/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.18971072]

Is he right? Is self-improvement being used as a means of radicalising anons on 4chan, to make them join the alt-right? Should self-improvement be apolitical, and if so, how would we go about encouraging a self-improvement program without ideological roots? Or is an apolitical version of self-improvement even possible, or is the concept itself necessarily grounded in right-wing ideals?

[Anonymous No.18971085]

>>18971072
Link to article: https://rdcu.be/cw3sc

[Anonymous No.18971091]

Have you never heard of horseshoe theory, anon? Establishing dominion over yourself necessarily means disconnecting from the impositions of societal institutions. Sometimes their ideals may align with yours, but they are never on your side. Only hacks marry themselves to political ideology

[Anonymous No.18971102]

>>18971085
Ain't nobody reading some faggot's publish or perish swill.

[Anonymous No.18971106]

>>18971072
People would call the YMCA and boy scouts right wing extremists if they were started today. It's no wonder the idea that these organizations are filled with homosexual pedophiles is pushed so hard.

[Anonymous No.18971110]

Every imbecile who writes about 4chan -- and perhaps connect it with radicalization -- should really just die.

[Anonymous No.18971125]

>>18971072
>Is self-improvement being used as a means of radicalising anons on 4chan, to make them join the alt-right?
Being used by who?

[Anonymous No.18971131]

>>18971072
tranny vibes

[Anonymous No.18971135]

>>18971072
This is peak ideology. To "self improve" inherently demands a value judgement system, a way of proving what 'good' or 'bad' is as a methodology of then filtering and choosing what things are 'good' and bad'. The material actions one takes on a journey of self improvement is completely dependent upon those who show the way to whatever they define as improvement. For example physical fitness. First we must determine that physical fitness is a 'good' and propose why that good is a good. Then we must determine what type of physical fitness most directly achieves that goal. There's a difference between power lifting, yoga, marathon running not just on a physical activity level, but the ideological reasons as to why those things would be picked in the first place. The meme of 'cardio kills gains' shows where this value judgement system for /fit/ comes from, which we can push further to question what gains actually are, not just in the pounds of muscle added sense, but also the logical manifestation of progress within our current aesthetic zeitgeist. And again, this is just surface level of one aspect of 'self improvement' this doesn't even go into what books should be read for /fitlit/ or for whatever SIG has determined is the best for (you). It becomes homogenous at a certain point and that pretext when viewed by someone outside a community can obviously see the indoctrinating aspects of a regimen. I'm not saying reading the western cannon and getting to 1/2/3/4 are bad things at all, but I am saying they aren't by any means neutral.

[Anonymous No.18971145]

>>18971106
I don’t know if you’ve heard but the boyscouts is getting financially liquidated to pay off tens of thousands of cases of sexual abuse. I know at least a half dozen people that got molested in scouts.

[Anonymous No.18971151]

>>18971072
> join the alt-right
Need another paper on what joining a journalistic invention actually means.

[Anonymous No.18971155]

>>18971135
good post

[Anonymous No.18971170]

>>18971072
Why? joining alt right is not a crime, same way people can read marx and join antifa. Making it apolitical is impossible in regards to changing a mindset of a person.

[Anonymous No.18971189]

>>18971145
I keep hearing about this every year, but the BSA still exists. I wonder if the organization is able to fend it off, but it's never reported about

[Anonymous No.18971196]

>>18971135
There is a persistent trend of people independently coming up with this "strength training=right wing; cardio= left wing" thing. From both sides too. I dont think people take it very seriously but it's an unmistakable pattern

[Anonymous No.18971206]

>>18971145
>>18971189
Just like the Catholic church, it's 99% false claims driven by class action lawsuits.

[Anonymous No.18971216]

>>18971196
It dumb af, /fit/ on average is the dumbest board on 4chan.

[Anonymous No.18971233]

>>18971135
>This is peak ideology.
And that's bad?
You'll say "no, of course not", but when you invoked it you painted it to be a negative of sorts... something you have to approach carefully and/or avoid.

>To "self improve" inherently demands a value judgement system, a way of proving what 'good' or 'bad' is as a methodology of then filtering and choosing what things are 'good' and bad'
Žižek had a stroke. Some exercise would've done him "good".
Discussing the subjective motives and rationalisation behind exercising, and literally treating said as absolutes in terms of ideas is something a dimwit with zero self awareness would do.
You can't really see your ideas. There's a good reason psychoanalysis looks for patterns more than anything else.

