/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.18618702]

We have reached comfy levels previously thought impossible.

[Anonymous No.18618724]

>>18618702
Holy Zeus, I need this edition

[Anonymous No.18618850]

Don't forget about Landmark Thucidydes and Landmark Julius Caesar anons, they're very comfy too

[Anonymous No.18618887]

>>18618702
i just bought the oxford classics edition did i fuck up?

[Anonymous No.18618917]

>>18618887
How? Those are great

[Anonymous No.18618925]

>>18618887
Also, the Landmark edition looks great with the illustartions and all but its about 2.3x the price of Oxford Herodotus.

[Anonymous No.18618951]

>>18618925
Does the Oxford edition have maps too?

[Anonymous No.18618967]

>>18618951
If it doesn't he/you goofed indeed.
Landmark are in a league of their own.

[Anonymous No.18618970]

>>18618887
Yes. The maps alone are worth buying landmark

[Anonymous No.18619022]

>>18618967
Why does it matter if it has maps? Im very familiar with the geograpgy of Europe and the Mediterranean

[Anonymous No.18619028]

>>18619022
Not the anon who asked whether he fucked up in buying the Oxofrd edition. Im the anon who said its 2.3x cheaper than the Landmark one.

[Anonymous No.18619030]

>>18619022
Are you familiar with various locations and cities that existed during that time period?

[Anonymous No.18619050]

>>18618887
No. Landmark is a bit overrated imo. Maps are reused alot and the books are a little oversized.
I preferred the penguin deluxe edition. Had plenty of maps and notes, but the maps weren't reprinted and the book was the same size as the Iliad an such in this post >>18618970
Plus I've heard the landmark translations are older. Certainly true for thucydides

[Anonymous No.18619065]

>>18619030
The more famous ones, yes. But I guess you have a point.
Still, if Herodotus mentions an island he (or the footnotes) also tells you if said island is near Cyprus or located in the Aegean. I guess you wont know with 100% accuracy tho.

[Anonymous No.18619072]

>>18619065
I read the wordsworth edition btw.

[Anonymous No.18619074]

>>18619050
Oh noooooo not the oversized books! You sound like that one anon I talked to a while ago who got absolutely btfod.

[Anonymous No.18619082]

>>18618970
Are those landmarks in hardcover or paperback I can't tell from the pics but damn why are the Herodotus ones out of print

[Anonymous No.18619109]

>>18619074
you sound like that one anon a few months ago whose mother, sister & all other extant female relatives i raped in front of him

[Anonymous No.18619124]

>>18618970
Are those Landmarks hard or soft cover?

[Anonymous No.18619130]

if i’ve already read herodotus, is it any point in reading the landmark edition as well?

[Anonymous No.18619141]

>>18619082
hardcover

>why are the Herodotus ones out of print
Maybe you can find one on ebay. That's what I did.

[Anonymous No.18619187]

>>18619074
We are talking about different versions of the same book. The pluses and minuses are gonna be negligible because what matters is the text it's self.
But I see you're a faggot who can't stop getting on your knees for landmark
Are you waiting on the landmark anabasis cause you can't bare to read it as it exists now in other forms?

[Anonymous No.18619195]

>>18619187
Cope

[Anonymous No.18619201]

>>18619195
Suck harder

[Anonymous No.18619221]

>>18619187
>t. can't lift the book because it's too heavy
post body you fucking limp wristed faggot

[Anonymous No.18619240]

>>18619221
It's not a matter of weight, it's a matter of feeling like I'm reading a book, not a text book.

Minute point I know but so are the differences between different versions of the same book (like I already said). But you faggots blow up landmark like it's the greatest thing ever when it's no better or worse than many others.

[Anonymous No.18619837]

>thread turned into retarded shit-flinging after about 15 posts

[Anonymous No.18619939]

>>18619837
Pretty standard

[Anonymous No.18619964]

Hippocleides doesn't care!

[Anonymous No.18619991]

>giant ants bro

[Anonymous No.18620006]

>>18619991
>vast expanses of Europe uninhabitable as the air is nothing but swarms of bees
OP's right, Herodotus is the comfiest.

[Anonymous No.18620012]

>>18618702
yeah, reading this under a warm blanket with the rain outside is out of this world

[Anonymous No.18620023]

>>18620006
>flying snakes in egypt

[Anonymous No.18620089]

>>18619964
i need this fucking t-shirt
>>18620006
didn't he himself think it as snow?

