Are we the most /lit/ out there?

[Anonymous No.18889644]

>Sappho
>Sophocles
>Anacreon
>Theognis
>Ibycus
>Pindar
>Socrates
>Alcibiades
>Callimachus
>Bion
>Theocritus
>Catullus
>Tibullus
>Meleager
>Horace
>Petronius
>Martial
>Hadrian
>Bai Juyi
>Abu Nuwas
>Hilarius
>Judah Al-Harizi
>Sa'di
>Khusrau
>Hafez
>Cosmico
>Aretino
>Poliziano
>Buonaccorsi
>Ficino
>Cellini
>Varchi
>Tasso
>Donatello
>Leonardo
>Michelangelo
>Caravaggio
>Sodoma
>de Viau
>Barnfield
>Marlowe
>Shakespeare
>Erasmus
>Bacon
>King James
>Katherine Philips
>Aphra Benn

[Anonymous No.18889648]

>Frederick the Great
>Byron
>von Platen
>Holderlin
>Walpole
>Winckelmann
>Adolf Brand
>Ludwig II
>Tchaikovsky
>Hans Christian Andersen
>Whitman
>Rimbaud
>Verlaine
>Lorrain
>Dickinson
>Stefan George
>Pater
>Wilde
>Mann
>Gide
>Proust
>Genet
>Auden
>Housman
>Hopkins
>Forster
>Woolf
>Wittgenstein
>Henry James
>Maugham
>Pessoa
>TE Lawrence
>Gertrude Stein
>H.D.
>Murdoch
>Yourcenar
>Montherlant
>Cocteau
>Pasolini
>Waugh
>Kuzmin
>Cavafy
>Lorca
>Campbell
>White
>Mishima
>Barthes
>Foucault
>Crane
>Ginsberg
>Baldwin
>Vidal
>Capote
>Isherwood
>Burroughs

[Anonymous No.18889667]

Maybe

[Anonymous No.18889686]

>>18889644
artists tend towards homoeroticism since the male body is more aesthetic than the female body

[Anonymous No.18889719]

>>18889648
Was Hölderlin really bisexual?? I can’t find evidence for it, although some sources seem to claim it. I know he wrote Sokrates und Alcibiades which Mann referenced in Der Tod in Venedig, but that’s not really evidence in itself, and apart from that I can’t find anything/haven’t read enough of him.

[Anonymous No.18889759]

There is so much fluff here it's insane
>Leonardo
>Michelangelo
>Caravaggio
Not /lit/ faggot
>Shakespeare
Holy shit, you must be joking.
>Erasmus
Conjecture
>Walpole
Conjecture
>Dickinson
Conjecture
And so on.
With all the literary, poetical, theatrical, and philosophical faggots out there I find it odd that you would have trouble making a real list. The fact that you some how fucked it up shows that you are either retarded or you simply got too greedy.

[Anonymous No.18889784]

>>18889759
Yes a few of them are meme conjectures however Shakespeare doesn't seem like a controversial inclusion.

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[Anonymous No.18889828]

>>18889759
>>Shakespeare
>Holy shit, you must be joking.
>>Erasmus
>Conjecture
>>Walpole
>Conjecture
>>Dickinson
>Conjecture
Only Horace Walpole is conjecture there as the rest are documented in having romantic or sexual attraction to members of the same sex. Disregarding the term “gay, bisexual, LGBT” etc. which I don’t like, Shakespeare loved the Fair Youth, Erasmus loved Servatius Roger, and Dickinson probably loved Susan Huntington Gilbert.

[Anonymous No.18889833]

>>18889667
>tfw no bf with proportions like that

[Anonymous No.18889847]

>>18889644
>Sodoma
One of the most based men who ever walked on this planet.

You forgot Aretino, Pasolini, Saba, Lezama Lima and Musil.

[Anonymous No.18889856]

>>18889847
I did include Aretino and Pasolini. Thanks I forgot Saba. I'm not sure if Musil belongs. I know he probably had homoerotic experiences at boarding school but I am hesitant to categorise him. Did he display any tendencies as an adult?

[Anonymous No.18889877]

>>18889686
It really is

[Anonymous No.18889887]

>>18889856
>I did include Aretino and Pasolini
Sorry, I didn't notice them.
>I'm not sure if Musil belongs
Yeah I'm also not sure. His Törless is definitely /swag/core literature, but maybe he wasn't exactly like the book suggests.

On a similar note, Pasolini wrote a famous article in which he claimed to have used psychoanalysis on the writings of Alessandro Manzoni to determine he was a closet homo. He wasn't wrong IMO, but the piece was too controversial to be accepted by the literary intelligentsia of that time.

[Anonymous No.18889891]

>>18889877
would lick/10

[Anonymous No.18890134]

>>18889877
poor guy. Tied up and double penetrated.

