Nobel /lit/

[Anonymous No.19157824]

It's that time of year again. Who's going to win the prize?

[Anonymous No.19157840]

me, eventually

[Anonymous No.19157844]

>Joyce didn't win the prize
>Proust didn't win the prize
>Henry James didn't win the prize
>Murakami didn't win the prize
>Pynchon didn't win the prize
>Delillo didn't win the prize
>Roth didn't win the prize
>Nabokov didn't win the prize
>Borges didn't win the prize
>Powys didn't win the prize
>Rilke didn't win the prize
>Tolstoy didn't win the prize
>Pessoa didn't win the prize
>Madox Ford didn't win the prize
>Mishima didn't win the prize
>Calvino didn't win the prize
>Murakami didn't win the prize
>Bernhard didn't win the prize
>Musil didn't win the prize
>Broch didn't win the prize
>Celan didn't win the prize
>Murakami didn't win the prize
>Crane didn't win the prize
>Stevens didn't win the prize
>Auden didn't win the prize
>Merrill didn't win the prize
>Bishop didn't win the prize
>Gass didn't win the prize
>Gaddis didn't win the prize
>Shakespeare didn't win the prize
>Dante didn't win the prize
>Milton didn't win the prize
>Hegel didn't win the prize
>Deleuze didn't win the prize
>Boswell didn't win the prize
>Murakami didn't win the prize
>Leonard Cohen didn't win the prize
>Murakami didn't win the prize
>And yet.....

[Anonymous No.19157849]

>>19157844
rightfully so

[Anonymous No.19157851]

Tao Lin

[Anonymous No.19157858]

>>19157824
I dunno, some black girl, I guess.

[Anonymous No.19157866]

>>19157858
the swedish elite is less pozzed then you’d think

[Anonymous No.19157872]

>>19157866
Then some Syrian girl.

[Anonymous No.19157880]

>>19157872
name names, nigger

[Anonymous No.19157882]

>>19157880
Fatima Abdul

[Anonymous No.19157906]

>Joyce didn't win the prize
>Proust didn't win the prize
>Henry James didn't win the prize
>Murakami didn't win the prize
>Pynchon didn't win the prize
>Delillo didn't win the prize
>Roth didn't win the prize
>Nabokov didn't win the prize
>Borges didn't win the prize
>Powys didn't win the prize
>Rilke didn't win the prize
>Murakami didn't win the prize
>Tolstoy didn't win the prize
>Pessoa didn't win the prize
>Madox Ford didn't win the prize
>Hardy didn't win the prize
>Stein didn't win the prize
>Mishima didn't win the prize
>Calvino didn't win the prize
>Murakami didn't win the prize
>Bernhard didn't win the prize
>Musil didn't win the prize
>Broch didn't win the prize
>Celan didn't win the prize
>Murakami didn't win the prize
>Crane didn't win the prize
>Stevens didn't win the prize
>Auden didn't win the prize
>Merrill didn't win the prize
>Bishop didn't win the prize
>Gass didn't win the prize
>Gaddis didn't win the prize
>Shakespeare didn't win the prize
>Dante didn't win the prize
>Milton didn't win the prize
>Hegel didn't win the prize
>Deleuze didn't win the prize
>Boswell didn't win the prize
>Murakami didn't win the prize
>Leonard Cohen didn't win the prize
>Murakami didn't win the prize
>And yet.....

[Anonymous No.19157988]

>>19157906

I think you are changing what the Nobel is. You look at its level of honor and want to equate it to recipients that hold equal levels of honor for you or those that follow them, but the Nobel doesn't care.
The Nobel doesn't care if the recipient is right or whether they are respected.
The Nobel only looks at the greater effect of the work.

Nobel himself would have to believe that; having invented TNT, there are arguments on both sides of whether more good or bad was done by its invention, but no one can dispute its effect.

Dylan clearly affected more than anyone on your list. Music, literature, politics, culture, technology: He did not consciously move these or find some great truth, but he, and those that copied him, brought philosophical poetry and music together into a resounding force that transcended the cultural schemas of the art of the day, and nothing has been the same since.

[Anonymous No.19158068]

>>19157824
Jesús G. Maestro

[Anonymous No.19158072]

A Chinese writer no one's heard of, because only striver countries still care about the award.

[Anonymous No.19158078]

>>19157866
Yes, I didn't think they had it in them to give it to Handke.

[Anonymous No.19158096]

According to the odds makers here is the list of those most likely tow in.

