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[Anonymous No.18798410]

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[Anonymous No.18798575]

I often think about writing or search for books with nonhuman protagonists.

However, it is somewhat pointless, as the character doesn't "need" to be a human, yet the novelty of it still hasn't worn off for me yet. How do you feel about this? Any books with nonhuman protagonists?

[Anonymous No.18798596]

>>18798575
I've been meaning to get around to trying the Og-Grim-Dog series, named for the protagonist who is an ogre with three independent heads.

[Anonymous No.18798641]

>>18798575
Half of The Gods Themselves is about a completely alien set of creatures

[Anonymous No.18798662]

Regarding this discussion of being forced to remove chapters from web novel sites (like Royal Road) when self-publishing: it only applies to Kindle Unlimited (which is a service where users pay some low amount like 10 or 20 bucks a year to have unlimited access to all books on KU, the author gets a certain amount of money per every page people read, which is way different from the usual model).

[Anonymous No.18798664]

Bayaz, First of the Bankers: The goyim, they are like cattle

[Anonymous No.18798671]

>>18798662
True but K.U is where self published authors get most of their revenue from.

[Anonymous No.18798677]

>>18798671
Really depends on the author, I know that Laplante tried to go back but supposedly didn't earn as much as with KU so he removed his stories again. Little difference to me since they are available for free if you know where to look.

[Anonymous No.18798679]

>>18798671
The biggest issue with KU is that Amazon has a fucking awful recommendation algorithm that basically spams the same half a dozen titles at people. If you get lucky and it recommends you, you're successful purely because *everyone* is getting your book popping up in the recommendation feed, while the rest of the content it basically impossible to find.

[Anonymous No.18798683]

>>18798671
I wonder, some people earn thousands from Patreon, while not getting many reviews on Amazon. And obviously web novel sites are a better place to reach more people and gain more patrons.
I think that like with most things, it's not nearly as clear-cut as you make it sound.

[Anonymous No.18798691]

>>18798683
>some people earn thousands from Patreon
I obviously meant thousands every month, that's how that works, people pledge to pay a set amount every month to support artists and the like and in exchange get chapters earlier.

[Anonymous No.18798700]

>>18798677
>>18798683
Fair points. I should have said *most* self published authors. There are certainly exceptions. Patreon is an interesting case. I would guess that you only need a smaller, but more active, fanbase to earn decent money there but Amazon etc give you a wider audience but less money per person.

[Anonymous No.18798713]

>>18798700
>Patreon is an interesting case. I would guess that you only need a smaller, but more active, fanbase to earn decent money there
Patreon is basically the shining example of that. Smaller, nicher, more autistic fanbases throw money around like you wouldn't believe. The patreon sub fees aren't even the large part of the income, that comes from comissions.
t. Know someone who draws gay furry porn for commission. Not even kidding.

[Anonymous No.18798738]

>>18798713
Isn't the problem with Patreon for an author that you are then held hostage to those fans? Having to regularly produce content on a set schedule instead of being able to write what you want and at your own pace.

[Anonymous No.18798742]

>>18798738
Yeah that's why generally it decreases in quality while most other authors get better with time.

[Anonymous No.18798749]

>>18798738
Only if that's what you yourself committed to from the beginning. You set your own pace by definition, obviously some formats will let to extract maximum value from the consumer base, but you aren't forced to go that path, it's a choice.
It's no different to being self employed, you decide your own business model. There's patreons that make huge money while releasing all their content for free, for doing something that the creators would do even if the patron got zero income.

[Anonymous No.18798753]

>>18798749
>even if the patron got zero income
Isn't patron the one who gives money?

[Anonymous No.18798771]

>>18798753
It's a typo. This is the patreon for the english casting of Starcraft: Brood war tournaments. The guys who do this release the vods for free on youtube and openly state they would continue to do it even if they weren't getting money for it. The point is, you're only locked into a release schedule on Patreon if that's the type of release you yourself committed to.

[Anonymous No.18798776]

>>18798771
Yeah, but it's probably easier to get patrons if they 'get' something in return.
Though I guess being x chapters ahead but no regular schedule could be a perk too.

[Anonymous No.18798795]

>>18798771
fuck me. I never realised brood war was so popular.

[Anonymous No.18798874]

>Outsphere is well rated basically everywhere
>Try it since i want some modern sci fi for a change
>It's some of the most atrocious writing i've ever read
>"Maybe the french translation was made by a moron"
>French is the original language

[Anonymous No.18798916]

>>18798776
I know a lot of patreons who only get access to videos a day in advance and some discord shit, maybe behind the camera clips for content that is actually filmed IRL, but that's rare.
It depends on what you're selling, but for video content it doesn't make sense to paywall any of it because your content is your advertisement, and nobody will buy something if they can just get it for free from another guy.
I know this last part seems to contradict the whole idea of patreon, but it doesn't. There's a big psychological difference between outright buying something, and giving money to someone to support them because you like their content and want them to be able to make more of it.

Much of the criticism of patreon is from autists who don't understand the last part. They see some useless minor rewards and think people must be morons for paying x sum of money for that when in reality the patreons pay for the "free" content, understanding that it only exists because the creator doesn't have to slave away all day in a factory to pay bills, and the patreon rewards are just a "thank you for supporting me" instead of a product being sold.

[Anonymous No.18798936]

>>18798874
Serves you right for being French.

[Anonymous No.18798951]

>>18798664
I appreciate First Law shitposting

[Anonymous No.18798981]

>>18798874
>Try it since i want some modern
You were warned but you decide to not heed the warnings. You only have yourself to blame.

[Anonymous No.18798984]

>>18798936
Calm down lindybeige

[Anonymous No.18799005]

>>18798916
>understanding that it only exists because the creator doesn't have to slave away all day in a factory to pay bills, and the patreon rewards are just a "thank you for supporting me" instead of a product being sold.

You can't actually believe this, Patreon only works if you've already got a extremely well developed profitable audience. They're very, very few successful Patreon accounts who are dependent on Patreon, they're just double-dipping.

[Anonymous No.18799009]

>>18798575
Pic related is pretty good. Haven't read the sequel or any other of the books in the same setting, but enjoyed this one - the main char is a non-human humanoid in a semi-hard sci-fi setting (albeit one with terrible sense of scale)

[Anonymous No.18799037]

First for Chinese LNs

[Anonymous No.18799056]

>>18799005
Like another Anon said, there's a ton of accounts that cater to niche autistic interests that make bank on patreon, but unless you are into that niche interest you wouldn't know they exist. I personally know of a hand full of accounts that get youtube views in the tens of thousands range and make 3-10k a month on patreon. I know several of them started doing it as a hobby and then either quit their dayjob (if it was shit) or reduced their working hours (if they actually liked it).

I assume there are many such accounts that I simply never learn about, because basically nobody (by youtube standards) knows about the ones I follow either.

Of course there's even more accounts that just never take off on youtube OR patreon, for no apparent reason. I follow a couple that put out incredibly good content, but they don't get as many views are far worse channels that do the same (but far more than the niche channels I follow) and don't make money on patreon either (unlike the niche channels I follow), so clearly there's some special parameters that play into what pays and what doesn't. I think that's appeal to autistic fringe groups that are passionate but aren't served by anyone else who is competent.

[Anonymous No.18799061]

>>18799056
>so clearly there's some special parameters that play into what pays and what doesn't
As with literally everything in life: luck.

