/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.18657736]

Are you going to read Helen Joyce's new book critiquing trans ideology? I'll post some excerpts.

[Anonymous No.18657739]

[Anonymous No.18657745]

[Anonymous No.18657748]

>>18657736
>Profit from and push liberalism for decades
>Wail and whine once they start getting affected by it
....
If feminists did not want transwomen, they had ample time to stop this before it got too far. They chose this. TWAW.

[Anonymous No.18657756]

[Anonymous No.18657762]

[Anonymous No.18657767]

>>18657736
as long as trannies continue to shame lesbians into sleeping with them, they are based

[Anonymous No.18657768]

[Anonymous No.18657774]

>impotent seething from a w*man
I accept trannies as a welcome ally against our mutual enemy of w*men. They are like the golem that turns against its feminist creators, but there will be no plucky young rabbi to return them to the earth.

[Anonymous No.18657805]

>>18657736
Seems interesting, but I still don't care enough to read it

LMAO, I've been "warned" with the following message
English board

Fucking retards, just use gTRANSlate if you don't understand something. Monolingual cretins.

[Anonymous No.18657806]

>>18657748
>>18657767
>>18657774
stop astroturfing

[Anonymous No.18657813]

>>18657736
Trans are based, stealing athletic scholarships and medals from women.

[Anonymous No.18657819]

So boring. Hypostatizing of "evolutionary biology" to cover up for what you selected as natural and what isnt. Then some handwringing over how the children are being conditioned by the ideology, but pay not attention to the way that all forms of gender socializing, especially the normal kind, are also conditioning. These same points have been constantly recycled for ages now and you're a moron if you think is going to do anything politically.

[Anonymous No.18657831]

>>18657736
The enemy of my enemy is still my enemy or; How I learned to stop worrying and hate w*men and trannies.

[Anonymous No.18657832]

>wahhhh men are stealing my privilege
Tough luck stupid cunts. You wanted to preach "equality", and now you whine when you get your first taste of it. I can't imagine how those whores will react if they get real equality because men are better at everything. Before you ask, yes I am a fag, and no trannies aren't women.

[Anonymous No.18657835]

>>18657739
>transactivists instead of trans activists
Oh boy

[Anonymous No.18657841]

>>18657819
YWNBAW
>>18657832
Based

[Anonymous No.18657887]

>>18657841
Post ynbaw as much as you want, you're still going to lose. Every year trannies become more and more visible, gain more rights, become more accepted, normalized, and naturalized. Do you know why? Because they're smarter than you. Tranners are a natural step in human evolution and this stupid book proves it. All conservatives can do and have been doing is recycle bad arguments and the result is always the same, it fails to be discursively compelling and so it fails to conserve anything. Naturalist arguments always fail because everything is natural if you're going to try to naturalize human culture. Think of the children arguments always fail because its easy to produce studies that show that more kids are happier and better off being allowed to be trans than not. Its ideological conditioning just like 1984 always fails because socializing kids to be normal gender and sex is conditioning too. You lost because you're dumb and can only post memes. The right cant think.

[Anonymous No.18657901]

>>18657887
Absolutely savaged

[Anonymous No.18657903]

>>18657887
>tranny=left
kys

[Anonymous No.18657906]

>>18657887
Eh I'm not to worried.

[Anonymous No.18657908]

>>18657887
You'll be dead (by suicide) within a decade

[Anonymous No.18657914]

>>18657887
>Post ynbaw as much as you want, you're still going to lose. Every year trannies become more and more visible, gain more rights, become more accepted, normalized, and naturalized. Do you know why? Because they're smarter than you. Tranners are a natural step in human evolution and this stupid book proves it. All conservatives can do and have been doing is recycle bad arguments and the result is always the same, it fails to be discursively compelling and so it fails to conserve anything. Naturalist arguments always fail because everything is natural if you're going to try to naturalize human culture. Think of the children arguments always fail because its easy to produce studies that show that more kids are happier and better off being allowed to be trans than not. Its ideological conditioning just like 1984 always fails because socializing kids to be normal gender and sex is conditioning too. You lost because you're dumb and can only post memes. The right cant think.