Haruki Murakami
Ngugi Wa Thiongo
Anne Carson
Lyudmila Ulitskaya
Margaret Atwood
Maryse Condé
László Krasznahorkai
Annie Ernaux
Jamaica Kincaid
Don De Lillo
Joyce Carol Oates
Mircea Cartarescu
Thomas Pynchon
Javier Marías
Can Xue
Michel Houellebecq
Yan Lianke
Amos Oz
Hélène Cixous
Mia Couto

[Anonymous No.19158105]

>>19158096
>Murakami
>Atwood
>Pynchon
>Delillo
>Pynchon
>Hollaback
Kek these will never win. Why are they even included? No one from this list will win.

[Anonymous No.19158108]

>>19157988
incredibly based explainer

[Anonymous No.19158110]

>>19158105
You put those names on there to take money from people.

[Anonymous No.19158128]

>>19158096
>no jon fosse
nynorskbros...

[Anonymous No.19158142]

>>19158096
Amos Oz died in 2018. This list must be a bit old.

[Anonymous No.19158146]

>>19158142
They can give it to him posthumous?

[Anonymous No.19158148]

>>19158105
Neither will Oz or Cartarescu: the first because he is dead, the second because he is shit.

[Anonymous No.19158164]

>>19157988
>Dylan affected more than Borges.
Imagine being THIS retarded.

[Anonymous No.19158251]

>>19158096
I read Annie Ernaux - not bad.

[Anonymous No.19158418]

i'd love anne carson to win. she really deserved it more than louise gluck imo

[Anonymous No.19158448]

>>19158418
It's funny how everyones immediate reaction to her winning was it should have gone to Anne Carson.

[Anonymous No.19158458]

>>19157988
Lmaooooo

[Anonymous No.19158480]

>>19157824
It's going to Marías, nothing you can do about it.

[Anonymous No.19158481]

>>19158418
>femoid literature
Filtered

[Anonymous No.19158483]

>>19157824
Rupi Kaur

[Anonymous No.19158493]

>>19158164

Who is Borges?

[Anonymous No.19158494]

>>19158480
He is so fucking dogshit. It is just the meme of French literature but in Spanish

[Anonymous No.19158506]

>>19157824
>Alfr.
there's enough space for the -ed on that coin. silly swedes.

[Anonymous No.19158523]

>>19158494
I agree, but anglofags seem to love it. The Spanish language hasn't won it for over 10 years, and he's the most prominent "literary" writer out there right now.
I'd rather having Aira or Vila-Matas wining it, at least those fags don't take themselves so seriously.

[Anonymous No.19158578]

what is the criteria used?

[Anonymous No.19158586]

>>19158578
literal whim of literal whos

[Anonymous No.19158603]

>>19158578
>“The said interest shall be divided into five equal parts, which shall be apportioned as follows: /- – -/ one part to the person who shall have produced in the field of literature the most outstanding work in an ideal direction …”
From the website. >>19157988 is one of the few anons to actually have any grip of the how and why of the prize. Everyone else is just seething over the fact that their favourite author didn't get it.

[Anonymous No.19158689]

The contenders

https://m.nicerodds.co.uk/nobel-prize-in-literature

Focus only on ladbrokes. It is the only relevant one for the nobel.

[Anonymous No.19158722]

ASAP Rocky

[Anonymous No.19158726]

British or French winner if not Japanese this time. I think British is far more likely.

[Anonymous No.19158772]

>>19158096
Cormac McCarthy writes circles around everyone on this list

[Anonymous No.19158778]

Ibram X Kendi

[Anonymous No.19158888]

>>19157824
Most likely to win (in order):
Can Xue
Annie Ernaux
Dubravka Ugrešić

Most deserving but unlikely:
Charles Simic
Botho Strauß
Fleur Jaeggy (small œuvre)
Bei Dao
Adam Zagajewski (died this year)

Small chance:
Michel Houellebecq
Péter Nádas
Adonis
Marilynne Robinson
Anne Carson
Mia Couto

No chance:
Ngũgĩ wa Thiong'o
Karl Ove Knausgaard
Don DeLillo
Jon Fosse
Javier Marías
Milan Kundera (would kill him anyways)
László Krasznahorkai
Cormac McCarthy
Haruki Murakami
Pynchon (lol)

This year’s equivalent of Glück winning over Simic and Carson: an Asian winning over Bei Dao and Can Xue (Xi Xi would be acceptable) or Hélène Cixous winning over Ernaux.

There are several middle eastern writers being talked about that I haven’t read or heard of, but I would guess none are better choices than Adonis (if they are, recommend me some). I’m also unfamiliar with Homero Aridjis, do Spanish anons recommend?

[Anonymous No.19158893]

>>19158888
based fleur jaeggy fan

[Anonymous No.19158953]

>>19158888
I feel like people pretend the Nobel Prize in Literature is more "woke" than it really is. I think the Nobel Peace Prize gives the rest of the prizes bad press. Bob Dylan was a bad choice, but whatever. They might miss the mark, but their choices are rarely guided by a desire to appease that woke politics. I think Toni Morrison is the last black person win the prize.

