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[Anonymous No.18951959]

Never read any philosophy before in my life

Where do I begin with him?

Charts are welcome!

[Anonymous No.18951990]

You don\t begin with him.
Start with the Greeks.

[Anonymous No.18952009]

>>18951990
I'm a normal working guy I don't have time for the Greeks

[Anonymous No.18952023]

>>18951959
>>18952009
If you won't start with the greeks then start with secondary literature.

[Anonymous No.18952041]

Commence with the philosophical treatises developed in fourth century BC Greece

[Anonymous No.18952043]

>>18951959
I love charts.
Charts??? Anyone???

[Anonymous No.18952047]

>>18951959
this >>18951990
After the greeks you can go to the Scholastics (only requirement is Aquinas); then the rationalists (Descartes, Spinoza, Leibniz); then Hume (empericist); then German Idealism: Kant (if you want, since they're important, Fichte, Schelling, Hegel); Then, finally, Schopenhauer.
You should also read a few greek plays and have general knowledge of greek mythology.

[Anonymous No.18952063]

>>18951959
>>18952043
>>18952047 (I'm this anon)
I should have left this

[Anonymous No.18952068]

Literally just start reading whatever book looks interesting to you. If you don't understand, you can look things up and do reading on the side that way. People here love to wank each other off about the Greeks, but nobody here has dead them either lmao.

[Anonymous No.18952071]

>>18952009
Then you don't have time for Nietzsche.
The German idealists all wrote/spoke about pretty much all the philosophers since the pre-Socratics, Nietzsche even more than others.
You're like asking to read Quantum particle physics without understanding calculus.
I guess in your case you could just read some secondary literature on Nietzsche, but don't bother with any primary work as it's well above your skill level.

[Anonymous No.18952078]

>>18952063
What a terrible, terrible, terrible chart.

[Anonymous No.18952091]

kys faggot, lurk moar, etc.
>>18951990
/thread

[Anonymous No.18952097]

>>18952078
I agree that there are some "crucial" books (like phenomenology of spirit) that aren't totally relevant to him. BUT, the order in which Neet's books are present is correct.

[Anonymous No.18952115]

>>18952063
It feels like Augustine should be on this chart.

[Anonymous No.18952133]

>>18952063
Jesus, you don't need all of that shit. The Greek row is correct and essential, some of third row is perhaps nice-to-have for context.
Why Montaigne's Essays are on this chart is beyond me, same goes for the rest of the second row apart from Descartes and (maybe!) Spinoza.
Right side looks good btw, although it'd probably leave it at the first row also.

[Anonymous No.18952149]

>>18952133
>Why Montaigne's Essays are on this chart is beyond me
Just noticed that it's because of his 'style.' Yeah, that's probably not a good justification for reading a thousand pages.
Montaigne's great though.

[Anonymous No.18952248]

>>18951959
>>18952063
If you wanna get into Nietzsche OP then listen to some podcasts about him and watch some youtube then read "the gay science". It´s an easy read.

If you wanna understand Nietzsche then it´s: Heraclitus-Plato-Descartes-Spinoza-Hume-Kant-Hegel-Scopenhauer-Nietzsche.

If you want to understand his philosophy then its the list in the picture minus some of them which you will filter out yourself as you get accustomed to the philosophical tradition during your reads.

[Anonymous No.18952263]

>>18951959
Gay Science -> Beyond Good and Evil -> Genealogy of Morals -> Twilight of the Idols -> Antichrist -> Zarathustra -> Ecce Homo -> All the tl;dr Wagner sperging -> Will to Power, Meditations, etc basically the "heads only" shit

[Anonymous No.18952379]

read will durants story of philosophy then do this

[Anonymous No.18952392]

>>18952379
>start with edith hamilton
Come the fuck on lol

[Anonymous No.18952423]

>>18952379
only relevant books of these before going into N is illiad, odyssey, some plays then plato and aristoteles. Why the fuck would one ave to read books about the trojan and peleponesian war or greek mythology. One can simply read some wikipedia or whatever.

[Anonymous No.18952581]

>>18952068
start with the greeks

[Anonymous No.18952607]

>>18951959
Start with Islamic mysticism. Ironically.

[Anonymous No.18952894]

>>18952009
Start with the greeks, they are way more concerned with things you actually deal with as a working person than the crazy aesthetic esotericism of Nietzsche. If you try and start with Nietzsche, he'll just constantly be referencing the Greeks, and you'll have no ability to vet anything about what he's saying. For you, he may as well be making what he's saying up and you would be none the wiser. I hope you're starting to get the picture here.
>inb4 I can't read the whole canon
You can get a lot further than you'd expect. It isn't even necessarily the best approach to go linearly or chronologically (hence we start with the Greeks and not, say, the Sumerians, or anthropological textbooks on ancient homo sapiens or whatever). You won't be able to read all the Greeks, but you don't need to do that to get some kind of grip on older ideas. Its still a patchwork, and in this sense ultimately nonlinear (necessarily with gaps), but omitting the Greeks doesn't merely omit the Greeks themselves but all of the strands which spring from them.

[Anonymous No.18953038]

>>18951959
Read Thus Spake Zarathustra, then Plato's Parmenides, then Hegel's Phenomenology of spirit. This will be your intro to philosophy.

[Anonymous No.18953463]

[Anonymous No.18953721]

>>18952263
Human all too human. And then this.

Learn to wiki.. faggot
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/4chanlit/images/f/fa/Philosophy_Project_1.pdf/revision/latest?cb=20181125223922

[Anonymous No.18954075]

Beyond Good and Evil is much easier to read and straight to the point. Thus Spoke Zarathustra is major pain in the ass, just skip that shit unless you really like Nietzsche

[Anonymous No.18954760]

>>18952063
Where is Apology and Symposium? Majority of this chart is superfluous. Could take away more than half.

[Anonymous No.18954774]

Read Kierkegaard and Spinoza so you dont end up offing yourself.

[Anonymous No.18956479]

Bump

[Anonymous No.18958313]

>>18952063
Montaigne's "self-indulgent style" close to Nietzsche's? Wtf am I reading

[Anonymous No.18958525]

>>18952068
This. But if you really want to "start with the Greeks" just read Platon and Aristotle. All philosophy is built around their works one way or another.