/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.19390035]

>spend months binge-reading Evola, Guenon and other esoteric stuff
>nothing else is interesting anymore

[Anonymous No.19390047]

>>19390035
Yup. Everything seems fake and contrived, even classical music and literature.

[Anonymous No.19390052]

>>19390035
>Evola, Guenon
>read these, plus the muslim one whose name i forget
>realise they are just autists
>go back to scifi because at least their autism is entertaining and has some maths behind it

[Anonymous No.19390062]

>>19390035
welcome to the real world

[Anonymous No.19390067]

>>19390035
What has their work done for you? I'm genuinely curious how these guys appeal to a bunch of disaffected loners

[Anonymous No.19390118]

>>19390067
I have always had spiritual intuitions, but religion and vulgar occultism/pseudo esotericism was never very enlightening. Guenon and Evola know the truth of it all, expounding it in a coherent, all-encompassing and highly comprehensive manner. As a consequence, their analysis and critique of the modern world is the best, and reveals a path forward, whereas before, I was in the dark.

>>19390062
Based

>>19390052
Yes, it is not for everyone, almost by definition.

[Anonymous No.19390130]

>>19390047
Bitten by the snake

[Anonymous No.19390228]

>>19390035
excellent, you are ready for Maimonides, Al Farabi and St Augustine

[Anonymous No.19390256]

>>19390035
so true anon. This nigga right here and Guenon are single handedly ruining my life and leading me out of the Matrix. Just finished Ride the Tiger and Path of Cinnabar now I think it's time for the Bhagavad Gita and the Upanishads. Also considering learning Sanskrit. Nothing else interests me, everything seems secondary to this quest of spiritual knowledge, if indeed I can truly learn any.

[Anonymous No.19390282]

>>19390228
>Maimonides
Yikes
>Al Farabi
>St Augustine
Based

[Anonymous No.19390287]

you must drop the intellectual pill and take esotericism pill

[Anonymous No.19390289]

>>19390052
Guenon(pbuh) was a brilliant mathematician. Calculus is fake and gay

[Anonymous No.19390313]

>>19390282
>St Augustine
Yikes.
>Maimonides
>Al Farabi
Based.

[Anonymous No.19390320]

>>19390282
oh hush, young boy
if there's anyone to learn from about victory it's the winning team
like it or not

[Anonymous No.19390332]

>>19390282
NOOOOOOOOO I HATE JEWS BECAUSE POL TOLD ME TOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST RECOMMEND A JEW THEY ARE EVIL EVEN THOUGH I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THEM

[Anonymous No.19390362]

>>19390228
The authors I mentioned are better but ya I might those guys interesting now.

[Anonymous No.19390367]

>>19390287
No, it is only meant for a select few.

[Anonymous No.19390375]

>>19390118
It is definitely not for me. I just dont even vaguely see the appeal of Evola, Guenon, and Hinduism. That's why Christianity and other pleb religions exist for my type. "God is like love bro...just be nice", that's all I can handle.

[Anonymous No.19390377]

>>19390320
>winning team
Care to elaborate? Seems very delusional. You also do not seem spiritually enlightened at all, in fact it seems like the opposite, but maybe you're merely pretending to be an idiot using knowledge you don't have to boost your human ego and get a dopamine rush. Jesus would not do this.

[Anonymous No.19390380]

>>19390118
Which Evola and Guenon book should I read.

[Anonymous No.19390389]

>>19390375
I admire your ability to admit that and to not lash out. You are wise. The farmer who farms is superior to a king who cannot rule. Christianity is good as long as christians do not pretend reading the bible will give you direct spiritual knowledge.

[Anonymous No.19390390]

>>19390367
okay.
i wish not though

[Anonymous No.19390397]

Where can I read a synthesis of Evola and Guneons thoughts with Christianity?