[Anonymous No.19158969]

>>19158953
It isn't woke but they do have retarded internal politics that go on which prevents certain authors from having a chance. It is still probably the best literary reward currently. Even someone like Louise Glück, who I don't think deserved to win over many other contemporary poets, is at least an actual writer. And before her, Peter Handke was a great choice and well deserved.

[Anonymous No.19159059]

tao lin

[Anonymous No.19159094]

>>19158969
>Peter Handke
He wasn't only a good choice and well-deserved recipient, but also controversial. Any other (major) literary price would have likely passed him by for that last reason alone.

[Anonymous No.19159353]

>>19158888
I'm Mexican, been meaning to get Homero Aridjis' poetry but is surprisingly hard to find, he's not as read as much nowadays. I've read some critics talk about him though, what they say is that his early poetry is amazing, but his later poetry gets lost in rhetoric. His novels are apparently good too.
I hope Mia Couto wins though, he is so good. Wouldn't be mad if Annie Erneaux won, I'd be dissapointed if they gave the award to Cixous. I'm about to start one of Can Xue's books soon, I've got high hopes.

[Anonymous No.19159410]

>>19159353
I wonder if I can even find anything by Homero Aridjis that has been translated then. I'll look more into him though based on what you said. I have a bad feeling Cixous will get it over Ernaux. Said the same thing about Glück over Carson and Simic last year.
Can Xue is good but different and a lot of people will dislike her style. I always suggest starting with her shorter works over something like Frontier.

[Anonymous No.19159479]

>>19158164
You seem to still misunderstand that the nobel is not about who your favorite writer is, or even how “good” he was. Yes, Dylan had considerably more impact in culture than Borges did.

[Anonymous No.19159525]

>>19158953
>>19158969

How much more woke than Annie Ernaux could one possibly get? She's French but she might as well have come out of a US uni.

[Anonymous No.19159555]

>>19159525
Not sure what your point is. Someone can win the nobel prize and have 'woke' politics without winning for that reason. She is a good writer. The Years and I Remain in Darkness are both wonderful. And you can always just ask, how did Handke win 2 years ago?

[Anonymous No.19159560]

>>19159525
She's still a good writer. Plus her autobiographical fiction seems to have more to do with someone like Proust than with the narcissism of contemporary American autobiographical fiction. Maybe someone more learned can dispute this.

[࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇ !KNDY3cHnRY No.19159806]

IMAGINE CARING FOR SOME ZIONISTIC SWEDISH PRIZE TO THE GLOBALISTICALLY CORRECT...

[Anonymous No.19159816]

>>19159806
>says this and still shills Lispector

[Anonymous No.19159820]

>>19159806
>zionistic
Why are you so stupid?

[Anonymous No.19159821]

>>19159806
Confirmed illiterate pleb

[Anonymous No.19159822]

>>19159816
>>19159820
>>19159821

[Anonymous No.19159827]

>>19159822
put the trip back

[Anonymous No.19159839]

>>19159816
>>19159820
>>19159821

[Anonymous No.19159840]

>>19159806
This dude is a paedophile

[Anonymous No.19159847]

Gardner

[Anonymous No.19159854]

>>19159827
I am not him, you all just sound like redditors

[Anonymous No.19159947]

Sir... does this question really n'eed to be asked?

[Anonymous No.19160004]

>>19159854
>I am not him, I just like defending tripfags
Sure pedogenus

[Anonymous No.19160139]

>>19157988
Lol as someone who doesn’t think Dylan was THAT bad of a recipient you gave a shit explanation

[Anonymous No.19160149]

>>19158772
t. has not read anyone listed
And I love McCarthy

[Anonymous No.19160504]

bump

[Anonymous No.19160991]

>>19157824
Thomas Mann

[Anonymous No.19161019]

>>19157824
Charles Tingle.

[Anonymous No.19162333]

Congratulations to the winner of the 2021 Nobel prize of Literature

[Anonymous No.19162388]

>>19158493
>Newfag
Jorge Luis Borges

[Anonymous No.19162477]

>>19159094
he has won plenty of other prizes

[Anonymous No.19162518]

>>19162477
No international prizes even close to the Nobel in prestige or in the attention it gets. I'm not going to pretend like he's more controversial than he actually is though, I find him utterly inoffensive.

[Anonymous No.19162543]

>>19158164
Of course Dylan has had more impact than Borges. Are you really this stupid?

[Anonymous No.19162911]

>>19162543
On literature? No

[Anonymous No.19162922]

>>19158146
Nope

[Anonymous No.19163156]

Been a while since Gao Xingjian won, so this time another Chinese author will win.

