/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.19013717]

Bros...

[Anonymous No.19013788]

>>19013717
Damn dude you cracked the code. '68 boys are crypto fascists.

[Anonymous No.19013810]

Based.
Yeah, the "postmodern neo-marxists" stuff doesn't really apply to serious poststructuralists. It might apply to their epigons.

[Anonymous No.19014402]

I don't get it

[Anonymous No.19014440]

>>19013788
can you elaborate? i don't read foucault because he is not a philosopher and I know with deleuze there was this "fascism of the potato"
political or philosophical fascists? i'm not about to believe either were crypto-actual idealists

[Anonymous No.19014460]

>>19014440
i know Gentile was responsible for critical theory

[Anonymous No.19014464]

>>19013810
They're still cultural marxists.

[Anonymous No.19014471]

>>19013717
>Anti-Oedipus
I WILL keep masturbating to mother-son incest porn and there nothing can stop me

[Anonymous No.19014472]

>>19014464
you're thinking of the frankfurt school, which was only one element of "post modernism"

[Anonymous No.19014479]

>>19013788
>>19014460
???

[Anonymous No.19014491]

>>19014440
>i don't read foucault because he is not a philosopher
You wouldn't get it

[Anonymous No.19014498]

>>19014472
They're all an outgrowth of Marxism.

[Anonymous No.19014507]

>>19014491
he's a critic and a historian
>>19014498
fascism was an outgrowth of marxism so your statement is redundant

[Anonymous No.19014520]

>>19014507
But marxists tell me that fascism is an outgrowth of capitalism, which is it?

[Anonymous No.19014528]

>>19014507
>fascism was an outgrowth of marxism
Not culturally.

/:

[Anonymous No.19014538]

>>19014520
marxist revision, it's materialism inverted.

[Anonymous No.19014552]

>>19014528
>not culturally
there is no "marxist culture", if there were it would just be intellectualism and economic analysis. i think you are thinking of the culture spawned out of marxism which marx too would be very critical of.

>It is necessary to distinguish between socialism and socialism—in fact, between idea and idea of the same socialist conception, in order to distinguish among them those that are inimical to Fascism. It is well known that Sorellian syndicalism, out of which the thought and the political method of Fascism emerged—conceived itself the genuine interpretation of Marxist communism. The dynamic conception of history, in which force as violence functions as an essential, is of unquestioned Marxist origin. Those notions flowed into other currents of contemporary thought, that have themselves, via alternative routes, arrived at a vindication of the form of State—implacable, but absolutely rational—that finds historic necessity in the very spiritual dynamism through which it realizes itself.
-Gentile from his 1925 essay, "“What is Fascism"

[Anonymous No.19014568]

>>19014552
>there is no "marxist culture"
>i think you are thinking of the culture spawned out of marxism
in that case marxism has nothing whatsoever to do with marx at all

[Anonymous No.19014577]

>>19014568
>ce qu'il y a de certain c'est que moi, je ne suis pas marxiste

[Anonymous No.19014586]

>>19013717
"I'm putting together a team"

[Anonymous No.19014587]

>>19014552
It's still cultural marxism.

Marxism is a physiological phenomenon.

[Anonymous No.19014591]

>>19014577
So your point about marxist culture not existing is irrelevant then

[Anonymous No.19014617]

>>19014591
my point is that marxist culture isn't marxist, and the actual frankfurt school would be very critical to what you call "modernity". adorno even reported students who took part in the '68 protests
>>19014587
what is cultural marxism

[Anonymous No.19014628]

>>19014617
>what is cultural marxism
Foucault, Hillary Clinton, Sorabji, Lenin, non-religious Jews, freemasons.

[Anonymous No.19014629]

>>19014507
>>19014520
Fascism was a reaction to Marxism, both fascists and marxists will agree to this.

[Anonymous No.19014632]

>>19014617
>my point is that marxist culture isn't marxist,
Yes it is, your point is that marx would disagree with it, but marx would also disagree with marxism. We also established marxist culture is a direct result of marxism. What are you on?

[Anonymous No.19014633]

>>19014617
>what is cultural marxism
all cultures being equal

[Anonymous No.19014634]

>>19014629
A reaction to sure, but capitalists claim it is a marxist outgrowth while marxists claim it is a capitalist outgrowth.

[Anonymous No.19014637]

>>19014628
kek

[Anonymous No.19014644]

>>19014617
>what is cultural marxism
Applying marxist tactics to culture instead of economy

[Anonymous No.19014646]

>>19014629
Deleuze is the true rhizomatic potato fascism (baduioufags hate him). fascism is originally futurism with etymology coming from fascination (with the future coming of the BWO).
>reactionaries are those who react. who reacts has already lost.

