/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.19103529]

So since evola and guenon shilling steadily loses momentum on this site
and nick land and mark fisher posting is omnipresent:
Has Mencius Moldbug already been shilled extensively on this site or is his time yet to come? i can sense the hype coming

[Anonymous No.19103535]

>>19103529
Hasn't landposting died down? It feels like a dead meme now. The current trend is christian fanaticism but when the zoomers realize they actually have to practice they'll move on to something else. I think the unexplored meme ideology that's been having some occasional threads without ever really taking off is taoism, but it's probably too much of a pleb filter to really become big on /lit/

[Anonymous No.19103551]

>>19103535
alright but how come there is one million "you did read capitalist realism, didnt you?" threads in the archive but noone talks about curtis.

he is edgy, he is right wing and no one in the real world cares about him, he should be huge on here

[Anonymous No.19103553]

>guenon shilling

QRD? Is this like gardnerposting?

[Anonymous No.19103554]

>>19103529
Why does he always cry?

[Anonymous No.19103555]

>>19103551
I see Moldbug threads here occasionally. I don't think he was ever huge here but he's been posted regularly for some time.

[Anonymous No.19103572]

>>19103535
Land posting was only ever a meme.

[Anonymous No.19103579]

>>19103554
i dont know you tell me
maybe he has been through some stuff

>>19103555
never seen any

>>19103553
yup in fact its the same guy (male)

[Anonymous No.19103608]

moldbug posting peaked on /lit/ in like 2016, newfags

but the guy is a retarded STEMcel midwit and you are a buster if you take him seriously

>america is a communist country

bro shut the fuck up

[Anonymous No.19103613]

>>19103529
Yea -- two decades ago. Only Land posting in recent times

[Anonymous No.19103657]

>>19103529
He hasn't posted in a couple weeks. He's banging so many sluts right now

[Anonymous No.19103672]

Lit prefers to talk about people influenced by Moldbug rather than Moldbug himself.

[Anonymous No.19103677]

>>19103672
Who would that be? Fisher and Land?

[Anonymous No.19103678]

>>19103529
Curtis Yarvin has been talked about, both in the context of Urbit and the "Dark Enlightenment".

Urbit is interesting work that was almost marred by Yarvin's ideology, but Yarvin at the very least was cognizant enough of the impact that his edgy political literature was having on consideration of the computing ecosystem he was trying to build and gave the reigns over to the rest of the team. Now the Urbit personal OS ecosystem actually stands a slim chance at widespread adoption, so I can't hate him completely.

His political thought is trash though. Dark Enlightenment / Neo-Reaction is bunk the whole way down.

[Anonymous No.19103709]

ꜱoybug is boring and his meandering digressions are really irritating. proud thielbux recipient too which is cool and gives him mad credibility

[Anonymous No.19103731]

>>19103709
whats wrong with having a financier?

[Anonymous No.19103779]

>>19103529
>i can sense the hype coming
bro this isn't 2007 anymore

[Anonymous No.19103782]

>>19103677
it's the other way around

[Anonymous No.19103794]

>>19103731
holy shit if you have to have it explained to you, you don't belong here

[Anonymous No.19103831]

>>19103678
how do i get involved in Urbit without paying any money

[Anonymous No.19104016]

>>19103831
You can spin up a comet for free; this is a generated identity you wait a bit to churn out instead of paying to get one provisioned in orbit of a star like planets are. Check out https://urbit.org/getting-started for details on doing that.

[Anonymous No.19104040]

>>19103794
So you can't explain it. Nor can you verify it.

[Anonymous No.19104047]

thielbux is russiagate for chapotrannies

[Anonymous No.19104059]

>>19103529
>>19103535
Gnosticism, Philosophical Pessimism and Taoism are the underdogs right now. We will see what movement is catch on.

[Anonymous No.19104085]

>>19103535
yah, im predicting taoism or confucism being the next big memes. im am surprised though, with the catholic extremism, that chesterton did have a big run. my dark horse new meme will be the edwardian england pill, led by a resurgence in pg wodehouse.

[Anonymous No.19104090]

>>19104085
>that chesterton did NOT have a big run

[Anonymous No.19104092]

>>19104059
Also atheism and Nietzscheanism is finally making a huge comeback. Christians are trying really hard to fight back by creating millions threads.

[Anonymous No.19104096]

>>19104059
Gnosticism has had recurring threads for years and has never taken off despite the huge meme potential for some reason.
Philosophical pessimism could be a thing but we've been having Schopenhauer and Cioran threads for quite some time already.

[Anonymous No.19104107]

>>19104092
i have noticed a budding interest in the new-athiest movement of the 2000's. i'll back them for a resurgence only(3/1), i have no confidence in them becoming anything dominate(prob. 12/1)

[Anonymous No.19104111]

>>19104092
Atheism needs to renew itself if it hopes to make a genuine comeback. Nietzsche is timeless but can't carry a whole new trend by himself.

[Anonymous No.19104130]

>>19104085
Lit pseuds would be filtered too hard

[Anonymous No.19104151]

>>19104130
im sorry, filtered by whom? i listed several authors

[Anonymous No.19104154]

>>19103535
It's one guy. He's back and probably posted this thread

[Anonymous No.19104155]

Dark Enlightenment/NRx has been stale for years now. It gained some momentum, but by that point it was already dead becausemost authors have already abandoned it. Moldbug stopped blogging in, what, 2016? I know he wrote some articles and went on Tucker, but his main body of work is drifting into obscurity and there is no consistent new output.
>>19104092
This is very likely. A lot of rationalist types have been pushed out of their circle by SJWs, so a lot of them flocked to Christianity or paganism, but it’s about time they realized sun doesn’t shine brighter on the other side and religious view is incompatible with rational one. Although I guess the mysticists could push them out of /lit/ as well.