[Anonymous No.18971242]

>>18971091
I mean have you tried going up to your local lgbtsjwtfnpc marxist cattle and telling them youve been reading nietszche lifting some weights and cut off tv and social media? In no time you will see their beady stupid cowlike eyes light up in panic. Soon enough they will start with the usual subhuman bleating "wasnt nietszche sexist? Arent you being dangerously eurocentric? Hasnt it been debunked as fake news pseudoscience?Why read books by dead white men when you could have been streaming the latest diverse and inclusive workplace comedies at netflix hulu and disneygo? Didnt you know reading antything beyond YA literature is ableist towards people who are too retarded to read? How does this further the short term electoral goals of the democratic party?are you saying child sex workers arent real sex workers? Are you Sure Have you been taking your SSRIs and HRT? it is very important that you take the medication dr goldstein prescribed otherwise we will report you to corporate for mandatory sensitivity training as per the domestic terrorism act of 2021"

[Anonymous No.18971266]

There could be academics monitoring this very thread in order to shit out their next publication or finish their mediocre PhD.
What do you want to tell them, /lit/?

[Anonymous No.18971268]

This is why I lift.

[Anonymous No.18971276]

>>18971145
Because of something in the boyscout rules that says “take the cock, take the cock, take the cock in the ass, take the cock”, or because people who'd like to do that prefer certain conditions that help them?

It should be easier to criticize the whole scout idea if we look at how it originally appeared, and why sports and wildlife tourism are considered something that benefits people in general.

[Anonymous No.18971279]

>>18971266
Clearly they need to touch sex have grass

[Anonymous No.18971293]

>>18971276
>wildlife tourism
Excuse m8 the wilderness literally belongs to us we cant be tourists there

[Anonymous No.18971294]

>>18971072
Yep
We are lifting our way to destroying the tranny west

[Anonymous No.18971296]

>>18971135
>>18971233
not havin a stroke is good I think. I don't see how I'd have to develop a value judgment system to think that. Theres no upside to having a stroke and many downsides. I think the problem is thinking too wide. Being strong is good too. Simply because it's better than being the same person but weak. No need to look at it from a systemic perspective unless somebody intends to do more with it.

[Anonymous No.18971301]

>>18971266
I was thinking the along the same lines.

Guys, we know you love us, but unfortunately the feeling is not reciprocated. It's just not going to work out. Sorry.

[Anonymous No.18971306]

>>18971085
>https://rdcu.be/cw3sc
That is for the link, though 80% of the thread won’t read it

[Anonymous No.18971307]

>>18971242
Lifting is pushed by trannies and glowniggers
Not a threat. At all

[Anonymous No.18971311]

>>18971072
No.
The left nowadays vehemently avoids self-improvement because they are coddled, told they are perfect, and it is a traditionally masculine pursuit and left-leaning men tend to skew more towards the effeminate. This social preference is being peddled as a marker of ideology, but it's really not.

[Anonymous No.18971331]

>>18971072
Pretty good article desu, albeit more of a blog-post than a scientific paper (but I suppose that's what the humanities are like).

For those who can't be arsed with the whole thing the two paragraphs in the right column on the top of page 9, starting 'In many ways' are a pretty balanced summary of the overall ideas of the piece.

[Anonymous No.18971333]

>>18971266
Jesus love you and wants you to be a part of His flock

[Anonymous No.18971345]

>>18971266
> HTML structure
Holy fuck, those snake oil salesmen are even more stupid than the people who read this shit.

[Anonymous No.18971347]

>>18971206
Even if all of them were true, schoolteachers would still be statistically more likely to abuse your children than priests.

[Anonymous No.18971352]

>>18971266
I HAVE 2 NIGGERS UNDER THE AGE OF 12 LOCKED AWAY SOMEWHERE IN NEVADA.
THEY HAVE LIMITED OXYGEN SUPPLY AND SURVIVE BY EATING BOOGERS I SCRAPPED FROM UNDERNEATH BEN SHAPIROS OFFICE DESK ON THE SAME DAY I MADE HIS SISTER ABORT BY GLUEING A COIN TO THE TOILET BOTTOM.
THAT'S WHAT I CALL A ROYAL FLUSH!
ANYWAYS, THOSE NIGGERS WILL ONLY SURVIVE IF EVERYONE IN YOUR CLASS WRITES A 5000 WORD MANIFESTO PROCLAIMING NIGGERS TO BE SMELLY JEW SLAVES.

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!

[Anonymous No.18971408]

>>18971072
It's actually that being radicalised leads to people wanting to get fit so they don't feel as shitty about everything and are ready for upcoming conflict. I wish I was in some academic position where I could go deboonker on this guy. Achieving new heights of NPCdom to think that the self help is the radicalising part of /Pol/.

