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[Anonymous No.18596627]

Was Lenin based or was he redpilled?

[Anonymous No.18596805]

>>18596627
I would like to travel to Russia one day just to spit at his taxidermized corpse.

[Anonymous No.18596867]

>>18596627
What works of Lenin worth a read if you're not remotely socialist politically? He published very prolifically.

[Anonymous No.18596874]

>>18596867
His work on agricultural economics.

[Anonymous No.18596963]

>>18596874
This?
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1899/agriculture/first.htm

Fuck this new captcha btw

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>>18596627
An asshole rightwing commie. By my use of these terms, neither based or red pilled

>>18596805
It’s behind glass like the Mona Lisa, tard.

Yeah, fuck this captcha. It’s not even April 1st

[Anonymous No.18597176]

>>18597152
if he wasn't redpilled, why is the flag colored red?

[Anonymous No.18597192]

>>18597152
>he's an asshole >:(

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18597201]

>>18597176
State socialist co-opted the socialist flag. Same as liberals co-opting the name libertarian. Dips have been confused ever since. (I was one of those dips once)
Marxism is at odds with socialism, communism, and anarchism

[Anonymous No.18597231]

>>18596874
>theory of farm labor management from pre-industrial russia
>written by a noble who did not farm
>whose theories resulted in mass starvation

[Anonymous No.18597239]

The only leftist I actually respect. He had the balls to stick his neck out there, and as a result he became one of the Great Men of history. He altered the course of history and transformed the world, and for that he deserves recognition, even if I disagree with many of his philosophical and political conclusions. He is a great man in the same way Napoleon was a great man.

[Anonymous No.18597244]

>>18596627
He was a chosenite

[Anonymous No.18597279]

>>18597152
He saw the writing on the wall, which causes much seething among anarcho-liberals like butterfly.
Fuck trannies.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18597281]

>>18597239
He hijacked a movement, crushed very people who had helped defeat the White Russians, and put himself into the leadership position where he dictated now mostly worthless books. He liked to strut around with this fisherman’s cap to seem more folksy, but he was an ivory tower intellectual. Bourgeois to the core.
The people industrialized. Lenin let a sociopath succeed him. The foundation of the Revolution, same as the American and French Revolutions, where rotten from the start.
But that’s because all states are rotten

[Anonymous No.18597283]

>>18596627
Hes right with State&Revolution. You can't abolish a state it just has to wither away in the future.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18597298]

>>18597279
Again with this 2nd garder’s insult.
There’s nothing liberal about anarchism. Only the classical liberals calling themselves “anacho-capitalist are liberals

Oh. And the other taunt. You seriously have to be no more than 16.

[Anonymous No.18597300]

>>18597201
what group in lenin times the most red pilled? Makhno or what?

[Anonymous No.18597325]

>>18597231
lol

[Anonymous No.18597366]

Based
>>18596805
you won't do shit, bitch

[Anonymous No.18597375]

>>18597298
Are you going to tell me about Stirner and how carrying your own weight in society is actually a "spook"? Politically you are the worst poster on this board.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18597381]

>>18597375
Tranny, please. You’ve never even read Stirner.

[Anonymous No.18597391]

>>18596627
based AND red pilled. he mercilessly crushed the anarchist faggotry that was working in tandem with the counter-revolution by fighting for the independence of peasantry from the proletarian dictatorship. unfortunately, he made the mistake of admitting leftist elements to communist parties, which ultimately resulted in them overpowering communists in the Stalinist counter-revolution.

[Anonymous No.18597404]

>>18597391
Time to read Nove-Millar you voluntarist liberal. Rt4sw

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18597405]

>>18597391
>that was working in tandem with the counter-revolution
No, fool. He employed the counter revolutionaries! THATS who killed them. That’s who infiltrated the party. It’s right there on the cover of this book >>18597281

[Anonymous No.18597432]

>>18597152
he makes butters seethe, which is how you know he was very based

fuck this stupid fuckign captcha god damn

[Anonymous No.18597463]

>>18597381
Your whole political philosophy is a huge rationalization on why you should be able to live like a NEET while the peasants toil in the fields for your daily needs. And should they ever DARE to put their hopes in a higher power, a nation state or a loving family unit -you'll briefly descend from your ivory tower to haughtily "de-spook" them and remind them of their duties to serve YOU. God forbid that they search for comfort in communal interpersonal relationships of any kind.