[Anonymous No.19163172]

>>19163156
Gao Xingjian was a citizen of France when he won it which made the CCP seethe. so they gave it to Mo Yan a little later on (who's the better writer fwiw). Neither Can Xue or Yan Lianke are even on the same planet as Mo Yan, and he's a one trick pony himself.

[Anonymous No.19163181]

>>19163172
Shit, forgot Mo Yan. Also the Nobel is heavily influenced by politics, so I wouldn't be surprised if another Chinese writer win some time soon.

[Anonymous No.19163183]

>>19158888
Can Xue literally had zero chance of winning.

[Anonymous No.19163192]

>>19163181
I assume you mean a critic of the regime, then. Swedish-Chinese relations have been very tense in recent years, the Academy would never give the prize to some party-loyal or even apathetic author. I doubt we'll see a chinese winner at all.

[Anonymous No.19163205]

>>19157988
>Dylan clearly affected more than anyone on your list. Music, literature, politics, culture, technology: He did not consciously move these or find some great truth, but he, and those that copied him, brought philosophical poetry and music together into a resounding force that transcended the cultural schemas of the art of the day, and nothing has been the same since.
His influence has been for the worse as his work precipitated the death of folk culture, the dominance of popular culture over all cultural expression, and creation of a delusional class of critics who have come to believe that shitty song lyrics have some sort of philosophical depth. In the age of “poptimism” we’re currently living in, it makes sense that an institution would give an award like this to Dylan, that is only because they’re eager to award their win rotting stench.

[Anonymous No.19163216]

>>19163205
Songs like lyrics can’t be deep because ….. they just can’t, ok!!!!!

[Anonymous No.19163222]

>>19163181
Göran Malmqvist, the only sinologist in the Academy (and personal friend of Mo Yan), is now dead, so I doubt that it'll be a Chinese winner this time.

[Anonymous No.19163225]

>>19163216
The lyrics of American popular music can’t, that’s for sure. Dylan was one of the people who made sure of it.

[Anonymous No.19163227]

>>19158888
Also, lol did you just discover Bei Dao and the misty poets?

[Anonymous No.19163237]

What about old boy Kadare?

[Anonymous No.19163310]

>>19159353
Aridjis's work is edited by the FCE, it can be found quite easily actually.

[Anonymous No.19163432]

>>19163183
Who do you think is most likely to win?
>>19163227
No, why would including just Bei Dao make you think that? I included him in both my posts from last year and the year before. If I just discovered them why wouldn't I include Duo Duo and why would I mention Xi Xi instead?

[Anonymous No.19164150]

>>19157906
Murakami > Shakespeare

[Anonymous No.19164858]

Don Delillo I think

[Anonymous No.19164862]

>>19162333
michel "my wife is asian" houellebecq

[Anonymous No.19164939]

>>19163432
Because you just discovered them.

[Anonymous No.19164974]

Another year, another snub, that's my prediction.

[Anonymous No.19165076]

>>19164939
Okay, I don't really care. I just discovered all of them. Since you think Can Xue has no chance, who do you think will win?

[Anonymous No.19165086]

Twitter reply guys

[Anonymous No.19165095]

Thomas Sowell

[Anonymous No.19165244]

Fosse or Houellebecq should be the winner. Probably not happening.

[Anonymous No.19165257]

>>19165244
>houllebecq
>ideal direction
Read about the actual prize or fuck off.

[Anonymous No.19165301]

Murakami has been rumored to have been nominated like 10 times already, but they won't give it to another Jap so soon after Ishiguro.

McCarthy seems like the obvious choice but he's a white male so that lowers his odds a bit.

Honestly, seethe all you want but there is no living writer now who is on the same level of the writers in the early half of the 20th century. The problem then wasn't deciding who the fuck to pick, the problem was narrowing down how to give it to out of the wealth of great options.

But yeah, it will most likely be some strong independent black woman that literally no one has heard of. Honk honk.

[Anonymous No.19165313]

Amanda Gorman. Screencap it.

[Anonymous No.19165315]

>>19157906
>Murakami didn't win the prize
And thats a good thing. Dylan is unironically a better writer and overall artist.

[Anonymous No.19165322]

>>19165301
Another anon who doesn't have the slightest clue what the Nobel Prize in Literature is actually about. See >>19158603

>some strong independent black woman that literally no one has heard of
Attempt at a tired joke or a genuine belief based on utter ignorance?

[Anonymous No.19165328]

John Crowley

[Anonymous No.19165331]

>>19158523
Aira is very pretentious and takes himself very seriously.

[Anonymous No.19165337]

>>19165322
Enlighten me anon. What is the Nobel Prize in Literature actually about.

[Anonymous No.19165338]

>>19160149
No, no, he's right.