[Anonymous No.19390409]

This stuff appealed to me for a while before i decided to read actu good shit, it's a phase, anon

>>19390397
Read: Yer Shall Know The Truth: Christianity and The Perennial Philosophy

[Anonymous No.19390413]

>>19390035
Another day
Another guenon shill thread

[Anonymous No.19390417]

>>19390035
*blocks your path*

[Anonymous No.19390420]

>>19390380
If you are a good reader with even a baseline knowledge of ancient civilisations I would recommend jumping right into revolt against the modern world. Even if you come across unfamiliar concepts you can google them as you go. Otherwise, depending on if you are more interested in the esoteric or the political, I would recommend mask and face (English translation: fall of spirituality) in the former case, or a booklet called Orientations in the latter case. People will probably have other recomendations though, personally I thought mask and face was a perfect intro to his spiritual inclinations and how to view modern currents of esotericism.

[Anonymous No.19390424]

>>19390035
I got you stuck off the realness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQOvpLUoYxw&ab_channel=%CE%93%CE%B5%CE%B8%CF%83%CE%B7%CE%BC%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%AE

[Anonymous No.19390432]

>>19390413
How am i shilling? I came to /lit/ to talk about authors I've been reading. Go to your designated cuckold diaper fetish thread for marxtrannies.

[Anonymous No.19390441]

>>19390409
It was a phase for you, not for me. I'm not even interested in politics. I've branched out into other areas and changed my life.

[Anonymous No.19390452]

>>19390441
>IT’S NOT A PHASE, MOM!!
t. 19 year old /pol/fag with no friends

[Anonymous No.19390463]

>>19390377
you seem too enlightened for any sorts of elaboration,
keep it up, champ

[Anonymous No.19390479]

>takin it hard
>not workin hard
>take it easy
>work hard
Damn bros what do I call this philosophy?

[Anonymous No.19390484]

>>19390479
im an alcoholic

[Anonymous No.19390485]

>>19390035
Read Wittgenstein, inspired Evola.

[Anonymous No.19390486]

>>19390397
Im workin on it

[Anonymous No.19390488]

>>19390452
careful, that polfag could steal your bitch because you sound like an insecure faggot.

[Anonymous No.19390493]

>>19390313
Based in the Blood of Jesus Christ

[Anonymous No.19390498]

>>19390485
didnt Evola not know English?

[Anonymous No.19390520]

>>19390389
>Christianity is good as long as christians do not pretend reading the bible will give you direct spiritual knowledge.
Not who you were talking, but reading the Gospels fucked me up. From my interpretation, Christ was preaching an ascetic and austere spiritual path that's up there with brahmins and the Buddha that hardly anyone can follow. It's obvious that most Christians don't live up to his teachings, and kinda makes me think the way of Christ is only meant for the few. I'm strongly considering becoming a monk.

[Anonymous No.19390522]

>>19390488
>/pol/fags
>able to leave their basement
Jfl

[Anonymous No.19390529]

>>19390035
After i read evola i read tolkien, he is extremely based but you don't have to think too hard because it's fiction.

[Anonymous No.19390537]

>>19390529
Did you read Matter of Britain?

[Anonymous No.19390540]

>>19390409
The foreword of the book you recommended is quite positive about Guenon as well as Schuon

[Anonymous No.19390549]

>>19390118
>and reveals a path forward, whereas before, I was in the dark.
Can you elaborate about this path?

[Anonymous No.19390554]

>>19390452
You're supposed to greentext the last line too, newfag. As I said, I no longer have any interest in politics, so I don't know why I would be on /pol/, but you need this to be true so you can fit me into your predetermined worldview, which is even less mature than those you are trying to mock.

As for my age, I have already finished university (a rigourous stem field), and a year later firmly decided that a professional career is not for me. I moved out and am working towards absolute freedom, which is also a means of accomplishing other, more noble goals.

One should note that given your peurile nature I almost didn't respond to you, but I thought that it would be in the interests of others apart from us.

[Anonymous No.19390562]

>>19390463
It was a rhetorical device to reveal the idiocy of your statement. At least it helped you to see it for yourself, I hope.

