which is the best part of the Qur'an?

[Anonymous No.18463869]

If you had to read only a part of it, which it would be?

[Anonymous No.18463874]

>>18463869
What's with all the muzzie cumran spammers lately? Fuck off back to your cave, sand creature.

[Anonymous No.18463876]

>>18463874
why do I have to be muslime to read the Qur'an? I'm not

[Anonymous No.18463879]

My favorite is when God talks to Muhammad's (may his name be hallowed!) disciples about how Muhammad doesn't like it when people stay to chit chat after dinner, but he's too much of a faggot to tell them without blushing, so God is telling Muhammad to write it down in the quran, so they can read about it.

[Anonymous No.18463881]

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[Anonymous No.18463894]

>>18463879
can you, please, cite the chapter (or whatever you call) so I can find it?

[Anonymous No.18463908]

>>18463879
>>18463869
my favourite part of the quran is when he visits his adopted son's house to find him not there, he is greeted by his adopted son's wife
the wife of his adopted son isnt expecting muhammad to be there at that time of the hour, and justifiably, she wasnt dressed appropriately
mohammad get's incredibly aroused at the beauty of his adopted son's wife and his adopted son realises mohammad looking at his wife inappropriately
then, mohammads son in law tells mohammad that he can marry his wife if he wants, as he is the prophet of god, but mohammed, being a pious, virtuouos, honorable man of course denies that ridiculous offer.
then, after a few days, allah reveals a new chapter of the quran permitting a person to take the wife of their adopted son for marriage, and thus forces his adopted son to get divorced and marries his wife.
quran 33:37 i think it was
read around it

[Anonymous No.18463923]

>>18463908
clear lechery
strictly forbids muslims to marry only and only up to four wives, if they are all treated justly
mohammed: marries 11 wives and 2 of them are kids

[Anonymous No.18463938]

>>18463908

[Anonymous No.18463965]

where can I buy a hardcover quran for relatively cheap? preferably one with sand nigger scribbles on the front or some cool aesthetic

[Anonymous No.18463971]

>>18463965
dearborn, michigan

[Anonymous No.18464467]

>>18463923
God said that Mohammed could have as many wives as he wanted.

[Anonymous No.18464585]

>>18463869
Surat al ikhlas, since it's worth 1/3 of the entire Quran.

[Anonymous No.18464603]

>>18463869
Surah Al-Alaq is my favourite by a lot.
Very beautiful and absolutely /lit/

[Anonymous No.18464831]

>>18464467
Mormonism really is the American Islam huh...

[Anonymous No.18464883]

>>18463869
I'd like to know this too. I've tried reading the Quran a bunch of times and it's really just mediocre. Meanwhile, I am moved to tears by random passages in the OT and NT.

[Anonymous No.18464927]

>>18463869
Surat Yusuf is perhaps the closest thing to a linear story, for those interested.

[Anonymous No.18464940]

>>18464927
I don't care about linearity. Give me a passage that will make me think it's by God, and not a third-rate attempt by Muhammad to copy the Old Testament and apocryphal gospels.

[Anonymous No.18464945]

>>18464603
>Surah Al-Alaq is my favourite by a lot.

Just read it twice and it's not good. I hope this isn't the best the Quran has to offer.

[Anonymous No.18464961]

>>18464883
To be frank, I tear up when I recite the Qur'an in Arabic, but the translation does nothing for me.

[Anonymous No.18464962]

>>18464940

You’ve already decided what the Qur’an is; thus, it will be nothing else.

[Anonymous No.18464985]

>>18463874
They're everywhere man and yet they make threads like: why is islam hated here? When every 2nd thread is an islam one

[Anonymous No.18464995]

>>18463923
>>18463908
And yet mudslims call it the perfect book.
The hadiths man are so good. Even the one that they accept as not a fabrication is filled with contradictions from one page to another. Kek

[Anonymous No.18465002]

>>18463869
Obviously Al-Baqara since it's basically a summary of all the Quran's theme and it even includes the fun violent stuff.

[Anonymous No.18465055]

>>18463894
O you who have believed, do not enter the houses of the Prophet except when you are permitted for a meal, without awaiting its readiness. But when you are invited, then enter; and when you have eaten, disperse without seeking to remain for conversation. Indeed, that [behavior] was troubling the Prophet, and he is shy of [dismissing] you. But Allah is not shy of the truth. And when you ask [his wives] for something, ask them from behind a partition. That is purer for your hearts and their hearts. And it is not [conceivable or lawful] for you to harm the Messenger of Allah or to marry his wives after him, ever. Indeed, that would be in the sight of Allah an enormity.
33:53

The guy was so obviously a guru.

