Free from dogma

[Anonymous No.19226069]

Have you ever considered the idea that common philosophical ideas such as idealism, nihilism, materialism, etc are all bullshit? Philosophers often talk about nihilism as something that's self evident. People here love to complain about materialism. But at the end of the day it's just an opinion that became dogmatic in mainstream philosophy.

Nihilism refutes itself because by virtue of existing you are finding some meaning so as you don't lie on the floor and stare at the ceiling for the rest of your life.
Materialism and idealism are false dichotomies because it should be clearly evident that we live in a world that is both material and ideal.
Pessimism suffers the same self refutation of nihilism, because the pessimist finds happiness in being correct, and really just reveals more about his personality than truth

What does this mean for philosophy? It's all just some guy's opinion, that often says more about him than the ideas presented.

[Anonymous No.19226084]

>>19226069
You refute yourself as well. Attempts to demonstrate that all philosophical notions are
false require the use of philosophy. Otherwise, you're just opining in the void.

[Anonymous No.19226095]

Scepticism (a dogma) is the only way
Obtain as many contradicting statements, assumptions and thoughts as possible

Then leave it all aside

[Anonymous No.19226098]

>>19226069
I think you are trying to describe philosophical scepticism or Pyrrhonism, which is an epistemological type of philosophy, not a metaphysical one like nihilism, idealism or materialism

[Anonymous No.19226100]

>>19226069
THE WORLD IS MADE OF MORE THAN GOOD AND EVIL, THE WORLD IS BOTH MATERIAL AND ETHEREAL. OPEN YOUR MIND TO RECEIVE ALL THE UNIVERSE CAN TRANSMIT.

[Anonymous No.19226106]

>>19226084
I don't disagree. But recently I have found myself increasingly incapable of engaging in discussions that employ the philosophic vocabulary. I realize that the idea that "this particular philosopher was right about everything" is typically the first idea that everyone interested in philosophy has had. But it seems many never progress beyond that, even some of the greatest philosophers in history.

[Anonymous No.19226121]

>>19226069
>bullshit
Everything you think is bullshit
Start with the Greeks

[Anonymous No.19226128]

>>19226069
dogma balls lol

[Anonymous No.19226165]

>>19226069
>>19226106
You need to read Paul W. Franks 'All or Nothing'
Please do it for me, OP. If you still feel this way afterwards, I'll accept it

[Anonymous No.19226207]

>>19226069
I don't like this sentence
>Materialism and idealism are false dichotomies because it should be clearly evident that we live in a world that is both material and ideal.
Because this posits a dual nature of the world, which has the usual interaction problems. The world clearly is either material, ideal, or neither.

[Anonymous No.19226233]

>>19226165
I don't see how it relates much, though it seems to be characteristic of 19th century philosophy in general that it has an all or nothing attitude particularly existentialism
>>19226207
Well this is more of what I'm talking about, dualism and monism and whatever else are just more terminological dogma. Why can't it be both? Perhaps there is a third nature yet undiscovered? A higher plane that unites the two? Or there is no material or ideal plane and it is just one subsumed in itself?

[Anonymous No.19226252]

>>19226069
100 IQ post

[Anonymous No.19226262]

>>19226233
>Why can't it be both?
It's not up to other people to spoonfeed you
You have all the texts, all the evidence, figure it out. And if really work at it, and convince yourself, maybe you could even have a new thought, you know
Your intuition isn't wrong, but for every one person who will agree with you, there are more who will say you are wrong, because it's all just mind games

[Anonymous No.19226298]

>>19226233
there is such a position: the Hegelian one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIjmR1dpW8E

There is also a follow-up discussion. Watch if you're serious. It's a presentation by Gabriel on his paper of the same name

[Anonymous No.19226345]

>>19226262
I'm well aware of all that. and I know that an original thought is rare. It was typical of philosophy in the past to blatantly plagiarize without even mentioning the name of the man they were imitating. But I actually think this is a good thing, because you can steal key ideas from another philosopher without the rest of the baggage that comes from associating yourself with him. My favorite example of this is Giambattista Vico and Spinoza; Vico, the zealous Catholic, and Spinoza, blacklisted by the church, but whose Theological-Political Treatise was the foundation for Vico's New Science. Not that he would have ever admitted it.
>>19226298
Thanks, I will listen to that. I think similarly to Hegel already. I enjoy the concept of unity, and I suppose, monism.

[Anonymous No.19226377]

>>19226233
It's not really coherent for reality to have a 'dual nature'. Reality has a single nature. If it were possible to demonstrate a supposed 'dual nature', then they would in truth both be aspects (for lack of a better term) of a single fundamental nature.

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[Anonymous No.19227526]

>>19226069
I choose my philosophy in order of self-pleasing.

[Anonymous No.19227527]

And it's self evident that you're an idiot.

[Anonymous No.19227707]

>>19226069
>Have you ever considered the idea that common philosophical ideas such as idealism, nihilism, materialism, etc are all bullshit?
Yeah, I don't bother with western philosphy any more. Plato pretty much nailed it, there's only so much more that needs to be said.

[Anonymous No.19227747]

>>19226345
>It was typical of philosophy in the past to blatantly plagiarize without even mentioning the name of the man they were imitating.
Knowledge in the past was rare. You had to be very lucky, or very rich, to be able to get a good teacher or manuscript firsthand. You can't "steal" an idea. It's true or it isn't. It doesn't matter who thought it. And most of it is silly when you take a step and ask "really?"
But still, better to search for a new truth and get it wrong, than just shallowly wallow in past ideas

[Anonymous No.19227752]

>>19226128
HOLY SHIT
OP ABSOLUTELY
B T F O
T
F
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THE FUCK OUT
how will he EVER recover????

[Anonymous No.19228371]

>>19226069
>by virtue of existing you are finding some meaning so as you don't lie on the floor
By your logic a tree has purpose because it grows instead of just choosing to wither

[Anonymous No.19229391]

>>19226069

Prepackaged ideologies are, by definition, going ot fail.
Nothing will ever remove the need to think, to adapt, and to change.
Stop looking for answers and start making some of your own.
Truly nonconform, instead of conforming to nonconformity.

[Anonymous No.19229603]

Dogma balls

[Anonymous No.19230874]

yea

[Mica No.19231596]

>>19229603
Irrefutably ordained by the golden dawn.
>Ib4chinesemarket

[Anonymous No.19231745]

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