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First, his idea of the literal existence of a Hyperborean proto-religion in the past is absurd, and this is what Guenon builds most of his philosophy on. We should understand Tradition (capital T) as eternal unchanging principles that are embodied in religions/traditions (small letter) of different peoples - Numinous Sacred, holy fear and madness, structures of hierarchy and society (Dumezil, structuralism, language, archetypes), Gods as fathers of peoples and patrons of spheres of life etc. Also, his idea of counter-initiation can be viewed as an obvious trace or affect of Abrahamic dualism. It’s basically a figure of «Absolute Evil» and another name for the Antichrist. Or, from another point of view, the roots of this idea are a modernist echo in the works of Guenon, who was inclined to think not in plural, but in universal and sometimes even progressive categories. We need to understand the plurality of forms and experiences of the sacred; what is sacred and initiatic for one society might be strictly taboo for another one. Therefore it is impossible to speak about a universal formula of counter-initiation. Also, just look at his degenerate face. I ask myself - can a real intellectual have such a forehead? How much did his brain weigh?

>> No.19040544

Guenonbros???

>> No.19040558

Whenever someone starts speaking like you just did I immediately tune out

>> No.19040562
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Guenon is an awful meme and it's hilarious that all his idolizers here hate brown people too much to follow their master in relocating to the Islamic world, where, surely, they can continue their eclectic study of Neo-Vedanta and heterodox Islamic theology unmolested by wicked modernity.

>> No.19040571

>>19040562
>ancient indian caste is the equivalent to American economic hierarchy
Lol…. Just fricking lol

>> No.19040579

>>19040562
>why dont these people gain passports to modernized middle east and leave behind their entire families and social networks because someone they agree with did so
double LOL

>> No.19040585

>>19040562
>they refuse to leave everything and go to another country on a whim…. Surely they must hate “brown people”
and that’s the trifecta. The legendary triple LOL (that is, the legendary triple “laugh out loud” moment)

>> No.19040596

>>19040571
Oh sorry you're right if you like the elites you're imagining then they are based. If you don't like the hierarchy they've set up then they are cringe.
>>19040579
If you take your guenonist theology seriously you have to go get initiated. Sorry, it's true. Otherwise you are as bad as one of those moderns like Bergson.

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>>19040485
Press S to spit

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>>19040597
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>> No.19040605

>>19040558
Seconded, man

>> No.19040624

>>19040596
>>>19040571 (You) #
>Oh sorry you're right if you like the elites you're imagining then they are based. If you don't like the hierarchy they've set up then they are cringe.
>implying I approve of Indian hierarchy
>implying if I did, there would be no difference between me approving ancient birthright and religious hierarchy and hierarchy built on psychopathy and unsustainability and who came out on top on the flappy poop app wars of 2011
>>>19040579 (You) #
>If you take your guenonist theology seriously you have to go get initiated. Sorry, it's true. Otherwise you are as bad as one of those moderns like Bergson.
>you must agree with everything someone said to like them
L

>> No.19040641

>>19040624
The flappy poop app wars are the mahabarata of the 21st century. Apple must fight Google even though all the same people own both companies. It is willed by capital in its thousand-armed form of shareholders, consumers, and regulators.

>> No.19041107

>>19040602
So much cringe in a single image.

>> No.19041154

>>19040485
Traditionalism is just an attempt to seperate the White man from his racial and cultural roots. Notice how ALL the tradition of the West is rejected by Guenon, including the Greeks and the Church.

>> No.19041167

>>19040571
fuck me i dont care what happens in india but their caste system is a 100 times worse for those at the bottom.

>> No.19041221

>>19040485
What a terrible post.

>> No.19041670

>>19040485
>He doesn't know abouut Hyperborea
>>19040558
this

>> No.19041793

I won't take anything you say seriously because you actually got memed into reading him. That's the ultimate proof that are an imbecile.
Hate thread? I just don't care.

>> No.19042586

>>19040485

I fucking hate this long-faced emaciated primate looking ass garlic eater so fucking much (pbuh).