[Anonymous No.18971424]

>>18971189
It’s because there was a protracted negotiation phase over the size of the settlements. My roommate is a claimant and right now it looks like it’s going to be about $10k per person and be done by sometime next year. There are 95k claimants that had to vote on different settlements a bunch of times, so it takes forever.

[Anonymous No.18971429]

>>18971306
I read it. It's enjoyable for the 4chan posts and the nice comic of hitler smashing the jewish sculpture and forming the ideal man out of it. The rest of it was shit.

[Anonymous No.18971443]

>>18971135
Fence-sitting is gay.
/fitlit/ are insufferable faggots, grifters and glowniggers.

[Anonymous No.18971444]

>>18971242
>How does this further the short term electoral goals of the democratic party?
This rest of this pasta is schizo but I do think 90% of American leftists think this way about everything they do, even the socialist/communists.

[Anonymous No.18971452]

>>18971408
We should form some sort of /SS/nopes debunking team to counter-debunk their debunkers.

>"Here's every piece of evidence we have proving the holocaust occurred."
VS
>"Here's every piece of evidence we have proving the holocaust occurred. And that's a good thing."

[Anonymous No.18971461]

>>18971408
if you actually read the article you'd see this is pretty much exactly what he says

[Anonymous No.18971480]

Improving yourself will in turn move one away from the modern left

[N E M O . !!GgBWHLRiayD No.18971486]

"Selfimprovement" —as erroneously notionalized in popular antiliterary trash— is adulterization dissimulated as radicalization; convolution dissimulated as something revolutionary.

Frenetically curtailing the symptoms will not cure the sickness; no amount of reformatted platitudes will fill the hole in one's heart, but, rather, it will only inevitably lead one to the customary existential crash; if you think that a "selfhelp" book written by some "Protestant"/Cryptozionist has helped you in any way, something is already wrong.

Incidentally: although I have not read it, it is clear from David Goggins' personality that his work is autobiographical, not "selfhelp" trash, therefore, it should not be lumped with the latter.

[Anonymous No.18971501]

>>18971266
> For example, security practitioners should not underestimate how tech-savvy some of the users are. If the office IP address is not masked, the user base has shown themselves capable of determining that they are under surveillance or targeted by counter-narrative measures
I guess those retards tried to samefag, and believe they were detected just because of some vile hackers.
> One way to achieve this would be to regularly post content that looks genuine (using the right language, imagery, etc.) yet is meaningless – this would dilute the message of these boards and make their threads uninteresting, thereby reducing their attractiveness and sense of community.
Wow, that's exactly what putinbots have been doing in Russian political discussions for more than a decade. such democracy. much freedom of speech.
> Recent developments in artificial intelligence enabling researchers to automatically generate credible extremist sentences make such a tactic cheap and easy to implement.
You just know this is going to end really fun.

[Anonymous No.18971516]

kekking at the posts that got cited in this. good job anons, you can now call yourselves Published

[Anonymous No.18971520]

>>18971242
Anytime I see someone talk about "Marxist cattle" you just know they're someone who absolutely does not interact with people outside of the internet. I'm a well read Marxist and most people are not sympathetic to his ideas. Not being racist isn't "Marxism". The gay illuminati is not real. I've also read Nietzsche extensively and do workout. Nobody gives a shit either of those but mention communism and it's like saying you support Hitler. Face it were two sides of the same coin.

[Anonymous No.18971549]

>>18971520
I am also a well read Marxist, which is why I'm a national socialist and racist antisemite, and what you say is not true. Say you're a communist at any venue with twitter hipsters and all it means to them is "leftist." If you say you're a Stalinist tankie maybe the most you'll get is a few joke remarks about how you're an extremist. Say you're a TERF on the other hand, also known as a normal feminist who doesn't think gay men are women, and you will cause a scene and send ripples through out your social circles as people try to dox and gossip about you.

I repeat, saying you're a TERF is a hundred times more inflammatory than saying you're a Stalinist and joking about gulags. Gulag jokes are just a little bit of spice to rich twitter leftists.

Now start talking about how Jews are overrepresented by 400,000% in something and how they ruined the Russian revolution and you will probably be stabbed by some antifa kid who got addicted to heroin so he could have a "thing."

[Anonymous No.18971553]

>>18971520
its pasta bro

[Anonymous No.18971567]

>>18971072
what does this mean, that you can't even lift without being called a nazi?
can someone please nuke America?

