Buddhism and Eastern Spirituality as Control

[Anonymous No.19251746]

Any other books destroying the modern emphasis on Eastern spiritualties? I feel like their influence has been growing lately in many forms - obvious new-age amazon boxes, Guenon shilling, all religions are the same, Jesus Christ was just a teacher, etc.

[Anonymous No.19251785]

>>19251746
you would hate The Man From Earth

[Anonymous No.19251799]

What you're describing isn't "eastern" it's western progressivism
I'm fact the East has more in common with Traditional Europe then the West does to itself today

[Anonymous No.19251803]

>>19251785
This is pure evil. Literally what the Jews said about Christ, that we was performing the miracles with the power of "Belial".
>Perhaps most startlingly, he claims to have been Jesus – passing on a modernised version of the teachings he learned from Buddha when he lived in the middle east. He says the bible version is largely fictionalised, as he performed no miracles and never claimed any divinity – but he did survive his own crucifixion by blocking the pain and slowing his heart and breathing as he had learned in India before “coming back to life” in front of witnesses.

[Anonymous No.19251808]

>>19251746
Let them push mindfulness.
It really is a boon, no matter which way you abuse it. Like a ray of light on knowledge

[Anonymous No.19251811]

>>19251799
>all religions are the same, Jesus Christ was just a teacher
>What you're describing isn't "eastern"
Are you sure of it?

[Anonymous No.19251814]

>>19251811
Yes

[Anonymous No.19251815]

>>19251803
>>19251785
>born 14,000 years ago
Nice try, the world is no more than ~7000 years old.

[Jesus Christ !H0lVGXJNm6 No.19251827]

>>19251746
Eastern "spiritualities" (demonism) were created from envy and resentment of My holy and true word.

[Anonymous No.19251832]

>>19251827
With how rich Christian theology is i wish they didn't just write everything else off as "demons"
That's something you'd expect from protestants

[Anonymous No.19251850]

>>19251746
don't know any books, but the buddhist establishment is actually livid by the mindfulness movement and view it as a fraud/dangerous from what I've seen.

[Anonymous No.19251858]

>>19251832
>With how rich Christian theology is
This is exactly why we deny it as demonic, because we see just how poor and evil their ideologies are.

[Anonymous No.19251877]

mindfulness = how 2burself and be a productive white collar worker
buddhism = how to realize the self is a scam and stop existing forever

[Anonymous No.19251887]

>>19251850
>but the buddhist establishment is actually livid
Seems like they're angry their beast system is getting exposed for what it is because of more impure variants shining the light on the true origin of their teachings.

[Jesus Christ !H0lVGXJNm6 No.19251896]

>>19251832
I'm going to let that comment slide, but if you commit further borderline-blasphemies you'll live to regret it, believe me.

[Anonymous No.19251898]

>>19251832
Protestants themselves worship demons, anon.

[Anonymous No.19251920]

>>19251746
>>19251898
He was right.
Also,
>the author of Mark
>the author of Hebrews
>days is an allegory
>Yahwist, Priestly
>the group of authors of the Torah
All extremely widespread demonic teaching.

[Anonymous No.19251935]

>>19251827
Jesus isn't a tripfag.

[Jesus Christ !H0lVGXJNm6 No.19251943]

>>19251935
Whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.

[Anonymous No.19251947]

>>19251943
seems petty

[Anonymous No.19251951]

>>19251815
>>19251803
>nooo but what about the frickin dinosaurinos!?

[Anonymous No.19251958]

>>19251898
>Revelation already happened
Literally how does one believe this?

[Anonymous No.19252121]

>>19251746
Book of Genesis.

[Anonymous No.19252139]

why's it such a terrible thing that some women have a mindfulness app on their phone and maybe have a little buddha statue in their living room because they think it looks nice

[Anonymous No.19252148]

>>19252139
Because it distracts or completely details them from worshipping Christ and instead gives their mind over to "Buddha" and other idols.

[Anonymous No.19252149]

>>19251746
You guys are easily the dumbest posters on /lit/, bar none.

[Jesus Christ !H0lVGXJNm6 No.19252159]

>>19252139
Because idolatry and Satan-worship is a sin that mutilates the soul.

[Anonymous No.19252160]

>>19252148
what makes you think they'd otherwise be worshipping Christ?

[Anonymous No.19252317]

>>19251746
Is there anime not promoting demonic influence but Christian themes instead?

[Anonymous No.19252407]

>>19251746
Orthodogsy is eastern spirituality kek.
Fake larping church that will doom millions.

[Anonymous No.19252445]

>>19251832
The lack of sissified apathy toward other religions is just about the only good thing about Christianity

[Anonymous No.19252463]

Hinduism and buddhism is pure demon worship.

[Anonymous No.19252493]

I'm glad you larpers finally all coagulated in containment threads such as this one. Don't to see any kf you faggots in other threads anymore.
Consider this a warning, demonic or what not.

[Anonymous No.19252500]

>>19252463
christcuckery is pure jew worship.
they will sacrifice all of you in the end which makes me feel pity for you.