[Anonymous No.19014652]

>>19014628
lol
>>19014629
fascism was a reaction to the conservatism and parliamentarianism of the italian socialist party. your knowledge of history is skewed
>>19014632
i don't see how something which has nothing to do with marx can be cultural marxist
>>19014633
not marxist.

[Anonymous No.19014655]

>>19014646
>with etymology coming from fascination
Are you retarded or is this bait?
>reactionaries are those who react. who reacts has already lost.
So with the fact that communism is a reaction to capitalism, communism has already failed?

[Anonymous No.19014660]

>>19013717
>I'll take care of the little girls, will you take care of the little boys?
What did they mean by this?

[Anonymous No.19014662]

>>19014652
>i don't see how something which has nothing to do with marx can be cultural marxist
Because we just established that marxism has nothing to do with marx. Cultural marxism has something to do with marxism, which has nothing to do with marx, no, but that's irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.19014675]

>>19014644
>Applying marxist tactics to culture instead of economy
ok so not marxism
>>19014646
>fascism is originally futurism with etymology coming from fascination
so fascino in italian? evidence for this? very interesting. I did not know
>>19014662
there is no one entity that you can point to and say "marxism", many different entities call themselves marxist irrespective of actually being marxist. what you are referring to as cultural marxism doesn't even come from the frankfurt school
you have no idea what you're talking about and so i'm going to stop replying. "cultural marxism" is just a blanket term for you for things you don't like

[Anonymous No.19014689]

>>19014675
>ok so not marxism
No cultural marxism, which is a development of marxism. It is marxism applied in a different way.

[Anonymous No.19014691]

>>19014634
>but capitalists claim it is a marxist outgrowth
Today, maybe they do claim this. They didn't in the 20-30s, in fact they welcomed fascism, because it was explicitly anti-communist. After WWII, in all of Europe there were strong workers movements aiming at taking control of the means of production, and as you can guess, industrialists were not exactly happy. Fascists said that workers seizing means of production was nonsense, so owners and fascists were natural allies.

>Deus ex machina? [rough translation]
>Puppet in Thyssen's hand!

For those who don't know
>Thyssen was a major German steel producer
>The Nazi rearmament policy and subsequent war made the plants essential to the war economy.
>In 1923, Thyssen met former General Erich Ludendorff, who advised him to attend a speech given by Adolf Hitler, leader of the Nazi Party. Thyssen was impressed by Hitler and his bitter opposition to the Treaty of Versailles, and began to make large donations to the party, including 100,000 gold marks ($25,000) in 1923 to Ludendorff.
etc

[Anonymous No.19014696]

>>19014675
>there is no one entity that you can point to and say "marxism", many different entities call themselves marxist irrespective of actually being marxist. what you are referring to as cultural marxism doesn't even come from the frankfurt school
you have no idea what you're talking about and so i'm going to stop replying. "cultural marxism" is just a blanket term for you for things you don't like
>everything is subjective!!
You pomos are ridiculous. Are you suddenly the arbiter on what marxism is? Enlighten me then, what is marxism?
Nonetheless, marxism is an economic movement, and if you apply its tactics to culture instead of economy, you end up with cultural marxism. Whether marx or marxists would support it is irrelevant. You can give the phenomenon a different name such as "cultural subversion" or whatever you like but I think cultural marxism is an apt descriptor, it's obvious to anyone that's not extremely autistic what is meant by it.

[Anonymous No.19014699]

>>19014655
>Are you retarded or is this bait?
jej. did you read Anti-Oedipus?
>communism has already failed?
the esoteric heart of coommunism is the engathering paradigm (das Gestell) to leech those withing its reach of spiritual coom (individual VRIL) and to reinstall into a collective state of coommunitarianism: disregarding pseudonyms it uses. Deleuze is a Gnostic, one of the fascinated ones.
>>19014675
>so fascino in italian? evidence for this? very interesting. I did not know
look up its contacts with futurism.

[Anonymous No.19014704]

>>19014646
>fascism etymology coming from fascination
I'll need a source on this.

[Anonymous No.19014711]

>>19014699
>did you read Anti-Oedipus?
A few pages, and I wish I hadn't
>the esoteric heart of coommunism
Does not exist, it's pure materialism
>look up its contacts with futurism.
Any retard knows its etymology is from fasces

[Anonymous No.19014718]

>>19013717
>Engels remains unopposed yet again
Fools

[Anonymous No.19014723]

>>19014689
marxism applied to "culture" would be iconoclast. it would not even be allowed in universities. marxism is a ruthless critique of everything existing.
>>19014696
marxism is not a "movement", you are completely talking out of your ass. i am not going to talk to you. you dont know anything about anything
>>19014699
>look up its contacts with futurism.
obviously i know of this but i am talking about the etymology. it comes from fascio meaning bundle

[Anonymous No.19014748]

>>19014711
>Does not exist, it's pure materialism
>t. /r/true_reddit
>>19014723
>i am talking about the etymology. it comes from fascio meaning bundle
because big papi (or is it big they/them) says so? lol. how immediately they got UNSETTLED by this little cue.