[Anonymous No.18971578]

I don't think it's that complicated. Self improvement is part of a general belief that your own actions are the main driver the driver of your life.
The reason it is "right wing" or "radical" is because those things are statistically corelated with belief that your actions largely determine the state you are in. Those ranting on /pol/ still recognize they are responsible for many of their problems, and while they might not be morally responsible for others, they know it's on them to overcome. They might be lazy and not do anything about it, or simply have other priorities, but they are likely to at least recognize it.
There is also an element of >>18971408. Self improvement allows to take control of some aspects of the world around you instead of constantly living under the influence of things you dislike.
Imagine being a zogbot or a "progress" enthusiast. You just wake up, open the trusted™ media from your country and read things constantly tailored to your framework, then hear about some new law stating it's now illegal to dislike what you like or vice versa. Life goes your way outside your control.
Alienated people might have a higher drive for personal change but on the other hand they may suffer from institutional obstacles and ostracization if they get caught being bad goyim. Most of all they suffer from demoralization. If you watch that self improvement material, half of it is just remoralization rather than practical advice or grand theories.

[Anonymous No.18971585]

>>18971085
It's freely available on nature.com and in the usual places.

[Anonymous No.18971595]

>>18971072

"Self improvement" isn't entirely bullshit, but I think improoovers are overly optimistic about their prospects. Society isn't porous where people can on a whim enter and leave. Once you leave, you are already off track or "off the beaten path" and the longer you're out the harder it is to get back in. People evaluate you by their sense of common experience accrued over time, for normies there is a "social initiation" you are expected to go through in adolescence and early adulthood. If you skip that, and don't or cannot just lie about it and invent a socially normal image for other people, then hardwork and a good attitude is not going to be enough to impress people. Social media makes it especially hard to deceive people because you're expected to present publicly a summary of your whole life narrative. And family or past associates may be willing to spot a fraud and attack your reputation. Not to say that improooovment is a lost cause altogether, but it has formidable obstacles and risk that you should understand

[Anonymous No.18971597]

>>18971072
Time to read part 3 of German Ideology.

[Anonymous No.18971625]

>>18971072
lmao look at this balding nigga
Should really lift some weights there Benjamin, and hop on finasteride too

[Anonymous No.18971628]

>>18971135
>First we must determine that physical fitness is a 'good' and propose why that good is a good
No we don't. It's good because it's good.

[Anonymous No.18971656]

>>18971595
ty anon I had just ran out of blackpills

[Anonymous No.18971658]

>>18971520
>mention communism and it's like saying you support Hitler.
No it 100% objectively is not and you know it

[Anonymous No.18971742]

>>18971072
not even going to bother reading the article, but i can see how someone can come to this conclusion when one side of the political spectrum promotes self improvement via physical mastery, while the other denounces improvement in favour of spiritual safety (the HAES movement, everyone is a winner mentality etc.). that being said you just know this fucker is projecting, probably dyel and mad about it.

[Anonymous No.18971765]

>>18971110
I'm not so sure. Before 4chan I used to only dislike niggers and kikes but now I thoroughly dislike them.

[Anonymous No.18971770]

>>18971429
There is something amusing seeing a supposedly serious paper citing 4chan posts, I agree.

[Anonymous No.18971792]

>>18971625
?? Looks handsome / nice

[Anonymous No.18971803]

>>18971072
I am alt-Platonist along with my radicalizer, Plotinus

[Anonymous No.18971805]

>>18971625
We need to make a happy merchant image of Ben so he can include it in the next report

[Anonymous No.18971845]

>>18971520
> mention communism and it's like saying you support Hitler

Not yet, but hopefully some day. If anything communism should be seen as WORSE due to the body count itself, never mind the other subversive, malevolent qualities that such a parasitic ideology comes with.
When twitter starts banning the hammer and sickle emoji and being a communist comes at a social and economic cost to you THEN you can compare it to being an open Nazi, until then keep your dumb typing fingers still and never hit 'submit' on a post again.

[Anonymous No.18971857]

>>18971135
stopped reading after you unironically wrote "logical manifestation"

[Anonymous No.18971877]

>>18971072
> because 4chan’s trademark dark and ironic humour made serious calls for violence difficult to tell from satirical ‘shitposts’
After this, one would expect a researcher to explain how they do that, but… Also, spending the whole chapter retelling the school textbooks on Fascism as practical political movement when discussing the theories, and not even mentioning Futurists is plain illiteracy.

Still, good job on getting containment board tier shitposting accepted in Nature.