[Anonymous No.18799064]

>>18799061
There's a luck element to it, your niche audience has to actually find you, but if you suck they won't stay around, let alone pay you (unless you make porn, in my experience there's no porn that is so bad that nobody will pay for it).

[Anonymous No.18799066]

>>18799064
I'm not saying it's all luck, obviously they must make something people like.

[Anonymous No.18799100]

I'm looking for a sci-fi series similar to Ender's saga
I'm not sure how to explain it, but in the sense that the story revolves more about the components instead of the world, with smart characters or a single character solving problems.

[Anonymous No.18799125]

>>18799100
Maybe Iron Prince. Its as if Ender's Game only cared about the battle school combat with some mild litrpg / cultivator elements thrown in. Only 1 book so far but there are hints alien combat and a wider world will feature later on.

[Anonymous No.18799143]

>>18799125
I'm more talking about the entirety of the problems in the series instead of just military. Hegemony, undeveloped aliens with a completely different physiology, finding a fitting planet, etc. Yet it only follows a handful of characters.
I sort of liked the space odyssey in the same way I guess.
From what I've heard consider phlebas is something that could be what I'm looking for?

[Anonymous No.18799163]

>>18798575
A Night in the Lonesome October

[Anonymous No.18799183]

>>18799143
Well the Culture books are an amazing series, and I can certainly recommend them highly, I'm not sure they fit what you're after. All those problems are already solved, the Culture is a Utopia.

You're describing series more like Foundation and Dune.

[Anonymous No.18799231]

>>18799183
Culture is a communistic dystopia.. humans are just pets of AI’s....

[Anonymous No.18799250]

>>18799183
I don't know, problem is I did not enjoy dune, too focused on world building and other than paul I didn't really like any of the characters. I slogged through the first two books.
I read the first foundation book when I was just starting out reading and didn't like it but that was when I could barely read books so maybe I should give it another go.

[Anonymous No.18799274]

>>18799250
Give the Culture books a go then but be warned, Consider Phlebas is probably the worst of the lot.

Maybe take a look at:

Lensman
Hyperion
A Fire Upon the Deep
Revelation Space

[Anonymous No.18799275]

>>18799231
This. IT's fucking garbage, you are literally allowed a time to live even though there is technology to live forever, you every move is done to appease your overlord and if you disagree they literally force you to comply, you live in bliss simply because you are ignorant of what freedom is. Every time you get in contact with some other civilization you literally destroy and rape their history culture and society to fit the molds your ai gods ordained, and of course you take away their life extension technology after it to make sure their ideas and philosophies die outright, so their new generations will be breed as pets for the amusement of the ais.
Honestly antihalation would be a kinder alternative.

[Anonymous No.18799277]

>>18799231
If you think the Culture world is a dystopia the world loses all meaning. Humans cannot not be enslaved by circumstance, but the degree of servitude is lower in the Culture than in any other work of fiction I read. Why is it worse to depend on sentient beings than dead matter? You are dependent either way.

[Anonymous No.18799337]

>>18799037
>protag names his pets “big black” “little black” and “fatty”

Ahhhh perfect

[Anonymous No.18799359]

żyję drugi dzień na słodkiej herbatce bo nie chce mi się iść do sklepu

[Anonymous No.18799436]

Anyone have the recommend reading order chart for Conan? I've seen it before but apparently didn't save it.

[Anonymous No.18799448]

Can I get some reccs for a fantasy novella please?

[Anonymous No.18799649]

>>18799436
theres no order just read them as you please

[Anonymous No.18799650]

>>18799448
Bakker
Wolfe
Tolkien

[Anonymous No.18799661]

>For me? It's R Scott Bakker. Intelligent, Nihilistic and with a Wicked Sense of Humor.

[Anonymous No.18799680]

>>18799650
>>18799661
What are the bakker books about even

[Anonymous No.18799687]

>>18799680
Mostly rape.

[Anonymous No.18799692]

>>18799680
They are about many things: Salvation, Damnation, Death, Philosophy, Self moving souls, Horrors, Oblivion, Sorcery.

[Anonymous No.18799722]

>>18799680
This >>18799692 and rape.

[Anonymous No.18799731]

>>18799722
Rape happens among many other vile things

[Anonymous No.18799752]

[Anonymous No.18799754]

>>18799680
Unironically male-on-male rape. I'm 3.5 chapters in now trying the book out and there have been 2 instances of male rape, 2 pseudo-sexual man on man interactions, and anytime anyone is angry they start yelling about whores.

Also the - "But where is my faceeeeeee!!" line had me laughing my ass off

[Anonymous No.18799816]

>>18799754
First was some perverted Bardic priest during the first apocalypse when only he and the boy are left alive in the fortress.
Second one wa some beggar talking about his ”peach” and there is some beggar boy who has a peach looking birth mark?

[Anonymous No.18799912]

Finally finished this book
enjoyed some parts but hated all the padding and constantly throwing names and events before giving context
What should I read next? looking for something fun and light to take a break

[Anonymous No.18799942]

>>18799912
The Warrior Prophet.

[Anonymous No.18799969]

>>18798410
>Book Club
Seveneves, August 15
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/22816087-seveneves

[Anonymous No.18799989]

>>18799912
Kids these days are way too fucking pampered with Sandersoys and other modern YA books.
>Oh no this new world or character isn’t explained to me in detail right away
I’m sure you would fine Malazan challenging also when not everything is explicitly told

[Anonymous No.18800030]

>>18799912
You would LOVE Mistborn. Every new word is explained when it is mentioned.

[Anonymous No.18800063]

>>18799912
Try Sarah J Maas, it has no bigotry like Bakker books

[Anonymous No.18800076]

>you don't understand. being obtuse means it's good...

[Anonymous No.18800207]

>>18799816
Exactamundo, and I got strong gay vibes from the Achamian/Spy and Kelhaus/Trapper guys scenes as well. I stopped around here when I first picked the book up ages ago, but with all the shilling for Bakker I see in these threads I decided to give it a more serious shot.

I plan to keep reading at least until midway through this time so I can say for sure if I don't like the book. I find the setting/overall plot interesting enough. I like the prose overall, but I am seeing an overuse of ellipses and every now and then Bakker throws in a real head scratcher meaningless line in. But if this endless fascination with gay rape continues I'm gonna have to put it down, I don't mind it being in stories but it is creepily center stage so far.

[Anonymous No.18800265]

>>18800207
>Two males interacted
>Oops, looks like they're hard gay
Fujo moment

[Anonymous No.18800281]

>>18799037
chinese novels are kinda bad tho
translations suck most of the time and the novels are really garbo as well
I find myself having more fun reading amateur novels from royalroad than from novelupdates

[Anonymous No.18800288]

>>18799912
You should at least continue to the next book. All of the buildup pays off.

[Anonymous No.18800289]

>>18799989
malazan is not fun because each book has set of different characters that you are supposed to care about

[Anonymous No.18800298]

>>18800288
is r scott repressed homosexual?
i get the vibe from his book that he's closeted homosexual

[Anonymous No.18800309]

>>18800298
I don't know, but the beginning of The Warrior Prophet has one of the best battle scenes I've read.

