/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.18662416]

What is the literary equivalent?

[Anonymous No.18662420]

>>18662416
The Bible

[Anonymous No.18662422]

my diary desu

[Laura Numeroff !BmHtx5LcGM No.18662439]

The ululililia book of course

[Anonymous No.18662441]

fpbp

[Anonymous No.18662444]

>>18662439
love that guy

[Anonymous No.18662472]

>>18662416
hegel
unnecessarily complicated, obscure, and unusable, yet highly adored. only vaguely understood even by people who has read him

[Anοnymous No.18662501]

well this thread is disappointing

[Anonymous No.18662544]

I'm picking a random pointless thread: is there a better place than /lit/ where people who actually want to discuss books can have a conversation? Nobody here really cares about reading outside of jerking off over memes on the same few philosophers. There used to be some conversation about writing, literature, and books other than this shit years ago but right now this place is fucking unbearable. Is every other site really all reddit tier shit with varying degrees of leftist brain rot? I fucking hate living in a city where nobody reads so I can only talk about narrative on the internet.
4chan has become like a fucking broken record no matter the board. You can't even have a genuinely fun thread anymore. I want to leave so fucking bad.

[Anonymous No.18662565]

>>18662544
I'm with you buddy, every board I go to is just like this. It's all memes, shitposting, people baiting each other into endless pointless arguments that have all happened before.
Very little genuine discussion. Very shallow. It always has been rare but it seems like it's at its all time minimum. I'm seeing this all around the internet though, it's all people either taking the shit out of everything taking everything way too seriously everything's gotta be some movement or cause.

[Anonymous No.18662578]

>>18662416
The Story of the Vivian Girls, in What Is Known as the Realms of the Unreal, of the Glandeco-Angelinian War Storm, Caused by the Child Slave Rebellion by Henry Darger

[Anonymous No.18662615]

>>18662565
The saddest part is that sometimes you stumble onto some other desperate soul in thread and something interesting or funny is about to happen but the exchange is instantly drowned by bait and shitposting, which isn't even low quality shitposting, it's just the same back and forth of tired meme spam that may as well be AI generated. I haven't bothered making a thread on 4chan in forever. The last few times it went straight to the archives. If I got a reply it was some dumb confused take because they couldn't just post a retarded 3 word meme in time to get fpbp. fpbp is just like getting the top comment on reddit. You say something to have a discussion and someone says based, cringe, upvote, downvote. Every answer is so fucking tired, I don't know why everyone just does this shit even to entertain themselves. Are they bots? Retarded? I'll never know. I fucking hate young people so much.

[Anonymous No.18662662]

>>18662544
World literature forum was alright until someone posted it on reddit and now its just another woke shithole were every discussion about a writer degenerates into talking about his problematic views on niggers.

[Anonymous No.18662707]

>>18662416
Principia Discordia

>>18662544
>>18662565
>>18662578
>>18662615
>>18662662
No but seriously you anons know anywhere cause fuck this place.

[Laura Numeroff !BmHtx5LcGM No.18662722]

>>18662707
Obviously fucking not— were all HERE, not somewhere else
Fuck, if you hate it so much just leave. No one cares about your fuckin good old days bullshit, no one waits with bated breath for your arrival. If it’s so painful then take a fucking hike.
Or just call me tripfaggot and stick around, I have a feeling that’ll be what you actually do.

[Anonymous No.18662741]

>>18662722
Kek imagine getting angry at people wanting to leave this shithole and the miserable people like you behind.

[Laura Numeroff !BmHtx5LcGM No.18662747]

>>18662741
Can’t be stupider than lamenting your own choice to keep coming back. Literally just click the little x in the corner of your browser, bud. I want to help end your pain and misery

[Anonymous No.18662748]

>>18662420
/thread
RIP Terry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_A2yvxNY_M

[Anonymous No.18662767]

>>18662722
go choke on a cock tripfag

[Anonymous No.18662787]

>>18662747
Not gonna lie you seem awfully riled up. I wish to see if any of the anons I asked know of a magical place where people who actually love literature can come together and share in the joy of it. I'll give it a little time and then I'll be on my way Ms. Numeroff, never you mind. In the meantime you might consider doing what this anon advised >>18662767.