[Anonymous No.19390566]

>>19390522
>seething sjw

[Anonymous No.19390591]

>>19390554
>feeling this insecure over shitposts
I can picture exactly what you look like IRL

[Anonymous No.19390593]

>>19390549

[Anonymous No.19390597]

>>19390554
know-it-all armchair psychologist

[Anonymous No.19390599]

>>19390520
I believe that Jesus was an initiate, analogous to the others you mentioned, possibly superior. I think that originally christianity was influenced by esoteric principles and democratised them, and I think your surmising of his teachings correct, however that doesn't mean an average person cannot lead a better life by simply following catholicism, even if the teachings are misunderstood. I also considered becoming a monk but I think there are better alternatives for me and Western men in general, as Evola stated. However a master will almost certainly be required eventually.

[Anonymous No.19390608]

>>19390498
He did, but it wasn't as good as his French or German.

[Anonymous No.19390611]

>>19390549
Transcendence.

[Anonymous No.19390635]

>>19390562
by jove, you've got it lad!
now run! run! run as fast as you can!

[Anonymous No.19390641]

>>19390599
>I believe that Jesus was an initiate
Imagine reading the Bible and coming to this conclusion

[Anonymous No.19390667]

>>19390641
A lot of it is from works apart from the bible actually. Why do you think that he wasn't initiated?

[Anonymous No.19390684]

>>19390635
Ironic as you're the one "running" by refusing to elaborate on your untenable position. But I see you'll keep replying with drivel to cope as long as I give you attention.

[Anonymous No.19390689]

>>19390667
>Why do you think that he wasn't initiated?
Why would God need initiation?

[Anonymous No.19390704]

>>19390599
>I think that originally christianity was influenced by
christianity literally takes from every religion around the area at the time

[Anonymous No.19390709]

>>19390704
>"all were born on December 25th from a virgin mother"
>this is the level of modern scholarship

[Anonymous No.19390710]

>>19390704
>Zeitgeist schizo
Embarrassing

[Anonymous No.19390736]

>>19390710
>>19390709
>b-but jesus really is god and not just another crazed cult leader!
lol

[Anonymous No.19390739]

>>19390035
>be me
>op, fag
>bingewatch netflix
>lose interest in higher things.

[Anonymous No.19390752]

>>19390736
That's not the point lol. None of those deities (besides Jesus) were born on the 25th of December, and none of them were born from a virgin mother. It's bad scholarship that has become a staple of bad arguments.

[Anonymous No.19390754]

>>19390752
everything in this post is incorrect but you do you

[Anonymous No.19390756]

>>19390754
>everything in this post is incorrect
how so?

[Anonymous No.19390769]

>>19390736
Daniel 9.24-27

[Anonymous No.19390773]

>>19390756
actually the pic that you posted is what i originally wanted but couldn't be bothered looking for, that's why i posted the bait image >>19390704
i just started shitposting after that mate
welcome to australia

[Anonymous No.19390784]

pbuh

[Anonymous No.19390786]

>>19390773
Nothing makes me more proud to be Australian then senseless irony and tall poppy syndrome.

[Anonymous No.19390822]

>>19390689
Ok, but then he was defacto an initiate; i.e., he was already at a state of initiation, assuming that is even what happened, which is almost certainly not the case. He was a Priest-King in the order of Melchizedek; he was an initiate from a special bloodline, maybe THE special bloodline. Your unquestioning adeherence to exoteric religious forms blinds you.

>>19390704
This merely symbolises higher spiritual truth, so analogies with other Traditions come naturally. The fact that you would even bother posting this in a Guenon thread is amusing.

>>19390736
Assuming he really was a Priest-King in the order of Melchizedek he was "God". Spiritual reality exists whether or not you believe in it.

[Anonymous No.19390831]

>>19390752
It is symbolic/initiatic you halfwit, relating to the sun. Profane scholarship is irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.19390838]

>>19390739
Why would I watch much less subscribe to netflix? Even when it comes to high quality film I have no interest.

[Anonymous No.19390859]

I’m seeing a lot about Evola, Guenon, and al-Farabi. Can someone reply with a solid list of books I can check out?