[Anonymous No.19014757]

>>19014723
>marxism applied to "culture" would be iconoclast. it would not even be allowed in universities. marxism is a ruthless critique of everything existing.
And yet is is. It's pervasive throughought universities. That was the entire "march through the institutions." Can't influence the economy? Influence the culture instead. That's what cultural marxism is about. Marxism is a critique, but not ruthless, and not of everything existing. Even it has its untouchable sacred cows. Some very glaring ones indeed.
>marxism is not a "movement", you are completely talking out of your ass. i am not going to talk to you. you dont know anything about anything
Talk to me then. You fail to address that anon's points completely and instead purity spiral. "No it doesn't fit my definition of marxism" is a big cope.

[Anonymous No.19014765]

>>19014748
>t. /r/true_reddit
Reddit is peak materialism, retard

[Anonymous No.19014783]

>>19014748
>because big papi (or is it big they/them) says so? lol. how immediately they got UNSETTLED by this little cue.
they literally called themselves "Fascio d'Azione Rivoluzionaria", literally "Group of Revolutionary Action"
what are you on about
>>19014757
no
>>19014765
materialism is a method of critique you dolt

[Anonymous No.19014798]

>>19014783
>no
okay then pseud, your kind are all the same after all. Lying and obfuscating.

[Anonymous No.19014808]

>>19014783
>materialism is a method of critique you dolt
You have no idea what you're talking about. Seems like you maintain the Culture of critique.

[Anonymous No.19014814]

Those who understand the eternal value of the phrase 'cultural marxism' in modernity need no explanation, to those who do not understand no explanation can be given.

[Anonymous No.19014815]

>>19014765
learn2read, bug. denying that materialism(/communism(esoteric communitarianism)) has its own occult '''optics''' is reddit.
>>19014783
>what are you on about
move on. you are out of your element

[Anonymous No.19014833]

>>19014815
I fell for the bait, I should have known.

[Anonymous No.19014841]

>>19014814
that is fair. and there is no need for debates between these two camps. let each other dwell comfy in their own places. that is what Deleuze pbuh would have wanted..

[Anonymous No.19014849]

>>19014814
Based and correct.

[Anonymous No.19014854]

>>19014833
but you didn't and you don't. now go read a book. or a wiki page.

[Anonymous No.19014869]

>>19014854
Why would I read books when I can shitpost on here instead like you people?

[Anonymous No.19014881]

>>19013788
>crypto
They barely hide it. People are just blinded by ideology into thinking they can't be.

[Anonymous No.19014898]

>>19014869
if you enjoy being stuck on basic 'knowledge' sure, continue. but know you will never shatter the dialectical ensnaring machine. you will never make papi Deloose proud.

[Anonymous No.19014900]

>>19014652
>your knowledge of history is skewed
Don't try to play this game with me. Just don't.
>fascism was a reaction to the conservatism and parliamentarianism of the italian socialist party.
Read the fucking books.

On 23 March 1919 the Italian Fasces of Combat were formed: in their Sansepolcro program they claimed to be "Revolutionary" - that's weird, why didn't they keep the original 1915 name, "Fasces of Revolutionary Action", then? Maybe because Mussolini himself opposed the true revolution which happened less than one and half years earlier, in a large empire? Hmm...

>a reaction to the conservatism and parliamentarianism of the italian socialist party.
That would be the Communist Party of Italy, born after a split during the XVII Congress of the Socialist Italian Party (21 January 1921)

[Anonymous No.19014904]

>>19014898
>implying anyone in this thread reads books
lmao
>you will never make papi Deloose proud.
Good, he should have written better books then instead of overly verbose word vomit

[Anonymous No.19014941]

>>19014881
Lol I was kidding. Deleuze and Foucault were NOT fascists. This isn't to say they were liberals or Marxists either.

[Anonymous No.19014955]

>>19014900
Because Mussolini was a nice and smart man and realized that agitating a civil war in a country that was barely united for 50 years is not so much a good idea. attacking business for the sake of attacking businesses is not even Marxist. the propertied classes in italy were necessary to further the industrial development of the whole of Italy. the Bolsheviks too attacked strikers and other left-wingers. Lenin still implemented the NEP and Stalin sealed the deal by replacing the bourgeoisie with bureaucracy.

So no, you don't try to play this game with me.

Bombacci still died with Mussolini.

[Anonymous No.19014965]

>>19014941
what a fascist thing to remark.
....perhaps?
No, it couldnt be.