[Anonymous No.19165343]

>>19157988
Okay, sure, give it to Nicki Minaj bro.

You inevitably divulge into the quality of Dylan's work.. rather than just the 'effect'. Perhaps it's essential that the writer has to be one somewhat of the time, somewhat in the minds of contemporaries. But as the other anon pointed out, Borges has and will have a far larger influence than Dylan. Dylan will be mostly forgotten, Borges will not because he is great literature. In a properly Carlylean way since we are talking about Borges, because there is in truth more good in one though he has less might, and the good is what preserves and what effect preserves. Dylan is might worth no good in comparison to Borges.

[Anonymous No.19165368]

>>19165337
Not him, but the last time an independent black women won was more than 30 years ago.

This is not the peace prize, they don't really give a flying fuck about race. (although nationality seems to matter).

[Anonymous No.19165370]

>>19157988
Okay, sure, give it to Nicki Minaj bro.

You inevitably divulge into the quality of Dylan's work.. rather than just the 'effect'. Perhaps it's essential that the writer has to be one somewhat of the time, somewhat in the minds of contemporaries. But as the other anon pointed out, Borges has and will have a far larger influence than Dylan. Dylan will be mostly forgotten, Borges will not because he is great literature. In a properly Carlylean way since we are talking about Borges, because there is in truth more good in one though he has less might, and the good is what preserves and what effect preserves. Dylan is might worth no good in comparison to Borges.

But there is already proof of it, as the correct anon points out >>19162911

[Anonymous No.19165401]

>tfw his dad resigned from the committee before handing him his well deserved prize
What a shitty dad

[Anonymous No.19165411]

Time traveler here
Bobby gets a second one to cause maximum seethe

[Anonymous No.19165434]

>>19165343

You start with the fallacy of a false equivalence: a ridiculous comparison. No one is saying Nikky M is as influential as Dylan.

Secondly, effect is not popularity or whether they are known, and the anon clearly did not say anything about Borges specifically, but most importantly, the work has to transcend its field. I doubt that ad you see on tv or that political movement references Borges.
There is a point when the work AND its effect enter the fabric of the narrative. For example, no one has heard of most of the economist that get the prize, nor of the physicists or chemists; however, everyone experiences and uses the effect of their work, whether in policy decisions or in inventions.

Finally, everyone can't win.

I agree that the Nobel is flawed, and certainly, the value of a Nobel Laureate's opinion on most things outside of the work awarded does not mean anything to me or anyone who matters. So another plus on Dylan's side is that I haven't seen him on any cable news or sitting as a panelist on some game show, nor has anyone hired him, to my knowledge, to be on a board...

Soooo....

[Anonymous No.19165451]

>>19165337
I just linked the general criteria; it's from the will of Alfred Nobel. He wanted the prize to go to an author who in the field of literature has produced the most outstanding work <in an ideal direction>. Writers like Houllebecq are never going to get it (who I wouldn't want to see win it even if it were 'only' about well-written literature), nor any young, unknown women.

[Anonymous No.19165465]

>>19165401
His dad is based. I regularly enjoy his essays on literature whenever they're published in the paper.

[Anonymous No.19165489]

>>19158888
Xi Xi (and Bei Dao/Can Xue) have been checked out from the nobel library a bunch lately

[Anonymous No.19165508]

>>19165451

>implying the Nobel committee gives a fuck what the will of a dead white male says
Holy shit lmao.

[Anonymous No.19165522]

>>19159410
>I wonder if I can even find anything by Homero Aridjis that has been translated then
I wouldn't be surprised if he's read more outside Mexico. If he's not read over here it has more to do with the fact that no one reads poetry (there's even this joke about how only poets bother to do so) and the rare times someone does they're probably going to read one of the few poets who have somehow been able to not become unknown or some contemporary work. From what I gather Mexican lit has also been having a sort of translation boom also, so that should make him easier to find. I hope you'll be able to find something of his.
>>19163310
Damn you're right I'm dumb. His earlier poetry books still seem harder to find but I'll definitely buy some of his books, thanks anon.

[Anonymous No.19165526]

>>19162333
Based WMAF appreciator

[Anonymous No.19165528]

>>19165508
Why do you americans always project your own issues onto every single part of Europe? The Swedish Academy is not the fucking jury of the Pulitzer prize.

[Anonymous No.19165544]

>>19165434
>No one is saying Nikky M is as influential as Dylan.
Well that's what you have to say, as one of the most popular singers today. You'd like it to be a false equivalent, but it's not because the arguments for Dylan in that post outright removed the question of 'value' in a work.

>the anon clearly did not say anything about Borges specifically,
The anon by all logic must be clearly saying that Dylan is more deserving of the prize than Borges, simply out of 'effect'.