[Anonymous No.19390874]

>>19390035
>Evola
literally gateway to brainletism

[Anonymous No.19390880]

>>19390822
>Your unquestioning adeherence to exoteric religious forms blinds you.
Syncretist cope. Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life

[Anonymous No.19390885]

>>19390838
metaphore flew completely óver your head didnt it?

[Anonymous No.19390899]

>>19390880
It is synthesis, not syncretism. Your inability to recognise the difference is part of the reason you must rely on religion, and not delve into more profound truths. That is fine and there is a place for that. Just remember the last part of the prior sentence.

[Anonymous No.19390900]

>>19390118
>ut religion and vulgar occultism/pseudo esotericism was never very enlightening. Guenon and Evola know the truth of it all, expounding it in a coherent, all-encompassing and highly comprehensive manner. As a consequence, their analysis and critique of the modern world is the best, and reveals a path forward, whereas before, I was in the dark.
Honestly this is what I'm picking up while reading Evola. He seems to have plucked the undertones of every traditional civilization throughout history and figured out exactly what went right and wrong with them.
Though it still seems to me like he's missing some things that he can't explain and so he resorts to esotericism. I could be wrong, I'm only 18-ish chapters into Revolt Against the Modern World.

[Anonymous No.19390906]

>>19390485
Can you direct to some reading about Wittgenstein's influence on Evola?

[Anonymous No.19390907]

>>19390885
No it was just very bad.

[Anonymous No.19390910]

>>19390874
Then you should be enthralled, but you aren't.

[Anonymous No.19390912]

>>19390899
>It is synthesis, not syncretism
Same difference. Traditionalism / Perennialism is founded on an elitist impulse to want to feel better than ‘the unwashed masses’ and act like they have a super secret truth that only they can comprehend. It’s founded the idea that you can mix and match religious ideas and that there is somehow a skeletal core that you can somehow figure out and practice. Most perennialist LARPers don’t practice though. What they ultimately fear is the idea that God has given a definitive revelation that is *the* way to Truth, the fullest Truth. Perennialists want you to believe in a God that leaves 99% of humanity to rot and never delivers definitive revelation.

Luckily God has revealed Himself, and is acessible to all of humanity.

[Anonymous No.19390922]

>>19390912
>an elitist impulse to want to feel better than ‘the unwashed masses’
How is this a bad thing? Have you SEEN the unwashed masses? No one wants to be a part of that.

[Anonymous No.19390937]

>>19390912
>Perennialists want you to believe in a God that leaves 99% of humanity to rot
As opposed to the opposite?

[Anonymous No.19390939]

>>19390922
I wouldn't mind being part of the unwashed masses, they wont even accept me though, I am sub-masses, like one of those abyssal sea creatures God got halfway through designing and then grew bored and left it unfinished and grotesque to float in the depths

[Anonymous No.19390955]

>>19390912
>Same difference
Not at all, synthesis is putting things together based on careful consideration and understanding of inherent principles. Syncretism is putting things together without regard for such things. Again, your innability to recognise this is highly significant. All you have is faith, often blind. Esoteric knowledge accessible only to an elite derives from direct experience, ultimately with "God". Your conception is democratic, you are assuming that all humans are capable of the same things, which is, I'm sorry to say, naive. Although faith has its place, pretending like your faith is the ultimate spiritual truth is delusional. Christianity (including its egalitarianism, democratic nature, and baseless, absolute morality) and it's infestation of the West has brought about the current state of affairs. God does not care, we are meant to accomplish God's will on earth, which is ultimamately to subdue the forces of falsehood/darkness, not help them spread by sowing confusion.

[Anonymous No.19390966]

>>19390939
>I wouldn't mind being part of the unwashed masses
Well that says it all. But if they won't accept you, that's good and you should strive for better, and you are probably capable of better. Why not join the Martinists or something?

[Anonymous No.19390974]

>>19390409
I’m glad you did! Now kindly fuck off.