[Anonymous No.18971884]

>>18971145
TFW nobody every wanted to touch my pee pee when I was a scout. Confused yet slightly offended relief.

[Anonymous No.18971892]

>>18971884
You know there are lots of cases of young boys getting "molested" by their hot female teachers?

[Anonymous No.18971900]

>>18971892
Yeah but those are the chad boys.

[Anonymous No.18971909]

>>18971196
Predator vs prey mindset

[Anonymous No.18971920]

>>18971658
Amongst your average boomer in the workforce it is. Mention that shit to your boss...

[Anonymous No.18971926]

>>18971072
I think the articles broad premise is onto something. When people start moving around to different boards, it often seems a process of wanting to get into a new interest, but all through the 4chan lens.

[Anonymous No.18971934]

>>18971595
This is incredibly autistic. Normal people don’t often care about other peoples pasts let alone “social initiations”.

[Anonymous No.18971959]

>>18971926
true

/o/ = i want a pontiac GTO but isnt that a nigger brand?
/lit/ = was spengler a nigger?
/vst/ = is humankind good or is it cucked nigger poz shit?
/biz/ = niggers are gettin uppity again, any stonk tips to play this?

[Anonymous No.18971963]

>>18971266
I for one encourage research into anonymous imageboard culture as an important site of modern social interaction and the shaping of the young male psyche.

[Anonymous No.18971974]

>>18971242
You have been posting these Chud fan fictions in every thread for weeks. I know it's you because it's the same disproportionate, over dramatic style. You need to go outside, this isn't healthy.

[Anonymous No.18971978]

>>18971072

They ( 4chan and broadly speaking the 'alt-right') are just filling in a vacuum that the Leftists have ignored.
They demonize and bully western white males and anyone who tries to help them so it's only natural that you'd have a place that has an abundance of white males (4Chan) catering towards self improvement of this demographic.
Since the Left has abandoned this demographic and actively tries to prevent them from bettering themselves the Right fills the void.
As >>18971135 explained the process of self improvement is never neutral and one must have a background from which to determine what value structure is 'good' or 'bad' to know what direction is considered improvement.
The left has abandoned traditional Western value structures that lead to improvement and progress in the past (being physically fit, being mentally stable, acquiring wealth, embracing your culture, caring about your race and the direction of your nation, caring about a healthy family structure, taking on responsibility for yourself..ect.)
The Left has embraced degeneracy in the name of radical liberalism and tolerance. The Left has contempt for the West and wants to radically change it and therefor isolates, demonizes, subverts and bullies those who get in the way of the goal (to abolish white western hegemony) or wish to preserve traditional Western values.
It's only natural that a reaction to this comes in the form of guides to self improve found on boards such as /pol /fit on sites that lean Right. Where else are we going to find that?

[Anonymous No.18971979]

>>18971516
>tfw your shitposts will never be published in a peer-reviewed publication

[Anonymous No.18971981]

>>18971963
Anyone who matters already knows it is, but as soon as you start making that clear you've Heisenberged yourself out of the zone.

[Anonymous No.18971994]

I've found reading the article really interesting as someone who almost went down the NEET path and political radicalisation, but managed to turn my life around - and also witnessing friends in real life turn to memes and small right wing activist groups.

[Anonymous No.18972008]

>>18971331
Yeah, the authors don't reference a heap of other academic work. I imagine it's the sort of expose to garner funding for more serious analysis.

[Anonymous No.18972021]

>>18971934
I think having fulfilling life experiences at key developmental stages is important for being able to fit in as an adult. For normies this stuff is just intuitive.

[Anonymous No.18972025]

>>18971978
You don't actually know the race of the people you're posting with. No one talks about it, because it's not relevant.

[Anonymous No.18972030]

>These ‘facts’ are carefully crafted chunks of disinformation, often based on misconstrued or de-contextualised statistics, misleading or fake news headlines, and conspiracy theories, and are designed to produce in the viewer a sense of alienation, dissatisfaction, and rage

Yeah because Left-wing media sources, websites and institutions which dominate our society right now never mislead, lie, manipulate, misconstrued, de-contextualize statistics? Fuck these guys. This is why social scientists are laughed at by any reasonable person.

[Anonymous No.18972045]

>>18972025
It's pretty common knowledge that 4chan harbors a majority white demographic that leans right. Are there exceptions? Of course, but don't pretend the majority demographic that posts here is some mystery.

>No one talks about it, because it's not relevant.

Either you're gaslighting or you're new here.