[Anonymous No.18465092]

>>18463908
Kek.

There's also that verse where Muhammad allows himself to have more wives than other muslims (33:50). Even Aisha kek'd at hime.
Narrated Aisha:

I used to look down upon those ladies who had given themselves to Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and I used to say, "Can a lady give herself (to a man)?" But when Allah revealed: "You (O Muhammad) can postpone (the turn of) whom you will of them (your wives), and you may receive any of them whom you will; and there is no blame on you if you invite one whose turn you have set aside (temporarily).' (33.51) I said (to the Prophet), "I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires."

[Anonymous No.18465116]

>>18465092
And then Sunnis act surprised when they see Shias don't like Aisha.

[Anonymous No.18465127]

>>18465055
Is this the pettiest thing ever included in a major religious text?

[Anonymous No.18465156]

>>18464962
Nah, I've come to Islam and the Quran with an open mind.

[Anonymous No.18465162]

>>18465092
>"I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires."
Why is God helping his prophets a bad thing. Another example of a dumb seething femoid

[Anonymous No.18465167]

>>18465127
Remember that this verse is considered by Sunnis to have existed for all eternity. It's literally part of Allah.

[Anonymous No.18465177]

>>18465162
She doesn't say it's bad, she's laughing at him because he obviously makes up verses when it suits him.

[Anonymous No.18465181]

This part was kind of based:

>Whenever We intend to destroy a society, We command its elite 'to obey Allah' but they act rebelliously in it. So the decree 'of punishment' is justified, and We destroy it utterly.

https://quran.com/17:16?font=v1&translations=20%2C131

[Anonymous No.18465183]

>>18465127
No religious text is perfect. Perfection belongs to God alone.

[Anonymous No.18465191]

>>18465183
But Muslims literally do claim that it is perfect, and that it’s perfection is evidence of its divinity.

[Anonymous No.18465194]

>>18465191
No finite thing is perfect. Only God, who is infinite, is perfect.

[Anonymous No.18465209]

>>18465162
>Another example of a dumb seething femoid

wasn't she Muhammad's favorite wife, and he died in her lap or some cheesy bullshit?

are you telling me he couldn't tell who was a real friend or not?

[Anonymous No.18465213]

>>18465181
I only see Muslims destroying their own societies though. I guess that's what this verse is about.

[Anonymous No.18465235]

>>18465194
That’s nice, but Muslims have told me to my face that it is perfect, in fact so perfect that it could not have been created by man.

[Anonymous No.18465258]

>>18465194
>>18465183
Muslims literally (literally) claim that the Koran is co-eternal with Allah and uncreated. (!!!)

Any other claim is haram according to Muslim doctrine.

As such, the Koran in Islam is roughly equivalent to Christ in Christian doctrine.

[Anonymous No.18465286]

>>18465177
>he obviously makes up verses when it suits him.
God summoned bears to kill a bunch of teenagers who made fun of a prophet's bald head. God looks out for his prophets. Aisha was just a jealous whore

[Anonymous No.18465294]

>>18465209
>wasn't she Muhammad's favorite wife, and he died in her lap or some cheesy bullshit?
According to some hadiths yeah others tell a different story

[Anonymous No.18465320]

>>18465294
So bizarre. Why would any Christian or Jew for that matter consider the message of Islam and Muhammad's prophecy to be unerring and final? There's so much confusing bullshit and petty drama in the creation of Islam and the events that followed Muhammad's death.

[Anonymous No.18465338]

>>18465320
Imagine missing out on God's religion because of a woman's pettiness. I feel bad for you anon. This is not the way to assess the truth.

[Anonymous No.18465344]

>>18465338
There's way more than Aisha's whoring that makes Islam seem like bullshit.

[Anonymous No.18465355]

>>18465338
>gets a revelation from Allah that Aisha didn't cheat on him when she was 14 with a caravan chad

yeah it's a perfectly valid way to assess the truth of Islam...the dude was a cult leader and the prank got way out of hand

[Anonymous No.18465366]

>>18465235
>>18465258
I guess you could say that it is perfect in the sense that it is perfectly itself and not any other thing. However, if you were to do that, then this would also be the case with all other finite things, which would be perfectly themselves and not any other thing. It would not be meaningful to say that there is a special category of things that are "more perfect" because all the finite things have already been defined as equally perfect.

