/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.19161018]

My sister sez Sally Rooney is the voice of our generation. I wouldn't know because I don't really read much contemporary stuff, especially not from women. Is she right? What does Sally even write about? I said Houllebecq is but she sez he is way too old. Who was in the wrong here?

[Anonymous No.19161022]

>sez

[Anonymous No.19161026]

>>19161018
She is not attractive. What is the point of posting a female unless she is hot?

[Anonymous No.19161027]

i sez she woke

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.19161049]

>>19161018
She’s something like the Houllebecq of this generation. He’s the Houllebecq of the last generation of course. If she’s the voice of this generation, it sounds like a really dull generation.

Has she heard of Virago Modern Classics?

[Anonymous No.19161064]

>>19161018
Potato.

[Anonymous No.19161085]

Sis is right that it's a woman but she's got the wrong one.

[Anonymous No.19161094]

>>19161018
>picrel is Normal People, her most popular novel
Sounds like fucking Harry Potter what is this shit

[Anonymous No.19161095]

>>19161049
I'll ask when I go over for thanksgiving. Your comparison to Wellbeck actually piques my interest a little so maybe I will read her some time.
Her husband has read more philosophy than me too so I'm really outclassed here. He made fun of me for being an idealist. \
What are the Virago modern classics?

[Anonymous No.19161108]

>>19161049
well, at least Houellebecq can be the voice of your generation haha.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.19161117]

>>19161095
A publisher that specialized in women writers.
I found a page dedicated to them and I think it must have all their covers.

[Anonymous No.19161134]

>>19161117
I see. Ok, now give it to me straight. Which Sally Rooney book should I read, if any? I trust you not to steer me wrong, more than my own sister.

[Anonymous No.19161135]

>>19161094
It is holy shit. I dated chicks in middle school some kids compared to shreq but I never hid them. I displayed the fact I was probably going to fuck them(but never did, I saved that for a plenty of fish rando). Women like these complex puzzles but it's just simply not that irl.

[Anonymous No.19161146]

>>19161018
how can she be the voice of our generation when she's 40?

[Anonymous No.19161153]

eu teeth with jew nose
bad combo

[Anonymous No.19161154]

This whole thread was sown from a retarded seed. Gaze upon what idiocy you've wrought, OP, and weep for our generation.

[Anonymous No.19161160]

lmao, all that means is your sister is a whore

[Anonymous No.19161179]

Halle Butler and Ottessa Moshfegh are far closer to being "the voice of our generation" if we're considering books that focus on millennial characters.

[Anonymous No.19161216]

>>19161160
You would never say that to my face pussy. Go to sleep tonight contemplating how much of a bitch you know you are.

[Anonymous No.19161232]

>>19161216
ya he's right your sister is a whore
unlucky really

[Anonymous No.19161256]

>>19161018
We’re the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great Author. No Great Novel. Our Great Writer is an instagram poet… our Great Novel is our lives. We’ve all been raised on classics to believe that one day we’d all be authors, and academic gods, and legens. But we won’t. And we’re slowly learning that fact. And we’re very, very pissed off.

[Anonymous No.19161263]

>>19161256
nice

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.19161294]

>>19161134
Read a synopsis of them. If any sound interesting, try it out.

[Anonymous No.19161299]

>>19161294
don't fucking condescend me butterfly just name a book.

[Anonymous No.19161346]

>>19161216
all sally rooney writes about is being a privileged whore. if your sister identifies with her so much that she thinks she is the voice of the generation she is also a whore

[Anonymous No.19161369]

>>19161256
>very very pissed off
Literally cry about it, faggot. No one is angry, they are sad, scared shitless, isolated, self loathing wrecks. I fucking wish our peers expressed real genuine anger, but they aren't even capable of expressing an infantile level of passion. It all gets eaten by information overload indecision, crushed by poverty, and painted over by irony coping. At least anger is kinetic, we're absorbed with the effort to erase ourselves.

[Anonymous No.19161440]

>>19161026
>"why do i recognise this bitch"
>reverse search
>...oh

[Anonymous No.19161547]

>>19161018
Houellebecq is old but he is like our Thomas Hardy.

[Anonymous No.19161554]

>>19161018
Also never heard of Sally whatitz. What's her bag?

