/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.18981117]

>Anything Plato says that I don’t like is actually just satire

[Anonymous No.18981127]

platos not even a real planet dude

[Anonymous No.18981150]

>>18981117
>The republic is an ironic work bro

[Anonymous No.18981157]

>Plato was a Christian

[Anonymous No.18981211]

>>18981157
Unironically yes after reading him. He definitely had a strong influence on Christianity at the very least, there are just too many similarities with what he’s saying. I think you could even argue the Greek influence in Christianity is stronger then the Semitic influence. Almost all jews during the Roman occupation of Jesus’ time were highly Hellenized after all.

[Anonymous No.18981224]

>>18981211
>influence
>thinking desert dwellers in jerusalem knew or read plato in 0 BC
>not realizing that the genius of Plato reasoned his way into the divine perfection of Christianity, which was always present from the creation of the universe

[Anonymous No.18981253]

>>18981224
>thinking desert dwellers in jerusalem knew or read plato in 0 BC
They were literally under Greek/Roman domination since 300bc. In fact Jewish culture during the time was at risk of being completely wiped out and then just integrated into a Hellenic Easter Mediterranean identity. Greek was a very commonly known language in the area.

[Anonymous No.18981306]

>>18981253
Yes you’re right I’m certain more than 1% of people around Jerusalem had read and took on Platonic philosophy with no printing presses and a thousand miles from Greece and while under Roman rule, so much so that they subconsciously cultivated it into a form of religion based around the crucifixion of a man who lived and claimed to be the son of God. That makes sense and is in no way some schizophrenic atheist cope

[Anonymous No.18981340]

>>18981306
Jewish clergy were probably very well versed in predominant thought forms of the day. They wrote in Koine Greek after all. But I think the Hellenic influence of Christianity comes more from Paul's evangelism in Greece-proper. Those converted gentile Greeks were surely steeped in Platonism.

[Anonymous No.18981348]

The same with Nietzsche, especially where he talks about separation of healthy from the sick and slavery, then its suddenly just metaphoric and you have to read in between the lines

[Anonymous No.18981360]

>>18981306
Every Jew was literature and flourished and philosophized daily — just like today. Truly gods chosen people

[Anonymous No.18981363]

>>18981211
Yeah, I remember the parts of the Bible about reincarnation, pederasty and eugenics.

[Anonymous No.18981387]

>>18981306
Scribes were plentiful in the Empire and besides oral traditions were very much a thing back then. Philosophical schools were literally everwhere as well which we have documented evidence of including Jerusalem. Greeks and then Romans literally ruled various states as far away as India and instituted their culture on them. Did you know the earliest Buddhist statues were done in a Greek style?
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Greek_Kingdom

As well water is the best way of travel Pre-airplane, in fact since the Bronze Age merchants had made their way from the eastern Mediterranean to Cornwall to trade for the rich tin deposits there. It really wasn’t that much of a trek once the Romans made the Mediterranean their lake and got rid of the pirates which had happened by the time of Jesus.

> so much so that they subconsciously cultivated it into a form of religion based around the crucifixion of a man who lived and claimed to be the son of God
You seem to be getting the wrong idea. I don’t think it was subconscious and I am a Christian myself. I’m saying the truth Jesus spoke was that of Plato’s and not Abraham’s. As well we know for a fact that many of the early Christian theologians such as Saint Augustine came from the Neo-Platonism philosophical school which would’ve influence early christian dogma greatly, so really we’re only arguing in degrees of influence.

[Anonymous No.18981397]

>>18981363
Read the Republic. The similarities are striking between it and the New Testament.

[Anonymous No.18981399]

>>18981387
Ah I C

Thanks for clarifying

[Anonymous No.18981995]

>>18981399
Is this a meme? I’ve seen this guy’s selfie a couple of times. Or is it an autistic attention who’re posting pics of himself on 4chan?

[Anonymous No.18982056]

>>18981995
It's both.

[Anonymous No.18982067]

>>18981117
>>Anything Plato says

[Anonymous No.18982098]

>>18981117
Imagine not believing in Atlantis lmao

[Anonymous No.18982134]

>>18981387
If Christianity is such a wholly Hellenistic religion as you say, what was the point of incorporating the Hebrew Bible/Old Testament into it then?

[Anonymous No.18982144]

>>18981117
>t. Everyone filtered by Cratylus
People who can't accept the legitimacy of the name givers are like 2.4k years out of date lmao.

[Anonymous No.18982385]

>>18981306
You're being facetious, but there's evidence that suggests that fundamental segments of the Hebrew Bible were reworked to fit into a more Greek worldview by the Jewish priesthood at the time.

[Anonymous No.18982391]

>>18982385
No there isn't. The bible never was reworked.

[Anonymous No.18982403]

>>18981117
No. Anything Plato says that is clearly riddled with obvious and glaring internal contradictons so evident that even dimwitted undergraduate students can spot them indicates either i) Plato was a retard or ii) the man who depicted the greatest ironist of all time was perhaps capable of irony.

>>18981150
Partially right, but probably not for the reasons you think.

[Anonymous No.18982774]

>>18981995
It's a meme at this point, but the first time he posted himself I can't remember if it was accidental or if he actually tries some /soc/ bullshit. I think it's the former, but I'm too lazy to check.