[Anonymous No.19252507]

>>19251898
I know Sheol is technically more like purgatory and I've heard the arsenokoitai, "male-bedder", doesn't mean homosexual gigacope before, but how the fuck does someone manage to declare Revelations has already happened? That kind of makes Christianity as a religion moot.

[Anonymous No.19252512]

>>19252493
This describes maybe five people on Earth. The point of these memes is the person reading them feels "caught out", but you're just screeching "DIS YOU!!1".

[Anonymous No.19252515]

>>19252500
Jews are based, bow the fuck down goy slave

[Anonymous No.19252562]

>>19252515
I was born free same as all of my ancestors and only worship my God (and your God too whether you like it or not)
Your people were enslaved by every civilization and God gave you your chance but you are just too dark to embrace the light, truly a subhuman bunch.
When you are gone no one will weep for you.

[Anonymous No.19252597]

>>19252512
This pic is the entire orthobro faggotry on /lit

[Anonymous No.19252608]

>>19252139
>have a little buddha statue in their living room
Because they fuck 50 people a day im the room with the statue. Poor Buddha.

[Anonymous No.19252630]

>>19252597
This is a projection of the spiritually dead nihilist.

[Anonymous No.19252641]

>>19251827
Both Hinduism and Buddhisma are older than Christianity

[Anonymous No.19252687]

>subhuman muslim threads
>low IQ christian threads
The absolute state of /lit/...

[Anonymous No.19252698]

Did Socrates and buddha stare at the same sun?

[Anonymous No.19252728]

>>19252317
Anime is inherently pornographic or it wouldn't be drawn like that.
>>19251746
I've had a brush with Buddhism but I never managed to get past the doorstep, then I turned to Christianity. Buddhism is not a schizo psyop, it's just easier to pick up lazily for a Westerner.
Buddhism is a religion and as all institutionalized religions it attempts to settle and convert people wherever it can, but even in its institutionalized form it doesn't reach very far, especially to Westerners. There's too much that is lost in translation, and while actual Asian immigrants who are Buddhist will attend functions seriously, the average spirituality-seeking Westerner will never get this close.
The reason why pop Buddhism is so easy to embrace is that Buddhism is simply not present enough in the Western consciousness at any deeper level than this corporate friendly pop-Zen shit. Westerners will not read a single sutta and they never ever heard or the precepts of Buddhism in their extended form. It would be like Christians whose only idea of Christianity is the 10 commandments and nothing else.
Obviously this cannot happen with Christianity in the West. Although you have "Christian" whores and corrupt men all the same who don't give a shit, the well-meaning normie who has other priorities but actually wants to feel some sort of "spirituality" in his life will have a much harder time calling himself a Christian while completely ignoring Christian worship because everyone in the West knows what Christianity is about, even the most atheist fedora-tipped will be raised in a Christian context, there are real Christian churches everywhere, there will be other Christians around you who will try to witness or otherwise relate to you, etc. with Buddhism there's 0 risk of this happening on a serious level, at best someone's going to say "Oh wow you're a Buddhist too" and nothing else.
So in short Buddhism is just an extremely noncommittal form of spirituality. Meditative practices are not exclusive to Buddhism, the only reason why mindfulness "works" (assuming your life is a cushy upper class life) is that having a clean mind that isn't always racing helps. You can achieve this in other ways though, it's not a Buddhist invention. You can achieve this by spending time in nature, but of course this is not very convenient, while meditating in your corporate Zen room is very convenient.

[Anonymous No.19252774]

>>19252728
I was born and raised in an orthodox country, but not in a very religious family, and while I distanced myself from its dogma in favour of dharmic metaphysics, philosophy and meditative practices, I instinctively pray the christian way and I like going to the church from time to time. For me, studying eastern religions helped me relate in a much more positive way to my orthodox heritage. But /lit/ ortholarpers can't understand this, because for them it's all about aestethics and reactionarism.

[Anonymous No.19252781]

>>19251746
Buddhism has always controlled the population. Not working and becoming a monk in 2021 in one of the last ways to actually reject capitalism. Of course if it just calms you to not unionize your shop Buddhism functions to serve employers.

[Anonymous No.19252800]

>>19251898
>Protestants themselves worship demons, anon.

Quaker here...
wut?

[Anonymous No.19252804]

>>19252774
>I distanced myself from its dogma in favour of dharmic metaphysics,
So you essentially traded truth for falsehood. What is the benefit of gaining something when you lost Christ in the process?

[Anonymous No.19252805]

>>19251958
>>19252507
>prophesy about jews getting btfo'd by evil antisemitic pagans one final time and john of patmos oy veying about that
>Jews get btfo'd repeatedly by pagans multiple times after john of patmos pens his screed

Anyways, he's a Protestant, so he might be referring to Frederick II, who under Catholic doctrine is(/was?) the Antichrist as Gregory IX declared him as such ex cathedra, a declaration that was accepted by the College of Cardinals. He got excommunicated like four times. It should be noted that Frederick was both the predecessor to the Antichrist AND the Antichrist himself (both declarations ex cathedra, applying to two different excommunications). There's no solution to this that doesn't just completely reject the validity of Catholicism and the Papacy as an institution.

Or he could be a post-millenniarian, which is just peak schizo.