[Anonymous No.19104158]

>>19104155
>the mysticists could push them out of /lit/
Doubt it. Esotericism was very popular a few months ago with all the greenpill and occult stuff, but I barely see any threads on it nowadays. On the other hand I see threads about atheism that would've been spammed to oblivion a year ago and now get interesting replies.

[Anonymous No.19104161]

>>19104155
he's put out a ton of stuff on his substack on god how do you not know

[Anonymous No.19104164]

>>19104154
One guy for what?

[Anonymous No.19104170]

>>19104154
OP here, i have ony once created a land-thread
for i am not the accfag

[Anonymous No.19104181]

>>19104096
Gnosticism has taken off, but only with /x/-tier people.

[Anonymous No.19104186]

>>19104181
It remains a fringe minority on here, it's not a board-wide trend.

[Anonymous No.19104191]

>>19104164
accfag. He spams the Land, moldbug, Fisher, China and AI threads

[Anonymous No.19104193]

>>19104059
Philosophical Pessimism makes the ruling class go reeeeeeeeeeeeee
that's why you see the shift from manifestation to gritmaxxing

[Anonymous No.19104196]

>>19104191
I made a Land thread some time ago but I'm not the accfag. I was just curious about the CCRU since I've never looked into it. I don't think all Land threads are him.

[Anonymous No.19104197]

The Evolians are napping; please standby.

[Anonymous No.19104199]

>>19104085
stop posting at work Dave
your wife is getting fucked at home

[Anonymous No.19104212]

>>19104196
99%. You must be new.

[Anonymous No.19104215]

>>19104107
>>19104111
>>19104155
Emerging atheists need Sextus, Kant, Hume, Wittgenstein and Carnap. On consciousness naive realism can save the day.

Atheism will be cool once again.

[Anonymous No.19104228]

>>19104215
you have to go back

[Anonymous No.19104236]

>>19104215
I read Sextus not too long ago and his arguments were far from being the dogma-destroying irrefutable demonstration of skepticism I expected them to be.

[Anonymous No.19104243]

>>19104228
I have never been on Lesswrong. I know you're pointing towards them.

[Anonymous No.19104258]

>>19104236
If you want to checkout his true meme powers then read his books on Musicians and Logicians.

[Anonymous No.19104265]

>>19104258
Against the Mathematicians?

[Anonymous No.19104277]

>>19104265
Difference of titles I guess.

[Anonymous No.19104279]

>>19103529
>Moldbug
guy used to post here all the time

[Anonymous No.19104333]

>>19103535
>The current trend is christian fanaticism
Isn't this a trend in the west as a whole? It doesn't seem to be going away honestly

[Anonymous No.19104334]

>>19104279
yeaaaaaah, sure I did

[Anonymous No.19104341]

>>19103535
Quality landposting has died I still read Land thread from 18/19

[Anonymous No.19104348]

>>19104341
Got any good archive links?

[Anonymous No.19104351]

>>19104341
>Quality landposting
No such thing.

[Anonymous No.19104374]

>>19104334
memes aside i havent read much of moldbug but he gets mentioned a lot in frog circles i inhabit. any good article you reccomend

[Anonymous No.19104377]

>>19104374
no im pretty new to it also
but i started to watch/read this which was kind of interesting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6LUjUbikkk

[Anonymous No.19104383]

>>19104374
A Gentle Introduction to Unqualified Reservations, Chapter 1

[Anonymous No.19104384]

>>19104374
>frog circles
what

[Anonymous No.19104401]

>>19103551
His essays are deliberately written to be inaccessible to the common reader. I read a lot and there have been many times when i want to throw my tablet across the room trying to get through his strange jokes, but the perseverance pays off, i have personally taken a lot from his work.

His stuff specifically will never be mainstream, and it's intentional.

[Anonymous No.19104416]

>>19103555
His ideas are more imperative than the man. If it was the other way around, he could be easily discredited in the way the left normally does, shame.

[Anonymous No.19104504]

>>19104377
whats The Distributist like?

[Anonymous No.19104515]

>>19104401
Ok reddit

[Anonymous No.19104580]

>>19104384
nothing to worry about

>>19104383
thanks

[Anonymous No.19104585]

>>19104580
no, but for real now what are the frog circles

[Anonymous No.19104719]

if you see twitter nrx schizo types calling each other "friends", they are being being paid by thiel

[Anonymous No.19104729]

>>19104085
You're all way too pleb-y to become Confucian and Junzipilled

[Anonymous No.19105568]

>>19103608
seething leftoid

[Anonymous No.19105577]

Moldbug is an albino nigger

[Anonymous No.19105599]

patchwork is a nigger political system based on gangbangers and turf wars

[Anonymous No.19105603]

>>19105599
It's America's final form.

[Anonymous No.19105606]

he is banging e-girls now

[Anonymous No.19105609]

NRx is a nigger rapper name

[Anonymous No.19105652]

I literally don't use Twitter and I've been a Moldbugman for close to 10 years now

[Anonymous No.19106190]

does he still do the 'ask uncle moldbug' column?

[Anonymous No.19106267]

>>19106190
Bruh

[Anonymous No.19106363]

Moldbug has to have the worst prose of any political theorist ever, literally internet humour

[Anonymous No.19106385]

>>19103529
>So since evola and guenon shilling steadily loses momentum on this site
Trad-posting is eternal, this is the central /Trad/ hub on the whole English-language internet for people under 35
>>19106363
His writing on religion is mega-cringe too, although I still value him as a thinker

[Anonymous No.19106391]

>>19103529
>(((Curtis Yarvin)))
it's all so tiresome.

