/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.18645261]

What's some good historical literature from a left wing perspective?

[Anonymous No.18645294]

>>18645261
None.

[Anonymous No.18645302]

>>18645261
define left wing

[Anonymous No.18645309]

>>18645302
Define it how you like

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18645310]

Hobsbawm is about as left as I’ve gone. I do want a little objectivity. But I’ll post a couple of lefty themed books I have/want to get to.

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[Anonymous No.18645350]

>>18645309
Gramsci's Prison Notebooks paint a picture of Marxism through the lens of Italian history.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18645358]

[Anonymous No.18645363]

Oxymoron

[Anonymous No.18645368]

>>18645302
Useless eaters

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[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18645379]

>>18645368
>The working class are useless
>Oh, and they’re all tranny!
You worthless neetbucks using traitor

[Anonymous No.18645383]

>>18645302
those who seek to corrupt the standards of their time

[Anonymous No.18645405]

>>18645261
>Arnold Hauser: Sozialgeschichte der Kunst und Literatur (1951)

>E. H. Gombrich: The Story of Art (1950)

When you compare Hauser (Marxist) to Gombrich (Liberal), the differences are appreciable.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18645534]

>>18645383
So, those who see through the status quo. Very brave and wise

[Anonymous No.18645546]

Indigenous People’s History of the United States by Roxanne Dunbar Ortiz

[Anonymous No.18645577]

>>18645534
a way to identify leftists is that they like to distort language. a penchant for wordplay indicates a manipulative person

[Anonymous No.18645624]

>>18645577
>freedom

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18645639]

>>18645577
Mmm. I’ve seen liberals do this far far more often.

[Anonymous No.18645651]

>>18645639
see what I mean? he now wants to pivot to liberals and make a vague claim about how they do it "more" even though they are basically the same

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>>18645651
Since they have control of the narrative, they get to define their enemies and use all sorts of psyops.
“Libertarian” is now misappropriated to mean neoclassical liberal, “anarcho-capitalism” is an oxymoron, “socialism” means nanny state to nearly everyone now, “communism” is synonymous with dictatorship. It’s madness. That’s not what any of that means

[Anonymous No.18645695]

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>>18645695

[Anonymous No.18646359]

>>18645686
Anarcho capitalism isn't an oxymoron. Anarch communism is an oxymoron because you can't have socialism without a state. Capitalism is private property ownership and anarcho is no state. Owning private property does not require a state. Butterfly go post on /soc/

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18646381]

>>18646359
See? You’re not making any sense. Read Kropotkin.

[Anonymous No.18646398]

I got filtered by that book, i'll try to read it later on when I actually know what peasants are

[BLESSÉD FOUR CHARACTER CAPTCHA No.18646407]

>>18645261
Bandits!
Making of the English Working Class
Whigs and Hunters
Peasants war in germanyt4nn

[Anonymous No.18646439]

>>18646381
Explain then. read human action (not an argument but I can do it too)

[Anonymous No.18646448]

Why would you want to read history from any perspective? It inherently is biased.

[Anonymous No.18646475]

>>18645261
Just took a big shit, that looked like a good leftist perspective if you wanna see it

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18646556]

>>18646439
>Explain then.
I already did.
>read human action (not an argument but I can do it too)
¿What?

[Anonymous No.18646588]

>>18645379
That’s not what he said, you fucking philistine

[Anonymous No.18646624]

>>18646359
You can't have socialism without a state, yes, but communism is not socialism. Communism is what socialism is supposed to transition into, which can in fact be a stateless society.

[Anonymous No.18646652]

>>18646624
Damn you fell for that reason, so to have a stateless society you first have to have a totalitarian state. Doesn't seem legit when you can just not do either. A stateless society is a capitalist society, because without the state you only have private property. Socialism is communism, the lie that communism comes after is utopian bullshit which justifies totalitarianism.

[Anonymous No.18646658]

>>18646556
No you didn't you just made some empty assertions and then appealed to authority fallacy.

[Anonymous No.18646718]

>>18645294
This thread can be archived now.

[Anonymous No.18647316]

>>18646652
The idea of an authoritarian transition state is a Leninist invention.

There are many types of communists who do not believe in one at all. Marx did believe communism would have two “stages” but he did not in fact refer to the first one as socialism. He used the words socialism and communism interchangeably.

In fact, Marx warned people about this exact situation. He called it “barracks room communism” as in some people could use socialist ideas to create a military dictatorship. True socialism is democratic.

[Anonymous No.18647455]

>>18645310
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>>18645534
>>18645639
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>>18646381
>>18646556
I sincerely hope you get raped and left for dead in a alleyway next time you go walking at night

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18647504]

>>18646658
It’s HISTORICAL. That’s the authority, ya boob.

[Anonymous No.18647698]

>>18645261
haha i see a nipple

[Anonymous No.18647719]

>>18646448
Someone honest enough to tell you what their interests and intentions are can be more easily read for their biases.

[Anonymous No.18647917]

>>18647504
back to /soc/

[Anonymous No.18648637]

>>18646359
>Owning private property does not require a state.
kek

[Anonymous No.18648989]

>>18648637
>one man on island
>build shelter
>new man comes to island
>WHO OWNS SHELTER? NO STATE NO OWNERSHIP!!!11!!
>tries to steal shelter (stealing implies clear ownership)
>owner kills thief

[Anonymous No.18649017]

>>18648989
>>one man on island
>strawman
That man on the island would probably burn all his "possessions" to get back to some state

>>tries to take possession of shelter
>one of the two dies
that's exactly the point btw

[Anonymous No.18649370]

>>18649017
Not a strawman, you made no argument to straw man

Private property is for conflict avoidance, realistically the new man would not assume no one owns a shelter and since a man occupies it he would know through possession that he is the clear owner and they would be able to cooperate together to improve themselves. Without private property that is he owns the shelter and trades him the room to live in if he gives him some food he catches then there would be constant conflict. Since private property is derivable from self ownership and natural appropriation it does not require an external entity to acknowledge. That is I make a shelter, the shelter is mine.

[Anonymous No.18649520]

>>18649370
>Not a strawman
>one man on island
Virtually non-existent situation + irrelevant compared the other 7000000000 actual people's reality = strawman

>Private property is for conflict avoidance, realistically the new man would not assume no one owns a shelter and since a man occupies it he would know through possession that he is the clear owner and they would be able to cooperate together to improve themselves. Without private property that is he owns the shelter and trades him the room to live in if he gives him some food he catches then there would be constant conflict. Since private property is derivable from self ownership and natural appropriation it does not require an external entity to acknowledge. That is I make a shelter, the shelter is mine.
This anyway would be personal property, strictly speaking.

[Anonymous No.18649564]

>>18646359
>Owning private property does not require a state

you blew in from stupid town pal?