>> No.19042597

>>19040485
>his idea of the literal existence of a Hyperborean proto-religion in the past is absurd
no it isn't

>> No.19042770

I will give Guenon credit for making new-agey religious syncreticism sound intellectually profound

>> No.19042858

Komm Grüneburgpark dann werd ich dir Respekt für RG (pbuh) einprügeln

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>>19040485

>> No.19043476

>>19040485
guenon was a mediocre orientalist, a mediocre mathematician, and a mediocre schoolar of religions, his understanding of western philosophy was terrible, and his takes on eastern religion are full of bias and cheap atempts to fit really complex religions into his narrow and shallow "meta religion"
the fact that some people take him seriously is deeply sad
and on top of all that it's painfully borring to read,evola is just as bad but at least it's a fun ride

>> No.19043484

>>19040485
this dude believe in astrology, he's the grandfather of all the crystal witches from tiktok

>> No.19043486

>>19042597
Go to /x/. Ancient aliens shit isn't wanted here

>> No.19043516

>>19040602
pretty much this, guenon want's to do a critic of the modern world from a "traditional" perspective(which in reality it isn't all that traditional) but he didn't read hegel or nietzsche both of them did much better analisis and critics of modernity while at the same time destroyed the outdated and childish traditional paradigm
reading guenon is jut a waste of time, in regards to take a look to modernity he was jus't not up to the task

>> No.19043646

>>19042911
So no one hates Plato then.

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>>19043476
>guenon was a mediocre orientalist, a mediocre mathematician, and a mediocre scho-
He was proficient at Greek, Latin, English, Italian, German, Spanish, Sanskrit, Hebraic, Arabic and Chinese, was trained in mathematics and was extremely well-read in both eastern and western philosophy. Wolfgang Smith, who taught mathematics at UCLA and MIT, says that what Guénon writes about mathematics is correct and that he is justified in criticizing modern mathematics.
>Guénon was a stupid posing larpe-
He was initiated into both a Vietnamese Taoist Triad as well as the al-'Arabiyya Shadhiliyya Sufi order, furthermore in all his writings he stressed the need for personal and genuine participation in whatever Traditions one aspired to follow. His acquaintances both Egyptian and western observed that he scrupulously followed Islamic observances during his life in Egypt
>Guénon was a literal nobody, he was not influenti-
Among the many western philosophers, artists and authors who were influenced by him or who heaped praise on him include Carl Schmitt, Georges Bataille, Aleksander Dugin, Antonin Artaud, Olavo de Carvalho, André Breton, Mircea Eliade, Alain Danielou, Julius Evola, André Malraux, Albert Gleizes, René Daumal, Raymond Queneau, Paul Ackerman, Huston Smith, William Chittick, Steve Bannon, Harry Oldmeadow, James Cutsinger and Hossein Nasr. Furthermore as Nasr notes in his article 'The Influence of Rene Guenon in the Islamic World', Guénon is well-known and influential among the intelligentsia including traditional Islamic scholars in certain Islamic countries such in Turkey, Iran, Pakistan and Malaysia.
>Guénon just made a bunch of stupid and unjustified comparisons between religio-
To the contrary over the course of some twenty odd books he painstakingly and patiently elucidated the fundamental agreement between the metaphysics of Advaita Vedanta, Taoism, Sufism, Hermeticism and Christian esoterism, work that Coomaraswamy built on and further confirmed

>> No.19043706

>>19040597
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>> No.19043828

>>19043693
>fundamental agreement between the metaphysics of Advaita Vedanta, Taoism, Sufism, Hermeticism and Christian esoterism
Lol, only a secular modernist could say all the religions are the same—he doesn't believe in any!

>> No.19043870

>>19040485
We've moved off Guenon and embraced Serrano.

>> No.19044362

>>19040485
As soon as I read the title of the thread, "Guenon hate thread", I instantly knew you're some dimwit who got filtered hard.
>>19040558
>>19040605
>>19041670
Concur with you lads.

>> No.19044369

>>19041154
You didn't read him, wignat. Rene Guenon thought the Church was the West's best chance at returning to Tradition.

>> No.19044396

>>19043828
While Guenon believes that all religions come from the same primordial Tradition, not being able to separate this universalist belief from his stance and still come away with something useful even if you believe in the strict and total correctness of one religions shows that you're a dimwit incapable of discernment.