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>The Bible says the earth is flat? Wow, I guess it really is then!

>> No.18848470

Even if i was a retard i wouldn't believe the Earth was flat. I wouldn't think about the Earth at all. I wouldn't even be able to grasp the mere concept of a planet.
But then again only a retard would believe that the Earth was indeed flat.

>> No.18848492

>>18848470
The earth IS flat you dumb faggot. Go outside, check for yourself.

>inb4 m-muh satellites
>m-muh black science man
>muh google images
>muh school textbook
All fake. The world exists as you see it. If you choose to be an idiot and believe others instead of your own eyes then yes you're a retard, a soulless fag, a weak bitch, and an idiot. Rope yourself.

>> No.18848506

>>18848434
>The Bible says the earth is flat?
No

>> No.18848520

>>18848492
I live on the ocean and see the curvature on the earth. The earth isn't intuitively flat.

>> No.18848539

>>18848434
Post verse.

>> No.18848557

>>18848539
There are many. This will be a thread.

>The Order of Creation

>The Genesis creation story provides the first key to the Hebrew cosmology. The order of creation makes no sense from a conventional perspective but is perfectly logical from a flat-earth viewpoint. The earth was created on the first day, and it was “without form and void (Genesis 1:2).” On the second day, a vault the “firmament” of the King James version was created to divide the waters, some being above and some below the vault. Only on the fourth day were the sun, moon, and stars created, and they were placed “in” (not “above”) the vault.

>> No.18848558

Thinly veiled F. Gardner thread.

>> No.18848565
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>>18848557
>The Vault of Heaven

>The vault of heaven is a crucial concept. The word “firmament” appears in the King James version of the Old Testament 17 times, and in each case it is translated from the Hebrew word raqiya, which meant the visible vault of the sky. The word raqiya comes from riqqua, meaning “beaten out.” In ancient times, brass objects were either cast in the form required or beaten into shape on an anvil. A good craftsman could beat a lump of cast brass into a thin bowl. Thus, Elihu asks Job, “Can you beat out [raqa] the vault of the skies, as he does, hard as a mirror of cast metal (Job 37:18)?”

>Elihu's question shows that the Hebrews considered the vault of heaven a solid, physical object. Such a large dome would be a tremendous feat of engineering. The Hebrews (and supposedly Yahweh Himself) considered it exactly that, and this point is hammered home by five scriptures:

>Job 9:8, “...who by himself spread out the heavens [shamayim]...”
>Psalm 19:1, “The heavens [shamayim] tell out the glory of God, the vault of heaven [raqiya] reveals his handiwork.”
>Psalm 102:25, “...the heavens [shamayim] were thy handiwork.”
>Isaiah 45:12, “I, with my own hands, stretched out the heavens [shamayim] and caused all their host to shine...”
>Isaiah 48:13, “...with my right hand I formed the expanse of the sky [shamayim]...”

>If these verses are about a mere illusion of a vault, they are surely much ado about nothing. Shamayim comes from shameh, a root meaning to be lofty. It literally means the sky. Other passages complete the picture of the sky as a lofty, physical dome. God “sits throned on the vaulted roof of earth [chuwg], whose inhabitants are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the skies [shamayim] like a curtain, he spreads them out like a tent to live in...[Isaiah 40:22].” Chuwg literally means “circle” or “encompassed.” By extension, it can mean roundness, as in a rounded dome or vault. Job 22:14 says God “walks to and fro on the vault of heaven [chuwg].” In both verses, the use of chuwg implies a physical object, on which one can sit and walk. Likewise, the context in both cases requires elevation. In Isaiah, the elevation causes the people below to look small as grasshoppers. In Job, God's eyes must penetrate the clouds to view the doings of humans below. Elevation is also implied by Job 22:12: “Surely God is at the zenith of the heavens [shamayim] and looks down on all the stars, high as they are.”

>> No.18848570

this jehovah retard again

>> No.18848573

>>18848565
cont. from previous
>This picture of the cosmos is reinforced by Ezekiel's vision. The Hebrew word raqiya appears five times in Ezekiel, four times in Ezekiel 1:22-26 and once in Ezekiel 10:1. In each case the context requires a literal vault or dome. The vault appears above the “living creatures” and glitters “like a sheet of ice.” Above the vault is a throne of sapphire (or lapis lazuli). Seated on the throne is “a form in human likeness,” which is radiant and “like the appearance of the glory of the Lord.” In short, Ezekiel saw a vision of God sitting throned on the vault of heaven, as described in Isaiah 40:22.