[Anonymous No.19106408]

>>19106385
>Trad-posting is eternal
It's a fad that started in 2014, and it will fade out when the new political/cultural flashpoint arrives

[Anonymous No.19106433]

>>19106385
>I value him as a thinker
Imagine wasting even an hour of your life reading this cretin

[Anonymous No.19106481]

Moldbug is a smug retard who postures as if he is a gigabrain autodidact who understands the breadth of human political philosophy.
I challenge anyone to pick a thinker that they are deeply familiar with, and search that person's name in Moldbug's collected works. What you will find is a half a dozen instances of Moldbug smugly mentioning the author in passing in some tangent, and each time dismissing them with some crude sub-wikipedia tier understanding of the author's thought. Dude is a total psued.

[Anonymous No.19106744]

>>19106190
I try not to judge people's private lives, but fucking hell Curtis. You were on TV with Tucker Carlson for an hour. Surely you can bang some decent looking republithot at least?

[Anonymous No.19106905]

>>19106744
Women are not a commodity, bro

imagine being an intellectual and growing old with a girl that doesnt appreciate your work but is good-looking

[Anonymous No.19106944]

>>19104585
>he doesn't know

[Anonymous No.19106990]

>>19104504
A fat boomer neckbeard.

[Anonymous No.19107011]

>>19106744
I think she's really cute. She seems stoked to have met him. Let people do their thing.

[Anonymous No.19107026]

>>19104504
A coward, which is reflected inhis outward form

[Anonymous No.19107134]

>>19106190
He's so cute. Moldbug is truly a nerd, awkward even in moments like this. I hope it works out for them, she seems very affectionate.

[Anonymous No.19107190]

>>19104504
Smart and affably guy. One of the only people you'll find on youtube or twitter who says anything interesting.

[Anonymous No.19107216]

>>19104504
a dork

[Anonymous No.19107232]

he´s lucky that most of his intellectual opponents have weak arguments, i mean, look at morons like Michael Anton (a republicanist), the sjws/liberals and even BAP have such weak arguments against his alternative, what a bunch of morons

[Anonymous No.19107255]

>>19106481
Moldbug/Yarvin is pretty is quite upfront that he was just some ancap that read Hoppe and a couple of anti-liberal polemics works, than start the whole NRx stuff.
Honestly, despite not liking him or NRx in general, he is far better than anyone else in the sphere.

[Anonymous No.19107307]

>>19107011
>Let people do their thing.
no. fuck you.

[Anonymous No.19107314]

>>19107255
I think people who just seem him as heavily Ancap-influenced miss the point a bit. He's equally influenced by the modern management paradigm which is itself influenced by Cybernetics and Systems Theory. It's harder to criticize that aspect of his thought because most of his serious critics are basic bitch lefty continentalists who don't even notice it.

[Anonymous No.19107321]

>>19107314
>He's equally influenced by the modern management paradigm which is itself influenced by Cybernetics and Systems Theory.

redpill me on this, also... what books should i read?

[Anonymous No.19107324]

>>19107232
I mean, his original argument against the neocons was that they're mostly retarded. There's a whole article about it on UR.

[Anonymous No.19107338]

oh god...i think maybe he is beginning his jordan peterson arc

[Anonymous No.19107342]

>>19107324
Moldbug is really weak when it comes to Geopolitics, imagine unironically saying that the US should just drop the hat of hegemon and let the world filled with a vacuum of power, this could unironically bite the US in the ass in the long term

i don´t like neocons either, it´s a bad idea of invading countries in name of Democracy/Liberalism, specially if said country is some eastern shithole (africa and asia)

[Anonymous No.19107345]

>>19106190
tragic
at least we'll get to see his downfall in real time
though i suppose he wouldn't be falling very far

[Anonymous No.19107348]

>>19106391
ahh
we've come full circle
yarvin is a jew now
the cycle is complete

[Anonymous No.19107362]

>>19107321
Pic related is a good modern text, written by a Computer Scientist and a Daoist Philosopher. If you want a good classical text read 'The Human Use of Human Beings' by Norbert Weiner. His original book on cybernetics is great too

[Anonymous No.19107379]

[Anonymous No.19107383]

>>19107342
Yeah I actually agree with you. Power is risk mitigation, you can't just drop it.

[Anonymous No.19107430]

>>19106190
unironically blessed image
top cute

[Anonymous No.19107461]

>>19106190
I went through her tweets and her podcast. It reminded me how intellectually vapid most women are.
But it's not even all genetically determined, a lot of it is a consequence of socializing/upbringing. Especially these middle class urbanite hipster roasties who become arthoe wine aunts with a podcast. In a different world, they could be charming people with a soul.

[Anonymous No.19107465]

>>19107362
how was Moldbug influenced by Norbert Weiner?

[Anonymous No.19107526]

>>19107465
Well he wasn't directly, but the current management paradigm is based partially on Weiner's work because of the several interdisciplinary conferences held in the later part of the last century. I just thought it'd be more fitting to present Weiner's work instead of a management textbook or some shit.

[Anonymous No.19107546]

>>19107526
interesting...

[Anonymous No.19107645]

>>19103608
There is nothing about Yarvin that says “midwit”. You could call him a jew, a grifter, ugly, or say his philosophy is hollow/unactionable, etc but the dude is pretty obviously in the 140+ IQ range.
Calling someone like that a midwit is something only an actual midwit would do.