[Anonymous No.18890394]

>>18889759
>>Shakespeare
>Holy shit, you must be joking.
Anon, I...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexuality_of_William_Shakespeare?wprov=sfla1

One of his most famous and beautiful works is literally a love poem addressed to a twink. And it's not even a woke take or anything, it's just what it is.

[Anonymous No.18890398]

Book recs?

[Anonymous No.18890404]

>>18889877
Isn't this what awakened Mishima's gayness

[Anonymous No.18890437]

>>18890394
I talked about this recently on here, I literally posted the poem in a thread, and the anons still couldn't accept or even try to explain it. It baffles them completely, kinda sad.

[Anonymous No.18890452]

I hate fag culture so much and for the record i am bi myself

[Anonymous No.18890487]

>>18890404
it awakens the gayness of the main character in confessions of a mask and in the mishima movie from 1985 they put that scene in as if it was from mishima's actual life. the whole movie kind of blends art and artist like that

[Anonymous No.18890490]

>>18890487
implying it was not from Mishima's actual life

[Anonymous No.18890493]

>>18889784
It is. The ONLY evidence is his sonnets. You can use same type of "evidence" to say Shakespeare was a murderer because he wrote Macbeth, and that Shakespeare was a king because he wrote Henry V.

[Anonymous No.18890565]

>>18889833
Make it happen

[Anonymous No.18890605]

>>18890493
If you do not understand the difference between how lyric poetry and how drama is written, you're beyond hope.

[Anonymous No.18890608]

>>18890394
>>18890437
Typical modern gaslightning. None of those poems are remotely gay unless you want them to be.

[Anonymous No.18890612]

>>18890608
Why did the publishers change their pronouns then

[Anonymous No.18890622]

>>18890605
Yeah because the Rape of Lucrecia precludes dramatist writing.

[Anonymous No.18890634]

>>18890608
its honestly disturbing how eager and ready everyone is nowadays to see faggotry
men can't even be friends anymore or hold hands in America without being called gay but it's normal everywhere else in the world

[Anonymous No.18890652]

>>18890634
>men can't even be friends anymore
what?
>or hold hands in America without being called gay
this was the case long before homo emancipation

also, as pointed out, the homoeroticism (and censored) was detected long before the 20th century.

[Anonymous No.18890671]

>>18890612
What publishers?

[Anonymous No.18890683]

>>18890671
>1640 – The publisher John Benson publishes an anthology of poems; some are by Shakespeare, and about 30 are not, but all are ascribed to Shakespeare. It is titled ″Poems: Written by Wil. Shakespeare Gent”. Benson is even more wildly piratical than Jaggard. Benson draws on The Passionate Pilgrim and other sources, including Shakespeare’s Sonnets (1609), which he rewrites and rearranges. Benson imperfectly rewrites the sonnets to make them appear to be addressing a woman—the pronoun "he" is often replaced by "she". This edition is unfortunately influential and resulted in confusing and confounding various critical understanding and response for more than a century. Deliberate mis-gendering is also a feature of 17th-century commonplace books which include Sonnet 2, the most popular sonnet to appear in such collections. In Margaret Bellasys’ commonplace book the poem appears with the non-gendered title, ‘Spes Altera’. In IA’s commonplace book, the gender of the addressee is explicitly changed with the title, ‘To one that would die a mayd’.

[Anonymous No.18890694]

>>18890622
What the fuck does that have to do with the problem at hand? lmao

>>18890671
https://www.enotes.com/topics/william-shakespeare/critical-essays/margareta-de-grazia-university-pennsylvania
>Of all the many defences against the scandal of Shakespeare's Sonnets—Platonism, for example, or the Renaissance ideal of friendship—John Benson's is undoubtedly the most radical. In order to cover up the fact that the first 126 of the Sonnets were written to a male, Benson in his 1640 Poems: Written by Wil Shakespeare. Gent. changed masculine pronouns to feminine and introduced titles which directed sonnets to the young man to a mistress. By these simple editorial interventions, he succeeded in converting a shameful homosexual love to an acceptable heterosexual one, a conversion reproduced in the numerous reprintings of the 1640 Poems up through the eighteenth century. The source for this account is Hyder E. Rollins's authoritative 1944 variorum Sonnets, the first edition to detail Benson's pronominal changes and titular insertions.

>>18890634
>men can't even be friends anymore or hold hands in America without being called gay but it's normal everywhere else in the world
1. no, you won't be called gay for having friends (though it's doubtful whether you'd be able to know that from personal experience)
2. no, it's not normal for men to hold hands everywhere in the world (I live in East Europe and you'd be called a faggot and beaten up for doing that)
desu this post is so retarded it's probably just bait

[Anonymous No.18890719]

>>18890694
>>18890683
>modern academics cherry pick sources and through the power of ideology fan up controversy!
yawn

[Anonymous No.18890743]

>>18890719
>anything that disagrees with me is cherrypicking!!
lel

[Anonymous No.18890790]

>>18889644
There is a great Punjabi mystic poet, Shah Hussian. He was a queer too.