>I doubt that ad you see on tv or that political movement references Borges.
??????? How do you not understand something having an 'effect' on literature is a thousand times more important than the 'effect' on pop music?

>however, everyone experiences and uses the effect of their work, whether in policy decisions or in inventions.
Everyone experiences or uses the effect of Knut Hamsun's work?

[Anonymous No.19166529]

>>19165489
Is Nobel library checkouts a leading indicator? Don’t people buy books there? Certainly they have money - or is this an environmental thing.

[Anonymous No.19166572]

>>19157824
Ernaux or Fosse or Can Xue

[Anonymous No.19166643]

>>19163237
he won the jerusalem prize this year he wont get the nobel now
besides nobody gives a fuck about al-baniah

[Anonymous No.19166655]

>Muh Pynchon
>Muh Delillo
>Muh McCarthy
John Crowley is the only American writer that deserves the prize

[Anonymous No.19166664]

>>19166655
I wish you the best of luck in eventually losing your virginity.

[Anonymous No.19166682]

>>19157906
>Shakespeare didn't win the prize
I bet Shakespeare was really pissed off about not winning the Nobel prize

[Anonymous No.19166691]

>>19158494
kek okay mr retardation or should i say hon hon oui moneseieur retardation

[Anonymous No.19166695]

>>19157906
>Murakami 6 times
kek

[Anonymous No.19166746]

So who's going to call John Banville this year?

[Anonymous No.19167164]

>>19166682
>I bet Shakespeare was really pissed off about not winning the Nobel prize
"I'm seething" were his exact words, apparently

[Anonymous No.19167180]

>>19165489
Do you have the link to the Nobel library Checkouts website?yrygr

[Anonymous No.19167251]

>>19157866
The Nobel Prize is slowly becoming western literature's last hope
>"Perhaps the esteemed Nobel Committee is so invested in the preservation of Western civilization that to it a page of Mr. Handke is worth a thousand Muslim lives. Or it could be that in the rarefied chambers in Stockholm, Mr. Handke’s anxious goalie is far more real than a woman from Srebrenica whose family was eradicated in the massacre. The choice of Mr. Handke implies a concept of literature safe from the infelicities of history and actualities of human life and death. War and genocide, Milosevic and Srebrenica, the value of the writer’s words and actions at this moment in history, might be of interest to the unsophisticated plebs once subjected to murder and displacement, but not to those who can appreciate “linguistic ingenuity” that “has explored the periphery and the specificity of human experience.” For them, genocide comes and goes, but literature is forever."

[Anonymous No.19167279]

>>19166655
I love John Crowley, but hell would freeze over first.

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>>19165544
>Everyone experiences or uses the effect of Knut Hamsun's work?
Yeah, Hunger and Mysteries were hugely influential on 20th century lit.

[Anonymous No.19167834]

not gonna happen but it would be cool if pynchon or houellebecq

[Anonymous No.19167845]

>>19167251
>For them, genocide comes and goes, but literature is forever.
based

[Anonymous No.19167846]

It has to be someone that is both a literally who and controversial enough to make headlines.

>>19165301
Ishiguro barely counts as a Jap, he was raised in Britain and only one of his books is about Japan. He's very much a British novelist in just about every way.

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>>19157824
Thr commitee has been given so much grief lately ober their picks that they might just cave and award it to se rando middle-eastern woman, jjst to cover all the inclusivity check boxes,.and then proceed to do things as they usually do the next and following years, Having officially been woke. Yasmina Reza, might be an okay pick for that, because she is also sewhat popular, and almost nobody expects a frenchy to win this time around. She's also not really nobel prize level, so it will create a stir, so their woke choice resonates even more heavily.

I don't think we can expect much this year.

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>>19158146
Only to people who died the same year it's awarded. If they don't get it the same year they die, they never will.

[Anonymous No.19167875]

>>19157824
Bret Easton Ellis

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>>19162911
Lyricism does not count as literature anymore?

Did I fucking fall through an interdimensoinal tunnel?

[Anonymous No.19167888]

>>19163225
First of all, you're obviously wrong. Take your absolutist shit to catholic mass where it belongs.

Secondly, depth is not a prerequisite for something to be good? Sincere, clear lyrical prowess can also be highly effective AND evocative. What makes you crave depth more than anything and why should the Swedish Academy care?

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>>19157824
>some jew award that only rewards blacks and w*myn
not interested

[Anonymous No.19167894]

>>19167891
You would have better success using "only rewards other jews" in your future bait attempts

[Anonymous No.19167909]

>>19157906
Look, I love all of Murakami’s work, but the man hasn’t put out a top tier book since Tsukuru in 2013, his two newest books since them, Killing Commendatore and First Person Singular, were respectively a shittier rewrite of Wind-Up Bird and slight rehashes of older stories republished, and even if his fiction wasn’t washed up, if he was gonna win it, it was gonna happen back in 2000 for Underground, not any of his fiction work.