[Anonymous No.18657917]

>>18657906

[Anonymous No.18657932]

>>18657917
Reading that was one of the funniest things I've done all day.
I'm in stitches

[Anonymous No.18657968]

>>18657887
>Naturalist arguments always fail because everything is natural if you're going to try to naturalize human culture
you have no idea what people mean by "natural"
this is why trannies will always lose

[Anonymous No.18657969]

Why don’t more people realize that transgenderism is a superstition?
Does she talk about that fact in the book?
Gender identity is literally a spiritual belief that is being imposed upon society as if it is a material thing

[Anonymous No.18657979]

>>18657887
>getting all these bites
i'm thinking basado

[Anonymous No.18657993]

>>18657739
>Since evolution has equipped humans with the ability to recognise other people's sex, almost instantaneously and with exquisite accuracy
lmao
>>18657745
>trans are just a lobby!
literally the only reason this is "an issue" it's because it has been weaponized and coopted as a culture war talking point by conservatives trying to rally voters. same reason "crt" is being talked non-stopped now.

[Anonymous No.18657996]

>>18657979
I don't think it was ironic anon

[Anonymous No.18658017]

>>18657932
kinda sad desu

[Anonymous No.18658027]

>>18657736
based transfolk making women and rightwing incels seethe

[Anonymous No.18658039]

>>18658027
>incels

[Anonymous No.18658041]

>>18658027
>transvolk

[Anonymous No.18658042]

>>18657736
>Dawkins endorsement

[Anonymous No.18658059]

>>18657993
>only the grievances of subaltern are legitimate
>normal people have to put up with their deranged nonsensical ideologies just because

[Anonymous No.18658083]

>>18657832
just another kind of dead branch

[Anonymous No.18658103]

>>18657887
The only war you're fighting is against yourself

[Anonymous No.18658147]

>>18657887
>Tranners are a natural step in human evolution
This is how I know reality is actually Hell.

[Anonymous No.18658155]

>>18658147
Do you think this >>18658059 is the natural evolution in human life

[Anonymous No.18658165]

>>18657969
This.
Their argument is that everything about gender is socially conditioned, and therefore the logical thing is to let everyone be who they wanna be (and rigorously enforce this new social conditioning, hunting down any who oppose it). But even if you believe that all gender is a social construct, the two "superstitions" are not the same. The old one, where virtually all people are men or women, and where men and women are in distinct social categories, has prevailed for millennia across 99% of humanity. A few hijras or tranny shamans don't change that.

Admit that gender is a social construct, sure, but don't presume that the new way is the better way.

[Anonymous No.18658166]

I'm sick of trannyshit everywhere
Everyone just shut the fuck up

[Anonymous No.18658189]

>>18657736
Looks shitty because it says "Reality" on the subtitle and thus tells me they aren't familiar with enough continental theory and psychoanalysis to tear trannies an extra hole, totaling three neovaginas.

[Anonymous No.18658203]

>>18658189
Continental solution is to pretend reality isn't real in the hopes it just goes away on its own?

[Anonymous No.18658209]

>>18657736
How did he go from Ulysses to this?

[Anonymous No.18658215]

>>18658203
Please don't associate France with PoMo homo bullshit like Foucault, not all of us agree with this garbage

[Anonymous No.18658280]

What did she write about why trans identity is being pushed by the billionaire elites?

[Anonymous No.18658285]

>>18658203
No idiot. But realitytards simply are ben shapiro tier and always have uncritical views of "Science" the "facts" etc... The true critique of transgenderism must come from Lacanian psychoanalysis

[Anonymous No.18658301]

>>18657736
Literally just realize that 90% of men's intellectual energy is wasted on just dispelling women being women. Trans, nonbinary, and intersectionality, it's all a waste kings. Stay above it.

[Anonymous No.18658311]

>>18658083
Cope. The contributions of Faggots to literature and science will be around longer than even your descendants will remember your dubious legacy as mere breeding stock.

[Anonymous No.18658333]

>>18658285
Refute Gherovici then.

[Anonymous No.18658346]

>>18658333
She's a woman

[Anonymous No.18658411]

>>18657887
Do you really plan on getting your balls cut off anon? I mean you're free to do so but that just seems retarded desu

[Anonymous No.18658426]

>>18658280
Pharmaceutical and medical companies making money

[Anonymous No.18658461]

>>18657767
I don't feel like this actually successfully happens at all. Full-on lesbians are the last people I'd expect to be cowed into that shit.

[Anonymous No.18658776]

>>18657739
>liberal, secular society
Stopped reading there

[Anonymous No.18659428]

>>18657887
Please, sterilize yourself asap

[Anonymous No.18659452]

>>18658461
Yep. As a gay male who uses some LGBT places, transbians are always crying over lesbians lack of want to sleep with them.
In fairness thought the consensus amoung the trans community seems to be that you can't force them to sleep with you and have to respect what they want.