[Anonymous No.18465374]

>>18465344
If you have reservations about the life of the Prophet, study of the life of Ali. The life of Muhammad ﷺ contradicts 21th century liberal morality so it filters out some people, but even with your liberal mindset I don't think you could find flaws in Ali.

[Anonymous No.18465404]

>>18465374
Ali was a good dude and should have received the revelation. A shame the way him and his family were treated. But the Shia veneration of Ali doesn't make Islam more believable, because now I'm forced to think that Judaism and Christianity's messages were corrupted, but somehow all the dickheads in Islam triumphing over Ali is not a corruption of Muhammad's message.

Only Sunnism makes sense if you're going to believe Muhammad's message wasn't corrupted, but his message is retarded.

[Anonymous No.18465411]

>>18465338
If the scriptures posted are any indication, God’s pettiness is what’s really troubling.

[Anonymous No.18465422]

The part where you burn it

[Anonymous No.18465436]

If you kept most of the rituals, replaced Muhammad with Ali, made the Quran better but also included much of the OT and the Gospels, then it would be a believable religion as the primordial/final form of Abrahamism. But as it stands it's just a LARP by Muhammad and Quraysh who decided if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

[Anonymous No.18465443]

>>18465404
>but somehow all the dickheads in Islam triumphing over Ali is not a corruption of Muhammad's message
Are you assessing the truth of a religion by its worldly success? Then Muhammad's ﷺ conquering of the whole Arabia after being a poor man should suffice. If not, then consider whether the triumph over Ali and his family was anything but a test for believers, which many as you can see have failed.

[Anonymous No.18465451]

>>18465443
>>18465436
Ali lost because he was a nice guy.and nice guy's have no business being an emperor. So a contradiction emerges. If he didn't act the way he did he would have won but you wouldn't be sucking him off right now

[Anonymous No.18465453]

>>18465443
so then why is Christianity or Judaism's message corrupted?

[Anonymous No.18465470]

>>18465451
Ali was the pinnacle of morality, but he wasn't by any means "nice". You should read how he fierce he was in the wars and how austere he was in his legal rulings.
>>18465453
Perhaps another test for the believers?

[Anonymous No.18465476]

>>18465470
>Perhaps another test for the believers?

Alright. I'm gonna go now since you have crap for arguments. Ali was a good man though, don't get me wrong.

[Anonymous No.18465522]

>>18463869
Whatever is on the cover, and even that is asking a lot.

[Anonymous No.18465529]

>>18465476
>Ali was a good man though, don't get me wrong.
Have you read about his absolute devotion to Muhammadﷺ? In the Battle of Uhud the Muslims were almost losing so they mostly ran off, Ali and a few were the only ones remaining and protecting the Prophet and they just barely survived. There was once an assassination plot on Muhammad ﷺ and he agreed to be his double. He also accepted nearly suicidal missions from him when others (Abu Bakr and Umar in particular) refused. Are you going to just write it off as blind devotion?

[Anonymous No.18465538]

>>18465529
>Are you going to just write it off as blind devotion?
Yes. Ali was literally raised by Muhammad because his father was too poor to raise him.

[Anonymous No.18465570]

>>18465538
>Ali was literally raised by Muhammad
That is true, but I have never seen someone so devoted to their father or cousin. You might know one of Ali is sometimes called Hujjat Allah - the proof of God, meaning that his existence itself is another proof for God. I find myself agreeing with that. He is also called Bab Allah - the door to God, meaning that you can find God through him. If you study his life carefully, you might come to the conclusion, as I did, that no ordinary man could have done the things he did.

[Anonymous No.18465598]

>>18465570
The way you're talking. Are you a Sufi?

[Anonymous No.18465604]

>>18465598
I am a Shia. Though it goes without saying Sufism is integrated in Shi'ism by default.

[Anonymous No.18465647]

>>18465604
What is going to happen when the Twelfth Imam comes out of his occultation?

[Anonymous No.18465659]

>>18463874
If christcucks can make a billion threads a day about Christianity, so can mudslimes about Islam.

[Anonymous No.18465689]

>>18465647
He will organize an army with Jesus Christ, and God willing, they will defeat all corrupt rulers and governments and establish a just kingdom that will remain so for centuries. With that, the religion of God will be restored to its rightful place.

