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18754762 No.18754762 [Reply] [Original]

Books where the protagonist descends more and more into alcoholism as a way to cope with loneliness and isolation?

>> No.18755391

I've always wondered, if you're aware this is happening, before it fully encapsulates you, why not try to do anything against it?

>> No.18755471

>>18755391
Haven't you ever been drunk anon? Its about how it inhibits one's higher reasoning in relation to the lower; you think 'this is a stupid thing to do' yet, at that moment, you simply don't care.

>> No.18755504

>>18755471
I meant when you're in a sober state. You're aware you're descending into a state you don't want to, with the threshold of your being in control nearing. Before that threshold, why not actively fight against it? Not talking about addicts obviously

>> No.18755518

>>18755504
I'm not op.

Frankly I don't consider there to be a difference. If our resting state was one of pleasure we wouldn't do anything. The fact is that we are always in the process of 'drugging' ourselves, we're always looking for an out; yet these outs, generally, are difficult to attain and require more effort than can be mustered.

Do you furrow all your money into investments for the future? No? Then you're, to a degree, no different.

>> No.18755680

>>18755391
Learned helplessness. No hope for a life worth living. Passive suicide.

>> No.18755691

Who would sit down and spend time to write such aboring book?

>> No.18755704

>>18755691
Russians

>> No.18755720

>>18755704
Americans you should have said but you are obviously a nigger. Russians live among gopniks, the imagery of alcoholics is banal to their eyes.

>> No.18755749

>>18755720
>who is Dostoevsky
>who is Goncharov
Fucking illiterate.

>> No.18755765

>>18755749
>uh muh but their characters have many drinking scenes
stfu nigger and reread op

>> No.18755785

>>18755765
>what is notes form the underground

>> No.18756095

>>18754762
crime and punishment has a character that is a useless drunk, and self-aware

>> No.18756122

>>18755391
What’s the alternative? I just don’t really feel like there’s anything else worth doing with my life so while I can see this is happening, I don’t feel like I have a good reason to avoid it.

>> No.18756141

No longer human by dazai

>> No.18756230
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>>18754762
Lost Weekend

>> No.18756364

>>18754762
Jack London, John Barleycorn (1913)

>Is this flesh of yours you? Or is it an extraneous something possessed by you? Your body—what is it? A machine for converting stimuli into reactions. Stimuli and reactions are remembered. They constitute experience. Then you are in your consciousness these experiences. You are at any moment what you are thinking at that moment. Your I is both subject and object; it predicates things of itself and is the things predicated. The thinker is the thought, the knower is what is known, the possessor is the things possessed. "After all, as you know well, man is a flux of states of consciousness, a flow of passing thoughts, each thought of self another self, a myriad thoughts, a myriad selves, a continual becoming but never being, a will-of-the-wisp flitting of ghosts in ghostland. But this, man will not accept of himself. He refuses to accept his own passing. He will not pass. He will live again if he has to die to do it. "He shuffles atoms and jets of light, remotest nebulae, drips of water, prick-points of sensation, slime-oozings and cosmic bulks, all mixed with pearls of faith, love of woman, imagined dignities, frightened surmises, and pompous arrogances, and of the stuff builds himself an immortality to startle the heavens and baffle the immensities. He squirms on his dunghill, and like a child lost in the dark among goblins, calls to the gods that he is their younger brother, a prisoner of the quick that is destined to be as free as they—monuments of egotism reared by the epiphenomena; dreams and the dust of dreams, that vanish when the dreamer vanishes and are no more when he is not.

>> No.18756692

>>18755391
Because of the unbearable contrast between when you're drunk and when not.

You feel more and more horrible when sober, so you start drinking more and more to feel even higher. So, it continues to widen.

Normal people feel okay when sober and slightly more okay when drunk. Being sober isn't unbearable compared to being drunk.

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No longer human by Osamu Dazai.
At least during the second notebook and first part of the third notebook.

>> No.18756869

>>18754762
my diary desu

>> No.18756905

>>18754762
Factotum

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>>18756230
>Butterfly identifies with Allie from the Breakfast Club
Of course

>> No.18757407

>>18754762
don't know about books but watch Leaving Las Vegas if you haven't already

>> No.18758152

>>18755391
I was alcoholic for years a hardcore alcoholic who would mix benzos and you are aware but just do not care.
>wake up
>straight away drink as much as you can
>pop a benzo
>pass out or black out for the day/night (you don't know whats what anymore)
>do it again when you wake up
it is like time travel as you are not conscious for years

>> No.18758235

>>18755518
>Do you furrow all your money into investments for the future? No? Then you're, to a degree, no different.
This is the stupidest comparison you could come up with. “Oh so you’re not counting pennies and staying away from comfort? That’s almost the same as drinking yourself to death.” No, I think the fuck not.