[Anonymous No.18800312]

>>18800309
it read like some cheap anime battle to me (worse than fan translated LN)

[Anonymous No.18800322]

>>18800265
>“W-what should I do?” the trapper wept. “Kellhus . . . Please tell me!”
>Thirty years, Father. What power you must wield over men such as this.
>And Kellhus, his bearded face warm with firelight and compassion, answered: “No one’s soul moves alone, Leweth. When one love dies, one must learn to love another.”
>After a time the hearth fire burned low, and the two of them sat silently, listening to the gathering fury of yet another storm.
>“Wessst!” he gasped. He leaned back to look into the monk’s face, still clutching him. He did not feel shame. There was no shame with this man. “W-we must g-go west,” he continued, putting his forehead to the monk’s lips.

[Anonymous No.18800341]

Was Cnaiur being not-gay when he raped Conphas?

[Anonymous No.18800363]

>>18800322
If Kellhus needed to fuck that guy he would have, but since he didn't that means it's not gay.

[Anonymous No.18800366]

>>18798575
check out The Crucible of Time by John Brunner and The Helliconia trilogy by Brian Aldiss. Really dense, extensive history of non human societies.

[Anonymous No.18800373]

>Characters who have fucked another man
Kellhus
Achamian
Cnaiur
Proyas
Conphas
...

[Anonymous No.18800383]

>>18799989
It is bad writing
you just like it because it filters people so it makes you feel special for enduring it
but getting through isn't challenging, it's just tedious because it doesn't try to keep you engaged with interesting stuff, just baits you to keep going so you can find out what is it talking about

[Anonymous No.18800406]

>>18800322
Your quote was correct until the last > which was your own insert and is not in the books.

[Anonymous No.18800440]

What are the essential dying earth books?

[Anonymous No.18800446]

>>18800440
Book of the New Sun by Wolfe
The Dying Earth by Vance

[Anonymous No.18800467]

What's a good book?

[Anonymous No.18800479]

>>18800467
The Darkness That Comes Before

[Anonymous No.18800485]

>>18800479
no

[Anonymous No.18800487]

>>18800322
Why do you come here with your lies? You have modified the quote from the book, adding your own homosexual fantasies.

[Anonymous No.18800491]

>>18800467
Necronomicon by Lovecraft

[Anonymous No.18800496]

>>18800485
No as in nobody asked your opinion on the matter. Either give your own recommendation or stay silent. You are not helping this new guy with your womanish whimpering.

[Anonymous No.18800503]

>>18800467
The Lions of Al-Rassan

[Anonymous No.18800515]

>>18800406
>>18800487
It's rea. To be fair, the last bullet happens like 2 pages later once they are ambushed, all the other lines are consecutive when they are alone in the cabin.

[Anonymous No.18800518]

>>18800496
are you unironically trying to sound like cnaiur? yikes

[Anonymous No.18800535]

>>18800440
La Mort de la Terre by Rosny

[Anonymous No.18800542]

>>18800515
True the last lines exist in the book but they are taken out of contest. In the latter part Lew is literally dying. Still the message above was misinformation because it provided not enough context

[Anonymous No.18800544]

are the atevi literally just chinese people?

[Anonymous No.18800554]

>>18800518
Still better self insert that Achamian.

[Anonymous No.18800555]

>>18800542
AHEM, MISINFORMATION FACK CHECKED!!! BAKKER IS BASED WITH FULL CONTEXT

[Anonymous No.18800579]

>>18800544
>black elves
>chinks
Are you claiming that only because in all the memes chinks are good at math.

[Anonymous No.18800594]

>>18800555
cope
cope
made you look

[Anonymous No.18800605]

>>18799009
Dope series. Book two is okay, but book 3 is the best as it goes deeper into the mentality of the kif and why they're such fuckers

[Anonymous No.18800622]

>>18799037
Go read your Peerless Cultivation Emperor elsewhere
Chinese LNs have betrayed me and I don't want to hear about them ever again.

[Anonymous No.18800629]

>>18799037
>I like my stories with zero conflict

[Anonymous No.18800638]

>>18800622
>Chinese LNs have betrayed me
Elaborate.

[Anonymous No.18800690]

>>18800467
Carnacki the Ghost-Finder.

[Anonymous No.18800784]

this shit good?

[Anonymous No.18800799]

why are bakkerfags so defensive

[Anonymous No.18801005]

Would you call any genre with a future setting “science fiction” or is science fiction explicitly fiction that deals with science the way fantasy might deal with magic?

[Anonymous No.18801045]

>>18801005
i'm new to sci-fi books but I would call a book with a future setting a sci-fi, even if it doesn't have complex science.

[Anonymous No.18801095]

>>18801045
I am just not understanding the distinction between fantasy and sci-fi then to be honest. I realize that fantasy is commonly medieval, historical, sword and sorcery type stuff but from what I understand, it need not be that. Contemporary settings can also be fantasy. So why is something no longer fantasy just because the setting is the future rather present or past?

[Anonymous No.18801111]

>>18801095
because fantasy and sci-fi are really the same thing and any attempt at distinction is meaningless

[Anonymous No.18801154]

>Check general for the first time
>Multiple Bakker posts

Based.

[Anonymous No.18801160]

>>18800063
What type of bigotry are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.18801178]

>>18801095
some books can fit in both, some people call Dune a Fantasy/Sci-fi book

[Anonymous No.18801186]

>>18801178
The proper term is Science Fantasy

[Anonymous No.18801190]

>>18801186
thanks, first time hearing it

[Anonymous No.18801196]

>>18800341
Cnaiur was bi-sexual.

[Anonymous No.18801214]

>>18801190
You should read Slaves of Sleep, Harold Shea, and Operation Chaos, to get some more understanding of Science Fantasy

[Anonymous No.18801270]

>>18801214
thanks, they look more fantasy than science fiction, unlike Dune which is more science fiction.

[Anonymous No.18801333]

>>18801186
>the proper term
ok Poindexter

[Anonymous No.18801615]

>>18800605
The non-carbon sentients were the best part to me, they were bizarre and funny and it was great

[Anonymous No.18801639]

[Anonymous No.18802121]

Anything like (or hopefully as good) as this?, already read most of Dunsany's other works.

[Anonymous No.18802184]

>>18798410
Any fantasy that has a world which is similar to the one in Adventure Time, that has childlike whimsicalness and innocence?

The only one that comes to mind is Alice in Wonderland

[Anonymous No.18802200]

>>18802121
MacDonald's Lilith but it'll probably give you crippling feelings of existential dread.

[Anonymous No.18802395]

>>18802121
>>18802121
Lyonesse trilogy by Vance

[Anonymous No.18802441]

Do good fantasy novellas simply not exist? You guys gave me meme answers.

[Anonymous No.18802675]

>>18802441
Fuck off, bating shitter.

[Anonymous No.18802704]

>>18802441
Are novellas even much of a thing in general anymore? Either go with short stories or short novels.

[Anonymous No.18802732]

>>18802121
E.R. Eddison, maybe? Especially Mistress of Mistresses.

[Anonymous No.18802933]

trying to get back on the writing horse
reading both something old and something new. as for the old that's taken care of
but something new, I need fantasy reccs from 2000s and beyond that aren't garbage
pls

[Anonymous No.18802971]

Thank you for the memes, lads. I finished this today and I'm out of words. It is without a doubt the best fantasy book I've ever read. Do the sequels hold up?

[Anonymous No.18803005]

>>18802971
>It is without a doubt the best fantasy book I've ever read
why?