[Anonymous No.19107649]

>>19103678
>Dark Enlightenment / Neo-Reaction is bunk the whole way down.
Not an argument.

[Anonymous No.19107665]

>>19103794
He was funded by thiel in the same way Jean Francois Gariepy was funded by Epstein. Richfags toss around tens of thousands of dollars to various start ups, researchers, writers, think tanks etc cause for them it’s chump change. They probably know next to nothing about 90% of the projects they fund and just have some lackey writing checks for $10,000 here, $45,000 there etc.
It’s the equivalent of saying the local homeless community is backed by me because I handed out some $5 bills a couple times to panhandlers.

[Anonymous No.19107673]

>>19104059
>Taoism
I think it’s disingenuous to talk about alien cultural traditions and try to adopt them as their own without any physical immersion in the societies built by those traditions.

[Anonymous No.19107678]

>>19104092
>atheism and Nietzscheanism
More likely you’ll see Neo-pagan LARPing and you’ll unironically start praying to Yahweh to smite these cringe faggots so you don’t have to see them sperg out in so many threads.

[Anonymous No.19107682]

>>19107665
JFG's book is fucking legit great IMO.

[Anonymous No.19107683]

>>19107665
it´s nothing controversial that Thiel likes to fund right wing figures, i don´t see how it clashes with moldbug´s integrity, c.a bond cuck

[Anonymous No.19107702]

>>19104155
>religious view is incompatible with rational one
What they’ve probably realized is that the rationalist project was mistaken and that the rational view cannot exist without addressing the religious one.
Atheism+ was the establishment of cult logic(or anti-logic) into what they thought was a pure rational movement. They have no tools to address the SJW types because they have neglected to address the metaphysical aspect of human cognition. They thought they could simply write it off and be done.
But Gods and Demons creep back in. Suddenly they find themselves creating sacred spaces, processing in unison, kneeling before idols, performing rituals, offering sacrifice, attacking heretics and apostates.

[Anonymous No.19107720]

>>19104377
I cannot stand Distributist’s overt neckbeardism

[Anonymous No.19107728]

>>19104504
Walk into your nearest board gaming store and check out the dudes playing Magic:The Gathering. That’s basically him.

[Anonymous No.19107729]

>>19107720
He gives me Sargon vibes. Let's hope Curtis knows how to pick his associates now that he's decided to become a public figure.

[Anonymous No.19107731]

>>19104719
How can I get paid by thiel(without sucking his cock)

[Anonymous No.19107741]

>>19107731
how youthful is your blood

[Anonymous No.19107747]

>>19106363
I like it

[Anonymous No.19107756]

>>19106481
Name one example. Actually name 5.

[Anonymous No.19107763]

>>19106744
Dude look at him.

[Anonymous No.19107771]

>>19107338
What as an e-grifter? He stated that months ago. The man has kids it’s time to cash out.

[Anonymous No.19107774]

>>19107342
>this could unironically bite the US in the ass in the long term
Literally how? If push came to shove we’d easily annex everything north to the Arctic circle and down to the South Pole and be completely fine. The Monroe doctrine was not a mistake.

[Anonymous No.19107788]

>>19107774
>we’d easily annex everything north to the Arctic circle

how naive

[Anonymous No.19107790]

>>19107383
We have nuclear warheads dude, a full continent, and a space program. You aren’t thinking about power in the right way.

[Anonymous No.19107798]

>>19107774
>and down to the South Pole

double naive

[Anonymous No.19107802]

>>19107683
>c.a bond cuck
Am I supposed to understand this reference?

[Anonymous No.19107809]

>>19103678
Based Martian chad

[Anonymous No.19107811]

>>19107790
None of that matters right now. The US needs to control the seas to maintain its hegemony. If that ends - it's over. Nobody even needs to invade really, there's nothing to be gained from that.

[Anonymous No.19107814]

>>19107798
norway you're out of your damn mind

[Anonymous No.19107827]

>>19107798
and what would those countries collectively do if the US told them to go fuck themselves?

[Anonymous No.19107828]

>>19107788
I said “to” the Arctic circle, as in Canada, not “the entire Arctic circle”. Typical /lit/wit can’t even read.

[Anonymous No.19107834]

>>19107790
nuclear proliferation would skyrocket if the US decides they don´t give a crap about the international arena, imagine shitholes like Turkey and Nigeria possesing nuclear weapons

[Anonymous No.19107835]

>>19107811
What’s over? The hegemony? That thing that’s been the millstone around our neck for the last 30 years?

[Anonymous No.19107844]

>>19107834
Would be very based and good for humanity. Non-proliferation is a satanic philosophy.

[Anonymous No.19107850]

>>19107827
make a coalition which could easily drag europe (including russia) into defending their claims, russia, uk, france has nuclear weapons mind you

[Anonymous No.19107852]

>>19107850
>has nuclear weapons mind you
which they won't use so again, what would they do exactly?

[Anonymous No.19107853]

>>19107835
It's not necessarily a millstone. It's a valid self-defense strategy. Otherwise you don't control your own shipping lanes for example. Not a great position to be in.