[Laura Numeroff !BmHtx5LcGM No.18662839]

>>18662787
>>18662767
>I want to leave but don’t you DARE tell me to go
Why are you acting like tou don’t fit in perfectly here?

[Anonymous No.18662851]

>>18662839
Stop being a bitch.

[Anonymous No.18663076]

>>18662416
my diary desu

[Anonymous No.18663099]

>>18662439
just watched a video breakdown about him, insanely brilliant guy

[Anonymous No.18663130]

>>18662544
make literary friends irl
>4chan has become like a fucking broken record no matter the board
the analogy of memetic spread to viruses is apt
anonymous newfags will parrot the same memes over and over once exposed (mainly because they want to fit in?), and when they get sick of it (or rather become "immune") there will be plenty of new-newfags to carry it on

This used to be less of a problem, but I think the newcomer influx has passed a certain threshold

the opposite of anonymous fresh faces and brains every day are IRL friends: you will share a history with them, can continue threads of conversations over long periods, etc.

[Anonymous No.18663148]

Henry Darger

[Anonymous No.18663589]

>>18663130
IRL there's only academia and everyone involved in literary studies where I live is extremely hard left, and ironically doesn't read that much either. It's pretty crazy how many people who study literature or philosophy are indistinguishable from normies if not for a few Facebook tier pop literature quotes. Behavior and lifestyle are exactly the same except they generally have shittier jobs.
Sometimes I think I'm the one who is dull, arrogant or some other horrible personality flaw that makes me incompatible with others. I'm not an extremist or anything, I think I've become a little awkward because I've become rather isolationist, but I'm not creepy or uncomfortable to be around (I hope). It just feels like I live on another dimension, like I'm a guy from another time who time traveled here.
Then well online is shit. I think the issue with online communities isn't the woke politics - at least not at the source - but the sheer amount of mentally ill people who are allowed to stay. I just can't suffer to join a community where I'm asked to say what pronouns I "prefer".

[Anonymous No.18663633]

>>18662544
>I'm picking a random pointless thread
This is a big part of why this place sucks, people can not stay out of threads which do not interest them. Someone may have found this thread of worth (yes, very unlikely) and you derailed it. Happens in most threads, discussion is derailed by irrelevant off topic shit posted by anons who have a compulsion to inform everyone of how great they are for knowing that OP is a moron with bad taste.

[Anonymous No.18663654]

>>18662416

[Anonymous No.18663666]

>>18662439
>>18662444
>>18663099
>The ululililia book
I google searched but could not find anything. Who is he?

[Anonymous No.18663682]

>>18663666
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-79yOZ13qg

[GODCOCK No.18663684]

So, it's gotta be 1. self-authored; 2. self-edited and self-redacted; 3. self-printed; 4 self-distributed and 5. self-marketed
There probably are such auths, but non come to mind that've done all of these, particularly the printing is kinda hard to do cheaply.

[Anonymous No.18663698]

>>18663633
>Someone may have found this thread of worth (yes, very unlikely) and you derailed it.
I do not derail threads nor I normally reply to bait. Not like it would matter since only bait threads are active, ever. 90% of my posts are made with some effort.
What the fuck does OP even mean? Should I post a thread that says "If books were cars, which book would be a Ferrari? Which one would be a bus?" or "If books were pastriest, which book would be a waffle, which one would be a donut?" this is not literature discussion and it doesn't even have to do with books, it's just pointless spam by the same person who is probably posting all the other spam threads.

[Anonymous No.18663702]

>>18663654
Has anyone read this? How is it? It's on my list, somewhere.

I think the idea of narrative progression based around video game statistics sounds interesting, but it's probably the only book like that for a good reason.

[Anonymous No.18663704]

>>18663702
>but it's probably the only book like that for a good reason.
there is an entire genre for that, litrpg
that book is entirely concentrated autism though

[Anonymous No.18663715]

>>18662544
Just make a discord server with the other jaded anonymousae who replied to you. Then lock it and make it private invite-only.

[Anonymous No.18663716]

>>18662748
I miss him so much.

>>18663589
Where do you live?