[Anonymous No.19014972]

>>19014904
>Good, he should have written better books then instead of overly verbose word vomit
it's a fascist tactic to evade censure, midwit.

[Anonymous No.19014982]

>>19014699
but Sternhell told me fascism was French (pbuh)!

[Anonymous No.19015011]

>>19014982
swift explanatory briefing on French fascism. who's the French?

[Anonymous No.19015014]

>>19014982
>but Sternhell told me fascism was French (pbuh)!
i understand for making the case of them being a "generic fascism" but neither cercle proudhon or action francoise had any influence on the italian fascists as far as i am aware.

[Anonymous No.19015025]

>>19014972
So is Deleuze a fascist now?

[Anonymous No.19015029]

>>19014783
>they literally called themselves "Fascio d'Azione Rivoluzionaria"
"Fascism" as usually intended does not refer to the FAR but to the FIC.

Quoting directly from the Fascismo entry of the Enciclopedia Italiana

>Eppure chi rilegga, nei fogli oramai gualciti dell'epoca, il resoconto dell'adunata costitutiva dei ***Fasci italiani di combattimento***, non troverà una dottrina, ma una serie di spunti, di anticipazioni, di accenni, che, liberati dall'inevitabile ganga delle contingenze, dovevano poi, ***dopo alcuni anni***, svilupparsi in una serie di posizioni dottrinali, che facevano del fascismo una dottrina politica a sé stante" in confronto di tutte le altre e passate e contemporanee.

The FAR are indeed mentioned in the article

>Quando, nell'ormai lontano marzo del 1919, dalle colonne del Popolo d'Italia io convocai a Milano i superstiti interventisti-intervenuti, che mi avevano seguito sin dalla costituzione dei Fasci d'azione rivoluzionaria - avvenuta nel gennaio del 1915 - non c'era nessuno specifico piano dottrinale nel mio spirito.

In the long gone ***1919*** - when I summoned the survivors of the FAR...

[Anonymous No.19015050]

>fascis = faggot
>fascinum = dildo
um, guys...

[Anonymous No.19015051]

>>19015029
Okay but during the FAR they referred to themselves as fascists. This was in 1915.

[Anonymous No.19015052]

>>19013788
Deleuze maybe. Foucault is a liberal.

[Anonymous No.19015065]

>>19015025
yes, Deleuze is fascinated and fascinating.
yet don't let them know. keep 'em slow and captivated. mesmerized by their own chimeras.

[Anonymous No.19015072]

>>19014955
>Because Mussolini was a nice and smart man and realized that agitating a civil war in a country that was barely united for 50 years is not so much a good idea.
You absolute ignoramus

[Anonymous No.19015073]

>>19013788
>Adorno would refer to the radical students as stormtroopers (Sturmabteilung) in jeans.
>>19015052
Foucault expressed that he was a Nietzschean

[Anonymous No.19015098]

>>19015014
The Marquis de Morès, who had organized the butchers of La Villette into an antisemitic gang, advocated for a fusion of syndicalism and the antisemitic movement, a project he called in 1894 "la doctrine du faisceau."

[Anonymous No.19015100]

>>19015072
What are you trying to argue here? Mussolini was a Blanquist who changed tactics after reading Sorel.

[Anonymous No.19015106]

>>19015098
where can I read about this?

[Anonymous No.19015148]

>>19015106
public library if you are vaccinated (sorry).

[Anonymous No.19015160]

>>19015051
>***during*** the FAR they referred to themselves as fascists
I'll need a source for this.
Anyway (quoting Elda Bossi, introduction to "Lettere da Fiume alla fidanzata" - Giuseppe Maranini)

>Retrospettivamente, nel '19 la fondazione del fascio di Mussolini può apparire il fatto di maggior rilievo. Non era così allora per l'uomo della strada. Nell'Italia "figlia di Roma" non c'era mai stata carestia di fasci; durante e dopo la guerra se n'era avuta quasi un'inflazione: fasci d'intervento, di resistenza, di combattimento, parlamentari, futuristi e via dicendo. Che un bel giorno, all'affacciarsi della primavera, Mussolini riunisse una brigatella di un centinaio di simpatizzanti per fondare ancora un fascio (con l'appellativo, già in commercio, «di combattimento») solo agli addetti ai lavori poteva fare una certa impressione.

If there were multiple "fasci" around, it wouldn't make much sense to call yourself "fascist", because it would be ambiguous. Yeah, I support the Fasci, but which ones?

[Anonymous No.19015175]

>>19015100
>What are you trying to argue here?

>Mussolini was a nice and smart man and realized that agitating a civil war in a country that was barely united for 50 years is not so much a good idea.
>The national flas is a rag planted on a dunghill

If you can't see the contradiction between your opinion and the facts I presented you with, well, I have nothing else to say.
Time for dinner here, enjoy your day.