[Anonymous No.18803048]

>>18803005
Because Bakker writes with a depth and characterization that is truly staggering. His characters are as complete intellectually, emotionally, and philosophically as I could have possibly imagined. The world-building was unbelievable, as each region and race had their own history, reasoning, and stance to the events that unfolded during the course of the novel. It is rather overwhelming and required a great effort from the myself as a reader, but in the end, the effort paid off with a truly amazing ending.

[Anonymous No.18803088]

>>18802971
Welcome to the club, Bakkerchad.

>Do the sequels hold up?
Book number 2 is the best book he has ever wrote. The third one wraps up everything nicely too. Both are superior to the first, in my opinion.

[Anonymous No.18803102]

>>18802184
Through the Looking-Glass

[Anonymous No.18803257]

>>18803048
Nice try, Bakker.

[Anonymous No.18803260]

>Literally rent-free

[Anonymous No.18803271]

>>18803257
Non sequitur.

[Anonymous No.18803294]

>>18801615
>gib me dat

[Anonymous No.18803330]

This is my second go at reading William Hope Hodgson. My first was The Ghost Pirates, which I liked.
Would recommend. As far as detective stories go the introduction is absolutely right, you have literally no idea if the haunting is going to turn out to be real or faked by the reveal. Some of the twists are wild. Also, as far as spooky stories go I was made a little spooked.
It's also a fun read.

[Anonymous No.18803490]

>remember science fiction novels I read years ago in vivid detail
>forget fantasy novels a week after reading them
Anyone else like this? I don't even hate fantasy, I like reading it

[Anonymous No.18803541]

Most __fun__ books?

[Anonymous No.18803635]

>>18803541
Bobiverse
Hitchhiker's guide

[Anonymous No.18803660]

>>18803635
I wan interested in bobiverse, but then I heard it has shit like a marvel reference or some pop culture references. Is that like one page? Or a regular thing like the martian?

[Anonymous No.18803719]

>>18803541
In a Glass Darkly, Garrett PI
I love a slow build to an absolutely bonkers finale.

[Anonymous No.18803746]

Okay I've finished Aspect-Emperor, I got some questions
What the fuck is a head on a pole behind you?
Why was Kelmomas invisible to gods? Some retroactive effect of where he ended up?
Was Kellhus having some deal with Ajokil real reason why gods were trying to undermine him?

[Anonymous No.18803802]

>>18803660
It’s regular, the protag is like some redditor who is stuck in his own mind rambling to himself most of the story

[Anonymous No.18803882]

>>18801639
Dior Elúchil needs work…
Otherwise perfect.

[Anonymous No.18804002]

>>18803802
think I might skip it lol

[Anonymous No.18804023]

>>18803660
I've posted about this a few times in this thread.
Here's some examples:
>movie called Castaway
>If you're up on Star Wars and Star Trek, you're golden
>MUST LOOK LIKE SCARY GUY FROM POLTERGEIST 2
>Calvin, Goku, and Linus...Garfield
>actual Vulcans...Roddenberry would be proud

[Anonymous No.18804035]

>>18803746
I have been asking the same questions. I think first and third are related somewhat. Kelmomas was always the No-God because his brain patterns were compatible with No-God, like his ancestor was compatible 4000 years ago. Why was he no god? Maybe the answer lies in the fact that what has happened is determined by what comes after. In book three Moënghus thinks Kellhus deranged.

[Anonymous No.18804057]

>>18803746
In the scene where Kellhus has a pole behind him, he is Outside in Hell. One of the Ciphrang tell him that the living (Kellhus) should not haunt the dead (Ciphrang). This could be related to the fact that Kellhus spent some years studying the Daimos, which are also the years some of mysterious deaths happen off book. Make of that what you wish. The decapitants are probably linked to the pole thing

[Anonymous No.18804070]

>>18802971
Based.

>>18801196
He wasn’t a faggot. Raping Conphas was more of a show of power than anything else.

>>18801160
It was a joke. No one serious would read Maas. Also Bakker’s books are based.

>>18801154
Hi Esmi.

[Anonymous No.18804102]

>Yes, I make cringing Bakkerchuds seethe and cry with facts and reason.

[Anonymous No.18804108]

>>18804057
I got it that main scene where it's mentioned is flashback of him entering Outside via sorcery. However there is small mentions later that it's behind all seeing, and that him learning about it was some extreme metaphysical achievement, so I got it that it's not a literal head on a pole but some transcendent concept.

[Anonymous No.18804218]

Just started Conan. The hyborian age holy fuck he just keeps going and going about this kingdom and that kingdom for like 20 pages now. These are like the ramblings of an autistic man. Does this shit get better?

[Anonymous No.18804236]

>>18804218
>holy fuck he just keeps going and going about this kingdom and that kingdom for like 20 pages now. These are like the ramblings of an autistic man. Does this shit get better?
/sffg/ — Science Fiction and Fantasy General

Welcome fren

[Anonymous No.18804249]

>>18800503
good recc

[Anonymous No.18804281]

>>18798410
Spay and/or Neuter your catgirl.

[Anonymous No.18804629]

>>18804035
>>18803746
Kelmomas thing is related to the outside being atemporal. "Before" and "after" simply do not apply, to the gods it appears like everything happens at once because there straight up isn't such a thing as "time". Even Kellhus calls the the Daimos "maddening".

I think he lifted the idea from neo-platonism. If you want a more practical explanation "block time" might work. There's youtube videos explaining it why it might be the way our universe functions too.

As to why the No God is invisible to the gods: I don't know. I don't know what exactly happens when it is activated or how it works.

[Anonymous No.18804637]

>>18804070
>He wasn’t a faggot. Raping Conphas was more of a show of power than anything else.
Cnaiur is a homo gaylord. Whether he was that way before he was groomed is another question, because even our world homosexuals procreate by grooming minors. But he is what he is and has sexual feelings towards a number of men.

[Anonymous No.18804667]

>>18803541
I always find mindless sword and sorcery like the Red Sonja series from David Smith and Richard Tierney good.

[Anonymous No.18804699]

>>18804629
>As to why the No God is invisible to the gods: I don't know. I don't know what exactly happens when it is activated or how it works.
Pretty sure they just said "It's Tekne I ain't gonna explain shit". Inchoroi managed to create machines that can interact with Outside, this is one of those except it required very particular Subject to properly function, because function with so much metaphysical impact couldn't have been achieved by machinery alone
>>18804637
I got an impression that he was just so unhinged by encounter with Moёnghus and its consequences, he stopped giving a fuck where to put his dick and just acted on psychotic urges, be it about women, men, Consult bioweapons, whatever.

[Anonymous No.18804823]

>>18804699
No he was always gay. moenghus saw that and exploited it when cnaiurs father refused to let him go. Just the guilt of his lust and how it was used to get him to murder his father causes Cnaiur to massively overcompensate. That’s why he clings so desperately to serwe, and why his sexual interactions are always so violent. Except for when he meets Moe at the end of TTT. You see his real feelings in that fleeting moment.

[Anonymous No.18805044]

>>18802971
>Do the sequels hold up?
Some of them are better actually. You should definitely enjoy The Warrior-Prophet.

[Anonymous No.18805087]

>>18803746

I always thought the head on a pole was Kellhus own head. Acting as an anchor so his soul would not be lost in the outside.

Been a while since I read the books but is there not some bit of the TUC appendix where Kellhus was seen in the Mengedda plains pulling of his own head and swapping it for one of the demonic ones he wears on his hip.