[Anonymous No.18890793]

>>18890694
Eastern Europe is full of overcompensating emasculated men is why. This taboo doesn't exist in most of the world.

[Anonymous No.18890847]

>>18890793
>emasculated men
>beating people up
logical

[Anonymous No.18890858]

>>18889644
>Sophocles
Source

[Anonymous No.18890870]

>>18890719
Where is the cherrypicking? What does that even mean in this instance? How can the fact that Shakespeare's work was bowdlerized for centuries be "cherrypicked"? Nice cope.

George Steevens, in the 1700s, wrote of Sonnet 20: "It is impossible to read this fulsome panegyrick, addressed to a male object, without an equal mixture of disgust and indignation."

Edmond Malone, in 1788, on the sonnets: "Their great defects seem to be a want of variety, and the majority of them not being directed to a female, to whom alone such ardent expressions of esteem could with propriety be addressed." (He nevertheless argued that there was no trace of 'criminality' in them).

D.L. Richardson, in 1840, wrote of Sonnet 20: "One of the most painful and perplexing [poems] I ever read. It is a truly disagreeable enigma. If I have caught any glimpse of the real meaning, I could heartily wish that Shakespeare had never written it."

Oscar Wilde and James Joyce both reference the homoeroticism of Shakespeare's sonnets (in Wilde's story 'The Portrait of Mr. W.H.' and in Joyce's Ulysses).

[Anonymous No.18890902]

Gods I wish I could hold hands with a cute boy
I wish I could squeeze him and snuggle in bed with him
I wish I could experience love and be in a relationship with him until death (and possibly beyond the grave)
Sadly that will never happen because I'm too autistic, not attractive enough and fags are promiscuous degenerates who only know hook ups and one night stands.

[Anonymous No.18890949]

>we wuz faggots n shiet

[Anonymous No.18890957]

>>18890858
>Aeschylus, and Sophocles too, put sexual themes on the stage in their tragedies, Aeschylus showing Achilles’ love for Patroclus, Sophocles love of the boys in Niobe (which is why some people call this play Paiderastria)—and their audiences enjoyed such themes.
Athenaeus, Deipnosophistae

>The poet Sophocles I met at Chios when, as general, he was bound for Lesbos: a playful man, when in wine, and clever. Hermesileus, his own friend and the consular representative of Athens, was hosting him, when there beside the fire, ready to pour out his wine, was a boy . . .of course, and he said, “Do you want me to like my wine?” and the boy said yes. “Then hand me the cup slowly, and take it from me slowly.” The boy was now blushing more and more, and Sophocles said to his neighbor, “Phrynichus put it so beautifully! ‘Shines on his crimson cheeks the light of love.’”80 Whereupon the other, an Eretrian schoolmaster or else an Erythraean, replied, “Yes, you are learned in poetry, Sophocles, but all the same Phrynichus was wrong to call a beautiful boy’s cheeks crimson. If the painter smeared this boy’s cheeks with crimson, he would no longer seem beautiful. It’s quite wrong to compare beauty with what is not beautiful.” Sophocles laughed at this Eretrian: “Don’t you like that line of Simonides, either, sir? ‘From crimson lips the virgin’s voice was raised’—yet the Greeks all think it’s quite right! or the poet who spoke of ‘golden-haired Apollo,’ although if a painter painted Apollo’s hair gold and not black, so much the worse for the painting; or the poet of ‘rosy-fingered,’ because if you dip your fingers into rose-colored paint you have the hands of a crimson-dyer, not those of a beautiful woman.” They laughed, and the Eretrian was put out of countenance by this retort; Sophocles took up his conversation with the boy again. He was trying to get a bit of straw out of the wine cup with his little finger. “Do you see the bit of straw?” asked Sophocles, and the boy said he saw it. “Don’t dip your finger in, then,” he said. “Just blow it away instead.” Then, as the boy’s face approached the cup, Sophocles brought the cup nearer to his own lips, so that their two heads would be closer; and when they were very close, he put his arm around him and kissed him. There was applause, with laughter and shouts, at how well he had managed the boy, and Sophocles said, “I am practicing strategy, gentlemen. Pericles said that I knew how to make poetry, but not how to be a strategist. This stratagem fell out ‘just right’ for me, didn’t it?” His conversation over wine, and his behavior in daily life, were full of such clever turns; in politics, though, he was no more wise and no more effective than any other respectable Athenian.
Ion of Chios, Epidemiae

[Anonymous No.18890966]

>when your gay power level is too high even for OPs exhaustive list of gay writers
4/10 would not do meth at an orgy with

[Anonymous No.18891388]

>>18890608
>Typical chud gaslighting. None of the billion heterosexual love poems are straight unless you want them to be.
>>18890634
Yes, but it's also honestly disturbing how obviously sexually divergent people's biography throughout history have been obscured with the good ol' "They were just really, really good, close friends, trust me bro" treatment, which is a clear imposition of the majority and it's arguably contributed to an environment where homosexuality and the such have been made to appear far less prevalent in the population than what it actually is.
A great example:
https://youtu.be/0oC4Lg_QtlI

[Anonymous No.18891932]

>>18889887
Interesting, what's the article called?