[Anonymous No.18620098]

>>18619991
apologize

[Anonymous No.18620247]

>Now as for the carrying off of women, it is the deed, they say, of a rogue: but to make a stir about such as are carried off, argues a man a fool. Men of sense care nothing for such women, since it is plain that without their own consent they would never be forced away.
>The Phoenicians, however, as regards Io, vary from the Persian statements. They deny that they used any violence to remove her into Egypt; she herself, they say, having formed an intimacy with the captain, while his vessel lay at Argos, and perceiving herself to be with child, of her own free will accompanied the Phoenicians on their leaving the shore, to escape the shame of detection and the reproaches of her parents.
Gigabased Heredotus, I love this nigga so much it's unreal

[Anonymous No.18620295]

hero has one book, thuchy has one book, but xenophon seems to have a bunch. what xeno books are worth reading?

[Anonymous No.18620359]

>>18620295
Anabasis
Helenica
The one skilled at hunting with dogs
Regime of the Athenians
Regime of the lacadaemionians

[Anonymous No.18620370]

almost completely OT, but I gotta ask - need help with latin phrase, are there latinfags willing to lend their brains to feller in a bind?!

[Anonymous No.18620528]

it's so slow moving that I might better post the question and hope I get the answer...
so, translating "so that History would not be forgotten"
which would be true (if any, feel free to obliterate my vulgata)
>Tam historia non oblita fuerit.
or
>Tam historia non oblita sit.
?

[Anonymous No.18620538]

>>18620359
Don't read the dog hunting one lmao. The one about his friend the king of Sparta was good though

[Anonymous No.18620558]

>>18620370
post the phrase retard

[Anonymous No.18620569]

>>18620558
>retard
>does not see post directly below

[Anonymous No.18620593]

>>18620528
>>18620569
Maybe oblīvīscātur but ask here https://www.reddit.com/r/latin/comments/ofif6s/english_to_latin_translation_requests_go_here/

also historiam

[Anonymous No.18620612]

>>18620593
>historiam
Or probably not, I don't know passive subjunctive or whatever is this

[Anonymous No.18620624]

>>18620593
thanks. too bad I can not into plebbit
i decided against historiam because I considered history is the passive subject in this case
Historiam would be more appropriate if I used "so that WE do not forget history" ... or at least I think so

[Anonymous No.18620625]

I don't understand how people can hate on this book, it's got everything. The fact that he wandered around for 30 years writing it and got memed on by locals at points makes it that much better.

>The Lydians have no great architectural wonders, aside from this one tomb for a king. The funds for its construction were given entirely by tradesmen, craftsmen, and whores. Even now on the pillars you can read what amount was contributed by which group, and after totaling the sums, I have learned that the largest amount was given by the whores.

[Anonymous No.18620628]

>>18618970
>>18619082
>>18619124
>>18619141
What is the binding? Is it sewn, or is it like a paperback binding with a fake hardcover case?

Need to decide whether its worth it to get the hardcover vs softcover.

[Anonymous No.18620633]

>>18620625
that just adds to the comfy. history is narratives anyways for the most part

[Anonymous No.18620666]

>>18620628
it is sewn

[Anonymous No.18620697]

>>18620528
Tam is a different type of so. It should be "ut". Also obliviscor is deponent and takes genitive objects...not suitable for a passive construction like this, because when you say
>historia non oblita sit
people will understand it as
>may history not have forgotten (something)
as in history itself is the one forgetting something.

Therefore we will use the verb oblittero, which is regular and has an excellent connotation and etymology in this context anyway.
>ut historia non oblitteraretur
This is using the imperfect. The correct tense may need to be adjusted depending on the context.

[Anonymous No.18620707]

>>18620538
The dog hunting one is worth it for him talking about how much he hates sophists

[Anonymous No.18620897]

>>18618887
nah, waterfield's translations are fire

[Anonymous No.18621499]

>>18620897
Landmark Caesar + online essays (printed by Lulu) gang gang gang

[Anonymous No.18621569]

What is the logical next step for someone who enjoyed Herodotus’s Histories?

[Anonymous No.18621584]

>>18618702
>got this for my older brother for his birthday
>put a lot of thought into it, got really excited at how much I know he would like it
>years later now
>he never once opened it
>last time I went to his apartment he mentioned getting rid of a lot of books because his fiancée wanted to "declutter"
>it was gone

[Anonymous No.18621746]

>>18621584
Why did you know he was going to like it when he didn’t even open it? It sounds like he isn’t interested in history at all so what prompted your decision.