[Anonymous No.18805260]

I want to read something like Conan the barbarian can I get any decent recommendations? Thx

[Anonymous No.18805276]

>>18804699
I don’t remember where it was told in the books but I think it was Kellhus himself who explained that the Gods do not see No God because to them No God does not exist at all, they are unable to see it or understand it. I guess it might have something to do with the fact that the machine is supposed to sever the world from the outside and because outside is atemporal, at some point in the future there are less than 144000 souls and the Inchoroi plan finally works. Kellhus himself said it’s not a question do Inchoroi succeed in their plans but how they succeed.

[Anonymous No.18805513]

Why exactly is the Consult bad? In the world of TSA theirs seems to be the logical course of action. I don't get what the problem is.

[Anonymous No.18805545]

>>18805513
Depends on the point of view. For humans that are not part of the 144 000 this would mean death and most likely damnation. Damnation of course is again a subjective opinion of the god(s) and does not always appear logical. Removing Outside from the world would also deny any afterlife or salvation. It certainly does not appear to be a happy world altogether and big picture whole apocalypse seems to be a big cope for the creators of Inchoroi. Humans of Eärwa try to appease the gods to gain salvation. Not a lot is said or shown about the Fanim who hold a different view, are they saved? Are Cishaurim automatically damned because Psykhe works differently? Nonmem simply try to hide from gods and bypass them into Oblivion. Certainly the Consult does a lot of horrible things and have caused deaths of millions so in that regard you can say they are evil to most people. in short, it is complicated.

[Anonymous No.18805548]

>>18805513
In a grand scheme of things, getting raped by rape aliens for finite period of time is indeed a lesser evil compared to getting raped by "gods" for infinity. At least for a minority who executes plan, no difference for majority thaat must be wiped out, since gods will have their way with them regardless of outcome.
Humanity didn't consider grand scheme of things in their encounter with Consult's plan however, they only see horrifying forces fucking everything up to a degree where it starts looking like the end of the world, and started resisting. Those who actually learned about it, formed Consult in first place.

[Anonymous No.18805566]

>>18799009
that's a man drowning in pussy

[Anonymous No.18805582]

>>18800784
Series is collaborative work so quality will vary, but generally yes.

[Anonymous No.18805584]

Did gods fight against Kellhus because he made a deal with Ajokli or for some other reason?

[Anonymous No.18805588]

>>18805566
"Like Gor but with catgirls (having a penis)"

[Anonymous No.18805591]

>>18805545
>Fanim
In dialogues between Meppa and Psatma they reveal that both actually know horrifying and inhuman nature of gods, except Tusk teaches to nonetheless try to appease them so they won't throw you in hell (which seems to be default option), while Fane says fuck it and refers to alleged Solitary God that may or may not exist as a way to be saved from hundred. As of Water bearers, they die to Chorae just like any other magic users which could mean they would get same treatment even if they weren't openly rejecting hundred, their sorcery leaves no trace in the world not because of different source but because they exclude their own perception while performing it, hence they must lose their eyes, it is explained during Kellhus thinking about nature of magic somewhere in TTT.

[Anonymous No.18805603]

>>18805591
Could it be said that Fanimry was the one true religion among humans

[Anonymous No.18805619]

>>18805584
It is mentioned at the very end that other gods might be in confrontation with Ajokil, so I though that too. However there is also mentioned somewhere that historical original Aspect-Emperor was killed by White luck warrior, implying that they just don't like humans getting too much power in any way, be it use of sorcery, use of technology or even a simple political consolidation.
>>18805603
It is unknown if their solitary god even real or it was just some fever dream of mage who was lost in a desert and went blind. Psatma says that Fanim gamble with their salvation, so it can be considered that someone very familiar with outside doesn't outright deny it. If it's actually real then it seems most reasonable so far.

[Anonymous No.18805624]

What if Inverse Fire is a ruse?

[Anonymous No.18805823]

>>18805624
Kellhus and Mimara both saw similar shit while looking into outside despite employing completely different means to do it. Inchoroi device was also showing something like that. If it's a ruse then very realistic one.

[Anonymous No.18805857]

Can not someone who lives in Canada go track down Bakker and ask him the status of the No-God series?

[Anonymous No.18805931]

>Thaidakar is Kelsier
wew

[Anonymous No.18806155]

>>18805931
I also made the mistake of reading Brandon. I read the mistborn trilogy and the first wax and Wayne book + the way of kings.

[Anonymous No.18806330]

>>18805857
i bet bakker has some kind of compound and would shoot any intruder

[Anonymous No.18806668]

>>18805260
I haven’t read these, but in a previous thread someone mentioned Rogues of Merth and Thune’s vision.

I have read David Gemmell, and while he writes novels instead of short stories and heroic fantasy instead of sword & sorcery, I think most readers who like Conan will like his work.

[Anonymous No.18806669]

*teleports behind you*

[Anonymous No.18806678]

>>18806668
Thune’s Vision*
For Gemmell, I recommend starting with Legend.

[Anonymous No.18806821]

>>18805260
karl edward wagners kane

[Anonymous No.18806824]

>>18805513
they are evil fucking insane rapist monsters, only an athiest bugman would think they are the good guys

[Anonymous No.18806836]

>>18806824
They know for a fact that they are predestined to be punished in hell for eternity, and that that's the only way to save themselves.

[Anonymous No.18806848]

>>18806836
all they need to do is kill, the consult are needlessly cruel and depraved and enjoy it.

[Anonymous No.18806858]

>>18806848
For the Inchoroi that's their nature.

[Anonymous No.18806865]

>>18806858
>>18806848
And human nature as well.

[Anonymous No.18806875]

Assume you were a kid in Earwa who had the mark, and were taken by one of the schools of sorcery and trained. Congratulations, you are now damned and will spend eternity in hell no matter what you do. If you had factual knowledge of this, if you knew for sure that this was your fate, why would you not join the Consult? They represent your only hope of escape. Even if you fought them and won you'll still go to hell.

[Anonymous No.18806884]

>>18806875
thats a big if

[Anonymous No.18806892]

>>18806884
That's the case, though. Anyone who uses sorcery is damned.

[Anonymous No.18806903]

>>18806892
the IF is them knowing they are damned, then they have to somehow know about the consults plan to close the world which 99.9% of people know nothing about and then they have to join the consult without getting raped and tortured by sranc/bashrages/inchoroi/crazy nonmen and then the consult have to win while the human doesn't die to the enemies of the consult or crazy consult members in the next 10-15 years

[Anonymous No.18806949]

>>18806330
>>18805857
Bakker lives on his parents tobacco farm after his latest string to books failed to sell, his career as a author is over.

[Anonymous No.18806955]

>>18806903
I'm just using the human example to make it more relatable. The Inchoroi, etc. know for sure because of the Inverse Fire.

[Anonymous No.18806963]

>>18806949
>>18806330
Kinda based desu
How do you know he lives on his parents’ farm though?

[Anonymous No.18806980]

>>18806875
>>18806892
>Do everything in your power to save humanity from rape horde during first apocalypse (Gods can't see Mog but they definitely can see rape horde) but you're a magic user
>Damned
>Fight rape horde to save humanity but out of circumstance you did some depraved shit because your only source of sustenance drives you insane
>Damned but occasionally not damned (probably random)
>Be a prostitute by choice (almost as bad as magic user by Tusk), sell your daughter to slavery, later shelter magic user in holy city, later become very useful for contemporary #1 enemy of gods
>Not damned
This seems to be some fucking ransom respite dreadful implications.
I'm getting it that gods are supposed to be main antagonist, not Consult.

