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Is ze mind and ze body separate?

>> No.18895982

>>18895784
ze answer is nein

>> No.18895983

>>18895784
Separate in what way? I don't think anyone denies that they are closely linked.

>> No.18896027

>>18895784
The mind is part of the body and the body is part of the mind.

>> No.18896032

>>18896027
that's like saying the man who pushes the lawnmower is part of the lawnmower.

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>>18895784
Nuclear take -- Not only are mind and body separate, but the entire Cartesian skeptical edifice is philosophically coherent and (hence) psychologically true.

We'll fuck ourselves over the way we've brutalized Descartes' insights in recent thought. Post-structuralism in particular reveals itself as a kind of apophatic theology in the way it treats they cart. Not only via the negative but through and of the negative itself. It presents itself as a critical endeavor revealing the 'structurality of structure' (Derrida) but tries do so on a non-structural basis. Because the general post-structural thesis only admit to reason as a force among others it lacks the very force of reason that'd give it reality.

The end result being that the critically immanent, empirical, virtual, skeptical, non-sensical, what-have-you world view even when it purports to describe reality has to denounce its own thesis the moment it states it. It's thoroughly nonsensical but has to lay claim to making sense to make itself heard. The really post-structural world turn man into a mouthpiece of Descartes' demon. Something which in the Cartesian metaphysics is impossible when the God-given faculty of reason with its foundational inwardness and abyssal esoterism declares itself regardless of the maddening influence of the demon. In short reason holds true regardless of how little sense it makes. Crucially, though, the rational and reasonable can't be equated with the nonsensical on the whole and actively lays claim to particular sense.

>> No.18896096

>>18896032
He isn't part of the lawnmower, obviously. How stupid do you think people are? The man would be part of the man-moved lawnmower.

>> No.18896099

>>18895784
Body/mind and consciousness are separate

>> No.18896114

>>18896099
You're a fag
A Stone has no consciousness. Brain is q requirement for production of consciousness.

>> No.18896122

>>18896114
>Brain is q requirement for production of consciousness.
>the music player is a requirement for the production of radio waves

>> No.18896238

>>18896122
>Using materialist empiricism to prove his immaterial mumbo jumbo
Retard
Fags in the hospitals can remove certain parts of your brain and area for which they're responsible for the functioning will stop. Even if the source of consciousness is metaphysical, it's still produced by brain.

>> No.18896252

>>18896238
>Fags in the hospitals can remove certain parts of your brain and area for which they're responsible for the functioning will stop.
brain waves aren’t consciousness
>Even if the source of consciousness is metaphysical, it's still produced by brain.
that would means its source is physical not metaphysical, its not produced by the brain though

>> No.18896292

>>18896238
>break radio
>music stops
>'radio wave fags btfo'

>> No.18896332

>>18896252
>>18896292
Where the folk is signal receiver and where the fook is radio tower?

>> No.18896344

le > ze

>> No.18896348

>>18895784
No, read Aristotle

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>>18896332
> Where the folk is signal receiver and where the fook is radio tower?
the greatest sages and mystics of the worlds religions converge on a common answer…