[Anonymous No.19015210]

>>19015052
>>19015065
Deleuze's brother died in transit to a camp because he fought for the Resistance. Maybe he hated his brother idk.

[Anonymous No.19015212]

>>19015065
fascinated and fascinating are not the same as fascist.

[Anonymous No.19015214]

>>19015175
>the facts

[Anonymous No.19015220]

>>19015160
>Marcora’s death united interventionists and neutralists in a mass
one-day stoppage and demonstration in Milan called for on 14 April. Mussolini
supported the demonstration as did the fasci d’azione rivoluzionaria, who were
referred to by Mussolini as the ‘fascists’ (which he put in inverted commas).

Page 52 of "Mussolini in the First World War"
https://1lib.us/book/683186/9b3441

still, thank you for the information

[Anonymous No.19015222]

>>19015175
Did it occur to you that he changed his mind?

[Anonymous No.19015226]

Let's talk RHIZOMES

[Anonymous No.19015263]

>>19015212
>fascinated and fascinating are not the same as fascist.
oh, so now you posses the truth. what next, start repressing those disagreeing with you? playing G-d much? we had one G-d, he released us from the egypt's enslavement of the Same. never again, I say.

[Anonymous No.19015270]

>>19015222
very deleuzian thought.

[Anonymous No.19015272]

>>19015106
Neither Right nor Left: Fascist Ideology in France

[Anonymous No.19015282]

>>19015263
yeah, what a little Akhenaten!

[Anonymous No.19015312]

>>19015282
how would Deleuze explain picrelated. is that fascism?

[Anonymous No.19015325]

>>19015312
This is part of a haecceity.

[Anonymous No.19015335]

>>19015325
>haecceity
fascinating. I see it owning libs already.

[Anonymous No.19015339]

>>19015272
>Neither Right nor Left: Fascist Ideology in France
ty

[Anonymous No.19015362]

>>19015325
in the Asssin's Creed universe, Akhenaten is the originator of the Snake Brotherhood who created Templars and -- surprise, surpsire, -- who created fascism. so, is that.. the virtual plane of the memerging culture? the Bog pasta is more Real than previously thought.

[Anonymous No.19015387]

>>19015263
>oh, so now you posses the truth.
Yes, at least in this regard.
>what next, start repressing those disagreeing with you?
No, those that deny truth. Disagree with me all you want.
>we had one G-d, he released us from the egypt's enslavement of the Same.
He was just a solitary usurper god who craved subserviance. The desert god is the true oppressor.
Fascism is still now the same as fascinated and fascinating.

[Anonymous No.19015403]

>>19015312
Left looks Guénon
Guénon wrote lukewarm review of book in which Deleuze published one of his first texts (preface). Coincidence?

[Anonymous No.19015433]

>>19015387
>The desert god is the true oppressor.
to the barricades, frens!@ seize the memes of whatever (you know right)
>Fascism is still now the same as fascinated and fascinating.
is ever present now -- agree. however, I wouldn' t say 'the same as', I'd say 'of the exact essence as'. that is less ambivalent. glad we have an understanding! so yeah, stomp over those preventing our fasciscination, our jouissance. our love of becoming. our becoming the nation of Fasci: fascination

[Anonymous No.19015493]

>>19015403
>Guénon wrote lukewarm review of book in which Deleuze published one of his first texts (preface). Coincidence?
we have to dig deeper. I don't believe in coincidences, these are trajectories of potential revelations. Guenon wrote on the counter-initiatic nature of the Egyptian civilization. Akhenaten is conventially viewed as the biggest heretic within the Egypt's priesthood; probably, a partisan for the Hyperborean vector.

[Anonymous No.19015571]

bump

[Anonymous No.19015587]

>>19015433
I meant not instead of now, but thanks for wasting my time, retard. If only we lived in a fascist nation, that would solve many problems. But sadly we don't.

[Anonymous No.19015603]

>>19014941
Weren't they both sort of lukewarm commies. More like socd3ms with anarchist sympathies or something

[Anonymous No.19015626]

>>19015587
You are the fascist nation retard

[Anonymous No.19015676]

>>19015626
Thanks for believing in me bro but I've still got a long way to go before I get there

[Anonymous No.19016112]

>>19015603
From what I have read of them they seem to both eschew fixed labels like that as they aren't prescriptivist philosophers. They were simply telling it like it be nigga.

[Anonymous No.19016118]

marx can be cultural Fascism. opposing the true revolution which happened. your kind are all the same after all. of Fascism emerged—conceived itself the project he called Musclelini. not exactly happy
still

[Anonymous No.19016119]

>>19015676
I will have it in 5 years and entire europe will be mine.