[Anonymous No.18806989]

Brandon sanderson is good

[Anonymous No.18807082]

>>18798410
Just finished Well of Ascension, didn't see that twist coming.
I like Sanderson so far, why do people always harp on him?

[Anonymous No.18807086]

>>18806980
Esmenet is saved because Kellhus prevails and has his own kingdom in the Outside.

[Anonymous No.18807091]

What are some sci-fi series that are simply fun. In the same way that ratchet and clank is fun. Without pop-culture references. Need to detox from /lit/ stuff.
Exploring space or the sea, or a single cool world, doing stuff, chill characters.
Is revenger by reynolds good? That's the only idea I have. Don't know a lot of sci fi.

[Anonymous No.18807159]

Are there any SFF books written like Shah of Shahs? As in the whole story is told by referencing photos/recordings/newspaper clippings/etc.? Since the books isn't really accurate but is quite entertaining, I started thinking that this storytelling could work in genre fiction too.

[Frater Asemlen !XS8vrClKs2 No.18807177]

Do you guys like M.P. shiel? I’ve been getting into his work lately.

[Anonymous No.18807196]

Sci-fi noir recommendations?
I want Dashiell Hammett and Richard Stark in space.

[Anonymous No.18807210]

I just finished pic related and there's a bit i completely didn't get.
When Siri recovers from being molested by Sarasti he and Susan have a conversation which throws at you the idea that from the scramblers' POV the humanity is a malevolent warmonger because speech doesn't make sense to them. Yet the book starts by establishing contact between Susan and what seems to be Rorschach's on-board AI that can speak english, synthesise speech, construct coherent sentences and use jargonisms. So, ehm, what?

[Anonymous No.18807217]

>>18807196
The Eisenhorn books are as close to that descriptor as I've ever read.

[Anonymous No.18807230]

>>18807210
That was the point of the Chinese room
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_room#Chinese_room_thought_experiment

[Anonymous No.18807257]

>Want to read some Discworld
>All that's left are the Wizards books
Fuck

[Anonymous No.18807258]

>>18807210
It's not about speech. They do not have consciousness, and expression of human consciousness such as culture, entertainment, even things like personality etc, seem utterly incomprehensible to them, to the point when they would decide that this might be some kind of informational virus that locals broadcast with malicious intent, or alternatively are afflicted by some parasitic entities inside their minds. As of dialogue on approach, that was indeed Chinese room. Sheer processing ability of aliens was unimaginable, it wasn't hard for them to pull it off.

[Anonymous No.18807276]

>>18798410
any books with well written romance (between a man and a woman)

[Anonymous No.18807282]

>>18807257
Should've read those first so you'd be rid of them. At least Unseen Academicals is alright.

[Anonymous No.18807304]

>>18807230
>>18807258
Fair enough, thanks.

[Anonymous No.18807495]

>>18807257
They're not that bad.

[Anonymous No.18807529]

>>18807282
Fuck this. I didn't want to do this, but... it's time to read The Wee Free Men

[Anonymous No.18807545]

>>18807529
Ach Nag Mag Feegle nar ye be keeping ye wits? The Tiffany books are fine.

[Anonymous No.18807669]

>>18807276
Slaughterhouse Five.

[Anonymous No.18807769]

>>18807196
Neuromancer unironically reads a lot like a noir, so most cyberpunk takes after it too. I can't think of any stories that do the private dick on a case thing, though.

[Anonymous No.18807811]

I must be filtered by Book of the New Sun. I'm about 50% through shadow of the torturer and am getting nothing out of it. A fighting dog got treated, some woman got tortured, and we learn about torture culture. The prose isn't particularly good to me. I was suggested this if I like shingeki and dark souls but the tone doesn't feel similar. Am I brainlet? What is the appeal? I like Russian lit and some dark classics but I'm not really sure what's the point of all this meandering.

I also started red rising. I can't get into the gimmicky color system for classism. The coloring seems like it exists for young audiences to understand, not because it makes sense in-universe. So that's distracting. I heard it has some twists and was also suggested it because of shingeki.

I feel like I'm just big dumb and am not seeing what I am supposed to see. Anyone (erwinchad included) can till me in on how I'm misreading the text. Because I want to enjoy both books more.

[Anonymous No.18807830]

>>18807811
>likes aot
>perpetually filtered
Sasuga, retard-kun.

[Anonymous No.18807838]

>>18807811
Okay let me explain:
Severian is lying to you, he raped Thecla, also the dog was dead and he brought it back to life

[Anonymous No.18807842]

>>18807830
It's more like I liked the potential. The writing is rubbish and 90% of the characters have no arc. But I have no problem admitting I am a wet napkin brain. I want to level up my brain though.

[Anonymous No.18807992]

>>18807811
There is so much stuff happening in that book. It does not open in the first read.

[Anonymous No.18808001]

>>18807811
It's time to read Bakker, anon.

[Anonymous No.18808031]

Fuck E William Brown
New Books Never
Fuck YOU

[Anonymous No.18808200]

I should have started tales of a dying earth sooner. It is delightful, that is the only way I can describe it a delightful series of short stories. I'm already dreading the fact I will finish reading them.

[Anonymous No.18808261]

>>18808031
being this mad over a shit author.

read other stuff.

[Anonymous No.18808267]

>>18807196
Neon Harvest

[Anonymous No.18808274]

>>18807811
BotNS is made to be read twice, and the first book has a lot of passages that don't make sense because he's setting things up for later. Also every missing passage is intentional.

[Anonymous No.18808330]

>>18808274
well fuck. I only intended to read the first book to try it out. Am I basically not even experiencing it forreal unless I complete a good chunk of the books?

[Anonymous No.18808372]

>>18808330
I'd say drop it if you don't like it after the end of the first book.

[Anonymous No.18808428]

>>18807811
Wolfe is an obscurantist, his prose is deliberately hard to understand. People praise him because they spent time trying to unpack his obtuse writings and they need to feel that time was justified.

[Anonymous No.18808534]

>obtains the Absolute
>sets in motion ideologies that define human life for the coming centuries
>absolutely outclasses the mortal intellects arrayed against him
Was he a Dunyain? Could he defeat Khellus?

[Anonymous No.18808559]

>>18807811
Red Rising gets significantly better in the second and third books. It's good fun.

[Anonymous No.18808590]

>>18807811
botns is like when your friend tells you about this "awesome" dream they had but then you have no idea what they're trying to say. Only it's a book, so if you spend time with it, and really think about it, it starts feeling like an actual dream you had.
It's nothing like shingeki, and it's only a bit like dark souls. I personally really liked it though.
But there really isn't any book like dark souls as far as I can tell sadly. Probably a bunch of shingeki YA though.

[Anonymous No.18808595]

Someone recommend me a good standalone fantasy or sci-fi book. I want to take a break from 3+ book series and read something that is good, but self contained.

[Anonymous No.18808600]

>>18808534
He lacks the physical strength and magic of Khellus but would overwhelm him with dialectical.

[Anonymous No.18808606]

Does it hold up to its cool synopsis ?

