. Forget Zapffe's melodramaticism.
I myself believe in Leibniz's views from the Monadology.

[Anonymous No.19491174]

>>19490586
>"Man survives by isolation, sublimation, anchoring, distraction, and getting fucking YOKED YOU PHILOSOPHY SHITS!"

[Anonymous No.19491184]

>>19491174
Mogged everyone on /lit/

[Anonymous No.19491197]

>>19491137
Where do I go from Kastrup, though?

[Anonymous No.19491200]

>>19490586
>>19491174
How good was his pull out game?

[Anonymous No.19491212]

The same guy who interviewed Kastrup recently interviewed Langan. Idk though maybe this thread is not based enough.
https://youtu.be/N-bRM1kYuNA

[Anonymous No.19492053]

>>19490546
Bump

[Anonymous No.19492071]

>>19490958
USELESS

[Anonymous No.19492229]

>>19491197
>Where do I go from Kastrup, though?

[Anonymous No.19492263]

>>19490546
Materialism and nihilism are not compatible branches of thought. Unless you mean existential nihilism, which is pretty much just pessimism.

[Anonymous No.19492267]

>>19490546
Get into meditation

[Anonymous No.19492303]

>>19490546
If you could articulate his arguments it would make more sense for you to feel this way but I'm confused at your supposed conviction with so much lacking. Sounds like you don't understand your self and are unwillingly thrown this way and that by philosophies of the week. I suggest stop fighting the void and meditate
>The thought of consciousness being a result of matter and the cause of all suffering is too much for me to live with.
Sorry but this really doesn't strike me as novel. People have been saying this for centuries.
I googled this guy youre talking about and he appears to be a modern shill. I can't think of anything more retarded than proclaiming yourself to be a pessimist.

good luck

[Anonymous No.19492405]

>>19491184
>>19491200
Dude's back was probly like a Dorito.
Losing gains really is the parent of all horrors.

[Anonymous No.19492515]

>>19490546
I'm afraid that there's no way of dealing with it

Cope or rope

[Anonymous No.19492556]

>>19490546
Suicide

[Anonymous No.19492618]

>>19490546
Bump

[Anonymous No.19492628]

>>19490835
>but I witnessed a loved one have a stroke recently and seeing how it changed them I was plummeted back to doubt
What if I told you that our immortal and non-physical self is the immediate and unchanging awareness which is unaffected by mental and bodily changes and which continues on unchangingly regardless of them, always present in every instance, and that this is present in exactly the same way in everyone, and that it is totally unaffected and continues all the same when someone has a stroke, or is deaf, drunk, delirious, asleep, brain-injured, etc

[Anonymous No.19492635]

>>19490546
Unironically, read Mein Kampf. If that doesn't inspire you to do something great with your one shot at life, then nothing will.

[Anonymous No.19492640]

>>19492635
What are you doing with your life, anon?

[Anonymous No.19492693]

>>19492628
I would tell you that you're coping and your claim is basically psychotic

[Anonymous No.19492701]

>>19492693
HYLIC

[Anonymous No.19492708]

>>19492693
>coping and psychotic
how so?

[Anonymous No.19492744]

>>19492708
There's no magic ghost that is somehow the real "You"

You are the meat in your skull, damage that shit and you change permanently

[Anonymous No.19492747]

>>19490827
I understood until he seemingly jumped to cognition of time creating time. I don't trust his ontological proof either, where the universe somehow self-selects from ubt. I dont see how any universe can be self-creating in the way he imagines: in order to create, it would have to already be real, which makes any self-creating superfluous. Really, many things confuse me about his philosophy after he justifies the three M's and three C's. His whole justification of free will seems faulty: he says the universe has no external thing real enough to determine it, so it must be self-determining, but why can't it just exist? All refutations of this position that he has given seem to me to be vague, saying it secretly relies on an unreal thing, which makes no sense to me.

[Anonymous No.19492793]

>>19492744
What part of the brain am I? All of it? A portion of it? Am I not also the rest of the body? How can an organ that is changing constantly constitute a self? Is an essential self an illusion? Does matter have any being whatsoever? Do you know what’s at the bottom of it? How would you know? Do you have access to a reality outside of your subjective perception?

[Anonymous No.19492809]

>>19492744
>There's no magic ghost that is somehow the real "You"
that would actually be the immaterial self of awareness
>You are the meat in your skull, damage that shit and you change permanently
That's wrong though, the awareness which knows thoughts and their distortion by cognitive impairment remains simply awareness either way

[Anonymous No.19492821]

>>19490546
I don't browse here often or almost at all, but OP, just gotta say that picture looks so cool.

[Anonymous No.19492825]

>>19492821
Right? It's very cozy

[Anonymous No.19492831]

What was the popular view of consciousness at the time TLM was written? 1933?

[Anonymous No.19492941]

So many people are depressed on /lit/ today

[Anonymous No.19492961]

>>19490546
i wish it was all this easy i wish it was all matter or some bullshit asspull cope theory i wish when life ended existence would cease not a void of blackness but pure nothing concept and conscious completely erased i despise existence but i despise more those who believe its all a scam those who give hope that we will actually be free in death in all earnest to those people FUCK YOU AND SEEK CLIFF

[Anonymous No.19492962]

>>19492635

[Anonymous No.19492975]

>>19492640
You'll find out one day.

[Anonymous No.19493037]

>>19490546
>Any suggestion is greatly appreciated. I just want to get through this.
I wish I could beat you half to death you little queer.