[Anonymous No.19161748]

I can believe that she's the voice of our generation. But that makes me very depressed.

[Anonymous No.19161800]

>>19161018
Good Lord she really is a pie-faced Irish goblin, isn't she? She looked vastly better just a year or two ago. Those mick genes really hit hard, don't they?

[Anonymous No.19161827]

>>19161369
amen brother, i would love to see some actual anger out of our generation as opposed to subservience and self-pity.

[Anonymous No.19161833]

>>19161018
Sally is definitely the voice of young white women. Her books have marxist themes, characters railing against capitalism and gender roles, while also having masculine love interests, characters being endlessly indecisive and constantly talking about their feelings.

[Anonymous No.19161872]

>>19161827
Lotta dry tinder out there. All that's missing is a match. Hell, think about all the riots in 2020. It feels like there's a terrible itch among young people to burn it all down, whether you're left-wing or right-wing.

[Anonymous No.19161962]

>>19161018
She's an ugly women writing about all the Chad dick she never got in college with characters who only exist to validate her opinions.

[Anonymous No.19161981]

>>19161872
The demographic that is "angry" is women. Just look at who is protesting en masse and organizing. Men are shamed for expressing anger and women are encouraged to demonstrate anger towards men who are the effigies of hatred for the actions perpetrated by men 50+ years before any zoomer males were ever born. This is by design. Female expression of anger is harmless (from a civil unrest viewpoint), but males will kowtow to female prevailing opinion and actively negate and suppress their right to express anger for access to pussy.

[Anonymous No.19161990]

>>19161981
Have you not heard of #metoo? Men are still raping women. Only betas ask for consent

[Anonymous No.19162001]

>>19161094
>unpopular but secretly very smart girl falls in love with popular handsome guy, later becomes more popular (and pretty) than he
I really hate it when you can tell the gender of an author just by the plot synopsis.

[Anonymous No.19162044]

>literal opening is about being in a hotel bar
>second sentence is about her appearance

yep, it's boring contemporary /roastiecore/, who the fuck reads this shit lel. white women are a disease.

[Anonymous No.19162094]

>>19162044

why aren't we using quotation marks

[Anonymous No.19162096]

>>19161981
Maybe you are not an American? The United States seems to simmer with wrath. Half the country hates the other half. The states are now actively passing laws against each other and the federal government increasingly feels powerless to stop it. I wonder if there won't be another civil war in America soon. Americans seem primed to kill each other, sooner rather than later. Maybe it's different in Europe.

[Anonymous No.19162139]

>>19162096
God I hope so.

[Anonymous No.19162193]

>>19161026
This bitch is ugly as fuck tho...
>>19161440
??? (I'm on mobile and too lazy to RIS tbqh, explain.)

[Anonymous No.19162851]

>>19162094
she thinks she's mccarthy or ee cummings or some shit, who cares.

really though i don't see any reason to use quotation marks if the dialogue parts are obvious in context.

[Anonymous No.19162889]

>>19162851
I use no punctuation whatever in my texts and they can be perfectly understood. You'd be surprised.

[Anonymous No.19162899]

>>19162044
>on which displayed a messaging interface

This is what gets one praise?

[Anonymous No.19162913]

>>19161094
>It's another "becky fucks chad" fantasy
women are so boring.

[Anonymous No.19163346]

Pride and prejudice already perfected the le normie girl gets chad genre.

[Anonymous No.19163349]

>>19161134
>>19161299
Normal People

[Anonymous No.19163377]

>>19161022
get pynchd nerd

[Anonymous No.19163386]

its funny how afriad you all are of women authors. its the mirror image of the reddit women and their red flag reading lists for men. the same empty critisisms. you are all so narrow minded and stupid.

[Anonymous No.19163756]

>>19161018
>voice of our generation
Our generation must have laryngitis

[Anonymous No.19163832]

>>19162913
Holy true image

[Anonymous No.19163835]

Writer's arent a voice of any generation now. reading and writing are fringe activities

[Anonymous No.19164075]

>>19162913
>has never seen american pie

[Anonymous No.19164224]

>>19161018
>Sally Rooney
Imagine studying American lit

[Anonymous No.19164528]

>>19162913
>Left: unresolved Oedipus complex
>Right: adult dilemmas

[Anonymous No.19164589]

>>19161018
Sally Rooney is incredibly insightful, her prose and dialog are delightful. Is she "the voice of our generation"? That seems a bit grandiose. She's talking about more restricted realities and experiences. I'll continue to read her as long as she keeps putting the out, she's definitely A voice worth listening to in this generation.