[Anonymous No.18659453]

>>18657969
>Gender identity is literally a spiritual belief that is being imposed upon society as if it is a material thing

The absolute irony of this is that people think that gender, or thereby its "experience" [being female, for example], is somehow imbued into materials. Like a skirt has this "experience" within its threads; or lipstick has this "experience" in its oil.

Apparently, only trans individuals have managed to be able to overcome the issue of self-referential experience AND be able to transmit into the minds and bodies of others. Very groundbreaking stuff they're not sharing.

[Anonymous No.18659462]

>>18658155
Drag is not trans in the slightest.
Why do people keep associating drag with transgender?

[Anonymous No.18659464]

>>18659462
Because trans is drag with extra steps.

[Anonymous No.18659473]

>>18659464
No. It completely denies what transgender people actually want, which is too be seen as members of the opposite gender perfectly and entirely.
To an actual trans person standing out like this would literally be seen as the single worst thing they could do.
Not trans, just dated a passing trans girl for a while.

[Anonymous No.18659490]

>>18657736
>new book
no, message me about it in either 100 years or when she's dead

[Anonymous No.18659493]

>>18659473
>passing trans girl
So you're gay?

[Anonymous No.18659502]

>>18659493
>Noooooo you have to ignore the most loyal and attractive girl you had ever had a chance with up to that point because of my culture war what are you doinggggg
No

[Anonymous No.18659507]

>>18659502
>the most loyal and attractive girl
But it wasn't a girl anon

[Anonymous No.18659509]

>>18657736
BASED TERF
>t. truetrans that thinks the trans "movement" is a horrible lie

[Anonymous No.18659510]

>>18659507
Don't really care desu. They were beautiful, loving and interesting to talk to.
Now call me gay again I'm not gonna respond.

[Anonymous No.18659514]

>>18657736
>>18657739
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>>18657748
>>18657767
>>18657774
>>18657805
>>18657806
>>18657813
>>18657819
>>18657887
>>18657914
>>18657908
>>18657968
>>18657969
>>18658027
>>18658042
>>18658059
>>18658165
>>18658166
>>18658280
>>18658333
Transgenderism in liberalism (the philosophical tradition dating back half a millennium, not a descriptor of a contemporary branch of political alignment, though the critique also applies there) is self-contradictory.

Liberalism is the liberation of the individual from the circumstances of his or her birth. Men and women, black and white, fags and heterosexuals, rich and poor, are born equal; their equality is natural, as a condition of being a human being, and absolute. Because of this, men are equal to women. We of course know this is not true and is a mere animating myth of the tradition rather than scientific fact. But be that as it may, any inequality between man and woman under this tradition must be reducible not to natural differences or evolutionary biology or what have you, but simple social construct; man and woman are not perceived as equal today largely due to "gender" roles assigned to each sex. The man is the breadwinner, the woman the stay at home mom. Those who identify as transgender, who perceive any difference between the two sexes as being purely social, merely wish to adopt one gender role rather than the other. This betrays an acknowledgement of the legitimacy of gender roles, and therefore their existence as something beyond a social construct. But it is this very acknowledgement that is the contradiction: why pine over or attempt to be a woman or man when there is no fundamental difference between man and woman? Their desire of the biological roles of the other sex now becomes transsexual, but as the old 4chan adage goes, they will never be a woman (or a man), and their struggle in this sense is moot; better to provide coping mechanisms or correct their thinking than allow them to have the style but not the substance of the other sex. The indifferent permissive attitude (which is not a departure from the therapeutic mindset - it is simply that the "cure" is indeed society's permission) rather than the corrective attitude is indeed what ultimately leads to mass suicide and overwhelming concomitant rate of mental illness among trannies, and not the mere unenlightened disapproval by those who are already demonized as backwards and beyond consideration.

[Anonymous No.18659516]

>>18659473
Only true trans want this though, which is like 30% of the trans movement.
People who transition for gender euphoria are not valid.

[Anonymous No.18659518]

Seems like more of the same
She's right that there are progressive forces that seem to not have trans people's interests in mind as they push for these trans rights, it's like when progressive media organisations try to publish documentaries or news stories about child drag queens, that does absolutely nothing for the rights and acceptance of gay men
>>18659473
Yeah this
>>18659516
Well I'm AGP and that's what I want so idk about that

[Anonymous No.18659524]

>>18659518
Agp does not mean you transitioned for gender euphoria though if often is the case.
I still think you could've been helped, maybe would've had a shit sex life forever but transitioning should not be the first solution for agps.

