Greek Philosophy

[Anonymous No.18669344]

Hello anons, I want to study Greek philosophy. I no longer want to have any loyalty to any current philosophical/political movements. I do not want anybody telling me what to think or believe, I want to work it out myself, from the ground up. Then I want to come to my own conclusion, based off of everything that I have read. And I will either create my own philosophy based on that, or it will be close enough to something that exists already, but at the very least it will be a conclusion that I came to on my own. Specifically I want political philosophy, starting with the greeks. Should I just read:

? --> Plato --> Aristotle

The question mark is because I do not know if I need to read a different book before jumping into Plato. I plan on buying Plato complete works edited by John M. Cooper, and the complete works of Aristotle (revised Oxford). I am considering "The First Philosophers" (Oxford World Classic). I am also considering "The Texts of Early Greek Philosophy" by Cambridge. Or maybe even "Early Greek Philosophy" and "The Greek Sophists" by Penguin Classics. The problem is, that I don't know shit about them.

Has anybody here actually read these? Which one is the best? Or maybe you would recommend a different book? Or maybe you would recommend just jumping straight into Plato, no need for any bullshit beforehand? Well /lit/, what should I do, I want to order them today. If nobody knows, then I'm just going to start with Plato.

[Anonymous No.18669402]

>>18669344
Presocratics are not necessary whatsoever for Plato. Aristotle references them heavily but generally lays out their theories, and google can fill in the gaps, these other books aren't necessary.

[Anonymous No.18669413]

start and end with Parmenides

[Anonymous No.18669427]

>>18669402
retarded. Most of Plato's dialogues are direct responses to the Sophists. Plato borrows heavily from Heraclitus and Parmenides, and considering their work survives in fragments it'll take your at best a couple of hours to fully understand them.

[Anonymous No.18669441]

>>18669344
I recommend just reading a synopsis online, you won't know what the fuck they were talking about or what they tried to do until you see what Plato and Aristotle said about them.

[Anonymous No.18669465]

>>18669427
Plato's characters have almost no relation to their real life counterparts, other than Parmenides

[Anonymous No.18669609]

So I don't need to. Also, where tf am I supposed to get these books. It just dawned on me that they don't sell these books in stores. Or do they? Is my only choice to wait like a month for shipping?

[Anonymous No.18669615]

>>18669609
Do these kinds of books just not have a market? Just how niche is it to read the classics?

[Anonymous No.18669626]

>>18669609
Princeton has Aristotle's complete works 50 percent off right now, cheapest you'll ever get them

[Anonymous No.18669637]

>>18669626
They also have Plato's collected but haven't read there version,only the Hackett

[Anonymous No.18669713]

Just skip all the way to Diogenes, it's really all you need to know.

[Anonymous No.18669728]

>>18669344
Start here, with O.C. Sure's "Customer Agreement" series on Aristotle...

https://youtu.be/sk9HZBX3qrg

[Anonymous No.18670551]

Used book store for the win, I got this for 6 bucks, I refuse to buy anything online.

1/3

[Anonymous No.18670562]

Now that I have it, this is what I am starting with

2/3

[Anonymous No.18670571]

And finally, it's pretty old, so I am sure that it is not contaminated by any modern political bullshit

3/3

[Anonymous No.18670585]

This is the best you can get. Most of what still exists is fragments

[Anonymous No.18671330]

>>18670551
>>18670562
>>18670571
And after this some Aristotle

[Anonymous No.18671486]

>>18670585
I actually have original texts from the presocratics as well as letters penned by Socrates himself (Plato was mostly correct in his characterization). I’m not going to show anybody them.