[Anonymous No.18808641]

>>18794288
>Tell me more about the perfect run, Castle Kingside and The Twelve kingdoms.
A bit late but whatever.

Twelve Kingdoms is an older Jap series from the 90s. The Heroine is constantly confronted with shitty situations and has to change/grow quite a lot into her role. Its been a while since I’ve read the first novel and a really long time since I’ve seen the anime series from 2003. Its great and the OST is amazing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iPaj4XqAW0

Perfect Run:
A Time traveler story. But it juggles quite a few elements. Postapocalyptic Europe filled with superpowers, mixed with drama and comedy elements. And to my great surprise, it works. The time loop starts small. But with each iteration it grows in scope. New characters are introduced, friendships are forged in one and lost at restart and the eccentric hero reacts like you would expect someone with his background would react. It is comedic when it is appropriate. But doesn’t shy away from grim and horrible stuff when it actually happens.

Castle Kingside:
This is perhaps the most subjective take here. I started reading it after I stopped reading the Xeelee Sequence with its barbaric 0.01mm sized people living inside neutron stars.
Its about a successful surgeon reborn into a shitty typical middle-age fantasy world. There is magic, there are daemons, evil church and so on. Nothing new. But the story focuses on how the surgeon tries to improve everyone’s live. There are some (really) convenient elements to help him with this. But I like this kind of stuff. Not page after page of boring battle scenes or whatever Baxter imagined. Just a talented, confident guy showing off his skills to help people. Comfy. But during the end of Volume 1 there is quite a shift in scale. So not sure what will happen next.

[Anonymous No.18808663]

>>18808606
yes

[Anonymous No.18808680]

>>18808606
I found it lackluster.
>muh tunnels

[Anonymous No.18808741]

Books with Night Land feel?

[Anonymous No.18808749]

>>18808741
Jade City

[Anonymous No.18808773]

>>18808749
made me google, asshole

[Anonymous No.18808794]

>>18808773
My greatest fulfilment is from recommending random fantasy books from modern female authors.

[Anonymous No.18809146]

>>18808794
Extremely based.

>>18808741
It's only a short story but Abominations of Yondo by Clark Ashton Smith hit a similar note for me, I recommend it pretty regularly desu such a short and sweet read.

[Anonymous No.18809176]

>>18808595
non stop, earth abides, cities of the future, babel 13

just check out the sci fi masterworks published series it was full of gems.

[Anonymous No.18809183]

>>18807769
hyperion has a character development section based around it in the first book i think.

[Anonymous No.18809215]

>>18807196
The Expanse first book
Brawne Lamia's tale in Hyperion

[Anonymous No.18809250]

>>18809183
>>18809215
Yes this was what I was thinking off. Legend

[Anonymous No.18809281]

>find old (pub. 1994) fantasy book at used book store, never heard of it or the author, turns out its a woman, Melanie Rawn
>it's a fat 800 pager, and is apparently only volume 1 of a larger story
>I learn this is a world where women are in charge, and men have to dress modestly so as not to inflame the lusts of their female betters, apparently men showing any hair is scandalous so they where hoods that cover their heads from brow to nape at all times in public
>but naturally they wear low necklines that show off their hairy chests at feasts
>around 20 pages in the protagonist, a 13 year old slave boy, is almost raped by his owner, a disgusting pervert who forces him to read pornography where strapping farmer boys are ravished by noble women
I'm barely getting my feet wet in this and it's already got 2/3 for GRI seal of approval.

[Anonymous No.18809301]

>>18809281
Is the femdom any good or is it all lame shit?

lame shit:
>gentle femdom
>man ass obsessed femdom
>leather and BDSM culture femdom
>femdom that is really just drawn out regular sex with a slightly assertive woman who becomes ordinary submissive woman once the sex starts

[Anonymous No.18809314]

>I want to be pegged in the ass by my femdom, but I’m totally not gay

You

[Anonymous No.18809373]

>>18808741
Awake in the Night Land
Nightland Racer (I'm actually currently reading this book and even though it's decent enough it is poorly formatted in spots and really needed a professional editor so if you do decide to check it out just keep that in mind)

[Anonymous No.18809562]

>>18809281
>around 20 pages in the protagonist, a 13 year old slave boy, is almost raped by his owner, a disgusting pervert who forces him to read pornography where strapping farmer boys are ravished by noble women
title?

[Anonymous No.18809659]

>>18809301
I'm only like 30 pages into the book anon, I'll let you know if it continues as it began. Apparently the slave-owning lord (a rare male noble who managed to inherit only because all his female relatives were dead) was particularly fond of bondage and rape smut, but preferred it was written with overwrought metaphors like "blazing monolith of manhood" and "cavern of womanly desire" and so forth, which the protagonist thought very droll, but got his master hot and bothered.

>>18809562
Exiles: volume 1, the ruins of Ambrai

It's not terribly explicit though the fact it got this saucy this early gives one a lot of hope for the rest of the book.

[Anonymous No.18809673]

>>18809314
Being dom by women isn't gay.

[Anonymous No.18809701]

>>18809659
>the slave-owning lord (a rare male
Interest evaporated.

[Anonymous No.18809716]

>>18809701
I said it was 2/3 GRI, that's the gay and rape parts.

[Anonymous No.18809808]

I recently heard of Greg Egan as a great sci-fi writer. Do you guys know where I could start with him?

[Anonymous No.18809815]

>>18809808
Yeah, his first book.

[Anonymous No.18809849]

>>18807196
Neuromancer or Chasm City

[Anonymous No.18809874]

Fantasy recc with a small cast and good character development?

[Anonymous No.18809912]

Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.18809921]

>>18809912
It's too predictable, because Maia is too predictably good at everything. I expected him to experience some trials and tribulations with some consequences, but no. He did the right thing from the beginning and controlled his dark impulses consistently and successfully, experiencing almost no learning curve. You could be a perfect human being and still find yourself in trouble, but not Maia, whose every conversation was a triumph of wisdom and goodness, with villains unable to keep up with whatever he had to (ever so gently) throw at them.

It almost felt as if the author adored her protagonist so much that she would twist everything in his favor. If he took a risk it would pay off. If he wanted a murderer found, it would be. The villains were, one and all, inept and too easily foiled, not up to taking down this paragon of virtue.

Paragon of humility, too: Add to all this the character's endless protestations of imperfection. "Woe is me, I'm so bad at politics!" while showing what can only be called unfailing genius at politics is strange. "Oh no I lack charisma," while everyone, from nobles to commoners are cheering him on is, again, odd. This kid is good at everything. There is nothing he might fail at with the exception of dancing...yet the implication is he's going to be good at that, too. And he's not just perfect for his era, but for ours: he is supportive of his gay subjects, of women who want opportunities outside the house. He respects commoners, loves science. Perfect ruler for his era, perfect for ours.

Upshot is after the first two chapters, I stopped worrying for Maia, which meant suspense went out the window.

Too much perfection is a dull thing.

[Anonymous No.18809952]

>>18809562
>Narrator is 14 year old boy
>Murders a bunch of peasants and rapes a teen girl in the first 20 pages
>Scares off a ghost by being too malevolent
A bit over the top but it settles down into some cool shit.

[Anonymous No.18809975]

>>18809874
Sword in the Storm

[Anonymous No.18809981]

>>18809912
>chick author
You already know our thoughts.