[Anonymous No.18659526]

>>18658311
Not once we discredit the very concept of "homosexuality" as something innate in people and anything other than a choice to engage in evolutionarily maladaptive sexual behavior. Same for "transgenderism", which will be just another unfortunate chapter in medical ethics textbooks. Basically these identities will fall out of style and be left behind, forever associated with the massive economic inequality, environmental degradation, and cultural/artistic sterility of the first half of the 21st century. I mean I don't think we'll be able to get rid of them entirely, but we can sufficiently marginalize them so only very few people ever consider them (kind of like what happened to Nazism or white supremacy). The future looks bright bros...

[Anonymous No.18659527]

>>18659473
>passing trans girl
>passing
>girl
No man can be mistaken for a female

[Anonymous No.18659528]

>>18659526
You do know that transexuality existed since as early as we have records of humans right?

[Anonymous No.18659534]

>>18659510
Ok.

[Anonymous No.18659535]

>>18659526
how's it gonna get better

[Anonymous No.18659538]

>>18659524
Well blanchard thinks AGP's should be allowed to transition if they have terminal AGP into adolescence so I'm not sure I could have been helped at the time that I chose to transition (21)
Maybe I could have had help and had my heterosexuality reinforced and strengthened at the onset of puberty though, then it wouldn't have become terminal but I might as well imagine what my life would have been like if I had told my parents that I wished that I had been born as a girl when I was 12, both scenarios are equally fanciful

[Anonymous No.18659541]

>>18659527
No one ever, even other girls ever thought she was male in all the time we dated.
When I told my mother it she was absurdly shocked and had no idea trans people could look like this.
Sorry anon, surgery can do some pretty crazy stuff these days.

[Anonymous No.18659543]

no and i feel everyone who has an opinion on the matter is fixed in their position.

[Anonymous No.18659548]

>>18659528
>source: my revisionary book that exploits any ambiguity possible for the existence (and validity, yup!) of trannies, not to mention their connection and similarity to the revolting abominations that sadly exist in the contemporary dying society that exalts mental illness and victimhood

[Anonymous No.18659553]

>>18659548
If you seriously don't think ancient civilizations didn't acknowledge a third gender you are dumber than you even seem.

[Anonymous No.18659562]

>>18659528
This is another version of the appeal to nature fallacy that the faggots throw up whenever talking about the legitimacy of their mental illness

[Anonymous No.18659567]

>>18658209
Underrated post

[Anonymous No.18659569]

>>18659553
if you stipulate that the only ones that stand up to a scientific level of scrutiny are uniformly religious or ritual in nature sure

[Anonymous No.18659575]

All trans shit is just fucking tiring to read no matter what stance it takes.

[Anonymous No.18659586]

>>18659569
>Scientific scrutiny on religious and metaphysical beliefs about gender
What's your point even? The point here is that transgenderism is not an ideogy of modern times that's going to somehow die out. I do think that the amount of people transitioning will decrease greatly, as most trans people within the last decade are transitioning for a fetish

[Anonymous No.18659587]

>>18659575
Yeah this
I'm trans and I've literally read no books on the subject, it's a waste of time

[Anonymous No.18659603]

>>18657774
> our mutual enemy of w*men.
We get it bro, you're a faggot; but please don't speak for the rest of us guys.

[Anonymous No.18659618]

>>18659586
more like scientific scrutiny (or even due diligence) on the existence of transgenderism separate from ritual. apart from that form it is very much a phenomenon of modern times

[Anonymous No.18659620]

>>18657887
stfu. todays liberals are more conservative than conservatives themselves. "conservative" in the sense that liberal don't question their own belief and they just stick with popular culture. They think different just for the sake of thinking different, with no true reasoning, which is conservative.

[Anonymous No.18659626]

>>18659535
Islam is the worlds fastest growing religion, and has proven remarkably resistant to the kind of subversion that reduced contemporary Christianity to a mere shell of itself. China is also growing it's industrial and military capacities rapidly and will probably be the sole world power in a couple decades. Neither of those have much tolerance for lgbt nonsense, which even in the West took a massive astroturfing campaign to promote. I have hope for humanity.

>>18659553
Some ancient cultures had a "third gender" concept. Many, even most didn't. I don't think any of them had this contemporary lgbt nonsense of being "born in the wrong body" or whatever and actually belonging to the other gender (describing trans as a third gender today would probably get you fired for hate speech lol). But all that proves is that "transgenderism" is a product of ones environment rather than anything inherent in a person. Once we sufficiently erase that concept from our culture new "trans people" simply won't happen (hopefully we can fix some of the existing ones too).