If he hasn’t won yet, it’s not happening.

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>>19167909
Ishiguro won his two decades after his last truly great work (even if you want to count Never Let Me Go as great it was still published 12 years before he won) so it's definitely not impossible.

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>>19167251
Based

>>19157866
The core of the Swedish Academy are pomo Heideggerians

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>>19162388
>Newfag
He's obviously baiting you into a response

[Anonymous No.19168446]

>>19167251
What the fuck, I love the Nobel Prize now.

[Anonymous No.19168489]

Tfw I don't know almost anyone from the authors mentioned itt, but I read every day.
I don't really read books from authors that are still alive.

[Anonymous No.19168509]

>>19167251
>For them, genocide comes and goes, but literature is forever.
Most based thing I read today

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>>19167251
The handwringing about the sacredness of human life is perhaps the most obnoxious feature of our artistic class.

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>>19167180
https://lib.nobelbiblioteket.se/*eng

The boomers over at worldliteratureforum usually have this figured out early.
https://www.worldliteratureforum.com/forum/index.php?threads/nobel-prize-in-literature-2021-speculation.66406/

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>>19167180
>>19168939
Forgot to add they used to list due date so it was pretty easy to see which books are loaned out during the nomination process. It's a little bit more of a crap shoot this year, but current loaned out works from some authors are:

dag solstad 10
knausgard 15
fosse 4
ernaux 11
Cixous 8
yu hua 4
can xue 5
Xi Xi 2
Adonis 5
Ngugi wa Thiong'o 7

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>>19168960
Also
Murakami 15
Lazlo Krashnokrai 1

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>>19168939
They are almost always wrong.

[Anonymous No.19169036]

>>19167888
> First of all, you're obviously wrong. Take your absolutist shit to catholic mass where it belongs.
No, I’m right. American popular music is engineered to be incapable of depth, artistry or authenticity.
The only thing America popular music is effective at is being a product designed for appealing to the lowest common denominator and cynical emotional manipulation.

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>>19168960
>>19168995
Ngugi wa Thiong'o and Murakami have no chance. Krasznahorkai and Fosse have little chance.

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>>19169218
>Krasznahorkai
too young, maybe in ten years, besides i'd say nadas has a greater chance

[Anonymous No.19169313]

>>19167918
Klara is his best work, mutt

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>>19169218
Fosse has a good chance, being Norwegian is one of them.
Krasznahorkai has zero chance. People read too much into the book-checkout. Proust has 2 books checked out as well, but he isn't in competition.

[Anonymous No.19169413]

THE ODDS (ladbrokes):-

Haruki Murakami 7.50
Anne Carson 11.00
Lyudmila Ulitskaya 11.00
Margaret Attwood 11.00
Maryse Conde 11.00
Ngugi Wa Thiong'o 11.00
Annie Ernaux 13.00
Jamaica Kincaid 13.00
Don DeLilo 17.00
Dubravka Ugrešić 17.00
Hélène Cixous 17.00
Javier Marias 17.00
Nuruddin Farah 17.00
Can Xue 21.00
Mia Couto 21.00
Michel Houllebecq 21.00
Yan Lianke 21.00
Charles Simic 26.00
Edna O'Brien 26.00
Homero Aridjis 26.00
Ivan Vladislavic 26.00
Jon Fosse 26.00
Karl Ove Knausgaard 26.00
Ko Un 26.00
Scholastique Mukasonga 26.00
Xi Xi 26.00
Both Strauss 34.00
Cormac McCarthy 34.00
Hilary Mantel 34.00
Linton Kwesi Johnson 34.00
Marilynne Robinson 34.00
Yu Hua 34.00
Zoe Wicomb34.00
Martin Amis 51.00
Milan Kundera 51.00
Salman Rushdie 51.00
Stephen King 51.00
William T Vollmann 51.00
Richard Osman 101

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>>19169413
>Anne Carson 11.00
who's thick enough to believe she'll win it right after louise gluck lmao

[Anonymous No.19169483]

>>19169474
I have a feeling that the academy is trying harder to surprise people with their choices.

[Anonymous No.19169484]

>>19169413
No one here will win

[Anonymous No.19169499]

DAG SOLSTAD
DAG SOLSTAD

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>>19169484
Someone will. It has been consistent over the years. Even Handke, who nobody expected, had some teemy tiny odds in '19, even though he was just dangling at the end of the list.

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>>19169036
Found the hermeneutics fan.

Perhaps you're broadly right, but even trends should not convince you of absolute truths. Exceptions can almost invariably always be found. Personally, I always find a new criticism approach more enjoyable to reading or any other experience with art.