[Anonymous No.19252809]

>>19252781
>becoming a monk
Having promiscuous intercourse is not being a monk as the westernized buddhist may claim. We know that all heresy is intimately tied to fornication and eventually leads to it.

[Anonymous No.19252820]

>>19252774
>while I distanced myself from its dogma in favour of dharmic metaphysics, philosophy and meditative practices, I instinctively pray the christian way and I like going to the church from time to time.
You seem very confused. If you believe in reincarnation why would you be even remotely interested in Christianity?

[Anonymous No.19252838]

>>19252820
Did you even read his post? He literally just said that he came from an orthodox family. You aren't some airy-fairy ethereal tranny spirit that makes ~free choices~ based on ~reason~, your aesthetic sensibilities come from childhood and past experiences.

[Anonymous No.19252845]

>>19252800
Could someone answer? I'm genuinely interested.

[Anonymous No.19252852]

>>19252820
Because the modern Buddhist thinks Christianity is basically just another version of Buddhism, that is part of the religion of the future Fr. Seraphim talked about. Some of them even believe Christianity teaches reincarnation. This is definitely not an uncommon view among the new-age type people in Russia, and I assume other post-Soviet Orthodox countries who were experiencing a rise in new-age in the past decade.

>>19252838
You are only predetermined by your past if you are completely driven by the fleshly and emotional pleasures with no sense of the good.

[Anonymous No.19252853]

>>19252845
Sounds like a rabbi asspull to me, white man

[Anonymous No.19252855]

>>19252845
>Quacker
Isn't it the group who waits in silence for a spirit to speak through them? Textbook example of demonic activity.

[Anonymous No.19252856]

>>19252781
Buddhism controls the seekers and sages. Christianity controls the masses. Both are death to the bowels that fight for animist animal volitions, The Urge of Prana wholeness.

[Anonymous No.19252861]

>>19252855
At least they sell oats and civic responsibility instead of poison kool aid

[Anonymous No.19252863]

>>19252856
>seekers and sages

[Anonymous No.19252866]

>>19252861
>calling Christ poison
>defending demons over worshiping Christ
I wonder what kind of spirit is speaking through you right now.

[Anonymous No.19252874]

Reminder that the majority of Buddhists don't meditate or practice "mindfulness" but they do pray.

[Anonymous No.19252875]

>>19252728
>Anime is inherently pornographic
I think there are more wholesome anime, but I have yet to see anything with even a basic understanding of Christianity displayed in it.

[Anonymous No.19252877]

>>19252804
>>19252820
Original anon here. Christ became to me more than just blindly clinging to jewish desert dogma in hope of reaching a heaven after death. It represents an ideal that has to be reached through compassion, temperance of sensual passions and moral conduct.

[Anonymous No.19252880]

>>19252874
This. Praying to demons is extremely widespread in actual Buddhist countries and the Buddhist monk is usually reduced to a priest who communes with them on the lay people's behalf.

[Anonymous No.19252883]

>>19252855
You only speak if you feel divinely moved to do so, but it's not considered to be the actual holy spirit speaking through you, at least where I go. I'm convinced that most people just want the attention because I've never felt the call to speak. Otherwise we strive to be like Christ.

>>19252861
poison koolaid?
Oats aren't really a Quaker thing but I like the association and think it's funny.

[Anonymous No.19252893]

>>19252877
How do you know anything about Christ if you deny dogma? Do you just pick and choose what you like, and on what basis?
>compassion, temperance of sensual passions and moral conduct.
So nothing that has not existed before Christ? Why do you reduce the words of Christ Himself to this only?

[Anonymous No.19252896]

>>19252852
>>19252877
Buddhism and Christianity are intrinsically incompatible. The concept of Samsara is directly contrary to all Christian doctrine.

[Anonymous No.19252903]

>>19252883
Sitting around in silence and randomly speaking when you get the urge is not Christ-like and has as much of a basis in holy scripture or apostolic tradition as screaming and yelling gibberish in a megachurch.

[Anonymous No.19252904]

>>19251746
Secular mindfulness may be of Buddhist origin, but it divorces the practice so far from its original context and goals that it becomes the equivalent of something like removing Jesus' name from the Orthodox prayer of the heart and getting people to perform it as a relaxation exercise. Which will probably happen at some point, because Californian materialists vampirize everything. These are the same people who try to push secular reevaluations of Teresa of Avila and things like that. My impression from talking to people who are into these things is that Buddhism is simply an easier sell because many Westerners feel they had an unpleasant and oppressive experience of Christanity in childhood.

>>19252855
>Quacker
>Isn't it the group who waits in silence for a spirit to speak through them?
I don't want to pick on typos, but I love the idea of a bunch of guys in Quaker Oats outfits sitting around a meeting hall waiting to be moved by the holy spirit and then one of them just starts quacking like a duck.

[Anonymous No.19252912]

>>19252845
Read pic related. It speaks about the various protestant groups and how they are covertly ploys of the evil one destined to lead people away from Christ by offering them a surrogate false spirituality instead of a true connection and relationship with Him.

[Anonymous No.19252917]

>>19252904
>Which will probably happen at some point
It already did, since it was a tradition passed down in Orthodoxy and secular (or even eastern) meditation is just a distortion of that with Jesus' name removed and a demon's name inserted instead.