>The Shape of the Earth

>Disregarding the dome, the essential flatness of the earth's surface is required by verses like Daniel 4:10-11. In Daniel, the king “saw a tree of great height at the centre of the earth...reaching with its top to the sky and visible to the earth's farthest bounds.” If the earth were flat, a sufficiently tall tree would be visible to “the earth's farthest bounds,” but this is impossible on a spherical earth. Likewise, in describing the temptation of Jesus by Satan, Matthew 4:8 says, “Once again, the devil took him to a very high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world [cosmos] in their glory.” Obviously, this would be possible only if the earth were flat. The same is true of Revelation 1:7: “Behold, he is coming with the clouds! Every eye shall see him...”

>The Celestial Bodies

>The Hebrews considered the celestial bodies relatively small. The Genesis creation story indicates the size and importance of the earth relative to the celestial bodies in two ways, first by their order of creation, and second by their positional relationships. They had to be small to fit inside the vault of heaven. Small size is also implied by Joshua 10:12, which says that the sun stood still “in Gibeon” and the moon “in the Vale of Aijalon.”

>Further, the Bible frequently presents celestial bodies as exotic living beings. For example, “In them [the heavens], a tent is fixed for the sun, who comes out like a bridegroom from his wedding canopy, rejoicing like a strong man to run his race. His rising is at one end of the heavens, his circuit touches their farthest ends; and nothing is hidden from his heat (Psalm 19:4-6).” The stars are anthropomorphic demigods. When the earth's cornerstone was laid “the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted aloud (Job 38:7).” The morning star is censured for trying to set his throne above that of other stars:

>You thought in your own mind, I will scale the heavens; I will set my throne high above the stars of God, I will sit on the mountain where the gods meet in the far recesses of the north. I will rise high above the cloud-banks and make myself like the most high (Isaiah 14:13-14).

>> No.18848582

>>18848573
>Deuteronomy 4:15-19 recognizes the god-like status of stars, noting that they were created for other peoples to worship.

>Stars can fall from the skies according to Daniel 8:10 and Matthew 24:29. The same idea is found in the following extracts from Revelation 6:13-16:

>...the stars in the sky fell to the earth, like figs shaken down by a gale; the sky vanished, as a scroll is rolled up...they called out to the mountains and the crags, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of the One who sits on the throne...”
This is consistent with the Hebrew cosmology previously described, but it is ludicrous in the light of modern astronomy. If one star let alone all the stars in the sky “fell” on the earth, no one would be hollering from any mountain or crag. The writer considered the stars small objects, all of which could fall to the earth without eradicating human life. He also viewed the sky as a physical object. The stars are inside the sky, and they fall before the sky opens. When it is whisked away, it reveals the One throned above (see Isaiah 40:22).

>> No.18848593

/lit/bros, I have a flat earther friend who used to keep his mouth shut but now takes roids for jiu jitsu tournaments and has since developed insufferable "confidence." How do I deal with this?

>> No.18848602

>>18848593
Sounds like he could kick your ass. Maybe you should get on your knees and suck his cock sissy boy.

>> No.18848606

>>18848593
F gardener?

>> No.18848612

>>18848582
Full text:
https://www.ic.unicamp.br/~stolfi/misc/misc/FlatEarth/FlatEarthAndBible.html

>> No.18848670

>>18848520
>curvature
There's no curvature. It's just too far to see that it's actually flat. Go closer and you'll see

>> No.18848673

Bible points to a stationary earth that isn't heliocentric and isn't a ball
That the sun and moon are both luminaries and might not even be physical
That a firmament exists
True with some insight and observable
What the earth is besides that who knows

>> No.18848684

>>18848557
>>18848565
>>18848573
>>18848582
He asked you to post a verse you illiterate inbred, not paste your life story.

Post one verse that says it. A VERSE and cite it properly. Not commentary from your homosexual jews

>> No.18848699

>>18848492
I've been to space faggot. The earth is clearly round.