[Anonymous No.18809999]

>>18809975
Ive read it, thanks for the recc though I did enjoy it

[Anonymous No.18810015]

>>18809999
Did you read the sequels? Or any of Gemmell's other books?

[Anonymous No.18810017]

https://gofile.io/d/HXkSUg

Critique my writing /sffg/

[Anonymous No.18810031]

>>18810017
>Who the fuck does he think he is?
Stopped reading.

[Anonymous No.18810036]

>>1880995
>male on female rape
Yawn. Why would you reply to my hornypost with this edgelord YA maledom trash?

[Anonymous No.18810054]

>>18810015
Apparently I was confused. I read the first 6 drenai books. The last I read being The First Chronicals of Druss the Legend.

[Anonymous No.18810063]

>>18810054
Check out Sword in the Storm then, bro. Or Gemmell's Jerusalem Man trilogy which is like The Dark Tower but good.

[Anonymous No.18810104]

>>18810063
Thanks man I will didn't know about the Jerusalem Man trilogy. Those book look interesting.

[Anonymous No.18810138]

>>18810104
Based. It's become my favorite Gemmell series over time since it really does come across like Gemmell read The Dark Tower, thought it was crap, and decided to write his own version.

[Anonymous No.18810188]

>>18807811
ErwinChad here, read some of Stanislaw Lem's writing. It's not really comparable to shingeki but he does mystery boxes and twist worldbuilding incredibly well. Eden has good geopolitics, Solaris is just good speculative sf with a romantic human element that actually works.

[Anonymous No.18810189]

>>18809952
The first book of this is so full of edgy over the top shit. Like he literally rips the heart out of a necromancer and eats it to gain necromancy powers. He does settle down and mature over time, but goddamn what an edgefest book 1 is. I think this trilogy is Lawrence's weakest though, his best is easily the other series he wrote in Broken Empire's setting, the Red Queen's War.

[Anonymous No.18810391]

>>18810017
Is this the first chapter of something longer? It feels more like a scene than a short story to me.

[Anonymous No.18810422]

>>18810189
I got it as a light read after I finished all the Beserk deluxe volumes that are out to date so it fit the bill, but yeah, not great, entertaining.

[Anonymous No.18810529]

>>18810391
Yeah, first chapter. I have a few other disparate sections that I need to combine into a cohesive whole.

[Anonymous No.18810545]

>>18810529
It’s well written. Not my cup of tea I don’t think, but I will say that if you wanted me to hate the ever loving fuck out of that guy then you succeeded.

[Anonymous No.18810657]

>>18807086
>>18806980
Kellhus said he struck a treaty with the pit. It is reasonable to assume that includes the salvation of Esmi. I don't think it proves anything beyond that he does have some kind of agreement with some kind of outside force.

>Damned but occasionally not damned (probably random)
I assume that the ones who were saved were the ones who didn't commit any atrocities. There's people like that.

[Anonymous No.18810687]

>>18806989
what book or series to start with Sanderson?

[Anonymous No.18810707]

>>18810687
Theyre all great to start with. Just grab the first of any of his series at the library or from a friend. Then throw it into your local landfill

[Anonymous No.18810715]

>>18810707
I will grab one from your local landfill and read it

[Anonymous No.18810717]

>>18810687
The Mistborn Trilogy is the perfect place to start

[Anonymous No.18810729]

>>18810717
this, it completely encapsulates what Jordan isas an author, i hated it.

[Anonymous No.18810733]

>>18810717
thanks, I also saw some stand alone books he have, did you read any of them?

[Anonymous No.18810768]

>>18810733
The only one I've read is Snapshot and I found it to be alright.

[Anonymous No.18810825]

>>18810768
thanks, the cover looks cool

[Anonymous No.18810832]

>>18810715
on a serious note though, I did really love Elantris. That one is a standalone, I think its shorter as well. I absolutely hated the mistborn series. I made it through the first book and half of the second.

[Anonymous No.18810974]

>>18810825
Well, I'm glad I was of help to you.

[Anonymous No.18811015]

>>18810832
>I did really love Elantris
Is it any good? Been meaning to read it.

[Anonymous No.18811032]

>>18811015
Ill admit I was younger when I read it. But I thought the concept was quite unique. It worth checking out for sure.

[Anonymous No.18811051]

>>18811032
I'll check it out.

[Anonymous No.18811057]

>>18809314
Stop being gay.

[Anonymous No.18811073]

>>18808595
You might want to read dunkin and egg.

[Anonymous No.18811075]

>>18811073
Isn't that a series of novellas and not stand alones.

[Anonymous No.18811081]

>>18811075
They can be read as stand alone. And it’s not like you have to read the sequels.

[Anonymous No.18811084]

>>18808595
Magician by Raymond E. Feist

[Anonymous No.18811096]

>>18808595
Swordspoint by Ellen Kushner

[Anonymous No.18811099]

>>18808595
Tigana or any novel by the author of tigana.

[Anonymous No.18811111]

>>18808559
I hear the main character is a Gary Stu.

[Anonymous No.18811119]

>>18811111
He is a 16-year old worker. He toils. A life of hardship is all he has ever known. He is a Red, the lowest social class, the dregs of society. He is an uneducated minor, and a miner (I make no apologies for the pun, I've been waiting to ues that one for ages). As the mad scientist who has been told to turn Darrow into a Gold says...

"Say we make his body perfect, there’s still one problem: we cannot make him smarter. One cannot make a mouse a lion.”
That's right. Darrow is not stupid, but he is uneducated. He has not had the privilege of a life's worth of highly selective education. His body is hard, strong, but unhoned in war.

And he dares compete against the Golds, the highest echelon of Society. The strongest, the most powerful, the most intelligent.

Only Darrow dares. And he succeeds beyond anyone's wildest imagination. He is so fucking perfect, and I hate him for it. Despite a complete lack of education, he is brilliant. Just fucking brilliant.

I don’t know the math, but I know the pattern. I solve it and four more puzzles, then it changes once more in my hands, becoming a circle. Mickey’s eyes widen. I complete the circle’s puzzles and then toss him back the device. He stares at my hands while working his own twelve fingers.
“Impossible,” he murmurs.

He succeeds at everything. Lack of knowledge? Fuck that shit, just drink a fucking INTELLIGENCE TONIC AND BOOM! INSTANT GENIUS.
Before I sleep, I drink a tonic laden with processing enhancers and speed-listen to The Colors, The Iliad, Ulysses, Metamorphosis, the Theban plays, The Draconic Labels, and restricted works like The Count of Monte Cristo, Lord of the Flies, Lady Casterly’s Penance, 1984, and The Great Gatsby. I wake knowing three thousand years of literature and legal code and history.

Where was that stuff when I was cramming for my finals in school? :|

Which begs the question, if Darrow can be artificially enhanced like that, why hasn't everyone else? What makes Darrow so special that his artificial physical and mental enhancements haven't been used to make the actual Golds better than they are?

It doesn't work.

[Anonymous No.18811123]

>>18811119
So plot holes/ idiot plot.

[Anonymous No.18811132]

>>18811119
>The Colors, The Iliad, Ulysses, Metamorphosis, the Theban plays, The Draconic Labels, and restricted works like The Count of Monte Cristo, Lord of the Flies, Lady Casterly’s Penance, 1984, and The Great Gatsby.
Yikes. What the fuck.

[Anonymous No.18811135]

>>18811119
Ah, YA. Where teenagers can do the impossible.

[Anonymous No.18811143]

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