[Anonymous No.19107855]

>>19107844
>DUDE WOT IF NUCLEAR WAR WAS GOOD!!!!!

im talking to a retard here

[Anonymous No.19107857]

>>19104059
this

demiurge posting is already popping off on /x/. its interesting and eccentric enough to have meme potential while being dense enough for more genuine, practical discussion. if anything Gnosticism the natural progression of christian esoterica. even BAP mentioned it briefly in his meme book

taoism could get popular enough to create some engaging discussion for awhile. but in the end i think pessimism and nihilism will prevail. considering how it's currently prevailing in contemporary economics (lying flat movement etc.) i think an unexpected figure of all this will probably be Bataille. with him already having writings that at least graze all of these ideas. i think he has potential to be the next Nick Land

[Anonymous No.19107861]

>>19107852
they would use since the US has a navy advantage

[Anonymous No.19107864]

>>19107852
They'd just fight you conventionally. It's actually not that hard, the US spends so much on their military due to the fact that they have bases everywhere and need to maintain vast logistical networks. Military spending doesn't increase capabilities in a linear way.

[Anonymous No.19107865]

>>19107861
if you genuinely think that a military would employ a tactic which guarantees the destruction of their entire continent, then you have brain damage anon

[Anonymous No.19107872]

>>19107865
with no options the best way to win is dragging your opponent to the fire with you

but such scenario will not happen since your original question didn´t make sense to begin with, if the US retires from geopolitics, they wouldn´t want to claim the Artic to begin with

[Anonymous No.19107881]

>>19107864
>fight you conventionally
even combined, those forces would be facing the world's largest navy and first+second largest air force.
bit of a stretch.
>Military spending
though i certainly agree that a bloated military budget in no way scales linearly

[Anonymous No.19107888]

The worst threads on lit. Every time.

[Anonymous No.19107899]

>>19107857
>next Nick Land
Woah

[Anonymous No.19107901]

>>19107881
If you have a navy that size, you probably won't be able to leverage it because it has to perform other tasks, and if you could it wouldn't help because there's diminishing returns to numbers. The point of the US navy and airforce is not to Zerg-rush but to be able to hit any position in the world within a short time.

[Anonymous No.19108012]

>>19107899
who the fuck makes these what is this supposed to represent

[Anonymous No.19108034]

>>19107827
Refuse to cooperate for 20 years until the US runs out of money and support and just goes home, then carry on as normal

[Anonymous No.19108076]

>>19108012
It was an anon that posted his face earlier this year. They memed him, naturally.

[Anonymous No.19108145]

>>19107802
>Am I supposed to understand this reference?
It is some gay twitter drama.
The whole frog twitter scene is full of that kind of stuff, in fact, to the point that it resembles a bunch of teenager girls gossip circles, only somehow more pathetic because it is a bunch of fully grown men(children) doing that.

[Anonymous No.19108181]

>>19107855
Nuclear weapons are the greatest hope for peace in the history of mankind. It’s no coincidence that they have never been used after more than one country obtained them.

[Anonymous No.19108198]

>>19107872
It’s not a zero sum game moron.

[Anonymous No.19108206]

>>19108145
Such is the nature of Twitter. That platform only exists to obliterate brain cells and give people personality disorders

[Anonymous No.19108365]

>>19108198
it is if you can bully another great power with no limits

[Anonymous No.19108420]

>>19104059
Gnosticism and occultism are the final answers. We have ignored the fact that we are spiritual beings for too long and we are paying for it.

[Anonymous No.19108440]

>>19107811
>If that ends - it's over
Good. Let Israel get torn apart by dunecoons so that humanity can move on from this gay phase.

[Anonymous No.19108463]

>>19104155
>Dark Enlightenment/NRx has been stale for years now. It gained some momentum, but by that point it was already dead becausemost authors have already abandoned it.
I never paid attention to it but then I saw Daily Beast contributor James Poulos take the NRx pill and at that point you can pretty much declare it dead. Like you can't get more establishment conservative and boring than that. Snooze. I am the mindfreak.

[Anonymous No.19108605]

>>19103608
>purges McCarthy for getting too close to the truth in your path

[Anonymous No.19108632]

>>19104181
>Aeon Byte
I'm fairly sure this is the dude I was just listening to on youtube interviewing Jeffrey Kupperman, and HOLY FUCK you could not get anymore of a stereotype of a guy. I can't tell if he's self aware or not, the intro to his podcast sounded like the start of an episode of Garth Marenghi.

[Anonymous No.19108650]

>>19107645
except he gets very basic shit about marxism wrong constantly lol, even barring the quote i posted which was part hyperbole

[Anonymous No.19108665]

>>19104504
He sounds like a total emotional pussy who makes pained 3+ hour videos twisting himself in knots discussing the metaphysical implications of Vaush and breadtube.

[Anonymous No.19108670]

>>19103678
>Dark Enlightenment / Neo-Reaction is bunk the whole way down
t. butthurt Kantian

[Anonymous No.19108708]

>>19108650
He's never posted about Marxism AFAIK.

[Anonymous No.19108722]

I judge Moldbug detractors by the quality of their arguments against his work, and most people have none. There is also an inverse relationship between desire to critique him and the amount someone has read.

[Anonymous No.19108731]

>>19108722
>I judge Moldbug detractors by the quality of their arguments against his work, and most people have none.

this, i said this earlier >>19107232

basically he thinks his ideas are perfect because his opponents are morons who never read a book about political theory

[Anonymous No.19108738]

>>19108731
I like Anton because he's at least moving in the right direction of understanding that conservatism is a totally ineffectual sham.

[Anonymous No.19108757]

>>19108722
It doesn't matter because you shills have thielbucks to astroturf over any criticism.

[Anonymous No.19108833]

>>19108757
You don't have any criticism you seething C.A Bondcuck

[Anonymous No.19109283]

>>19107461
her favorite writer is houellebecq

[Anonymous No.19109336]

>>19107348
He is a jew, and his prescribed action against the Cathedral (strange that he doesn't call it the Synagogue) is to do nothing. Speaking of Thielbux, I find it funny how the last death rattle of all these fags when they're about to get shut down is "I saved thousands of young men from becoming wignats!"