>>19164224
She's Irish dumbass

[Anonymous No.19164664]

>>19161094
I think I've seen a Will Farrell movie with a similar plot. Something about dancing? I can't remember.

[Anonymous No.19164781]

>>19161094
>>19161135
>>19162001
>>19162913

The subject matter in Normal People did turn me off a bit, I will admit, but I'll tell you, Sally is not trying to titillate or guide you into her fantasies. Normal People is a sharp examination of character and of our culture. The ending of the novel is the clearest proof of this.

[Anonymous No.19164800]

>>19164781
>The ending of the novel
which is?

[Anonymous No.19164851]

>>19164800
After all the tumultuous events of their "relationship" (they are never really a couple), Marianne and Connell are finally in a fairly good place together, then Connell gets an opportunity to go study abroad in America, Marianne encourages him to go.

[Anonymous No.19164878]

Houellebecq is more like the voice of Gen X
Not that much has changed since then but still
A novel about tinder would be pretty crass

[Anonymous No.19164884]

>>19164851
>youths who engage in the hookup culture and flee from the responsibility of being in a relationship lack the ability of forming an intimate connection
woah, insightful

[Anonymous No.19164925]

>>19164884
>engage in the hookup culture
what is meant by it

how come people talk as if actions in real life fit so easily into these categories of the current political discourse

[Anonymous No.19164934]

>>19164925
>what is meant by it
why have sex with one person when I can have sex with a new person every weekend?

[Anonymous No.19164949]

>>19164925
>no you can't put the generic, mindless shit i do in a box because i'm special

[Anonymous No.19164959]

>>19164934
this doesn't describe anyone in the novel
>>19164949
we're talking about a book here. You didn't read it, why are you participating?

[Anonymous No.19164972]

>>19164959
>this doesn't describe anyone in the novel
it's been nice being fuck buddies. byebye

[Anonymous No.19165019]

>>19164959
I'm responding to a complaint that "people talk as if actions in real life fit so easily into these categories of the current political discourse". People who hook up are engaging in "hookup culture". When you do the same shit as all your peers you fit in the same box. This doesn't change just because you like to think of yourself as a unique and interesting snowflake who puts a lot of thought into doing the exact same thing as everyone else.

[Anonymous No.19165097]

>>19165019
>People who hook up are engaging in "hookup culture".
Boy. how to even...

Human beings fuck. Across time and space, no amount of indoctrination and surveillance can keep humans, young and old alike, from fucking.
Would you describe cave people from 10,000BC casually having sex as "hookup culture"? That doesn't seem right. It feels like "hookup culture" is trying to describe something specific about attitudes towards sex here and now, in our present reality. But what?
If we cared to analyze the term we might arrive at some consensus definition, but that sounds boring.

I'm saying, I don't think, according to my definition of "hookup culture" that it describes the behavior of the characters in Normal People. The characters have premarital sex, but their encounters don't have that air of "sex as sport" that to me is the defining feature of a hookup. Even as they are not formally, outwardly committed to each other, there is still a very real intimacy and tenderness between them. This is in fact, probably one of the biggest triumphs in the novel. The way Sally manages to build these circumstances where the characters are always on the cusp of something deeper, more real, but they are chronically afraid of their own feelings.

[Anonymous No.19165197]

>>19161018
She's kinda cute. I wouldn't mind ejaculating on her face

[Anonymous No.19165205]

>>19165097
>Boy. how to even...
fag

Social animals, and presumably cave people, don't treat sex the same way modern humans do. They form relationships that ensure offspring will be cared for. They don't just wander aimlessly around the woods and hump anything that looks good.

Hookup culture is a modern human thing where you wander around humping anything that looks good because you know sex has been completely decoupled from reproduction. They're fulfilling their sexual human desires while not attempting to form any strong, permanent relationship because they live in a culture where that's a normal thing to do.