[Anonymous No.18972058]

>>18971959
lmao. Absolutely.
Got a few more examples:
/tg/ = I want to start playing warhammer, but which faction is the least tranny
/n/ = Can I ride public transport without seeing niggers?
>>18971981
I can imagine one of the researchers having to pretend that they weren't a prior user of 4chan.

[Anonymous No.18972063]

Bare with me but I think self improvement is corrolary to a void in modern leftism
I've lived In portland my whole life and everyday this one specific mindset becomes more obvious, it takes the form of
>Problem exists
>Find nebulous thing to blame for problem
>Blame nebulous thing for problem relentlessly
>Do absolutely nothing to solve problem
>Repeat blame for nebulous thing, because nebulous thing and problem still both exist
For example:
>Nowhere in Portland has Air Conditioning because it used to be colder in the summer, and most buildings and houses here are old
>Heatwaves hit; everyone blames global warming for people sweltering in their homes, but also... many cities do fine with heat because they have A/C such as Phoenix or Albuquerque
>Nobody does anything to get landlords or property owners to retrofit A/C into units
>Keep blaming global warming essentially for miserable living conditions
Another example:
>Problem: Tons of Homeless people flood downtown, stealing things, breaking into cars, generally being homeless
>Everyone blames capitalism/systemic racism for there being homeless drug addicts everywhere
>Absolutely nothing is done about the crimes they commit, and nothing is done to help them stop being homeless
>Homelessness worsens continually but everyone just keeps pointing fingers
I feel like this same nonproblemsolving blame game that is played with everything broadly by the liberal populace here would prevent self improvement from ever occuring.
>Problem: you are fat, poor, and depressed
>Blame capitalism for unhealthy food and your poverty and your mental state
>Do absolutely nothing to solve your fatness, poorness, or depression
>Continue blaming (thing)
Versus
>Problem: you are fat poor depressed autistic neet
>Blame jews
>Actually work on being not fat, poor, depressed, autistic, and generally useless to 'own the libs' or 'beat the kikes'
>achieve wild success
Even if there's not a cabal ruling the world, one side achieved demonstrable progress whereas the other side accomplished nothing but feeling correct about something.

[Anonymous No.18972077]

>>18972063
I think you make a great point. For an example, something like climate change can't be stopped by one person buying less plastic china junk, so nobody bothers.
Believing that you can totally counter ills caused by society is kinda irrational, but in a Sisyphyean way, keeping going regardless for its own sake. Process not an end goal.

[Anonymous No.18972083]

>>18972063
*bear but but pretty good post anon

[Anonymous No.18972092]

>>18971352
Lol

[Anonymous No.18972094]

>>18971486
Suck nigger toejam

[Anonymous No.18972104]

>>18972063
That's because /pol/ has a positive (if extremely autistic) vision for its members centered around some meme concept of the Aryan Man.

Commies used to have this too, the New Soviet Man or whatever. These Portland anarchist types though, I have no idea what their positive vision of self-creation is

[Anonymous No.18972119]

>>18972077
Yes exactly. Leftism seems to avoid and criticize partial measures or easing of pain simply for the fact that they are partial, in favor of either A. despair at the scale of the root problem, or B. incredibly indirect action to solve root problem, doing nothing to actually address the symptoms.
Having protests to end capitalism won't do anything about the people living on the street, and having climate protests wont do anything about peoples uncooled homes.
>>18972083
oh fuck i literally changed it from bear to bare after reading it. i am a pseud

[Anonymous No.18972165]

>>18972045
> It's pretty common knowledge that 4chan harbors a majority white demographic that leans right.
No, it's just some shit that lazy stereotype-loving sensation-hungry journalists wrote for the stereotype-loving sensation-hungry public. And these are people who jerk off seeing themselves fighting against prejudices.

Also,
> 4chan is a single thing

Not that learned specialists are much better. You don't introduce quantitative methods and talk about “demographic” if you have no idea about what you're studying. Someone who sees the post “I am from Argentina, and I also strive for defending the white race against the Globo Shlomo!”, and marks it as “international contacts between skinheads” is going to produce garbage data anyway.

[Anonymous No.18972170]

[Anonymous No.18972178]

>>18972063
This is why the Left is doomed to fail.
The question isn't "will they succeed?" because they wont, the question is "how much will they destroy before it backfires on them?"

They don't have solutions, they can't create, which is part of why any institution captured by people with their mindset eventually crumbles or becomes a mediocre, hollow shell.
They've lost the traditional progressive spirit but still call themselves progressive.
The redpill phenomenon is inherently progressive itself. To become "redpilled" is itself a movement from one set of thoughts, ideas, and perspective, to another. The Leftists have erected walls around themselves and their ideas so they never quite progress beyond a certain point in actuality.