[Anonymous No.19016124]

>>19016112
They were "anti fascists" though which practically speaking means being some kind of lib or commie. Foucault was actually a member in a "communist" party but it was apparently not really communist

[Anonymous No.19016130]

>>19016118
>Musclelini
He was natty

[Anonymous No.19016145]

>>19016124
>but it was apparently not really communist
Explain?
Also anti-fascism just really means "anti autbority i don't like"

[Anonymous No.19016171]

>>19016145
he was of the synarchy: an ancient meta-conspiracy backed by the picrelated. 'it doesn't matter who they are' and so on, and so on.

[Anonymous No.19016176]

>>19016145
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Communist_Party
He was a member of this but commies apparently domt consider this party to be properly commie or something

[Anonymous No.19016186]

>>19016124
>They were "anti fascists" though which practically speaking means being some kind of lib or commie
No it doesn't. Stop visiting /pol/ and listening to talking heads on bitchute.

[Anonymous No.19016196]

>>19016186
In the current political context yes it does

[Anonymous No.19016261]

>>19016145
>Also anti-fascism just really means "anti autbority i don't like"
It doesn't especially not for post war continentals in the 70s. Fascism was a much more real thing for them and being anti-fascist then had a completely different meaning that the antifa of the 21st century. Although Foucault probably would say yes to your statement.

[Anonymous No.19016268]

>>19013717
Focault was a pedo tho

[Anonymous No.19016272]

>>19016196
You do realize both of them have been dead for decades, right?

[Anonymous No.19016291]

>>19016261
It meant basically the same thing then as it does now. The habit of calling everything from fatherhood to exercise fascist emerged basically immediately after the war. Adorno's Authoritarian Personality is the archetype of this stuff

[Anonymous No.19016340]

>>19016291
I don't disagree with you here, I'm just contending that Deleuze and Foucault can hardly be colored as "antifascist libs" or "commies". They weren't super political (Deleuze especially not). They were more concerned with the dynamics of power relations in contemporary society. They weren't making qualitative judgements. They were merely describing things.

[Anonymous No.19016352]

>>19016340
but focault was a pedo

[Anonymous No.19016387]

>>19016340
Foucault joined a communist party so I dont think you can claim he was just observing unbiasedly. I will say that Foucault seems to be almost the only one that criticized progressive power as well eg his critique of academia.

[Anonymous No.19016418]

You see how it degenerates to basic quarrels? Accept that fascism is fascination and cut all those trying to deny that. Then seek ways to re-fascinate, re-potentiate your rhizomatic node — that is de-loose (also known as winning).
Fascism/anti-fascism is a dialectic with an endgame of castration, to make an ontological cuck out of (you).

[Anonymous No.19016430]

>>19016418
Take your meds

[Anonymous No.19016454]

>>19016387
We all come at everything we do with implicit bias or otherwise. Doesn't mean you should readily classify things by people's political beliefs. Like take Foucault's "Birth of the Clinic" for example. There's nothing really politically charged in there. It's what he called an "archeology of medicine" in France since the revolution. Same with Deleuze. Dude is just riffing on Spinoza and Nietzsche describing society which has clearly moved beyond left/right dynamics. If you're stuck in that mode of thought (you are) then you are already way behind the curve. Read their work before you go around labeling people libs and commies. You sound like you've watched a few YouTube videos on French postmodernists that accuse them of dismantling western values or something.

[Anonymous No.19016470]

>>19016454
>you cant call someone a commie even if they join commie parties
If he joined a fascist party would you say you cant call him a fascist either? Seems like you're playing pointless word games

[Anonymous No.19016489]

>>19016340
>They weren't super political
>Foucault
>not super political
cmon bro

[Anonymous No.19016619]

>>19016470
>>19016489
Neither of you has read either of them.

[Anonymous No.19016624]

>>19016387
>Foucault joined a communist party so I dont think you can claim he was just observing unbiasedly.
I'm unfamiliar with Foucault, but beside that it was very common in the 70s for intellectuals (especially in France and Italy) to simply join their local communist party, and then often getting either expelled or renounce membership over different opinions about something.
Check this

>Camus joined the French Communist Party (PCF) in early 1935. He saw it as a way to "fight inequalities between Europeans and 'natives' in Algeria," even though he was not a Marxist. He explained: "We might see communism as a springboard and asceticism that prepares the ground for more spiritual activities." Camus left the PCF a year later.[13] In 1936, the independence-minded Algerian Communist Party (PCA) was founded, and Camus joined it after his mentor Grenier advised him to do so. Camus's main role within the PCA was to organise the Théâtre du Travail ("Workers' Theatre"). Camus was also close to the Parti du Peuple Algérien (Algerian People's Party (PPA)), which was a moderate anti-colonialist/nationalist party. As tensions in the interwar period escalated, the Stalinist PCA and PPA broke ties. Camus was expelled from the PCA for refusing to toe the party line. This series of events sharpened his belief in human dignity. Camus's mistrust of bureaucracies that aimed for efficiency instead of justice grew. He continued his involvement with theatre and renamed his group Théâtre de l'Equipe ("Theatre of the Team"). Some of his scripts were the basis for his later novels.