[Anonymous No.19252949]

>>19252903
I suppose your issue is with the meetings then? I know people who don't attend them. The foundation of our practice stemmed from getting away from dogmatic practices that aren't written in the Bible like tithing and pagan-rooted holiday observance (contemporary Christmas). Quaker faith could be said to be exemplified every time Christ tells the Pharisees to fuck off.

>>19252904
I should get some fellas together for a quacking on Sunday

[Anonymous No.19252954]

>>19252893
>>19252896
I only ever empathized with Christ's moral teachings and felt repulsed by the primitive church dogma. I never abandoned my respect and striving towards Christ's life, even more so when I discovered the same values in the East. But their metaphysical answers to the question of existence gave even more power and importance to the moral teachings that were presented to me while growing up as an orthodox christian.

[Anonymous No.19252966]

>>19252912
My wife is Orthodox. I have nothing against it, I just don't feel like the iconography and pomp is a necessity for my connection with Christ.

[Anonymous No.19252973]

>>19252954
So you believe in reincarnation and the concept of Karma, right? And you think Christ was just a good man? Jesus constantly references the OT and insists very much on faith in God and what awaits the faithful in the Kingdom of God after death. What parts of this do you agree with? Why do you still attend Christian services?

[Anonymous No.19252990]

>>19251746
And christianity isn't a form of control?

[Anonymous No.19253002]

>>19252512
Nah, that's online orthosphere in a nutshell. It smells of a fad miles away.

[Anonymous No.19253004]

>>19252973
>Jesus constantly references the OT and insists very much on faith in God and what awaits the faithful in the Kingdom of God after death
Every prophet talks about his culture's mythology and metaphysics, but they ultimately amount to nothing if they don't enhance the moral teachings. Believing in Christ just to reach heaven is egoistical and only fills your heart with pride and a sense of superiority towards your fellow man. And if you reach a point where your compassion for living beings is so ingrained in you that you naturally act selfless towards them, it really doesn't matter anymore what mythology you choose to believe in. But in the middle ground, where most people who discuss philosophy and religion are, I felt attracted to the philosophy of the East, who's metaphysical doctrines helped me better understand both morality and Christ.
>Why do you still attend Christian services?
Because growing up orthodox I ended up associating our churches with a sense of connection to the spiritual.

[Anonymous No.19253027]

>>19252139
A Buddha statue is an idol of a created being. It should be obvious why this is a problem. Mindfulness in general is Satanic, just as the picture in the OP describes. I recommend you watch the video that I attach to this post. Christianity calls us to spiritual warfare like no other religion, “For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.” Buddhism doesn’t tell you to put on the whole armor of God, it teaches you to clear your mind and relax, that you have no ego. The exact opposite.

https://youtu.be/HU2_9aLKjy4

[Anonymous No.19253037]

>>19253004
Anon the absolute center of Christ's moral teaching is to have faith in God. What exactly do you mean with his moral teachings? What kind of things did Jesus say that resonate with you and why do you think he said them?
>I felt attracted to the philosophy of the East, who's metaphysical doctrines helped me better understand Christ
So you believe in Samsara and Karma? How did this help you understand Christ's teachings?

[Anonymous No.19253072]

>>19253037
>What exactly do you mean with his moral teachings? What kind of things did Jesus say that resonate with you
His teachings on compassion delivered during the Sermon on the Mount
>and why do you think he said them?
Because in compassion of renunciation of desires lies the truth of the world
>So you believe in Samsara and Karma? How did this help you understand Christ's teachings?
I don't consider that faith in God and moral action motivated by heavenly reward and hellish punishment as being anything else that an exercise in self-interest and egoism. By seeing yourself as one of the countless fleeing living creatures, constantly suffering through Samsara, only then you understand the true importance of compassion, it eases the pain of other beings and thus helps them to be moral themselves. It's pure selfless action for the sake of all living beings. This is the true teaching of Christ, which is unfortunately poisoned by the jewish framework in which he had to preach.

[Anonymous No.19253073]

>>19253004
>Believing in Christ just to reach heaven is egoistical and only fills your heart with pride and a sense of superiority towards your fellow man.
Christ Himself has said that he is the only way. If you truly understood Christ and were not led astray by Eastern charlatans you would know this. Christ is not just another guru, he is wholly God and wholly man. To believe that Christ is the only way is humbling. We don’t just have the right to pick and choose as we please among the religions of the world. You lower Christ to the level of men and spurn his words

[Anonymous No.19253098]

>>19253072
Numerous saints such as Isaac the Syrian have shown great compassion towards both man and animal. He was as orthodox as it gets, and never adultered his teachings with idolatry, polytheism, reincarnation, karma and other parts of pagan religions:
>And what is a merciful heart? It is the heart burning for the sake of all creation, for men, for birds, for animals, for demons, and for every created thing; and by the recollection of them the eyes of a merciful man pour forth abundant tears. By the strong and vehement mercy which grips his heart and by his great compassion, his heart is humbled and he cannot bear to hear or to see any injury or slight sorrow in creation. For this reason he offers up tearful prayer continually even for irrational beasts, for the enemies of the truth, and for those who harm him, that they be protected and receive mercy. And in like manner he even prays for the family of reptiles because of the great compassion that burns without measure in his heart in the likeness of God.