[Anonymous No.19109398]

Lots of talking about a fucking liberal.

[Anonymous No.19109405]

>>19108833
Canadian bonds? Don't think theyll give me money anon. But pit in a word with thiel for me, i can write garbage too.

[Anonymous No.19109644]

>>19108650
The closest he gets to talking about Marxism is quoting Marx.

[Anonymous No.19109653]

>>19109336
This. All these cuckservatives coming out of the woodwork to backflip for Jews the last couple years

[Anonymous No.19109665]

>>19108738
Doesn't name the jew so hes a clear shill

[Anonymous No.19109676]

>>19109665
>doesn't firebomb his own optics
>therefore shill
This is why I left /pol/

[Anonymous No.19109687]

Moldbug as blogger is a very good neo-fascist propagandist, when it comes to rhetoric at least. But in terms of theory nothing of what he describes is new or even interesting.

Gramsci and Althusser especially describe what he as a brainlett defines as "left vs right". Gramsci was teh first to identify the importance of instutions as the creation of ideological formations. Althusser similarly conceives of ideology as an overarching cultural meme, but also as a force that creates our subjectivity as "citizens" in the political world.

Moldbug however is entirely pre-critical when it comes to political theory, its as if he stepped out of 19th century wig historians classroom. I get that this is his strategy and why he has an apeal to Anglo-Saxon pre-critical right-wing world, but for Continental Europe his ideas are as alien as Russian Cosmicism.

[Anonymous No.19109701]

>>19109687
You said almost nothing of substance with this post.

[Anonymous No.19109705]

>>19109701
but look at all the names and -isms he mentioned, he's clearly a "smart dude"

[Anonymous No.19109713]

>>19109705
Yeah this is a perennial problem with leftist theoryfags. Actual peer-reviewed articles are exactly like that too, just longer.

[Anonymous No.19109718]

>The Cathedral
where are all the Christians?

[Anonymous No.19109728]

>>19109718
He actually explains this on his original blog.

[Anonymous No.19109738]

>>19109701

My point is that his conception of the Cathedral is so wide it is nearly redudant. It just describes this particular concensus of post-WWII Anglo-America. While he is brave enough to just admit unlike other right-wing ideologues that it is just technocratic elites grabbing power through various ideological hegemonies, he refuses to beleive that right-vs left in the context of the present neoliberal consensus is virtually meaningless. He therefore results in advocating for straight up technocratic fascism. His own ideology is the dark mirror of present neoliberalism, but it really isn't opposed as a logic against it. Its just what silicon valley libs wish they could do if they had absolute power. This is why he is a fascist , he doesn't reject the current paradigm, just embraces a more extreme version of it, like Mussolini did in inter-war Italy.

[Anonymous No.19109741]

>>19109728
Which you've presumably read. Then why not explain?

[Anonymous No.19109743]

>>19109718
The Synagogue (of Satan)

[Anonymous No.19109755]

>>19109738
>the present neoliberal consensus
hmm yes very intelligent

[Anonymous No.19109759]

>>19109741
Modern humanism is a descendent of puritanism. That's basically it. It's also a reference to a software distribution philosophy, but that's not really relevant.

[Anonymous No.19109778]

>>19109738
It's actually pretty specific. He wrote a post explaining it on Substack which I recommend everyone ITT reads. It's relatively concise and gives you a good idea of how MB perceives political power.

https://graymirror.substack.com/p/a-brief-explanation-of-the-cathedral

[Anonymous No.19109786]

>>19109701
>the only post with actual conceivable arguments and specificity gets attacked
many such cases

[Anonymous No.19109788]

>>19103529
Moldbug is a useless hack with nothing to say, what a gatekeeping faggot. He's there to catch the ones that got away for Jordan Peterson.

[Anonymous No.19109792]

>>19109665
>he doesn't have an absolutely retard level sense of political strategy
>must be a clear shill

[Anonymous No.19109795]

>>19109336
Seething wignat angry at things he hasn't read.

[Anonymous No.19109797]

>>19109687
>Gramsci was teh first to identify the importance of instutions as the creation of ideological formations
You mean Pareto

[Anonymous No.19109802]

>>19109718
Christianity evolved into globohomoism so it could be more powerful

[Anonymous No.19109805]

>>19109738
>if I spew enough random buzzwords I will sound smart
Go read The Machiavellians, and then return to this discussion.

[Anonymous No.19109809]

>>19109788
He's not popular enough for that. Besides, they might both be gatekeepers, but that doesn't mean their analysis isn't correct.

[Anonymous No.19109821]

>>19109797
Well if you really go back, it's actually Plato. This compulsive projection of a hypothetical genealogy onto ideas is idiotic, but I suspect it's just a way to relate every good idea to Marxism.

[Anonymous No.19109826]

>>19109805

I have, and in fact Machiavelli was the very basis for Gramsci's political philosophy. Moldbug is just a right-winger who wishes he had as much nuance or reach as Gramsci has today.

[Anonymous No.19109830]

>>19109826
>who wishes
m8 he just wrote a bunch of shit in a blog more than a decade ago

[Anonymous No.19109915]

>>19106744
I'm not a fan of moldbug's gay nrx movement but she's cute as fuck what are you talking about nigga. She got nice tits as well on her twitter feed

[Anonymous No.19109928]

>>19109915
Big tiddy twitter gf is pretty good for a 50 year old nerd putting an ad up on his blog
Man shot his shot and it worked lol

[Anonymous No.19109931]

>>19109928
I'd be worried that she's going to have dirt on me if I was him. I guess he's decided to live out the rest of his life dangerously now that his wife is dead and the kids are out of the house.