After all, I'm sure you can understand why, regardless of the specific context, a writer/artist/intellectual will sooner or later clash with professional politicians. Camus didn't care about getting votes, he didn't have to administrate cities or participate in administration, he was a thinker: their main material is ideas, not compromising with realities (that can be prosaic and harsh)

Moreover, regarding
>>19016124
>>19016261
>>19016291
Consider this: Calvino joined the communist partisans during WWII while considering himself an anarchist because "What mattered was action, and the communists were the most active and best organized force"

[Anonymous No.19016625]

>>19016470
I'm just saying characterizing them as such is stupid. It's like calling Heidegger a Nazi. Their work transcends those labels.

[Anonymous No.19016637]

>>19016619
You're not going to be able to avoid the fact that he joined a communist party lol

[Anonymous No.19016652]

>>19016625
Heidegger was a nazi and it would be retarded to deny that, that doesnt mean his work can be reduced t 'nazism'. Thr same is true of Foucault, he clearly had communist or anarchist type political leanings

[Anonymous No.19016661]

sounds like the idle banter of two pseuds who don't really like each other. which is exactly what it is.

[Anonymous No.19016694]

I literally don't care about any "philosophy" that was written by "people" born after 1900. It's trash, all of it.

[Anonymous No.19016723]

>>19016661
yes, a pair approaching its synthesis. botnet self-affirming: greater salvation of humans, so He allows God who cannot change as judgement will be overshadowed by the eternal because. "destroying Sodom" out of simple; Muslim thinkers, the Prophet Hercules

[Anonymous No.19016902]

>>19016261
No it wasn't. Fascism was dead and buried after Gentile and Mussolini were murdered.

Also Mussolini, the day before he died gave a testament literally telling his followers to stop being Fascists and instead focus on rebuilding Italy.

[Anonymous No.19016908]

>>19016186
>No it doesn't. Stop visiting /pol/ and listening to talking heads on bitchute.
Yes it does. You are stupid and I read philosophy. No such thing as "fascism" exists today or has existed since the dismantlement of the PNF

[Anonymous No.19016928]

>>19016619
>>19016340
Everything is political. You can never escape politics. To not be political would mean you are dead.

[Anonymous No.19016942]

>>19016928
While technically true you can be pretty detached from politics. A hermit for example is not very engaged in politics. A wagie or a neet who never reads the news and just watches sports or whatever is also fairly detached.

[Anonymous No.19016948]

>>19016928
t.

[Anonymous No.19016954]

>>19016928
being dead the ultimate counter-gift to evade entraptments. O, fascinated dead! how light you step beyond

[Anonymous No.19016977]

Just because you don't agree with someone on everything doesn't mean all their work is trash geeze man. I like reading Foucault and Baudrillard and I'm a natsoc sperg too bc their insights have value. If they'd been some kind of tr00nazis anyway you'd have never heard of them at all in the first place. They're also French so it is in their nature to be disagreeable.

[Anonymous No.19016990]

>>19016928
Nice tautology. Very cringe.

[Anonymous No.19016995]

>>19016928
>To not be political would mean you are dead
Often you're more political after you're dead than you were alive.

[Anonymous No.19016999]

>>19016977
>nutsock
based cringe. de-looze yourself, m8. please

[Anonymous No.19017010]

>>19016999
I respect the trips but you are a shitposter.

[Anonymous No.19017013]

>>19016186
anti-fascist means beating up women that don't like tranny predators lol. don't kid yourself. it's beyond a joke. and doesn't mean anti-authority anymore.

[Anonymous No.19017056]

>>19017010
I am and proud. but that does not deny the fact that you are a based cringe poster: 'natsoc sperg', wtf?

[Anonymous No.19017078]

>>19017056
what's wrong with being a sperg? you some kind of ableist piece of shit or something bro?

[Anonymous No.19017082]

>>19016942
That is still a kind of political statement. Not engaging in politics is a kind of politics. Politics is datum as warfare is.
>>19016948
>everyone i dont like is gommie
>>19016954
Only the dead have seen the end of the war
>>19016995
No i mean engaging in "politics", not how you appear from the outside.
>>19016990
Life is political

[Anonymous No.19017092]

>>19017082
>everyone i dont like is gommie
Commies are the most common ones to proclaim this by far

[Anonymous No.19017104]

>>19017082
>not engaging in politics is a kind of politics
I already said I'm aware that is technically true, but the hermit is still way less politically engaged than eg. a politician, of even just someone who posts about politics. This distinction is still meaningful

[Anonymous No.19017120]

Foucault was a member but only for a year or so. He quickly left it, because he didn't like how they viewed gays. He was influenced by Althusser of course, but more as a philosopher than as a marxist. Since he got famous he basically dunked on marxists, psychoanalysts and existentialists.