Add a healthy spoonful of niggers and trannies that need to be provided for for good measure. That's your Stirner socialism. It's reprehensible.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18597475]

>>18597432
Like I said before, he and the statists fuck things up.
They’ve been fucking with peoples movements in every state. It’s quite the challenge having to deal with state power’s monopoly on violence, and the American psyops peace movement certainly doesn’t help.

[Anonymous No.18597498]

Makhno is cool, I don't know if he written worthwhile stuff but his action were cool, he fucked both totalitarians for a while

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18597517]

>>18597463
I have worked my whole fucking life. And retirement seems an eternity away when I’m in declining health. This isn’t a reasonable lifestyle to press upon anyone. Haven’t you read Kropotkin? Graeber? Haven’t you yet looked at Bolo’bolo? Do you seriously think we’re all Bob Black, Michael Malice and Stirner?
Read a fucking book for once.

[Anonymous No.18597526]

>>18597475
>and the American psyops peace movement certainly doesn’t help.
chomsky et al, an anarchist, and the trots were fundamental to this movement. Anarchism is the greatest weapon and psyop of the bourgeois state for suppressing and neutering the left into the liberal cesspool we see today
kys butters, seriously

[Anonymous No.18597547]

>>18597475
>he and the statists fuck things up.
Statists are the most based people out there. They realized fascism was right and decided to go for it, draped in communist colors. Look at modern China, they are proof that state capitalism and the like are the idea form of communism.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18597548]

>>18597526
You’re thinking of the progressive movement. DSA, Bernie, those hippies. No. Serious anarchists are shunned and people avoid talking about them in “MSM”. They try to swallow any young radicals and turn them into pacifists. It’s not anarchism, it’s liberalism castrating anarchism

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18597561]

See this >>18597547 comrades? This is what Bakunin and the rest of us are referring to.
State-capitalism is a two headed beast.

[Anonymous No.18597569]

>>18597548
>You’re thinking of the progressive movement. DSA, Bernie, those hippies.
I'm skeptical that chomsky was part of this crowd at the conception and height of the new left, but I'll concede if only for the reason that I hate it myself when rightoids bunch liberals in with leftists
I stand by that anarchism has devolved into a bourgeois psyop though
>>18597561
jfc ok fuck you
>muh red fash
just kys

[Anonymous No.18597570]

>>18597517
yes we know you work very hard as a starbucks barista

but anyways fuck you all AGP white first world trannies like you are just psyop victims from CIA funded “leftist” identities like the anarkiddy identity

I am a non white working class HSTS tranny unlike you and if Lenin and Stalin pissed and shit in a bucket it’d be worth more than your joke purely a parasite on society who’s job is to make socialist activism as retarded and harmless as possible

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18597890]

>>18597569
Plenty are. Graeber politely points them out in Direct Action. They get squeamish when the “cruddies” show up, they roll their eyes at black bloc “violence”

>red fash
Lenin himself hated the left socialists.
Here we have rightwing socialism ascending in China. Look how bright the future is. I’m not even sure what role they may have played with covid.

>>18597570
>I am a nonwhite transwomna salt mine/seamstress, fuckyoufuckyoufuckyou for having been born with plastic spoon in your mouth, I still eat out of bucket with hand
I can’t take IDpol seriously

[Anonymous No.18598018]

>>18597890
>“cruddies”
what is this?
>Lenin himself hated the left socialists.
yes because they're dogmatic spergs
>Look how bright China's future is.
uh, yeah? looks pretty good to me so far

[Anonymous No.18598056]

>>18597526
>Liberalism bad
>Capitalism bad
Who is this fucking retarded?

[Anonymous No.18598067]

>>18598056
what the fuck are you talking about you daft cunt?

[Anonymous No.18598074]

>>18597570
Lenin and Stalin were both fucking losers, and I'm glad their fucking dead. Who the fuck would be retarded enough to be a socialist today with the deaths it caused? Please, read some Adam Smith, Bastiat or some basic bitch Hellenistic Philosophy. Stop reading garbage you get from twitter, kid.