You can't question Transgenders so we can never fully address the mental health issues, grooming problems involved with the LGBT movement.
Being mentally ill, disabled, and fat needs to be tolerated and accepted so the left never fully addresses mental/physical health problems seriously
You can't question crime rates and race so they can never fully address cultural issues surrounding different races/cultures
You can't question immigration so we can never fully address the problems in the labor market or housing market
They can never fully explore the topic of climate change because the solutions are not easy and they would rather use it as a tool to justify dismantling capitalism and feeling morally superior to their peers
They have no ideal "Man" or "Women" archetype to aim towards so the idea of self improvement can only go so far before it gets dismantled by its own leftist ideologues "that's fat shaming", "That's agilest", "Don't use the word women because Transwomen exist too, what about their ideal archetype?" so the self improvement movement never gets off the ground.

The left has confined themselves ideologically and they've lost the ideological flexibility to actually progress. Places like 4chan allow ideological flexibility due to the anonymity and format of the site. That it sways Right is only a testament to how the Left has confined itself in its own echo chambers and doesn't challenge or tolerate anything beyond its walls. At best they create strawman to kill, like the article in OP, which leaves them untrained and weak against a heavyweight in an actual discussion.

[Anonymous No.18972216]

>>18971595
You're assuming that improovers aren't normies to begin with. Normies have always been obsessed with improoving and "the grind"

[Anonymous No.18972245]

>>18972178
nigga wrote a novel just to seethe at SJWs lol

[Anonymous No.18972281]

>>18971549
Has this happened to you over an internet discussion? Cause I can tell you right now that this kind of stuff doesn't happen in real life. Maybe if you go to a furry con something like that'll happen.

[Anonymous No.18972364]

>>18972245
>ha, I'm going to speak like a degenerate nigger and complain that he made me read about how my ideology is fucked that'll show em

[Anonymous No.18972393]

>>18971085
Notice how we get fuck all self improvement generals now compared to years ago? The shilling works

[Anonymous No.18972402]

>>18972364
I've been in rw discords, you guys use AAVE more than leftoids do. Seethe at this basic fact

[Anonymous No.18972421]

>>18972402
I cringe every time you people use seethe and cope like it isn't an obvious projection of yourselves.
You just exposed that you're most likely a lefty sjw who got triggered by my post. What was it that got you? The part about race? Would probably explain your use of AAVE.

[Anonymous No.18972428]

>>18972421
You submit to me by not responding to my point. Rightoids use AAVE more than leftoids, and you know that to be true, so you hide behind smugness.

[Anonymous No.18972477]

>>18972428

>look these guys speak like degenerates too!

I'm not on the right so I don't care.
That doesn't excuse you from being a low IQ midwit.
Now I'm going to stop replying to you because you're not worth more than the time it takes to tell you to kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.18972482]

>>18972477
You have no manhood. Bye bitch

[Anonymous No.18972501]

>>18972178
Pretty much this. It's laughably simple to dismantle all my liberal friends arguments. Kind of scary how large a percentage of the population thinks so illogically.

[Anonymous No.18972515]

Lmao I love burgercontent

[Anonymous No.18972534]

>improvement lol

[Anonymous No.18972966]

>>18971196
Cardio requires discipline and it's a bit more painful than just lifting, so i guess you can see how the easy path is right wing and the harder one but with clear benefits is left wing.

[Anonymous No.18973229]

>>18972966
Grasping at straws: the post

[Anonymous No.18973251]

>>18971151
This. And why it's radicalisation. And why it's bad (whatever it is).

Self-serving little shits.

[Anonymous No.18973262]

Self-improvement is for insecure pseuds anyway. Just live your life.

>>18972030
So you can lie as much as you want because the left does it too? How long have you been radicalized?

[Anonymous No.18973280]

>>18972216
This. Never seen someone talking about self-improving or self-help that wasn't a total normalfag. There's a different between doing something to improve yourself and investing in the notion of self-improvement and reducing everything to it. Who else talks more about muh productivity and shit than normalfags? If you removed from mainstream somehow, you're more like to react against values like that.

[Anonymous No.18973281]

>>18971242
>local lgbtsjwtfnpc marxist cattle
This isn't my left wing equivalent. Maybe it is yours

[Anonymous No.18973291]

>>18971926
>>18971959
>>18972058
I think they're just transferring board cultures. It's not a serious show of their views. They're just using whatever memes they know to participate. Actually annoying, they should just lurk.

