/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.18752077]

What is the most /lit/ school of Tibetan Buddhism? Nyingma, Kagyu, Sakya, or Gelug?

[Anonymous No.18752133]

>>18752077
Gelugpa is the school most focused on reading and philosophy: they also gained a lot of administrative power because of this.

I quite like Nyingma with their focus on Guru Rinpoche and Dzogchen, they also have Longchenpa.

Kagyu have the tradition of Milarepa, Gampopa, Tilopa and the Karmapa. And the six Dharmas

Sakya hasn't gone so much to the west but i know they have very strong initiation.

[Anonymous No.18752147]

>>18752133
In Bhutan they have the Drukpas which is a subtradition under Kagyu

[Anonymous No.18752154]

Rimé movement

[Anonymous No.18752288]

>>18752154
king shit

[Anonymous No.18752441]

>>18752154
Dangerously based.

[Anonymous No.18752471]

>>18752154
I’m very interested in receiving tantric empowerments from a guru in lineage to at follows the rime movement. Do you know of any rime teachers?

[Anonymous No.18752489]

>>18752471
>in lineage to at follows
*in a lineage that follows

[Anonymous No.18752557]

>>18752471
Rimé is more a solidarity between non-gelug sects right? So just get transmission within one of these. Where do you live in the world?

[Anonymous No.18752580]

>>18752557
>Where do you live in the world?
I live in New England, but I'm willing to travel if necessary.
>Rimé is more a solidarity between non-gelug sects right? So just get transmission within one of these.
There are some lineages that are explicity Rime, as opposed to belonging to one of the four traditional schools. An example of such a lineage is the Khyentse lineage, which is currently headed by Dzongsar Jamyang Khyentse Rinpoche, the reincarnation of one of the two monks that started the original rime movement. The problem is he doesn't seem to take on lay practitioners as students, only monks. And I don't know any one else that belongs to that lineage.

[Anonymous No.18752639]

>>18752580
Maybe go ask here https://www.dharmawheel.net/

[Anonymous No.18752646]

>>18752639
Thank you, I'll make a thread and ask for advice there when I get the chance.

[Anonymous No.18752671]

>>18752646
tashi delek :)

[Anonymous No.18753871]

Bump

[Anonymous No.18753889]

>>18752077
I'm going to say Kagyu since to my knowledge they've only ordained one Westerner fully, the prolific translator Karl Brunnhölzl. So that seems pretty elite.

[Anonymous No.18754145]

>>18752077
Dzogchen written by Western philosophers.

[Anonymous No.18754173]

>>18752077
What do Tibetan pracitioners think of other vajrayana offshoots like Shingon?

[Anonymous No.18754217]

>>18754173
Was just checking into it and apparently the Mahavairocana Tantra made it to Japan like a decade before it got to Tibet, in the late 8th century. So that would make Shingon older than the major Tibetan schools.

[Anonymous No.18754221]

>>18754217
It came from the Tangmi lineage initially, but then died out in China, so in the 70s some taiwanese monks got Shingon initiation and brought it back to Taiwan, but I think they've got cut off from the Japanese lineage over some dispute

[Anonymous No.18754237]

>>18754221
iirc the og Shingon line died out anyway and was re-started by Kakuban some time after Kukai, with Pure Land influences. Wasn't aware of Taiwan preserving Japanese culture to that extent though that's pretty funny. Like Quebec vs France

[Anonymous No.18754255]

>>18754237
Oh no I mean they only went there recently, like in the 1970s, with the express intention of reviving Chinese tantric buddhism. I don't think they cared much what the Japanese thought once they had sufficient initiation to spread it in Taiwan, HK etc

[Anonymous No.18754299]

>>18754255
Ah well in any case, mainland China being mainland China, the Japanese canon has preserved Chinese texts and translations otherwise lost in China. Wouldn't be the first reverse importation. But directly taking up Shingon is pretty interesting since that's a development native to Japan.

[Anonymous No.18754443]

>>18754299
Yeah I think the idea of perfect chains of initiation isn't really realistic anyway. The reality is it always gets thin at some point in order to survive, e.g. someone didn't quite get the proper initiation or there was some little gap or something but people kind of ignore it and carry on. It's just the way it works

I think the way they do it in the case of the newer Zhenyan (chinese reverse-imported Shingon) stuff is wherever possible they replace Japanese stuff with Chinese stuff, so the ceremonies are done in Chinese, the deities are the Chinese equivalents, they change some of the ritual equipment etc. They seemed to really focus on making it as Chinese as possible as opposed to just doing Shingon

I have no idea how it's perceived by normies in Taiwan, HK etc, they may view it as a cult or like we'd view the Mormons or something, but it's interesting to see nonetheless

[Anonymous No.18754474]

>>18752077
I'm fond of the bingo bongo school myself.

[Anonymous No.18754480]

>>18754443
Chan and Pure Land were the major surviving Chinese Buddhist schools in the modern age so probably any tantrayana school would be a novelty to the contemporary general public.

[Anonymous No.18754652]

>>18754173
Mutual appreciation

[Anonymous No.18754770]

>>18752557
This.

[Anonymous No.18754959]

>>18754145
QRD?

[Anonymous No.18756545]

>>18754652
Saved