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>>19169302
>Who in the blooming fucks is Krasznahorkai?

After googling, I can say that he most definitely is not too young. His body of works spans more than 4 decades, and he has accrued accolades for most of his work. However, I've only managed to sneak peeks into some of his stuff for now, and it feels like he's a watered down version of Jelinek..? What is he like actually read?

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>>19169413
Who is retarded enough to put their money into Knausgaard or Houellebecq? Lmao

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>>19169313
I don't know about that, but it is a great one, and I think, timing-wise, was probably the one novel that hit the mark perfectly with publishing, culturally.

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>>19169896
Or yu hua.

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>>19169893
Krasznahorkai is pretty well known, but mostly from Bela Tarr's famous film adaptions of his works, especially Sátántangó (1994).

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>>19169896
>>19169916
I don't think Houellebecq is impossible. The other two, yes.

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>>19169413
>Salman Rushdie
that would cause a massive shitstorm in muslim world

[Anonymous No.19170270]

Kunderabros this is our year

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>>19165370
That's the same as saying Shakespeare couldn't have effect on literature since only wrote plays. Drama, lyrics, they all still fall under the term of literature.

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>>19157988
>Dylan affected more than Nabokov
The level of stupidity is just frightening

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>>19169499
probably not happening. despite his earlier work being worth the prize his latest book fell off. he'll have to wait a couple more years i'll believe.

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>>19170369
where to start with solstad?

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>>19170369
I don't think he'll ever win (and I don't think he'd deserve it).
Jon Fosse might win before drinking himself to death though.

[Anonymous No.19171007]

>>19170481
Jon Fosse has actually been sober for 8-9 years now

>>19170396
literally any of his books. He has his different periods so just check out what you find interesting. Cant go wrong with Shyness and Dignity

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>>19157824
When are they announcing it? Any specific date?

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>>19171007
I ran into him in Rome in 2012 and he was a total wreck. I guess he stopped drinking right after.

[Anonymous No.19171066]

>>19171052
>I ran into him in Rome in 2012
Tell me about it in detail pls
inb4 lotus flower copypasta

[Anonymous No.19171069]

>>19171024
This Thursday at 13:00.

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>>19171066
It's not that interesting.
In 2012 I had recently graduated high school and went to Rome with some friends (one ended up studying there).
We sat down at some random bar and my best friend told me the guy in the back was some famous author she had read (I had never read anything by him).
He seemed happy to meet some compatriots. Spent the rest of the night keeping him company while he was alternating discussing the benefits of catholicism and crying over his ex-wife.

When I got home I ended up reading a few of his novels. I liked them even though I'd always loathed reading Nynorsk.

[Anonymous No.19171103]

>>19157824
CARTARESCU FOR THE WIN
ROMANIA IS BEST COUNTY IN WORLD

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>>19171098
If spending a night with Fosse isn't interesting to you, then I don't what could be. Also,
>while he was alternating discussing the benefits of catholicism and crying over his ex-wife.
Gomfy as fugg

[Anonymous No.19172007]

>>19168939
How does that forum compare to /lit/? The level of "sophistication" /lit/ has still blows my mind given everything that could go wrong with this place.

[Anonymous No.19172116]

>>19172007
It is extremely normalfag. They don't even discuss books, rather some vague ideas about books that other members agree/disagree with.

[Anonymous No.19172464]

It's gonna be Jean-Luc Godard, lads. Thus setting a precedent where filmmakers are awarded this circus of an award, too.

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>>19158105
Murakami might have won if Ishiguro hadn't a few years ago, but since Ishiguro has a Japanese surname and writes relatively popular books, the Nobel committee isn't going to give the prize to Murakami any time soon (or ever).

Houellbecq would be hilarious (and almost even deserving on the strength of Les Particles élémentaires), but is far to controversial a figure for the Committee to recognize. None of the others of your sublist (and many in the larger list in the post that you respond to) have any shot given how Anglo/American-centric the last several winners have been (Dylan, Ishiguro, Gluck); we have several rounds where we won't see a first-world-western author win, and certainly none whose first language is English.

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>>19167857
>Yasmina Reza
I *love* "Art," but Reza is nowhere near Nobel level.

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>>19169313
I adore Klara, but there is no question that The Unconsoled is Ishiguro's best.

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>>19172498
Murakami is pulp trash he will never win

[Anonymous No.19172583]

>>19172573
Don't pretend that the Academy isn't above awarding prizes to pulp trash - example 1 is obviously Bob Dylan.

[Anonymous No.19173797]

They should give it to a philosopher like Agamben or Zizek

[Anonymous No.19174015]

>>19157824
Hideo or Kojima