[Anonymous No.19253116]

>>19253073
You seem to have an incomplete understanding of actual Christian dogma. Their world is fallen, after Adam and Eva's sin, and the only salvation is faith in the Christ. But now you have many technicalities when discussing what "Christ" actually means. Catholics will tell you that having faith in the Orthodox dogma of Christ is falsity and will lead you to hell. Orthodox will say the same about Catholics. This applies to every single christian denomination there is. There is no winning with this framework. You cannot rationally deduce who's denomination's Christ is the sure-fire one for reaching heaven, so it boils down being lucky in choosing the right one. This is a priestly framework created for mass control, it only fosters egoism and hostility.

[Anonymous No.19253130]

>>19253027
>A Buddha statue is an idol of a created being.
What's an icon?
>I recommend you watch the video that I attach to this post.
So I watched a part of it. And then I looked up his sources. Here's a direct quote from that paper he's discussing:
>The study deliberately sampled meditators who had challenging meditation experiences that are often under-reported. Thus the 100% frequency of challenging experiences is an artifact of sampling and not a reflection of the actual frequency among Western Buddhist meditators.
Dr. Willoughby Britton, who he keeps mentioning as a critic of the "dark reality of meditation", actually teaches Mindfulness-based Cognitive Therapy.
Is he doing this in bad faith or does he just not understand how sample bias works?

[Anonymous No.19253134]

I used to be into buddhism when I was in a very dark place, thankfully God has given me a better life.

[Anonymous No.19253142]

>>19252317
Seconded. Some Christian friendly anime would be great. Not neccesarilly explicitly Christian but stuff which lacks sexually inappropriate situations, etc would be great.

[Anonymous No.19253145]

>>19253116
>Their world is fallen, after Adam and Eva's sin, and the only salvation is faith in the Christ.
Seems clear-cut to me. Have faith in Christ, ask Him to guide you to the truth, do your research on all churches you think of joining. You are weirdly fixated on hell, while you should be fixated on wanting to get in a closer relationship with God.

[Anonymous No.19253146]

>>19253098
Isaac the Syrian was an universalist, he should be rightly considered a heretic by all mainstream christian churches, but his influence in monasteries was already too widespread so they just pretend not to notice it.

[Anonymous No.19253157]

>>19253130
>What's an icon?
Not an idol. Read St. John of Damascus on holy images.

Also, the point of the video is to show that meditation is not all good, and that there are dark parts that the media and the promoters of meditation cover up and don’t speak about. This is the point of citing that paper. If you’re going to meditate on something anyways, make it God or something Christian and not some void or demon

[Anonymous No.19253161]

>>19253145
>Have faith in Christ, ask Him to guide you to the truth, do your research on all churches you think of joining.
No matter what church you join, every other church's opinion on you will be that you're destined for hell, because you don't have the right faith in Christ. Christian dogma is a catch-22. As long as you follow it you'll only remain in the dark.

[Anonymous No.19253168]

>>19253145>>19253161
>while you should be fixated on wanting to get in a closer relationship with God.
My goal is acting compassionate for the benefit of all living creatures. Christian myths only lead your astray from this path.

[Anonymous No.19253170]

>>19253161
I trust in Christ over what men say and so should you. You have the God-given ability to use discernment and you can, like I said, ask God for guidance.

[Anonymous No.19253187]

>>19253170
So what denomination are you?

[Anonymous No.19253192]

>>19253187
Denominations don't matter anon. As long as two or three gather in his name.

[Anonymous No.19253211]

>>19253192
Your decision could very well have been influenced by demons posing as Christ's voice. That's why faith in the true Church founded by Christ is paramount. You're as much as heretic as I am.

[Anonymous No.19253224]

>>19253211
>support a position of doing what the Bible says
>get called a heretic on 4chan

Lol k

[Anonymous No.19253231]

>>19253224
Christ placed Peter as the head of his Church on earth, the Catholic Church, you are directly denying Christ's teaching from the Bible.

[Anonymous No.19253249]

>>19253211
>>19253231
>non-Christian influenced by cow-worshipers thinking he knows who goes to hell and who doesn’t
Ayy lmao

[Anonymous No.19253256]

>>19253157
>Not an idol.
What I'm getting at is that most Buddhists neither worship Buddha nor statues of him. I'm sure you can find some example of later sects from Asia who do, and I can find some grandmothers in Russia who get overenthusiastic about John of Kronstad, but neither really represents the intended function of the object.
>Read St. John of Damascus on holy images.
I might, it looks interesting!
>Also, the point of the video is to show that meditation is not all good
But nothing is all good (except Jesus if you like). Every exercise program is a potential health risk.

Meditation has become such a broad catch-all word that it becomes really hard to talk about in these terms. Like ITT people are interchangeably talking about states of emptiness of mind and extreme concentration. Which are both on a spectrum of things people can experience outside of formal meditation. Criticizing "emptying your mind" or "concentration" gets reduced to absurdity very quickly. The more important point is, as you say, the object of focus.

[Anonymous No.19253257]

>>19253249
>confronted with his own dogma, the larping christcuck resorts to insults
You shall know them by the fruits of their actions.