[Anonymous No.18663719]

>>18662615
I feel you, brother. I think we need healthier non-Reddit options for this shit. I’ve tried Trannycord servers, but most of the people there are dogshit writers and/or YA fans. I just wanna talk to people who’re committed to writing and reading but don’t pollute shit with stupidity, bad politics, feminine nonsense, etc. My dream was come to back here one day after finally getting a few books out there so I could show everyone /lit/ can actually make it, but shit’s so cancerous here I haven’t even bothered.

[Anonymous No.18663722]

>>18663698
>I do not derail threads
You just did.
>What the fuck does OP even mean?
This is a standard thread type going back to the early days of /lit/, you just post what ever book TempleOS or that picture makes you think of. These threads can be surprising and yield a much larger variety of book suggestions than more direct methods of discussion, and sometimes they offer a good laugh. While OP should have used the Post an Image, Get a Rec thread, you should have used Write What's on Your Mind or /qa/.

[Anonymous No.18663729]

>>18663719
Your mistake was joining PUBLIC discord servers. A lot of people have private discord servers only made up of their closest friends, they're basically like a whatsapp group with more utility and shit.

[Anonymous No.18663734]

>>18663715
>Just make a discord server with the other jaded anonymousae
I don't want to make a discord server, especially not with jaded anonymous people from 4chan
for all I know everyone on this site is potentially malicious

[Anonymous No.18663741]

>>18663734
So you're wistfully resentful that you don't have a place to talk with like-minded people at the tip of your fingers, and when they do show up, you push them away.

[Anonymous No.18663745]

>>18663704
>that book is entirely concentrated autism though
Did you make it all the way through? I'd be willing to give it a shot if you say it's any good. That style almost reminds me of analytic philosophy writing style applied to fiction.

[Anonymous No.18663772]

>>18663589
You're fucked then?
What do you expect to hear?
You're making a prison for yourself and then complaining about it.
>*everyone* literary where I live is a leftist
>I'm too different, I don't belong in this world
>I cannot join a community where I must make any sacrifices
Question some of these assumptions you've made because they're absurd, even if there is a little truth to them.

[Anonymous No.18663780]

>>18663704
the hexidemical for the colours is always what gets me

[Anonymous No.18663783]

>>18663745
It's on a lot of people's radar. If you actually read it, make a thread.

[Anonymous No.18663788]

>>18663734
>for all I know everyone on this site is potentially malicious
Everyone in real life is potentially malicious, and could do FAR more damage to you than what a bunch of 4chan autismos ever could. It's a risk you have to accept to engage with the world around you. If you're too afraid of hurt, go ball up in a corner and wait for the merciful embrace of death.

[Anonymous No.18663799]

>>18663783
I mean I read the diarrhea deposit known as Ready Player Two because /lit/ dared me to, so I could probably get through Legend of the 10 Elemental Masters.

[Anonymous No.18663804]

>>18663788
To elaborate further, you sound like a guy who's intentionally shutting himself away from the world, then whining "why are they doing this to me?!", "uh those subhumans resent ubermensch like me, it's not fair they're so powerful, and I, the mighty superior, oppressed!".

[Anonymous No.18663811]

>>18663799
Are you the anon that let /lit/ pick 5 or 6 books for you to read?

[Anonymous No.18663841]

>>18663811
Yep! I'll repost my reviews for anyone who is interested. I read
>Ready Player Two - Ernest Cline
>Back in Diapers - Carmen Quick
>Feminist Queer Crip - Alison Kafer
>Against the Grain: How Agriculture Has Hijacked Civilization - Richard Manning
>Beautiful Fighting Girl - Tamaki Saito

[Anonymous No.18663847]

>>18663841
>>Against the Grain: How Agriculture Has Hijacked Civilization - Richard Manning
What did you think of this?

[Anonymous No.18663848]

>>18663841
>>Beautiful Fighting Girl - Tamaki Saito
this is the one with Rei on the cover, right? I seem to remember the thread. How was it?

[Anonymous No.18663863]

>>18663847
Easily the best of the bunch.