[Anonymous No.18621834]

I loved how all the random stories about Egypt
>Pharaohs had women piss on their face to cure blindness
>women work outside and men stay inside to weave
>one pharaoh made his daughter whore herself to pay for a pyramid

[Anonymous No.18621893]

>>18620538
The dog hunting book is wonderful, both on his impression of dogs and his way of looking at how hunting with dogs (and being out in nature) as children helps to build good men as adults.

[Anonymous No.18621918]

>>18621569
i’m in the same position, and i’m gonna go for thucydides and then xenophon, arrian and then maybe the roman historians. but i fear nothing will ever top my boy herodotus

[Anonymous No.18621921]

>>18618702
is Landmark Thucydides as good as this? I wanna read history of Peloponnesian war but idk which version to get

[Anonymous No.18621974]

>>18618702
Definitely peak comfy, and then a gripping war story of underdogs winning against the odds. Wonderful book. Haters will hate but Herodotus is as based as they come. I sometimes imagine what it would be like to meet him in a bar and hear him tell stories of his travels while drinking. I always smile when I read him.

>>18618850
>>18618970
>>18619050
>>18619187
The Landmarks are all terrific, and they have gotten progressively better with each new work. The Thucydides and Herodotus translations are fine but not great, but that's made up for with all the notes, maps, archaeological digressions, diagrams, etc. If you're familiar with the geography of the areas then they're nice to have but not essential, but if you're going in without a strong grasp of the geography, or are concerned about reconciling ancient and modern names while reading with a map, they are invaluable.
The translations of Xenophon, Arrian, and Caesar are all top notch, and the Caesar translation really should be the new standard - it is terrific and almost novelistic in quality.

If you can manage it, hardcovers are the way to go since they will lay open on their own, whereas the softcovers will want to close up on themselves. Generally not an issue with books, but with the size of these ones it kind of is.

But anyways, these are wonderful books, and Herodotus is indeed supremely comfy.

[Anonymous No.18622024]

Comfy levels almost at critical mass

[Anonymous No.18622034]

>>18621569
>>18621918
Unironically manethos aegypticia
Manetho talks about a pharaoh getting killed by a hippo, the exodus, etc.
He's not herodotus but he ain't bad

[Anonymous No.18622050]

>>18621746
He may have liked it when he was younger

[Anonymous No.18622132]

>>18622024
is this even out yet

[Anonymous No.18622140]

>>18622132
Not yet. The release date is set for December 7. It's going to be a very comfy Christmas season for me, reading it by the fire with some whiskey or brandy.

[Anonymous No.18622205]

>>18622034
what edition should i get?

[Anonymous No.18622236]

>>18622205
I read the Loeb classics one. It was fine. Had some maps iirc. Others may be good too

[Anonymous No.18622339]

>>18622236
thanks m8, esl fag so i will see if i can find it in my meme language, if not i’ll get my first loeb

[Anonymous No.18622356]

>>18621584
That's too bad anon. At least you tried. I think gift giving is really precious

[Anonymous No.18622488]

>>18622050
growing out of history? Never heard that before.

[Anonymous No.18622532]

>>18622488
Not necessarily growing out of it, but not having time for it/feeling busy and thus becoming disinterested due to tiredness
I got a full time job and a gf in the last year. This year I've only read 5 books. Last year I read 28.
It's sad but it happens. I still make time to read but it ain't easy. Typically only do it when I take a dump or have a few minutes to myself

[Anonymous No.18622848]

>>18620006
Heh. “Princess rustling.” I knew I was going to have a good time when I read that.

[Anonymous No.18622867]

I read Herodotus years ago and remember it as one of the most comfy and entertaining books I've ever read. There's nothing comfier than a friendly voice out of the past telling you all the crazy shit he heard about actual people, tribes, and states that actually existed. Sometimes it felt like I was reading a real-life Lord of the Rings.

[Anonymous No.18623300]

>>18620697
thanks! now that's exhaustive reply. many thanks!

[Anonymous No.18623492]

>>18621569
Nothing tops the Histories, but I enjoyed Nihon Shoki and Myths and Legends of Hawaii. Kojiki is also apparently good for folk-tales. More recently, Legends of Vancouver by Takehionwake has some serious Herodotus vibes, but it's a lot shorter and episodic.

