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when do i end with the greeks....
its been 3 months....

>> No.18603565

>>18603562
Before you may begin with the Greeks, You have to spend 2 years learning their ancient language.

>> No.18603569

>>18603562
>He fell for the meme
Are you retarded or what? No one here reads, much less start with the Greeks.

>> No.18603575

>>18603569
s-so do i move on to the romans now? i dont get it....what next?

>> No.18603581

>>18603575
Read whatever the fuck you want. Why are you asking /lit/ for advice on reading? No one here even reads.

>> No.18603591

>>18603581
I read some things one time

>> No.18603599

>>18603562
I'm starting Aristotle right now, I figure after this I'll be done with the Greeks and move onto the more contemporary stuff. I'll probably read Herodotus later though.

>> No.18603624

>>18603562
as my prof once said: you really do need ten years (after your PhD, obviously) to understand the Greeks quite right.

That's a load of bull so I'm hoping for a second student strike.

>> No.18603749

>>18603581
I once read the back of a packet.

>> No.18603787

>>18603562
That's it? That's only a minor fraction of a year.

>> No.18603810

>>18603562
you were supposed to read the presocratics, plato and aristotle, and only if you're into philosophy. did you fall for the homer meme?

>> No.18603821

>>18603562
What have you gotten done?
3 months isn't that much anyways. This is a lifelong commitment, faggot.

>> No.18603828

read plato and if you can find a place to talk about it in person. take a small class if you're still in college/there's a community college nearby/you can.

>> No.18603872

>>18603810
>>18603821
i started with homer and then got into all the philosophy. i liked aristotle and the stoics too. plato bored me. probably because i wasnt in the mood at the time which has probably left me permanently hating plato but i dont really care. currently im doing paramenides.
i just want to know when i can move on...someone please tell me when to end with the greeks

>> No.18603923

>>18603872
Your perfectly fine, Jesus Christ, don't let yourself get bored. Move on whenever you want to, you've already read more of the Greeks than 90% of the faggots perpetuating that meme. Also had a similar experience with Aristotle and Plato btw.

>> No.18603951

>>18603872
You can move on whenever you want now, you've done far more greeking than most people on this board.

>> No.18603973

>>18603562
>>18603575
>>18603872
All these Greeks didn't help you and you're still a pathetic loser who can't make his own decisions and asks anonymous strangers on a Vietnamese basket-weaving forum when he finally can stop doing something he doesn't enjoy. So stop immediately, it's doesn't lead you anywhere.

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>>18603562
whenever youve completed this chart

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>>18604007
I don't know how much more I can take...
>>18603923
>>18603951
But what do I move on to? "Start with the Greeks" implies that there's some sort of reading program I need to follow. I started with the Greeks. So now what? What the fuck comes after the Greeks?

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>>18604030
>I don't know how much more I can take...
iktf. i thought the dialogues of plato were extremely mundane as well. its tiring but it will teach you discipline and its good to have as a foundation. also i highly recommend picrel. ive read all of the chart i posted so ignore the people itt saying no one here reads they're idiots. think about it like this: after youre done you can read a fun subject that interests you. best of luck you owe it to yourself

>> No.18604111

>>18603562
Consider starting over or >>18603973. And starting therapy.

>> No.18604113

>>18604098
who does it cover?

>> No.18604162

>>18603624
This is why Greek and Latin were taught to children. The ship has already sailed once you’re an adult. Sure, you can still study these languages but it’s much more difficult.

>> No.18604177

>>18604030
>start with the greeks
>move onto the neoplatonists and the church fathers
easy

>> No.18604225

>>18604113
This two-part sourcebook gives the reader easy access to the language and thought of the Presocratic thinkers, making it possible either to read the texts continuously or to study them one by one along with commentary. It contains the complete fragments and a generous selection of testimonies for twenty major Presocratic thinkers including cosmologists, ontologists, and sophists, setting translations opposite Greek and Latin texts on facing pages to allow easy comparison. The texts are grouped in chapters by author in a mainly chronological order, each preceded by a brief introduction and an up-to-date bibliography, and followed by a brief commentary. Significant variant readings are noted. This edition contains new fragments and testimonies not included in the authoritative but now outdated Fragmente der Vorsokratiker. It is the first and only complete bilingual edition of the works of the Presocratic philosophers for English-speakers.

>> No.18604232

I spent over a year on the greeks and now I'm reading hellenistic stuff like apollonius and theocritus. I don't regret it idk why you're being such a bitch
>>18603872
>didn't even read the playwrights
christ almighty do you even like literature

>> No.18604384

>>18604098
What did you find mundane about them? Currently reading them and am actually really enjoying them. There is a sense of humor about them that I really enjoy and they have certainly opened my mind up a few times. (Ex. Why fear death if you don't understand it?)

>> No.18604407

>>18604030
>But what do I move on to?
Read whatever you want. How fucking hard is it?

>> No.18604423

>>18604030
If you're such a midwit you should have read a secondary work that explains why you're retarded.

>> No.18604429

>>18604177
do you have a chart
>>18604232
fine. what should i read
>>18604407
then why did i have to start with the greeks?!

>> No.18604434

All philosophy is a footnote to Plato.
This isn't even a joke or meme.

>> No.18604437

>>18604429
>then why did i have to start with the greeks?!
Because its a fucking meme you dumbass. And you fell for it like the retard that you are. Just read whatever the fuck you want.

>> No.18604450

>>18603562
NEVER END READING THE GREEKS. NEVER EVER END. PRESS ON AND YOU SHALL BECOME MORE POWERFUL THAN /LIT/ CAN EVER IMAGINE

>> No.18604463

how much have you been reading per day?

>> No.18604466

>>18604429
>fine. what should i read
I mean the bare minimum for the playwrights is Aeschylus' Oresteia, Sophocles' Theban plays (this one isn't a real trilogy like the Oresteia, they just all related in terms of subject matter) Euripides' Medea, Iphigenia in Tauris & the Bacchae and finally Aristophanes' Clouds, Birds, and Frogs. Ideally you read everything they wrote but you're obviously impatient so whatever.
>then why did i have to start with the greeks?!
because the traditions of philosophy and literature are not magically separate and the insights from later works are not immanently available to you outside of time. you need to hermeneutically reconstruct the author's consciousness in your mind and you do this by, at bare minimum, reading what they read. If you were serious about literature and philosophy you would go back and read the greeks anyway but instead of wasting your time you can speedrun it by doing it chronologically

>> No.18604470

>>18604463
/lit/ doesn't read books though.

>> No.18604543

>>18604466
thanks
>>18604463
too much
>>18604437
was it real just a meme all along...

>> No.18604556

>>18604543
no such thing as too much, a few hours?

>> No.18604570

>>18604556
probably 2-4hrs on weekdays and more on weekend

>> No.18604604

>>18604429
>do you have a chart
No and it isnt really necessary. You'll find other works listed in texts and footnotes etc.

>> No.18604720

>>18604429
The chart is the historical timeline of authors coming in succession one after another. Therefore, you start with the first and end with the last. Ez