This book was written by a journalist rather than an outright scholar, but if he didn’t disclose he was merely a journalist a few times, he could’ve easily fooled me. This is a wonderfully researched, compelling look at the world of agriculture and its more recent counterpart, agribusiness. Beginning with the origin of man and our hunter-gather ancestors, Manning recounts the roughly concurrent discovery of agriculture among different communities around the globe, and similarities that all these groups possessed. He goes further to discuss agriculture in light of ecology, especially from the perspective of the changing botanical ecosystem of North America brought about by European colonization. Towards the end, he discusses the ideas of “pure” foodstuffs suggested by social reformers and suggests a link between the “purification” of food (e.g reducing grain to flour, then baking something mild and inoffensive on an industrial scale using the flour, like bran flakes) and the “commodification” of food (e.g making corn into corn syrup, corn oil and corn starch and selling the products to various processed food companies such as selling HFCS to soda factories). He also brings to light the abuses of agribusiness conglomerate Archer-Daniels-Midland and their subsequent political meddling, disintegration of midwestern farmer livelihoods, and ecological malpractices. I went into the book anticipating this was going to be a rally against agriculture, in an anprim “return to monke” sense, but instead Manning advocates various methods of sustainable and organic agriculture to replace the massive agribusiness empires. He also urges us to view food as food rather than as commodities, such as “enriched flour” and “high fructose corn syrup”. Manning’s prose is dense, yet clear and he has a fair bit of dry humor sprinkled throughout the work. If you have any interest in farming as a profession or the history of agriculture, I would absolutely recommend this book. In fact, of all five books I read as part of this challenge, this is the only one I’d recommend unconditionally.
8.5/10

[Anonymous No.18663872]

>>18663848
Interesting ideas but too stuffy and academic in parts.

Let’s start off by saying that the introductory essay to this book is the worst introductory essay I’ve read in my life. It was dreadful and I don’t know how I slogged through it. I thought Feminist, Queer, Crip was the upper bounds possible in the English language for jargon. It’s not. However, once the book itself started, it was decent enough. The introductory and conclusion essays were slogs. While the essays were largely written from a psychoanalytic standpoint (Saito is a practicing psychoanalyst in the Lacanian tradition), there are portions that almost border on gender studies. I suppose I should’ve expected it more, considering the title of Beautiful Fighting GIRL. The book focuses largely on the prevalence of the “beautiful fighting girl” trope in Japanese media, namely the cute-but-badass heroine who fights evil and is beloved by otaku worldwide. While the beginning and ending essays were less than interesting, some parts in the middle pick up considerably, including a discussion of the word “otaku”. Throughout this book, Saito uses a different definition of the word from others I’ve heard, where it is more commonly referred to an obsessive anime fan (synonymous with “weeaboo”) or just an obsessive fan in general (e.g a train otaku or a guitar otaku). Here, Saito argues that the real definition of an otaku should be one who consistently blurs the lines of fiction and reality, especially when sexual narratives are involved (i.e only a true otaku can get off to stylized representations of pornography, such as hentai). This essay is followed by a series of emails from then-contemporary otaku circa 2000. Further on, there is a summary of Henry Darger’s life, his writing of The Vivian Girls and a thorough psychoanalysis of him. This is by far the best part of the book, it is always enjoyable to read about Henry Darger. Afterwards, Saito discusses the history of the “beautiful fighting girl” in anime, detailing in extreme (and almost painful) detail the multiple shared narratives and forms of the “beautiful fighting girl” in popular Japanese media. I feel like this part of the book would’ve worked better as a multimedia documentary rather than an essay. While there were ~15-20 pictures of anime screenshots throughout the book, there are so many more anime referred to multiple times as “influential” that could’ve absolutely benefitted from a pictorial representation. Nonetheless, I must give some credit to the translators. Translating a work of this academic caliber must’ve been very difficult indeed. In short, while everyone loves the big picture of Rei on the cover and I see the book shilled here and on /jp/ fairly often, this book isn’t really worth it unless you’re reeeeeeealy interested in in-depth psychological and feminist analyses of contemporary Japanese media.
6.5/10

[Anonymous No.18663873]

>>18663841
Nice, I enjoyed that thread. Most here have such narrow reading habits and can not see the worth in reading things just because others enjoy and get something out of them.

[Anonymous No.18663885]

>>18663863
Nice nice, I was interested in reading it myself, but only tangentially at the back of my mind, now I'm definitely picking it up, thanks.

[Anonymous No.18663889]

>>18662472
Based

[Anonymous No.18663895]

>>18663741
>So you're wistfully resentful that you don't have a place to talk with like-minded people at the tip of your fingers, and when they do show up, you push them away.
Yeah this one's on me.