>> No.18848709

>>18848699
Are you in space now? I'm not and it's clearly NOT round

>> No.18848714

>>18848684
Sometimes information doesn't come in bite-sized pieces. Sorry, little man. Learn to read.

>> No.18848720

>>18848714
>no verse
Gotcha

>> No.18848742

>>18848720
>can't read
There are several cited in the commentary. Seriously, are you retarded?

>> No.18848768

>>18848709
I've been to space faggot. Saw it clearly that it was round.

>> No.18848769

>>18848742
There are none brainlet, now gtfo back to plebbit and stay there

>> No.18848793

>>18848769
So this is the power of globe-earthers...

>> No.18848799

>>18848793
Out

>> No.18848808

>>18848799
Out of the literature board? For people who can actually read? I'm here. You leave, you'll get tons of upvotes in r/science

>> No.18848816

>>18848768
Are you in space now idiot? I don't care what the earth was like when you went to space.

>> No.18848823

>>18848808
Out bitch. I read all the verses you posted and not even one supported your assertion. You've been humiliated. Don't post again on my board subhuman.

>> No.18848826

>>18848823
Try refuting it. You can't

>> No.18848858

>>18848826
The refutation is: none of the verses say it, so it's therefore not stated.

>> No.18848885

>>18848858
False. There's something called subtext, which is when words have implicit meaning, like Matthew 4:8:
>“Once again, the devil took him to a very high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world [cosmos] in their glory.”
This is only possible if the earth is flat.

>> No.18848918

>>18848885
All the kingdoms of the world were in Eurasia and North Africa. Perfectly visible from that very high mountain with the help of the devil. Or do you mean he couldn't see the epic kingdoms in Australia, South Africa, and America?

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>I should pluck out my eyes than let myself fall into hell by lust? Why yes of course my lord!

>> No.18849266

>>18848816
K i am now. Clearly round.

>> No.18850078

>>18848768
Was probably just a temporary thing when you went to space. I can see with my own eyes that the eart is flat now

>> No.18851349

>>18849266
I'm not and it's clearly NOT round. Who am I going to believe? My eyes or some faggot who is not me?

>> No.18852637

>>18848434
It doesn't tho

>> No.18852935

>>18848492
Girls have DICKS, you dumb faggot.

>muh porn
>muh biology textbooks
All fake. Have you ever get laid? If you are browsing the site I think not. If you choose to be an idiot and believe others instead of your own eyes then yes you're a retard, a soulless fag, a weak bitch, and an idiot. Rope yourself.

>> No.18852952

>>18848492
>>inb4 m-muh satellites
You can see satellites with your own eyes. And the motion of stars. And the difference in length of shadows on the ground.
How do you think we figured out the Earth is round in the first place? There are shitloads of easily replicated tests for this. Nobody is obligated to respect your anti-intellectualism.

>> No.18853143

>>18848670
Holy based

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>>18852935
This but unironically.

>> No.18853451

>>18852952
>And the difference in length of shadows on the ground
Nigga the earth is flat and the sun orbits above as if suspended on a mobile

>> No.18853525

>>18848593
Inform the tournment organisers that your friend is taking roids.

>> No.18853566

>>18848492
https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/m48ttv/how_the_ancient_greeks_knew_the_earth_was_round/

>> No.18853976

>>18853566
Debunked decades ago. Try harder

>> No.18854641

>>18852935
>Have you ever get laid?
Yes. Girls don't have dicks, sorry tranny boy

>> No.18854654

>>18852952
>You can see satellites with your own eyes. And the motion of stars. And the difference in length of shadows on the ground.
None of these mean anything
>Nobody is obligated to respect your anti-intellectualism.
LMAO like anyone asked for your respect you fucking clown

>> No.18854659

>>18853566
>r/Damnthatsinteresting
Damn I'm not clicking that shit

>> No.18854667

>>18848593
>>18853525
amatuer tournaments don't usually have the resources for effective drug testing. i used to compete in amateur muay thai, and i always hated that i could be fighting these roidy assholes. not to mention one card i was fighting on with a another guy from my gym, the guy snorts a shitload of coke right before his fight, and of course he won. such bullshit, but what are you going to do the promoter is barely breaking even on this shit as it is.