[Anonymous No.19253261]

>>19253257
You can’t judge fruits without a proper framework to judge them by, and Christ certainly didn’t judge fruits by Hinduism and Buddhism. Your fruits belong in the rotten pile for lowering Christ to level of cow-worshiping pagans

[Anonymous No.19253273]

>>19253257
>own dogma
Even "extra ecclesiam nulla salus" catholics are more inclusive than "you're all going to hell buddy"

[Anonymous No.19253276]

>>19253261
I judge your selfishness and insults with the framework laid by Christ and I find you lacking.

[Anonymous No.19253283]

>>19253276
You act as if Christ did not rebuke those in need of correction.

[Anonymous No.19253302]

>>19253283
He was the first to throw the stone.

[Anonymous No.19253365]

>>19253231
Priests are fine, but a hierarchy of human priests has no place in Christianity. Perhaps if angels directly preached to us they could be called bishops and popes.

[Anonymous No.19253381]

>>19253365
>Priests are fine, but a hierarchy of human priests has no place in Christianity.
Careful with the heresies

[Anonymous No.19253387]

>NOOOOO YOU CANNOT HAVE COMPASSION FOR ANIMALS AND BE VEGETARIAN, WHEN THE BIBLE SAYS HE WHO ABSTAINS DOES DO IN THE NAME OF THE LORD THAT IS HECKIN' HERETICAL!!!! NOO NOOOO YOU MUST SUPPORT THE MEAT INDUSTRY, BACON IS WHAT CHRISTIANITY IS ABOUT!!!! I LOVE BACON AS MUCH AS I LOVE JESUS!!!

[Anonymous No.19253401]

>>19253381
>He can't even elaborate using solely the bible as his source

[Anonymous No.19253430]

>>19253401
>sola scriptura
Literally self-refuting

[Anonymous No.19253443]

you get a whole ass thread about mcmindfulness and nobody mentions it. incredible. not very well read board, is this?

[Anonymous No.19253478]

>>19251811
>>19251746
>Jesus Christ was just a teacher
Name one Eastern Traditional school which claims so. I am only aware of Indian Traditions from which would implicitly see Jesus Christ a God.

[Anonymous No.19253499]

>>19253478
>a God
Blasphemous

[Anonymous No.19253552]

>>19253004
>. Believing in Christ just to reach heaven is egoistical and only fills your heart with pride and a sense of superiority towards your fellow man. And if you reach a point where your compassion for living beings is so ingrained in you that you naturally act selfless towards them, it really doesn't matter anymore what mythology you choose to believe in.
You don't know what believing in Christ means. It does not simply mean that you express verbal agreement. If your faith in Christ makes you egoistical and fills your heart with pride, it is not the faith in Christ.

[Anonymous No.19253598]

>>19253430
>church starts holy wars
>church collects tithes from the poor
>church ordains itself with gold instead of redistributing wealth

>"Guys, I don't think any of this is okay, it's not in the Bible.

>"S..Sola scriptura is wrong!"

I love you Catholics. But my love ends where your love for Christ ends and your love for your church begins.

[Anonymous No.19253613]

>>19253598
As expected, you can’t debunk what I said. The Bible was established by the Church, according to tradition. The Bible does not affirm sola scriptura or tell you which books are scripture and which are not, and of course Prots threw out numerous books that they didn’t like. You can’t even know the names of who wrote the Gospels outside of Church tradition.

Also imagine complaining about holy war when Joshua and Moses went around killing everything that breathes in Canaan

[Anonymous No.19253632]

>>19253552
>If your faith in Christ makes you egoistical and fills your heart with pride, it is not the faith in Christ.
All christians who reached this level of Christ counsciousness were declared heretics by the Church, because for them God began transcending the limitations imposed by jewish mythology.

[Anonymous No.19253640]

>>19253632
>cow-worshiper is obsessed with Jews
Every time

[Anonymous No.19253665]

>>19253640
>most you can do is insult me
Christianity is built upon jewish myths. You should be happy people are willing to separate Christ's message from the semitic filth of it's myths.

[Anonymous No.19253692]

>>19253613
>when Joshua and Moses went around killing everything that breathes in Canaan
Christ set a new standard.

[Anonymous No.19253701]

>>19253499
Typo. I intended to write "as God".

[Anonymous No.19253710]

>>19253665
It seems like you just have a prejudice against Jews, buddy

[Anonymous No.19253751]

>>19253692
Are you saying that Jesus wasn’t present with Moses when the Law was given on Sinai? Or that it was not the Son who led the Israelites through the wilderness? Or that He did not order the extermination of the Canaanites?

[Anonymous No.19253836]

>>19253710
>criticise jewish mythology
>MUH ANTISEMITISM
Embarassing. But then again, larping is but a symptom of poor mental faculties.

[Anonymous No.19253841]

>>19253751
Jesus was only present for around 30 years on this planet, buddy.

[Anonymous No.19253850]

>>19253751
That was God, friend. They may be of the same essence, but Christ was also an individual. He can command one to kill if HE desires, but he also instructed us that we shall not murder and that includes the church which cannot command war.