>>18622034
Seconding this. I've heard Manethos wrote Aegypticia as a direct response to Herodotus, in order to correct some of the mistakes he made.

[Anonymous No.18623498]

>>18621569
Plutarchos is a good next step, I reckon

[Anonymous No.18623576]

Any suggestions for books to read alongside the primary sources?
Is Ancient Greece - A Political, Social and Cultural History required reading?

[Anonymous No.18623630]

>>18621974
Based shelf. If I may ask, do you have a job? I reckon a lot of lit posters would be good civil servants or diplomats

[Anonymous No.18623632]

>>18623576
I dunno, I find most secondary ruminations by modern (((scholars))) rather subversive and inventive. if you're good at rejecting plain out dumb conclusions or conjectures, then go ahead. still, nothing beats the primaries

[Anonymous No.18623638]

>>18621974
lmao dis nigga larping as some jumanji hunter

[Anonymous No.18623825]

>>18621746
He was a history major. It wasn't that much of a stretch.
>>18622356
I do too. I hate my family's tendency to just eternally give each other gift cards.

[Anonymous No.18624026]

why do we pretend that the medieval european dark ages doesn't exist

[Anonymous No.18624748]

>>18623630
I am indeed a moderately successful civil servant. I don't think that most /lit/ posters would make very good diplomats, kek, but I'm sure most could manage at something in the public sector if they so chose.

[Anonymous No.18624770]

>>18624026
>medieval european dark ages
>he bought the "dark ages" myth that the jews sold him

[Anonymous No.18624880]

>>18624748
>very good diplomats
I dunno... would be pretty nice if my country's diplomats started every meeting with other dignitaries with
>gas the kikes, race war now!

[Anonymous No.18624986]

>>18624880
>gas the kikes, race war now!

Saying this diplomatically will lead to the same mistranslation that Cyber-Yang will come up with in 2500 years:

>Fuel the Arabs, that they might race with us.

[Anonymous No.18625017]

>>18624986

[Anonymous No.18625653]

>>18618702
best version of this online to download and similar books?

[Anonymous No.18625659]

Are landmark editions worth the $50? I can't find used or old copies of the hardbound ones

[Anonymous No.18625761]

>>18618702
Why is the hardcover edition so expansive anons? Will they ever do a reprint/have announced one?

[Anonymous No.18625790]

>>18625653
Oh crap, just saw your post. Here in europe the cheapest hardcover I can find is around 70€ (used, of course). What the actual fuck? When the books came out it was less than half of that. I don't get it why they don't do a second run, it's been more than a decade. Fucking folio society larping faggots

[Anonymous No.18625801]

>>18625659
>I can't find used or old copies of the hardbound ones
dood, I wish you were in my shoes - Lithuania, no native translations of any good primary sources
except
>Herodotus
>Tacitus' Annales
>Seneca's Epistulae
>some Vergilius, some Ovidius, some Petronius and smaller fish
Titus Livius? nah, just take this excerpt from Punic War 2.0, and not even complete.
Tacitus Historiae? meh, just few excerpts
Tacitus Vita Agricolae? not for you plebs!
Plutarchos? just few biographies
Plinius the Yunger Epistulae? sure... but not all, we will decide which are relevant for you (actually fucking wrote that in forword!)
Polybios? nah, fuck you
...
and since buying online sucks donkey ass now with plandemic, and since all third country (EUssr) shipments are now subject to tax and seizure by goobs...
do what I am going to do - print it out and handbind it
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbCGQEhxF94sQqb3zUqChXw

[Anonymous No.18625805]

>>18625790
Meant to reply to >>18625761
I'm obviously retarded, I don't deserve this book

[Anonymous No.18625825]

>>18625801
That sucks
I thought most countries don't tax books...

[Anonymous No.18625847]

>>18625825
most but not super duper into EUssr's arse Lithuania.
one dood asked a fren of his to send bunch of free bibles from USA (you know, the "let's proselytize the shit out of the world" bible thumping USA). those books were free! it was written on the package...
you can guess what happened - got message from customs to pay the big bro or lose it. naturally dood said fuck it

[Anonymous No.18626419]

>>18625801
Lithuania looks peak comfy tho

[Anonymous No.18626429]

I read the Everyman’s Library version which was a very biblical style translation. Really wish I knew about these when I started

[Anonymous No.18627249]

imagine what having sex with Herodotus would be like

[Anonymous No.18627434]

>>18624748
Nice, what ur salary

[Anonymous No.18627477]

>>18623576
Calasso