[Anonymous No.18466066]

>>18465604
>Though it goes without saying Sufism is integrated in Shi'ism by default.

How do you cope with Ibn Arabi being a staunch Sunni? Not that it really matters, since he fossilized Islam.

[Anonymous No.18466360]

>>18466066
Obviously he was wrong. You should check out Sayyed Haydar Amuli, a Shia mystic and one of the most important commentators of Ibn Arabi. I have not read him myself but I hear he deals with that sufficiently.

[Anonymous No.18467769]

>>18465167
It makes sense.
Allah swt revealed it just a bit later, but that doesn't mean it didn't exist before that moment.

[Anonymous No.18467783]

>>18465258
The Qur'an is perfectly preserved from a to z.

[Anonymous No.18467799]

>>18465443
Then Judaism is true, since they decide which European country you spend your days in while bombing your country.

[Anonymous No.18468389]

>>18463879
>>18463908
>>18463923
>>18463938
>>18463965
>>18464467
>>18464831
>>18464883
>>18464940
>>18464995
>>18465055
>>18465092
>>18465127
The problem with westerners reading the Qur'an is that they read it, questioning everything on the way, the same way you would read a regular book. It is only a modern notion to question Scripture, as if man with all his faults is somehow superior to what is divine. I will tell you, faith in Scripture is the foundation of religion, when the Christians questioned thier books, the Jews swept in, taking all of what they have and leaving nothing, i do not wish for Muslims to share the same fate, i do not wish the Scripture to be corrupted by your tainted hands and your harsh words

[Anonymous No.18468419]

>>18468389
You're the one lacking faith if you think hard, rational questioning destroys it. Implictly you admit what you believe is bullshit and any inquiry will expose it. At this point you're just arguing for delusion because otherwise da jew boogeyman is gonna steal your stuff.

[Anonymous No.18468432]

>>18468419
>hard, rational questioning
How's that going, for the West?

[Anonymous No.18468442]

>>18468432
Given the entire world is now the West with local flavours, pretty good.

[Anonymous No.18468470]

>>18468389
People have been questioning Qur'an ever since it was revealed, especially the jews. That is not the problem. The problem is westerners want it to correspond to their already established beliefs about what is good and what is bad (not realizing that that is decided by God alone, not man), so they just make trite and petty objections that are so below consideration that you don't know what to say.

[Anonymous No.18468486]

>>18468470
You're full of empty words. What this thread really shows is that the Quran is ridiculous. It's laughing stock. We're laughing at it because it's was written by a guru making up "divine" verses for personal advantages.

[Anonymous No.18468504]

>>18468486
Be that as it may, you and I will find out the truth on the Day of Judgment. I at least won't be ashamed before my God for denying his Prophet.

[Anonymous No.18468512]

>>18468504
May he reward you in many rivers full of camel piss then.

[Anonymous No.18468539]

>>18468512
He will give everyone what he deserves. May he save you from the flames.

[Anonymous No.18468562]

>>18468539
>deserves
>may
If he's all knowing, there's no free will and he already decided what everyone's going to do with their life and who will be saved.
Making the entire stuff even more pointless if there was any need to.

[Anonymous No.18468565]

>>18468486
>>18468512
westerners are devoid of faith and resort to petty insults

[Anonymous No.18468583]

>>18468565
Half the Quran is your guru insulting everyone on earth. Hell he even made a surah to insult a random guy and his wife no one cares about.

[Anonymous No.18468587]

>>18463874
american propaganda machine goes whirrrrr hate muslims whirrrr

[Anonymous No.18468597]

>>18463869
The state of /lit/ that this turned into an Amerifag Muslim hate thread instead of discussing the actual topic/question.
Amazing Atheist is highly active on this board. Also can not nearly as many ludicrous stories be drawn from the Bible that your hillbilly neighbours preach every Sunday?
Americans are so far disallusioned by their media machine they can't help but listen to what big Israel says LOL

[Anonymous No.18468603]

>>18468583
And how many Muslims people are draining your country of it's wealth annually?

And now - how many Israelis are draining your country of it's wsealth annually?

Which Abrahamic religion truly deserves due criticism? Is it really the one that is so often persecuted by your government??

[Anonymous No.18468608]

>>18468603
There's no jewish conspiracy, that's all memes. The only wealth ortho jews are draining is Israel's citizens.

[Anonymous No.18468614]

>>18468608
And anyway that's whataboutery.