[Anonymous No.19165246]

Unfortunately, yes

[Anonymous No.19165274]

>>19164781
>>19164851
>>19164925
>>19164959
>>19165097
>>19165197
Holy shit, we know it's you you potato whore marxist mick paddy O'Hack!
You're writing sucks get over it. Be greatful that you're at least making some money off of it and getting some fame; don't start fancying yourself a litterateuse and the voice of a generation.

[Anonymous No.19165286]

>>19162044
>She glanced at the screen of her phone, on which was displayed a messaging interface
why is she writing like a pajeet lmfao

[Anonymous No.19165310]

>>19165205
>cave people never had recreational sex, they basically adhered to judeo-christian sexual mores

[Anonymous No.19165349]

>>19162913
And this is why porn is pushed so hard on our society and why there are so many trannies. Porn has a feminizing effect on men. Without this poison, a man leans toward a long-term relationship built on love, loyalty and trust.

[Anonymous No.19165350]

>>19165310
>muh christian monogamy
Not what I said, strawmanning copetard.

It's true that whores like you that pumped out babies with people they'll never see again were evolutionarily selected against, though. Their babies kept dying instead of receiving welfare.

[Anonymous No.19165362]

>>19165310
lol, nature selected for monogamy retard. children take over a decade to fucking rear

[Anonymous No.19165390]

>>19165362
not in black communities

[Anonymous No.19165399]

>>19165390
contraception destroyed sex, really only the upper class and the deeply religious have escaped it here in the united states

[Anonymous No.19165431]

>>19165350 >>19165362
Your beliefs about "natural human behavior" are based on the half-baked ideas of right wing lifestyle gurus. You'd be surprised to know there is actual anthropological science on the subject you could read at any time
"It takes a village to raise a child" ever heard that one? Monogamy is about power. Always was. It's not some noble, spiritual practice.

But you know, I got into this thread to talk about books, as always the conversation gets derailed by chuds and I find myself again working to help them with these weird "tradlife" mid viruses. bye

[Anonymous No.19165441]

>>19165431
>Your beliefs about "natural human behavior" are based on the half-baked ideas of right wing lifestyle gurus. You'd be surprised to know there is actual anthropological science on the subject you could read at any time

lmao, i have also read the literature

[Anonymous No.19165443]

>>19165431
>my gender studies professor said that some anthropologist told her that villages used to love caring for the offspring of empowered women who had trains run on them by neighboring tribes
monogomy is about no one wants to waste their time raising your shitty children unless their genes are in them

[Anonymous No.19165574]

>>19165097
>>19165431
you will never be a real woman

[Anonymous No.19165673]

>>19161216
faggot ass nigga the real bitch* is the one whose sister is getting fucked by a pack of niggers every night

*aka u

[Anonymous No.19165767]

>>19165431
>"It takes a village to raise a child" ever heard that one?

lmao you literally do not understand this phrase and i can smell your foul beef lips from here, certified dumb woman post and i'm not even an incel. this board, oh baby

[Anonymous No.19165853]

>>19165767
>certified dumb woman post
It's been obvious all along. She was upset we were derailing the great discussion in this Sally Rooney thread.

[Anonymous No.19165857]

>>19165274
based

[Anonymous No.19165897]

>>19162044
>A wide plain, where the broadening Floss hurries on between its green banks to the sea, and the loving tide, rushing to meet it, checks its passage with an impetuous embrace. On this mighty tide the black ships–laden with the fresh-scented fir-planks, with rounded sacks of oil-bearing seed, or with the dark glitter of coal–are borne along to the town of St. Ogg's, which shows its aged, fluted red roofs and the broad gables of its wharves between the low wooded hill and the river-brink, tingeing the water with a soft purple hue under the transient glance of this February sun.
Unironically, what happened to literary prose? Is it that the classics are no longer being read in favor of woke YA? is it the lack of studying a rigorous language like Latin and learning how to craft a beautiful sentence? To think Eliot wrote this opening paragraph 160 years ago while we get this piece of shit being praised as "literature"

[Anonymous No.19165983]

>>19165897
>Is it that the classics are no longer being read in favor of woke YA?