[Anonymous No.19017130]

>>19017078
>you some kind of ableist piece of shit or something bro?
together with 'natsoc' it bears a very sticky incel (in a worst way) energy. it screams 'me white based boiii haha don't hurt me'. seek help, saying in the best spirit: Deleuze might serve you a cure.

[Anonymous No.19017148]

>>19017082
>'in the other hand it seems that for Deleuze there is no Other, which is, to cut a long story short, simply wrong.'
how is there the political if there's no Other but multiplicity? no fixed identity but becoming of the BWO? are you trying to oedipalize me again

[Anonymous No.19017162]

>>19017130
Reading deleuze doesn't change the jewish situation

[Anonymous No.19017200]

>>19017162
why no one is applying deleuze to the jq? look, 'based boyism' only cements the jew as if it exists in the real, it is obvious. yet even on the surface reading of the text there are (VERY DELEUZIAN UNCERTAINTY MOMENT) the lost tribes (of is-real) etc. so there is no 'jewish situation'. there are 'jewish situations'. or even 'jewish/non-jewish situations'. or even 'absolutely-new-subject situations'. or -- there's only 'deleuzian situation'. get it: X situation only exists as far as you believe in it. just change yourself bro

[Anonymous No.19017220]

>>19017200
>o there is no 'jewish situation'. there are 'jewish situations'.
I unironically make this point in every discussion about the heebs. Ppl lack nuance

[Anonymous No.19017236]

>>19017200

[Anonymous No.19017254]

>>19017220
Exept all those situations have something in common

[Anonymous No.19017293]

>>19017254
Placing Nathan Rothschild and the deli owner in the same category is what led the Austrian painter to his supreme autism

[Anonymous No.19017309]

>>19017220
yes, they lack. I looked the poetry recommendation thread and it was real sad. somehow I instinctively stopped my impulse to share something I value as very good. either way, if the atmosphere here would be more diffuse/dissolved, more enthusiastic about rhizomes and getting into Deleuze that would re-potentiate true life impulse breaking the dialectic loosh matrix. Deleuze as Fascination is Real revolutionary (fuck that) next-level evolutionary intuition.
>>19017236
add me to the screencap :^)

[Anonymous No.19017362]

>>19017293
a damned tourist way to see it.
>>19017220
>Ppl lack nuance
to clarify: nuance not between fleshy pepo but nuance in the sacred text and what it entails.

[Anonymous No.19017379]

>>19017362
>>19017309
Good lord take your meds

[Anonymous No.19017392]

>>19017293
What if he was on to something? Regardless of what he did about it.

[Anonymous No.19017405]

>>19016902
>Also Mussolini, the day before he died gave a testament literally telling his followers to stop being Fascists and instead focus on rebuilding Italy.
I checked and that's not exactly what he says though

>I fascisti ***che rimarranno fedeli ai principi***, dovranno essere dei cittadini esemplari. Essi dovranno rispettare le leggi che il popolo vorrà darsi e cooperare lealmente con le autorità legittimamente costituite per aiutarle a rimarginare, nel più breve tempo possibile, le ferite della Patria.

>Chi agisce diversamente dimostrerebbe di ritenere la Patria non più Patria quando si è chiamati a servirla dal basso. I fascisti, insomma, dovranno agire per sentimento, non per risentimento.

[Anonymous No.19017407]

>>19017379
what do you mean, friend? If I didn't make my self clear, ask a question and I will calmly explain.

[Anonymous No.19017423]

>>19017013
*hide post*

[Anonymous No.19017435]

>>19017423
Do you need a safe space?

[Anonymous No.19017465]

>>19017435
it is safe at night. I see many stars and constellations

[Anonymous No.19017501]

>>19014507
fascism was an outgrowth of romanticism

[Anonymous No.19017536]

>>19017293
Its the simple fact you can't remove the financier without the rest of the jews rallying for their malefactor.

[Anonymous No.19018527]

>>19016652
So we agree. Maybe you are not the guy I was arguing with. I just get tired of these pavlovian midwits dismissing them as some Jordan Peterson caricature of postmodern cultural Marxists (terms people don't understand to begin with).

[Anonymous No.19019837]

>>19017536
This

[Anonymous No.19019845]

>>19013717
So who was Theweleit dealing with?

[Anonymous No.19019956]

>>19017120
I have seen this same exact comment posted before verbatim.

[Anonymous No.19020318]

>>19019956
Strange, 'cause I typed it out all by myself...