[Anonymous No.18663897]

>>18663873
It was worth it because it got me to read stuff I wouldn't have read otherwise. I'll probably do another five once I come across some more Amazon gift card money.

>>18663885
Hey, if that's your type of thing, enjoy! I hardly know anything about psychology or gender studies so I'm sure I missed out on a lot of nuance.

[Anonymous No.18663907]

>>18663885
I thought you meant Beautiful Fighting Girl here >>18663897. But yeah, Against the Grain is great.

[Anonymous No.18663963]

>>18663897
I just use Little Free Libraries for this stuff, they are packed with stuff I would not normally read.

[Anonymous No.18664017]

>>18663841
Can you repost your reviews for the other 3? I'm interested.

[Anonymous No.18664023]

>>18662416
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Darger

[Anonymous No.18664037]

>>18664017
Here's a link to the archived thread. I'll post the archived.moe link as well, because Warosu's images broke for the first time in ages while that thread was being scraped.

https://archived.moe/lit/thread/18601780
>>/lit/thread/S18601780

[Anonymous No.18664038]

>>18663780
the fact that it is eight chars means that its opacity is also specified, btw (RGBA)

[Anonymous No.18664063]

>>18664038
I know I know. I could be wrong but I don't think he actually uses the alpha channel for anything (not that I've really looked).
I think it's actually ARGB btw.

[Anonymous No.18664105]

>>18663780
>>18664038
and it's actually formatted as ABGR for whatever reason

[Anonymous No.18664175]

>>18663654
>>18663704
why is it always sonic?

[Anonymous No.18664238]

>>18664105
Stack based languages/machines, last in, first out.

[Anonymous No.18664247]

>>18664175
He just gets there first.

[Anonymous No.18664768]

>>18662416
Utopia by Francis Bacon

[Anonymous No.18664898]

>>18663719
>>18663729
>>18663715

>Discord
ISHYGDDT

[Anonymous No.18664981]

>>18662416
Finnegans Wake, unironically.

[Anonymous No.18665033]

>>18664981
>Finnegans Wake

Best response so far

[Anonymous No.18665675]

The Exegesis of Philip K Dick

[Anonymous No.18665945]

>>18662439
I'm glad this guy is still alive

[Anonymous No.18666287]

>>18662472
>unnecessarily complicated, obscure, and unusable, yet highly adored. only vaguely understood even by people who has read him
Joyce?

[Anonymous No.18666316]

>>18665945
Degreasing his pizza extended his life another five decades

[Anonymous No.18666353]

>>18663666
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Urantia_Book

[Anonymous No.18666460]

>>18662578
based

[Anonymous No.18666560]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbG6u86t4bA
>China
>Virus
>Election
did Terry know too much?

[Anonymous No.18666756]

there was this kids book i remember reading as a child that seems like a fever dream that im not even sure is real, thats my templeOS

tl;dr its like a goosebumps thing but i dont think it was goosebumps. it was about two highschool or younger kids who are rival magicians and are trying to out magic eachother. things that happened
>one of them has to save the other from drowning in a lake, while being attacked by wasps. they cant surface to breath because of the wasps, but his sister on land has a constantly runny nose. they fill waterballoons with snot and bomb the drowning kid covering him with snot slime that protects them from the wasp bites, saving their life
2) a school auditorium magic show is sabotaged. a juggling act of watermelons has the watermelons filled with cockroaches, maggots and other vile things, and the juggler is made to drop them
>the audience is extremely graphically described, with a teacher at the front have a face of hundreds of bulging, pulsating, ready to pop pimples
>the shock of gross bugs causes these pimples to burst and spray the the stage
>the reaction of every other student is to start violently vomiting
>this creates a river of vomit, and the kids seperate like the great sea in the bible
>washing the two magicians out the front door in a river of vomit
lines burned into my head forever. "lunch...became lunch, revisted". its so fucking strange and unsettling when i think about how detailed and specific it was, yet aimed at young adults.

[Anonymous No.18666798]

>>18662544
>>18662565
I third this. I actually dont mind this board as much because the banter is more articulate and i've come across a lot of new novels to read and interesting discussions, but I would as well like to find other sites with less shitposting and teenagers identifying with an emotionally stunted cartoon frog

[Anonymous No.18667674]

The City of God