[Anonymous No.18973302]

>>18973262
>So you can lie as much as you want because the left does it too
No. We lie less and we have no reach or power so it doesn't mean anything anyway. Meanwhile lies and dishonesty is normal for the institutions of the establishment he posits as 'legitimate' to 4chan's illegitimacy. Academia, msm, goverments, etc.

[Anonymous No.18973306]

>>18971216
no it isnt

[Anonymous No.18973322]

>>18972045
>It's pretty common knowledge that 4chan harbors a majority white demographic that leans right. Are there exceptions? Of course, but don't pretend the majority demographic that posts here is some mystery
What? Are you retarded? Prove this instead of merely asserting it. Firstly you have to prove a white majority, then you have prove this white majority actually identifies as 'white', one group, and fits into your American mold when half the site or more is not American and a good portion of the 'Americans' are diaspora. Then you have to prove they're somehow political or ideologically unified despite 90% of posts on this website being people screaming their disagreement at eachother.

Based on the boards I browse I believe otherwise yet neither of us have any data so it's both wishful thinking.

[Anonymous No.18973323]

>>18973291
The problem is as the cross-boarders spend more time on the niche board, their posting styles begin to influence everyone else.
I saw the shift on /o/ around 2016 as the oldfags stopped posting and newfags took over.

[Anonymous No.18973331]

>>18971444
I do not think a lot of so called american socialists, communists, or anarchists are genuine marxists. I think it is largely edgy posturing from overly online millennial and zoomer liberals. At most they'll get involved with the DSA and circlejerk but they are not reading volumes of theory and history, nor are they getting involved with unionization and other forms of pro working class organizing, which to me signify someone actually genuinely understands what Marxism is and seeks to practice it in their daily life.

[Anonymous No.18973354]

>>18971135
Not to mention saving your balls by cutting plastic out of your life takes no effort and could save your life.

[Anonymous No.18973378]

>>18971216
>not (current_year) /x/

[Anonymous No.18973390]

>>18972534
>these are the people calling you chud/incel
>>18973281
>no true lefty
>>18973306
/fit/ is one of the few boards where you see people with meaning in their lives. Here? Go to a "write what's on your mind" thread and you get Troons writing about how depressed they are that they didn't have enough estrogen this week.

[Anonymous No.18973401]

>>18973390
Why do altright incels think about trannies all day long.

[Anonymous No.18973406]

>>18973331
American Marxists reinterpret Marxism in a way that subtly subverts itself for capitalist need. I do think they read some of Marx, hearing them talk on campus. But yeah, they're lazy and perhaps stupid.
They reinterpret the class struggle into a cultural kind. Mere oppressor vs. oppressed. Hence, it becomes intersectional. Patriarchal society vs. women. White vs. black. Colonizer vs. colonized. They do not give a shit about the working class. Perhaps unknowingly, this essentially frees the corporation and emasculates the new Marxist from doing anything substantive. Culturally corrosive? Cultural demolition? Yes, he can do great damage, but not against the force of international capital, or in other words, moneyed interests. The money man can easily adapt diversity programs for his underlings. He can fly a fag flag. These are performative excercises. Meanwhile, American Marxists are impotent. Socialists are impotent. I don't think this is a planned thing, but it is apparent. But it alienates the founding group of this country in the process, one with declining soft power but a lot of the other kind. I think there's a reason why there's so much worry over this phantom threat if extremism, when it seems to laughable and fictional. It's archetypal of a true threat to stability. A cultural wind.

[Anonymous No.18973407]

The end result of improoving.

[Anonymous No.18973410]

>>18973262
>So you can lie as much as you want because the left does it too
Yes. No mercy for the merciless.

[Anonymous No.18973417]

>>18973410
Very postmodern of you.

[Anonymous No.18973419]

>>18973417
Does it matter? I'm fighting for my interests. Whatever works works.

[Anonymous No.18973437]

>>18973331
>nor are they getting involved with unionization and other forms of pro working class organizing, which to me signify someone actually genuinely understands what Marxism is and seeks to practice it in their daily life.
pic rel = pro working class organizing + genuinely understanding what marxism is

[Anonymous No.18973451]

>>18972402
Have you considered that half of what yankees think is AAVE is literally just southern slang?

[Anonymous No.18973454]

>>18973437
No, that's just them signalling compliance with the hegemonic ideology of the imperial ruling class.

[Anonymous No.18973482]

>>18971135
Too many in thread are brainlets and don't comprehend this post