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19466749 No.19466749 [Reply] [Original]

Is this a good translation? (Keith Bosley)

>> No.19466756
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19466756

what if it turns out to be a bad translation... what then?

>> No.19466770

>>19466756
I'd be wasting my time in a mediocre text.

>> No.19466772

>>19466749
it's serviceable

>> No.19466775

>>19466756
>Learn Finnish
>Learn the language of every single book he's interested in

oh fuck off

>> No.19466779

>>19466770
you spend most of your time wallowing in mediocrity anyways

>> No.19466783

>>19466756
I'll fricken kill you man, that's what.

>> No.19466791

>>19466779
Yea, but this is meant to be a great work and I want to read it in the best way possible.

>> No.19466858

>>19466791
that would be in finnish. with the english transalations it really comes down to how tightly you want it to follow the metre of the original. crawford, kirby and more recently brooks follow the metre faithfully, whereas bosley made up his own metre. none of them are bad, just read what you can get your hands on.

>> No.19466934
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19466934

MASTERED by desire impulsive,
By a mighty inward urging,
I am ready now for singing,
Ready to begin the chanting
Of our nation's ancient folk-song
Handed down from by-gone ages.
In my mouth the words are melting,
From my lips the tones are gliding,
From my tongue they wish to hasten;
When rny willing teeth are parted,
When my ready mouth is opened,
Songs of ancient wit and wisdom
Hasten from me not unwilling.
Golden friend, and dearest brother,
Brother dear of mine in childhood,
Come and sing with me the stories,
Come and chant with me the legends,
Legends of the times forgotten,
Since we now are here together,
Come together from our roamings.
Seldom do we come for singing,
Seldom to the one, the other,
O'er this cold and cruel country,
O'er the poor soil of the Northland,

>> No.19466945

>>19466749
Yes, it is good. Somewhere there is an image I made comparing a few translations a few years ago, perhaps someone will post it or find it, I no longer have it.
>>19466858
Crawford and Kirby are not good and the meter was determined by the performer, it was not some rigid thing when Lönnrot compiled it and Lönnrot should not be views as 'correct.' Have not looked at Brooks.

>> No.19466963

>>19466945
>the meter was determined by the performer, it was not some rigid thing when Homer compiled it and Homer should not be views as 'correct.'

>> No.19466992

>>19466945
>Somewhere there is an image I made comparing a few translations a few years ago, perhaps someone will post it or find it, I no longer have it.
How should I look for it? Any idea what you said in the thread? Just to look for those words in the archive.

>> No.19467047

>>19466963
Yes, lets sacrifice accuracy just to maintain a meter someone arbitrarily decided to be 'correct.' That is all that matters, right? Who cares about meaning, if you can't shake your booty to it what is the point?
>>19466992
If I knew how to easily find it I would have searched it out myself, it was mostly meant as a plea to other anons who may have saved it. OWC sacrificed the arbitrary meter for accuracy in meaning, Crawford and Kirby decided meter* was more important than accuracy and had no issues with bending meaning to the ideals of the time, Crawford sometimes reads more Victorian than Finnish Epic.

*I am taking that anons word on this, I honestly do not remember the meter, that was many ears ago that I compared them all.

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19467052

Well, this guy from the archive liked it so I guess is alright.

>> No.19467109

>>19467047
my point wasn't really about the translations but about lönnrot. he compiled the oral tradition into an actual european style epic. that's the worthwhile thing, there's a reason the oral tradition died.

>> No.19467289

>>19467109
Lönnrot would laugh at you.

>> No.19467318

>>19467289
yet he decided on a metric, curious

>> No.19467391

>>19467318
Of course he did, meter is not what defines the work.