[Anonymous No.19254088]

>>19253841
Jesus is wholly God and wholly man. He is present in the Old Testament, unless you’re trying to shill some Marcionite garbage

[Anonymous No.19254096]

>>19253836
You seem to have a presupposition that Jew / Semite is synonymous with ‘bad’. It’s a thought-terminating cliche that /pol/ has ingrained in your mind. Most Jews are evil today, don’t get me wrong.

[Anonymous No.19254313]

>>19254096
>Jew / Semite is synonymous with ‘bad’.
but thats true
Christ said it himself

[Anonymous No.19254645]

>>19254096
>muh /pol/
Rent free

[Anonymous No.19254768]

>>19253072
The point of Heaven and Hell isn't just about personal salvation though. The call to theosis is answered through action at other things and beings, in order for them to be able to participate in the life of God as well. It is about correctly ordering things, so that the cosmic and infinite love of God can reach all things and call them to become in communion with Him. Failure to do this is Hell. It is distance from God.

[Anonymous No.19255068]

>>19251746
Companies are the power structures of our new society. Despite the fact that their relationship to the lower classes is exploitative, they have a vested interest in making their citizens more effective, stable, and satisfied with their life.

[Anonymous No.19255236]

>>19254313
Christ was in his human nature a Jew, i.e. of Judah, and in the line of Shem. He was against hypocritical and legalistic Pharisees, not Jews in a biological sense. Jews even today can denounce Talmudism and become Christians

[Anonymous No.19256518]

>>19252949
So the Church of Christ immediately in the first century fell into errors and paganism in your view? Because they had liturgical worship which was not written down in scripture, and even the canon of scripture itself was chosen in part based on liturgical usage of the texts.
It is also ironic that these "silent meetings" are themselves nowhere to be seen in the Bible.

[Anonymous No.19256523]

>>19252966
It's not iconography, but a connection and existence in the mystical Body of Christ. Without this there is no salvation and only eternal hell.

[Anonymous No.19256538]

>>19253146
>Isaac the Syrian was an universalist
That is what the bugman wants you to believe. Same with St. Gregory of Nyssa, they take some vaguely universalist sounding quote out of context and think he was universalist when he explicitly talks about eternall hell for some people.
>he should be rightly considered
If he is not considered a heretic, but rather a saint, then that is who he is, because we do not know any truth outside of the Holy Spirit letting us perceive it.

[Anonymous No.19256550]

>>19253161
>every other church's opinion on you will be that you're destined for hell
That's not the case. In fact, if you know a church does not teach this then it is immediately false, because Christ Himself teaches it. The only apostolic churches really saying that heresy leads to hell is Orthodoxy. Romans have given up on this with their invention of invincible ignorance and such, and Orientals are very wishy-washy on this subject and on the reason they schismed in general, some think we can be (or somehow already are) in communion with each other.

[Anonymous No.19256579]

>>19253073
>To believe that Christ is the only way is humbling. We don’t just have the right to pick and choose as we please among the religions of the world.
This. There is nothing more arrogant in the world than saying "Christ was a cool spiritual teacher, but this part where he says that Moses wrote about Him is false!". You are literally placing yourself above Christ if you do not believe His words, or if you believe His words were not preserved them you know nothing about Christ in the first place and are just worshiping your own idol of "Christ-consciousness".

[Anonymous No.19256607]

>>19253192
>Denominations don't matter anon.
Christ and the apostles for sure didn't think so. Christ prayed for unity of His followers, disunity from the original teachings is an error and a grievous sin against Christ.
https://orthodoxchristiantheology.com/2017/03/07/the-wickedness-of-schisms-proven-from-the-scriptures-alone/

[Anonymous No.19256637]

>>19254768
This. It is not purely about being individually saved, because we are tasked with bringing others into becoming sons of the Father as well. We just know the revealed truth that salvation is impossible without becoming part of Christ's body (also any pagan religion would agree with us, because for you there really is no good outcome of 'salvation' in the end, only non-existence which is essentially your goal). We preach a good outcome for everyone who wants to follow and realize God's will about you, which He had before creation, because only in this there is properly speaking any Good.

[Anonymous No.19256687]

>>19251827
How would Christ feel about you impersonating him to spread your own fabricated beliefs on an internet basket-weaving forum? Surely this is sin.

[Anonymous No.19256705]

>>19256687
It's a known demon inciting the person to post in any Orthodox-related thread.

[Anonymous No.19256706]

>>19253224
HOWDY PARDNER

[Jesus Christ !H0lVGXJNm6 No.19256757]

>>19256687
I spread nothing but the truth. Your postings are motivated by fear of the truth and a resentment against the bliss experienced by those who live in My word. You still have a chance to change your ways and turn from the darkness.

[Anonymous No.19256760]

>>19251832
>just write everything else off as "demons"
Would you prefer to call them 'low vibration beings' or something?
Demons means a lot of things. Dont let the images of little red guys define what they are.

[Anonymous No.19256767]

>>19256757
I kind of agree with him desu, as a lighthearted gimmick this is okay but it feels disproportionately irreverent if the subject is so important

Maybe I'm too serious, I don't think Christ can be insulted by such petty things ultimately, obviously he bears no grudge. But it feels like something in conflict with itself, the reverent way you are trying to transcend irony and shitposting while doing what is really a form of ironic shitposting.