[Anonymous No.18598075]

>>18598018
>cruddies
Filth larpers

[Anonymous No.18598080]

>>18598074
>muh 60 gorillion deaths under gommunism

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18598091]

>>18598018
>cruddies
The train hopper, genuine squatter types
>dogmatic
Anarchists? The ivory tower intellectual statists are the dogmatists. Caleb Maupin?
>China
Yeah. Let’s hope we don’t get too many more viruses from them and Gates.

>>18598056
You seem to be very confused. Come in. Would you like a blanket and some coffee?

[Anonymous No.18598094]

>>18597375
These niggers don't know anything about Stirner. Stirner was an Hegelian who translated Say and Smith - he wanted nothing do with anarchism. He never called himself one, and he only had critiques for them and a disdain for politics. Dude explitically rejected communism his book, calling it an empty theory, a sham, and a horrific collectivist ideology.

[Anonymous No.18598102]

>>18598080
Yeah, it did. You can just lie about it all you want - it doesn't matter. People know what you did. In the United States, the people here will just shoot you and not any time having a discussion some bitch asss Sovietboo MLarper. Talk tough offline, but when you log off, watch your back

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18598117]

>>18598094
He called what he saw around that. Later anarchists adopted his ideals. It’s an organic ideology that grows and improves upon itself.

[Anonymous No.18598136]

>>18598091
>Caleb Maupin
this retard does not speak for me, whereas anarchism is and has proven fundamentally dogmatic - which is why Lenin hated them
>Yeah. Let’s hope we don’t get too many more viruses from them and Gates.
kek you've got to be kidding me. you're better than this butters

>>18598102
come get me retard

[Anonymous No.18598137]

>>18598117
Lmao, and anarchists adopted Nietzsche too - that doesn't make a him a fucking anarchism you twerp.
>It’s an organic ideology
Its just more retarded vision of Marxism these days. You, and that dumbass tankie that also in this thread both just need to be shot. Please, log off and do that retarded shit outside so someone can just blow your worthless fucking brains and free the world from your non-sense. And >>18598080 should just drop dead ASAP

[Anonymous No.18598145]

>>18597890
>>18597570 #
>I am a nonwhite transwomna salt mine/seamstress, fuckyoufuckyoufuckyou for having been born with plastic spoon in your mouth, I still eat out of bucket with hand
I can’t take IDpol seriously

You only think this bc ur a rapehon cracker

[Anonymous No.18598160]

>>18598137
lmfao you think that I'm scared by pic rel? i fucking hate ceausescu - he's a fuckwit who got exactly what was coming for him. I say that as both a communist and a romanian.
so come get me faggot

[Anonymous No.18598168]

>>18598102

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18598189]

>>18598136
Could you flesh any of this out? You said nothing to prove your point and failed to say anything about China.

>>18598137
*some* adopt Nietzsche, some Tolstoy, some adopt uncle Ted. Some have no use for any of those. It’s a naturally growing thing socialism. (Not dogmatic certainly!)
Thinkers of the past don’t have any say in it what the children of tomorrow do with their ideas.
Stupid bootlicker. Sad.

[Anonymous No.18598196]

>>18598160
You are sacred you anti-fa faggot. Please, why are you posting 4chan? Get offline. Please, defend communism in person so someone can fuck you up.
>>18598189
Get shot please, thanks. You faggots are fucking worthless. Nothing you say is worth taking seriously. Die in a fire.

[Anonymous No.18598201]

>>18598196

[Anonymous No.18598217]

>>18598189
>Could you flesh any of this out?
Left coms "no compromises" slogan? I admit I'm not anywhere near as versed in anarchism as you are, I'm more pointing out why Lenin hated left coms
>You said nothing to prove your point and failed to say anything about China.
I'm not sure what there is to say, since you didn't really say anything other than facebook boomer tier shit muh china and gates

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18598219]

>>18598196
Go to bed.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18598230]

>>18598217
Uncompromising than. Good reason too. State socialism has set us back over a hundred years now.
Well, yeah, we’re still mostly in the dark about what happened, but it certainly came from that lab and it was designed to be a money making scheme, but can be used for political and social gains. This is a crippling blow to most everyone but China. You’re not at all suspicious?