>>18659587
You fell for a meme. I'd suggest you get out now lol

[Anonymous No.18659638]

>>18659626
I've been on hormones for half a decade, there is no meme

[Anonymous No.18659647]

>>18659626
you seem awfully confident in a backwards religion and a people who historically believed their own to have a mandate to conquer the world

[Anonymous No.18659658]

>>18657832
>>18658311
Cope. You are a faggot (and no, you aren't fucking Turing either lol).
You are perverted, try not being gay.
>>18657903
Seethe as much as you want but it is what it is.
>>18659528
Yes, a lot of mental illnesses have.
>>18658285
> Lacanian psychoanalysis
Peak pseud psedoscience.

[Anonymous No.18659659]

>>18659626
>Mesopotamian
>Babalyonian
>Israeli
>Greek
>Rome
>Egypt
>Hun
>Chinese
>Middle eastern
>Khmer
>Every mesoamerican civilization
>Every native American tribe
>Inuit
>Vedic
>Nepalese
I honestly don't know about African but I assume some did.
Id day that's a fair bit anon.

[Anonymous No.18659662]

>>18659626
>he sole world power in a couple decades.
China is a paper tiger and is more fucked then the west is.
Islam is growing, but I'm not sure the long term stability it has given the populations that subscribe to it.

[Anonymous No.18659668]

>>18659626
>China
>against LGBT rights
They're just as bad as the west, in fact even worse in some ways.

[Anonymous No.18659669]

>>18659659
at least the revisionists make it obvious

this is new meme
you like new meme

[Anonymous No.18659674]

>>18659669
Tell me which one didn't then anon and I will gladly show you evidence against it.

[Anonymous No.18659720]

>>18659674
Greece
Here comes men wearing skirts as evidence of trannies

[Anonymous No.18659745]

>>18659720
Holy shit anon that's one of the ones we have the most concrete evidence on.
Read the Symposium.

[Anonymous No.18659772]

>>18657748
Shut the fuck up. Only liberal feminists supported trans ideology and they still do. These are not liberal feminists.

[Anonymous No.18659778]

Reminder that the only people who post in tranny threads are trannies and schizo reppers.

>>18659720
Holy cope

[Anonymous No.18659783]

>>18659745
That's intersex though, not transgender.

[Anonymous No.18659784]

>>18657767
Lesbians hate trannies more than the average /pol/ack. You can't even imagine the hatred. You will never be a woman, kys

[Anonymous No.18659816]

>>18659783
Transgender isn't third gender

[Anonymous No.18659840]

>>18659509
Are you FTM or MTF?

[Anonymous No.18659857]

>>18659840
FtMs do not leave their general on /lgbt/

[Anonymous No.18659889]

>>18659857
I'm a FtM and I hate AGPs

[Anonymous No.18659893]

>>18659889
Even ftm agps?
Use Grindr for a second if you don't believe they exist.

[Anonymous No.18659924]

>>18659893
What the fuck, how does that even make any sense? Female AGPs? That's not a thing, just tranny fantasies.

[Anonymous No.18659990]

>>18659514
>This betrays an acknowledgement of the legitimacy of gender roles,

>and therefore their existence as something beyond a social construct

How does acknowledging the legitimacy of gender roles as a social construct (first greentext) imply their existence as something beyond a social construct?

[Anonymous No.18660030]

>>18659514
>Those who identify as transgender, who perceive any difference between the two sexes as being purely social, merely wish to adopt one gender role rather than the other.
>This betrays an acknowledgement of the legitimacy of gender roles, and therefore their existence as something beyond a social construct.

How does wishing to adopt one social construct (gender role) over the other acknowledge that it is something beyond a social construct?

[Anonymous No.18660102]

>>18659659
The pure pottery that trannys are appropriating premodern mental illness labels and asserting they refer to trans identity. You can't make this shit up.

[Anonymous No.18660130]

>>18659893
I was friends with an FtM who said he developed AGP after about a year on T
It's weird but seems to be a thing

[Anonymous No.18660219]

>>18659674
There was no separation between gender and sex, try again, acting like the opposite sex is not transsexuality

[Anonymous No.18660227]

>>18659893
That degeneracy can exist in a sick society is not evidence of its validity

[Anonymous No.18660249]

>>18658461
trannies always call lesbians transphobic because they dont want any (male) clitoris in their "natural get togethers in the woods"

[Anonymous No.18660417]

>>18657748
they only care because they see it threatens their privileged position