[Anonymous No.19256776]

>>19256705
>Jesus is a demon
You're going in an extra hot cauldron when you go to hell

[Anonymous No.19256779]

>>19256767
>I don't think Christ can be insulted by such petty things ultimately
It is taking Christ's name in vain and an attempt to mock Him and his followers. It will lead him into hellfire if he does not repent. Obviously Christ does not bear an emotional grudge and loves the person and wants him to come to Christ, but there is also the Day of Judgement to remember about.

[Anonymous No.19256801]

>>19251832
>just write everything else off as "demons"

[Satan !H0lVGXJNm6 No.19256833]

>>19256779
That's right! Don't listen to that guy's posts! He's fake and all the stuff he's saying is lies! You probably shouldn't even spend so much time thinking about this religious stuff. It's pretty boring. Why not go look at a different thread instead?

[Anonymous No.19257708]

>>19251746
Based.

[Anonymous No.19257825]

>>19256538
>He thinks church decisions are guided by muh holy spirit
You're extremely naive.

[Anonymous No.19257834]

>>19256579
So your entire religion boils down to:
>if you don't believe every word of it you are [insert whatever sin you like to project on others most]
And then you wonder why nobody takes your religion seriously anymore

[Anonymous No.19257846]

>>19257834
>And then you wonder why nobody takes your religion seriously anymore
It's funny how desperately you want this to be true but the biggest cope of all is that atheists exist because the opposite is true

[Anonymous No.19257866]

>>19257846
It's funny you think there is even one atheist in this thread. You're afraid of actual religious competition, because deep down you know your larp is shallow.

[Jesus Christ !H0lVGXJNm6 No.19257887]

The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, their deeds are vile.

[Anonymous No.19257939]

>>19251746
Sheep need to be put to use, my man. Men shave the hooves of cows to make them more confortable so they can yield more milk. Why doing something equivalent to people is a bad thing?

[Anonymous No.19258189]

>>19257939
>Sheep need to be put to use, my man.

[Anonymous No.19258198]

>>19258189
Them doing it for longer doesn't stop you from doing the same. Don't come with "I respect my fellow men" bullshit, you know civilization is built on toil, you're just too weak to be the one managing it

[Anonymous No.19258275]

>>19258198
>you know civilization is built on toil
"My kindgom is not of this world".

[Anonymous No.19258278]

>>19258275
>don't like shilling because that's a jew thing
>proceeds to worship jew's shilled religion for the goyim
Imagine my shock. You're just different cattle, you can't even see it

[Anonymous No.19258312]

>>19251746
>doesn't like eastern spirituality
>joins the eastern orthodox church

[Anonymous No.19258338]

>>19258278
>jew's shilled religion for the goyim
That would be the "noahide" religion where you submit to the rabbi's interpretation of the Torah.
We however say that the Jews have lost their mind and their ability to interpret scripture after they crucified the Messiah, and that they are not Gods chosen people anymore, but rather we are as Jesus Christ's body.

[Anonymous No.19258359]

>>19258338
Whatever you say for coping, my man. You're not one of the chosen people, but their deluded servant.

[Anonymous No.19258363]

>>19258359
>John 8:44
Jesus straight up denounced the kikes.

[Anonymous No.19258369]

>>19258363
You just made my point again

[Anonymous No.19258375]

>>19258359
>but their deluded servant.
Explain to me how I am serving the rabbis who are promised eternal hellfire if they do not turn to the faith?

[Anonymous No.19258389]

>>19258375
You know the rabbis wrote this, don't you? And if they didn't, it was someone lettered on other writings shilled by rabbis, that didn't like rabbis enough to wish them eternal damnation but not smart enough to notice his whole religion is rabbi shilling

[Anonymous No.19258397]

>>19258389
Rabbis did not write the Gospel according to John. He was not a pharisiatic rabbi who killed Christ, but a beloved disciple of Jesus Christ. The only rabbi I know involved in writing the New Testament was St. Paul, who repented from the rabbinic ways and was persecuted by them wherever he went. They tried to kill him to stop the spreading of the covenant to the gentiles, which the Jews could not accept.
You didn't explain how I am serving the rabbis currently in the state of Israel who trace their intellectual lineage to the Christ-killing Jews?

[Anonymous No.19258402]

>>19258359
>but their deluded servant.

[Anonymous No.19258839]

>>19251746
Eastern spirituality is of the demon. They will do anything to try and trick your soul into following them.
https://youtu.be/3jfhGWJB9Ek

[Anonymous No.19259101]

>>19258839
t. doesn't know what eastern spirituality is
>doesn't know that reincarnation is an occultist invention and has nothing to do with authentic hinduism
>doesn't know that authentic yoga is about spiritual states and not (psychic) powers
>doesn't know that magic was seen as a "spiritual poverty" by hindus and was reserved only for the dalits
Can you larpers stop "refuting" things which you know nothing about?

[Anonymous No.19259139]

>>19256538
Isaac seems to be a genuine universalist though. He believes that the love of God will triumph over all and that gehenna will not be eternal

[Anonymous No.19259519]

>>19253478
me