[Anonymous No.19109938]

>>19107665
Nah, this is not true. Moldbug and Theil know each other intimately and have done so for at least a decade.
>In 2016, Yarvin privately asserted that he had been "coaching Thiel."
>>19107683
>c.a bond cuck
He's literally defending Moldbug you fucking autist, how does this make him like Bond lmfao

[Anonymous No.19109957]

Moldbug makes /lit/ seethe because he is what everyone here wants to be. He wrote in his first blog without ever expecting anything to come from it and it blew up to a level where at its peak it was more popular than SlateStarCodex, and that's in the early days of the internet. It was literally a case of being so good that the world can't ignore you.

[Anonymous No.19109990]

>>19109826
But Gramsci is just plagiarized Pareto fused with Marxism

[Anonymous No.19109994]

>>19109990
That's the point though. Just absorb everything into Marxism and then only reference Marxist or Marxism-adjacent thinkers. There's your cultural hegemony right there.

[Anonymous No.19109998]

>>19109826
I don't believe you have read that book. I don't believe you'd call people fascist for discussing the reality of wielding power if you had read that book or understood it.

[Anonymous No.19110213]

>>19107827
What's the US going to do about it? Menace them with their Snow Monster Truck that only moves backward?

[Anonymous No.19110220]

>>19109957
I wonder if that doesn't happen as much nowadays because of competition or people just expect to get impacted with video instead.

[Anonymous No.19110256]

>>19110220
I mean it didn't happen that much back then either. But yeah, 'proper' reading isn't a thing anymore and I doubt he'd be able to make his points as effectively through video. The average successful public intellectual these days is a YouTuber. Depressing but true.

[Anonymous No.19110300]

>>19110213
>Monster Truck that only moves backward
Great metaphor for the US itself

[Anonymous No.19110402]

>>19103535
>I wonder what the next Pokemon will be!
>>19104059
>These are some really underrated Pokemon! Let's se if they'll catch on!

this board is done for.

[Anonymous No.19110419]

>>19110402
Meh, this has always been a thing. Most people are interested in signaling, not actual understanding. There's probably less than 10 Anons who care about obtaining actual knowledge on this entire board.

[Anonymous No.19110450]

>>19109957
Cringe. Garbage writing and garbage ideas.
Only shills like him

[Anonymous No.19110480]

>>19110450
His original writing was indeed technically unimpressive - he made basically every error an amateur writer could possibly make. However, his core ideas were so insightful that they rendered the shitty presentation irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.19110544]

>>19109718
to be honest current sjw/liberal ideology came from puritanism

[Anonymous No.19110551]

>>19109718
What do you mean?

[Anonymous No.19110566]

>>19109718

[Anonymous No.19110584]

>>19109718
Kneel whiteboi

[Anonymous No.19110595]

>>19109718
>Our negro, who art in Heaven… George Floyd be thy name

[Anonymous No.19110609]

>>19103529
>some pointless grifter LARPing as a countercurrent to the dystopia of globalism
naw. too many muhintellectuals these days, not enough men of power

[Anonymous No.19111223]

>>19110402
With posters like you it's already dead.

[Anonymous No.19111336]

How do you explain the shift leftwards over time without Moldbug? The "overton window" seems to shift leftward and leftward with every passing year with occasional hiccups every once in a while

[Anonymous No.19111349]

>>19111336
Moldbug's project has been from the beginning about saving progressives from themselves

[Anonymous No.19111360]

>>19107901
The point of the US military post 1955 is to make certain people rich at the expense of the US taxpayer and to a lesser extent the members of NATO.

[Anonymous No.19111382]

>>19108650
Give 1(one) example

[Anonymous No.19111387]

>>19108731
>he thinks his ideas are perfect
Blatant strawman. I thought people said this board was smart. This is /pol/ tier discourse.

[Anonymous No.19111424]

>>19109336
Being a wignat is like dressing up in a wolf costume and killing a bunch of lambs just so the boy crying wolf can shoot you and stick your head on a spike(with a wolf mask on it) and then run for town mayor as the slayer of the dreaded wolf who has been plaguing the town for all of history.

[Anonymous No.19111434]

>>19111349
Moldbug's descriptions are what interests me and most other people. His prescriptions are usually not as good.

[Anonymous No.19111488]

>>19111424
Listening to this Jewish pseud is like being a faggot

[Anonymous No.19111542]

>>19103529
this guy is mega cringe and his live with T.C. proves it

[Anonymous No.19112017]

Nick Land is a fucking genius and whatever "accfag" has done to sour you all on him is a real shame. Nick Land is hilarious and so anti-communist he makes Hayek look like a DSA fag

[Anonymous No.19113116]

>>19111387
you can see how smug he was in the Niccolo Soldo´s interview, don´t deny that, moldbugfag

[Anonymous No.19113245]

Any of you guys read Nigel Carlsbad's blog and by extension Ludwig von Haller? I had never even heard of Haller before, I read the first couple volumes of his Restoration of Poltiical Science last spring after seeing him mentioned on the blog(the French translation Haller made himself) and it is basically the endpoint of all this Retvrn to Monarchy stuff, he fisks everyone from Hobbes to the French revolution and outlines an entire theory of natural rights from the ground up. Carlsbad wrote a big blog post about him recently which you can check out if you don't read French or German, the French version is available in pdf on Gallica, the files are huge though.