"YA" is overly hyperbolic but now you see the rot of the last 70 years. there are no classicists today, the lunatics are running the academic asylum. but if you reject contemporary literature like this you are an "incel" according to some people.

perhaps now you see why many check out of western "culture" and life altogether in 2021, all america etc. has for new literature is this nigger tier dogshit. meanwhile the chinese are experiencing a sort of renaissance, which fuses classical western thought with contemporary chinese lit. but you'll have to learn mandarin my friend. it might as well be the modern latin. what's wrong, scared of a new experience? government got you spooked about the eastern menace?

come home, crypto-sino man.

[Anonymous No.19166441]

>>19165897
That's because English majors study sociology not literature

[Anonymous No.19166442]

>>19165399
>contraception
>black communities
anon, I...

[Anonymous No.19166462]

>>19165983
socialism was the bulwark preventing total cultural collapse during the 20th century. once the us beat those damn commies they stopped putting any effort into the arts and shit. fucked up rn and only gonna get worse swear

[Anonymous No.19166474]

>>19161018
Most contemporary fiction, mine excluded, all has the same generic pedestrian mundanity. It's too "safe" and "quiet." It lacks scope and ambition, preferring to examine the tiny urban apartment-encapsulated lives of characters as boring and unimaginative as their authors rather than push the boundaries of the medium or explore what is of principal interest in the world today or dare to face down eternal questions. Sally Rooney typifies this tendency. I hold most contemporary fiction in contempt.

[Anonymous No.19166496]

>>19165897
>There is always the hope that we might revive the study of literature as one which takes the images of literature seriously again. But I think that is a dream. The study of literature in the West has been effectively destroyed. It will certainly not revive in the academies. It is by no means dead among common or general readers, as my correspondence shows. Every time a new translation of The Western Canon appears I am deluged with letters from readers who dislike what the academic study of literature has become, because it belies their experience.
>Traditional literary study teaches you not to reduce the image. It takes images very seriously indeed as ways of structuring reality. The leading literary critics of the 20th century – Wilson Knight, Northrop Frye, even a secular figure like Kenneth Burke – taught that everything depends upon the sanctity of the image. It must not be reduced or discarded, and one must not try to find a cognitive substitute for it.
- H. Bloom

[Anonymous No.19166517]

>>19166442
abortion

[Anonymous No.19166690]

>>19162044
This annoys me so much I'm tempted to try and rewrite it. I have some work to do, if the thread's up in another hour or two I might take a stab at it.

[Anonymous No.19167024]

>>19161049
Your opinions, much like your uterus, have little utility to this world; refrain from typing.

[Anonymous No.19167138]

>>19167024
>utility
Back to the cabinet, Bentham

[Anonymous No.19167544]

>>19165097
quite a good really

still, the extract that was posted , this bit

>>19165286

is unforgivable, so no game

[Anonymous No.19167643]

>>19161018
Is that Paul McCartney?

[Anonymous No.19167732]

>>19164781
Please shut the fuck up you retard. She's a pseud that likes to namedrop and self-insert into her novels so she can write about the experience of youth that she never actually had because she spent her time in Trinity fucking debating other pseuds and writing dogshit like this.

[Anonymous No.19167770]

>>19161179
none of moshfegh’s novels focus on millennial characters though; are you referring to something from the short story collection?

[Anonymous No.19167962]

>>19165205
Right, and anon's point is that this is the opposite of what's going on in Normal People, where both protagonists are desperately trying to connect to each other and form a lasting bond.

[Anonymous No.19168250]

>>19161018

[Anonymous No.19168382]

>>19161094
>>19164851
Foul plot.

[Anonymous No.19168864]

>>19161018
>plain bookish girl not only gets plowed by Chad, but also turns out to be cooler than him in the end. also class is totally an important thing
hmmmm, I wonder why the plain bookish girls that dominate publishing and the literary world like normal people so much

[Anonymous No.19168876]

>>19161117
She mogs Sally Rooney desu

[Anonymous No.19168882]

>>19161018
>she looks like this at 30
wew

[Anonymous No.19168926]

>>19165399
It really has. Imagine some device is made that lets you rape any woman. She will have no memory of the event, it won't even be her body (the device produces a clone), and it cannot lead to procreation. Just rape with no repercussions. How would you argue against such a miracle piece of technology? All of its potential pitfalls are psychological not physical. Same exact shit happened to sexuality with widespread contraception and abortion. How do you argue against what seems like a clear expansion of individual rights when the end result is the degradation of meaning?