[Anonymous No.18891981]

>>18891388
>"They were just really, really good, close friends, trust me bro" treatment
because they often were if you actually read enough period stuff rather than cherrypick and learn if the different conventions. sometimes it might be certainly, but you must be fooling me if you dont think there is a level of pick and choosing polemicism on both sides. for instance, we know for a fact that for most of history, sharing beds with a stranger was completely common and didn’t necessarily have sexual conotations. like you might expect to get shaked up with a rando at a tavern. of course there is the opisite too.
>>18890634
tbqh i partially blame the french revolution with its widereaching distaste for what was seen as noble and effete and it seemingly being tied to somber work citizeb-soldeirs and gruffness.

before that, there was a decent bit of more “sensitive” stuff between and among guys. think about japans relation with it.

[Anonymous No.18892076]

>>18890858
>this ancient Greek obsessed with sexual perversion was gay?! That can't be!
you guys are adorable

[Anonymous No.18892283]

>>18890634
>men can't even be friends anymore... in america
Lol what?

[Anonymous No.18892290]

>>18889644
Sometimes I wish I was a fag because I'm built like a twink and have a cute face. The only girls that find me attractive are teenage girls who are into boy bands and shit like that, adult women prefer more masculine dudes and I'm tired of getting hit on by gay guys. Heterosexuality has been a burden for me.

[Anonymous No.18892292]

>>18889648
>Pessoa
Ace, maybe.

[Anonymous No.18892298]

>>18889644
Were*

[Anonymous No.18892691]

>>18889648
Stop saying Rimbaud was gay, he just hated women.

[Anonymous No.18892900]

>>18890404
Yes. He started to furiously masturbate looking at this picture.

>BTW no Palachnuk, Mishima, Gombrowicz and Ellis on the list. Eh...

[Anonymous No.18893501]

>>18892076
Retard

[Anonymous No.18893642]

Guys, how do I fight the gay?
I am non stop day dreaming about cute guys I have seen and when I see them in public I will literally go and sit in a restaurant just so I can eavesdrop on him talking and look at him and waste money on food that i dont eat.
Having come to America really isn’t helping either because the number of cute guys around a campus is astounding and the peoples’ attitude is so much more lax than I am used to.

Saw a really cute simple guy yesterday in a cafe talking to a female friend and randomly he just stars talking about his boyfriend without any reservations or hesitation.

I am really struggling.

[Anonymous No.18893662]

>>18893642
>a campus is astounding and the peoples’ attitude is so much more lax than I am used to.
>lax
>campus
no it isnt, its just suffused with an overwhelming explicet sense of antithesis.

Just remind yourself that your gay is just a fetish since your are idle and oversocialized. like overfeed mice or geese. Its ok, its just you.

[Anonymous No.18893769]

>>18893662
You dont know the coldness of northern Europe then.
From just visiting the gregarious open nature of young guys here is astounding. I feel like I entered a garden of beckoning temptations.

[Anonymous No.18893787]

>>18893769
No, I said it was ok Anon.

Also i think that is simply the nature of americanism; that it is a little more open to casual, non intimate socialization. Like saying high to a stranger on a bus and smilling vs a lot of england and the northern countries (and not open in a liberal political sense, but simply interpersonal, I would wager that a few miles out from your campus men wouldn't take kind to MxM flirtation).

[Anonymous No.18893806]

>>18893642
Why the fuck would you fight it? Find your own gay guy to fulfill it.

[Anonymous No.18894576]

>>18892900
Mishima is on the list. Forgot Ellis. Didn't know Gombrowicz was gay.

[Anonymous No.18894596]

>>18891981
There are two annoying tendencies. One is to insist on the essential heterosexuality and non-homoeroticism of every figure (to the point where almost no one in history was ever gay at all). The other is to use innuendo and gut feeling to insist, with certainty, on the homosexuality of this or that figure. Now, I find that professional historians tend not to indulge in either vice very much any more and are generally very measured. When I go on 4chan I am annoyed by those who insist that even obvious (and admitted!) homosexuality is anything but. Then I see shit like some subreddit called /r/SapphoAndHerFriend where historical problems and contexts are completely ignored and anyone who brings them up is treated with derision.