[Anonymous No.19113346]

Moldbug's prose is not fantastic. It's a bit tedious, at least for me.
>inb4 >prose >land
Land is fun. Moldbug is interesting but less fun.

>>19111434
>Moldbug's descriptions are what interests me and most other people. His prescriptions are usually not as good.
Could say this about almost all most Jewish writing.

[Anonymous No.19113368]

>>19104092
Atheism comes from kids raised by shitty Christian parents who either end up as obnoxious Christians or obnoxious atheists, depending on whether they have social skills or not. Kids raised secular will always see atheists as edgy spergs trying to push their personal family trauma on others. Plus Nietzsche didn't say god is dead, it was a character in a satirical book misunderstood by self-described atheist edgelords. Rising interest in Gnosticism due to more kids raised without religion and wondering what they could have missed is a live example of this in action.

[Anonymous No.19113380]

>>19113368
Atheism is a perfectly reasonable philosophical stance. I think it does make slightly less sense than reality being founded on a God like being but it's not like we actually know.

[Anonymous No.19113416]

>what's the next big thing
I told you tards to stop fucking around and read Nietzsche's Genealogy of Morals.
Put down the NRX and Dark Enlightenment shit and read the Original Gangster.

http://fs2.american.edu/dfagel/www/genealogy1.htm
http://fs2.american.edu/dfagel/www/GeneologyOfMorals.html

The links may be fucked, you may need to use google to navigate. Or not, could be fine.
But the translation is good.

>I'm depressed about /pol/tard christian-latino unironic republican retardation and leftist humanist anti-humanism retardation
good, read Nietzsche
>what's the next big thing/meme
Nietzsche. And then gnostic transhumanism but's it's all ironic until the 14 day limit on in vitro embryo growth is btfo'd.

[Anonymous No.19113459]

>>19113380
Does this assume religion encompasses and consumes philosophy? I suppose my point was that Nietzsche is not necessarily atheist and the adoption is and always has been a cringe fashion statement. ("i read disaffected russian intellectuals you wouldn't understand me") Religion and philosophy are different practices even if they influence each other. Granted, atheists would generally use philosophy to build their worldview, morality, etc.. But this is my problem with Atheism, isn't it either a given or irrelevant when discussing philosophy? Things other than religion can influence one's interpretation of ethics or ontology.

Idk what a reformation of atheism would be when it feels like a reactionary movement as opposed to reformation of Christianity, which seems like a feeling of missing out on something potentially valuable.

[Anonymous No.19113470]

>>19113346
Land has incredible prose, Cioran tier, you just need to be very high IQ to appreciate it

[Anonymous No.19113473]

>>19113459
I'm really not following your point, I was just saying atheism is a reasonable position. The existence of God is obviously both a religious and philosophical subject.

[Anonymous No.19113496]

>>19113473
Idk if you were the OP I replied to, but it was the "atheism and Nietzscheanism is finally making a huge comeback" statement that I disagree with, both in conflating Nietzsche and atheism and the statement itself.

Calling oneself and atheist or NRx often seems like a cheap way to exempt oneself from the discussion.

just wanted to test the flavor of neo'atheists' on this board since I don't fully understand it or come to lit often

[Anonymous No.19113537]

>>19113496
That wasn't me but I would agree that Nietzsche is atheist as are most Nietzscheans. I've noticed a handful of zoomer kids on right wing Twitter that are atheist and mock Christians but not much else apart from that. 4chan has always had people mocking "christcucks" from the right and leftists mock "tradcaths" and whatever.

[Anonymous No.19114195]

>that cringe post where he wanted to claimed that the dutch republic and their golden age was a myth

[Anonymous No.19114444]

oh no yarvinbros we got too cocky

[Anonymous No.19114629]

>>19114195
The Dutch are a myth. Gouda is a psy op

[Anonymous No.19114638]

>>19114444
tell her to post feet and then be quiet

[Anonymous No.19114670]

>>19104504
based

[Anonymous No.19114798]

>>19106190
Fucken hell didn't his wife just die?

[Anonymous No.19114823]

>>19103551
fyi he was on Tucker today within the last week or so.

[Anonymous No.19115030]

>>19114798
apparently his wife told him that he could start dating as soon as she died.

[Anonymous No.19115066]

>>19114798
>>19115030
and the kid needs a mom too

[Anonymous No.19116048]

>>19115066
His kids are getting old enough to not need one. Also he has apparently successfully prevented them from getting indoctrinated into the Globohomo which is impressive.

[Anonymous No.19116062]

>>19106190
>personal ads work
what did she mean by this

[Anonymous No.19116116]

>>19114444
Don't believe anything until it's been denied.

[Anonymous No.19116130]

>>19114444
phew, he dodged a bullet there

[Anonymous No.19116853]

bumping out of interest. just stared reading UR today.

[Anonymous No.19116870]

>>19114444
This whore almost made me feel bad for this pseud Jew

[Anonymous No.19117144]

am i the only one that gets a sense of gk chesterton in yarvin's writing?

[Anonymous No.19117683]

Anyone reading his new blog gray mirror? It feels like most of it is a repeat of stuff he's already written and I've only read "Open letter", "A gentle introduction" and the Carlyle posts. It must be even more repetitive if you have read most or all of UR. Is his paywalled stuff better?

[Anonymous No.19117929]

>>19117683
It is pretty repetitive, but it's also written way better. I just subscribed because I want a physical book.

[Anonymous No.19118468]

>>19117929
do you still get a signed copy if you subscribe now?

[Anonymous No.19118573]

>>19118468
Nope.