[Anonymous No.19390984]

>>19390900
>Though it still seems to me like he's missing some things that he can't explain and so he resorts to esotericism
It's possible, but esoteric wisdom guided ancient civilisations. I can see why it might seem like an escape at times in his writing. Any particular examples?

[Anonymous No.19390986]

>>19390966
I am insane kek. Dont worry I will not blogpost any further, I just wanted to post about the deep sea creatures. What does Guenon have to say about fishes

[Anonymous No.19390989]

>>19390912
Why would I ever throw my lot in with the masses? They think you are evil for not getting vaxxed, believe in mob justice and resort to intimidation and death threats to upend the Constitutional procedure of law and order so they can convict a police officer who was just doing his job and doing what he was trained to do while they martyr and worship a literal criminal. They are dogs who deserve neither freedom nor justice. Fucking moralizing ants. All of them.

[Anonymous No.19391015]

>>19390986
I don't think he talks about them, but esoterically they would correspond to "subconscious" or subpersonal forces that the average person should not mess with, otherwise they open themselves up to all sorts of dangers such as paranoias, obsessions/addictions, freakish fetishes and desires, etc., that could overpower and destroy a normal person.

[Anonymous No.19391039]

>>19391015
That's interesting. When you say subconscious forces do you mean like Freudian subconscious or something more esoteric

[Anonymous No.19391056]

>>19390984
Unfortunately, not off the top of my head. Perhaps it's my preconceived thoughts on living in a purely material basis for so long clouding my abilities to judge this with a clear mind.

[Anonymous No.19391087]

>>19390831
What do you mean by that anon? The symbolism is incompatible

[Anonymous No.19391102]

>>19390955
>All you have is faith, often blind.
To add to your post, faith presupposes ignorance and doubt. If someone strays from the religious dogma, they lose faith and stay ignorant. People need the Church so that they can live in accordance with the Absolute, even though they don't understand it. That's why exoterism is needed. Whereas, someone who knows does not need the dogma because he intuits the Absolute, and it would be impossible for him to stay from it.

[Anonymous No.19391128]

All esoteric research should lead you to Christ if you are not a sub human knuckle dragging absolute fucking nigger.

[Anonymous No.19391180]

>>19391039
>When you say subconscious forces do you mean like Freudian subconscious
Yes, I used the term specifically so it could be grasped more easily, although there is much more to it than what Freud discovered. There is also a "supraconsciousness" which of course Freud, a j*wish degenerate surrounded by others like him, would never be able to discover.

[Anonymous No.19391206]

>>19391102
>stay
stray

[Anonymous No.19392209]

never read any guenon/evola. what should I start with?

[Anonymous No.19392232]

The chaotic shithole that is India is proof that their religions are worthless. There is no Logos present there. 10,000 years of spiritual tradition and thet still worship cattle and defecate in public

[Anonymous No.19392308]

>>19392209
this article:
https://archive.org/details/reneguenon/1976%20-%20Miscellanea/page/n3/mode/2up

[Anonymous No.19392328]

>>19392209
Guénon is very different from Evola, I don't understand why people here are speaking of them like they're similar, just read the reviews that Guénon wrote about Evola's books.

[Anonymous No.19392334]

>>19392232

I agree with you, anon. No way there could be real spirituality in such a pigsty of society; caste system included. Never read Evola, does he rely too much in Hindu influence?

[Anonymous No.19392340]

>>19392334
*on

[Anonymous No.19392500]

>>19390118
>reveals a path forward
I think you’ll discover that, in fact, the Achilles heel(s) of these authors is that they actually do not offer a path forward at all.

[Anonymous No.19392510]

>>19392334
They all do. All of the Traditionalists rely on Eastern philosophy, especially Hindu and/or Buddhist ones. I suppose they do so out of convenience. As for Julius Evola, he’s a syncretic mix of everything. He’s someone that wants to go back to the Classical model, but he can’t reconcile the entirety of the classical model with all of his influences so what he does is highlight a syncretic mix of alternatives that point in every single direction besides the current one.

[Anonymous No.19392967]

>>19392510

The Classical alternative seems to be the most logical of them all.