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Does a more brutal essay exist?

>> No.19331906

>people intentionally limit their consciousness to make life endurable
>the last messiah will be the one who accepts the doom of existence and preaches that non-existence is preferable to existence
>it’s a contradiction because non-existence then takes the place of the hope zapffe says the last messiah is supposed to be rallying against. last messiah has not accepted the doom of existence but has just diverted himself from it
Love when writers spend months to write something which can be dismantled in seconds

>> No.19331914

>>19331906
Just because Zapffe used a myth figure as a symbol doesn't refute his premise

Choose a coping mechanism

>> No.19331932

>>19331914
It does because the last messiah would also be in denial of the joys of life. The entire viewpoint of the essay is set on false pretenses about “the doom of life” not being a limited consciousness in itself. I cant get into it right now cause I really have other shit I have to do but I wrote an essay on this exact thing long ago that’s worded much more precisely. If the thread is still up later I’ll look at it and try to message my thoughts in a less retarded way

>> No.19331977

>>19331932
Cool, appreciate it

>> No.19332377

>>19331906
>>people intentionally limit their consciousness to make life endurable
Is this actually trough? This seems like your like 18 years old baby first omg the world is bad thought. But we are to scrutinize it and see if its true we will see that it not.

>> No.19332400

>>19331906
Most interesting point is easily the idea that people are intentionally limiting their consciousness

>> No.19332408

>>19332377
Of course it's true

Do we live in the same world?

>> No.19332423

>>19332377
His idea is a little more interesting because he breaks it down into a typology and uses it to try and theorize social unrest. Read "limiting their consciousness" not as stupidity, but as the adoption of a system of values that are taken on as part of an existential coping mechanism. I think he is driving Nietzscheanism downwards towards suicide rather than accepting Nietzsche's notion of the ubermensch and overcoming.

>> No.19332435

>>19332423
Zapffe utterly BTFOs Nietzsche

>> No.19332695

>>19331906
the last messiah would guide humanity towards their actual trumph against their unendurable condition, life.

>> No.19332718

>>19332695
Doesn't the crowd tear the last messiah apart?
If not, they will. You can say every AN is a shard of TLM.

>> No.19332774

>>19332718
either way it doesnt negate his theory. why is his premise of consciousness in humans as harmful, false?

>> No.19332803

I don't get /lit/'s fascination with all these nihilistic and pessimistic authors. I mean, don't you guys see that you're just trying to rationalize your own state of mind? Being clinical depressed doesn't mean a philosopher is correct.

>> No.19332814

>>19332774
Consciousness is too murky to be lamented so outright.
I love TLM and have read it a thousand times, but I'm not so sure about marching humanity off a reproductive cliff anymore. There's probably more going on here than we realize. Maybe not purpose as we understand it, but just, more, noumenal shit, ya know?

>> No.19333174

>>19332814
idk. why even analyze anything at all at that point

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>>>/lit/thread/S19099426
>mfw i am the last messiah