[Anonymous No.18468633]

>>18468614
Thanks IDF. I never did say there was/is a Jewish conspiracy. Regardless - you seem quick to defend Israel so suddenly! Enjoy inbred literature (Talmud)

[Anonymous No.18468651]

>>18468633
>da jew boogeyman

[Anonymous No.18468714]

>>18468651
Da samefag erroneously defending Jewish people despite only mentioning Israel.
Stop trying to lead the conversation..

[Anonymous No.18468735]

>>18468714
Take your meds.

[Anonymous No.18468745]

>>18468735
yeah, and trans women are valid, right?

[Anonymous No.18468749]

>>18468735
Baseless defense/argument (not really sure if you're attacking me or attempting to defend someone else??) no. 3

[Anonymous No.18468750]

>>18468597
>implying that people who laugh at the quran don't also laugh at the bible
Your holy books are bullshit ameritard. The Old-testamentarian religions are wrong about God and people who follow them waste their lives following false prophets.

[Anonymous No.18468756]

>>18468750
Ewww it's a stinky chink EWWW!!!! ~~~ go back to your mud huts mongol!! God isn't real anyways, now quit throwing insults for the sake of morality!

[Anonymous No.18469047]

>>18468750
>>18468756
you will never be a woman

[Anonymous No.18469138]

It is actually a really GOOD thing that few hundreds years after Mhmd's death (assuming he existed at all) someone carried away the Black Stone from Petra to what is now known as Makkah and set up a new House of God there. Just imagine if the Qibla didn't change at all and all Hajj pilgrimage still was done at Petra. It would be disastrous for all those historical monuments there, the Nabatean carvings, tombs, buildings etc, for there's a good chance some in all these 1400 years some blockheaded fuckers would decide to destroy them all (when even Mhmd didnt, only the idols) and make a big city like you see aroubnd Makkah's Kaabah today.

[Anonymous No.18469397]

>>18469047
Cope harder muselman

[Anonymous No.18469759]

>>18469138
>Recently, Petra has been put forward as the original "Mecca" by some in the revisionist school of Islamic studies, owing to claims of large numbers of independent pieces of evidence,[citation needed] namely that the early original mosques faced Petra, not Jerusalem or Mecca, as the direction of Muslim prayer, the Qibla.[51]
I see (((the revisionists))) are hard at work.

[Anonymous No.18469818]

>>18468389
im the anon who posted the post about muhammad marrying, zaid (his adopted son's wife - out of lust)
>the problem with westerns
the problem is im not a westerner, im a middle easterner who was brought up in a muslim household, so i speak and read arabic
i used that advantage to examine the quran and all i found was error upon error
thankfully i was able to see through the deception of religion and the harm islam has caused to the arab world
pre-islamic arabia was the zenith of the arab culture
all islam has done is deteoriate and strip cultures off their identities.

[Anonymous No.18469825]

>>18464603
surah al-alaq is by far the worst and here's why:
scientific error upon scientific error
muslims like to claim "muh desert-dwelling illiterate prophet knew about embryology before science discovered it", yet the quran completely gets the stages of development within an embryo completely incorrect, and it is a carbon copy of what galen wrote 500 years before islam.

[Anonymous No.18469842]

>>18465235
muslims, like many other religious zealots are delusional
>they claim it's perfect
>in fact so perfect it could not have been created by men
but it literally is created by men
who do you think wrote the quran?
it was muhammad's companions, i.e. uthman, ali, abu bakr etc.
written by men, just like every other religious text

[Anonymous No.18470051]

>>18469818
>the problem is im not a westerner, im a middle easterner who was brought up in a muslim household, so i speak and read arabic
You can be who are spoken of in the hadiths whose hearts shall be hearts of foreigners, while their tongues will be those of Arabs.

[Anonymous No.18470078]

>>18470051
>You can be who are spoken of in the hadiths whose hearts shall be hearts of foreigners, while their tongues will be those of Arabs.
this post is very ironic because before islam and mohammad ravaged the arabian peninsula the arabs, we practiced our own religion and tradition - which was paganism
what islam did was spread like a cancer and completely removed culture and tradition from our nation - just like any other country.
all the muslim countries today are a regurgitation of islamic tradition, nothing is left in it that is of their original cultures
my original faith is paganism, not islam
your argument is invalid
you're the one following a foreign doctrine which is islam

[Anonymous No.18470110]

>>18470078
We wuz pagans n sheit

[Anonymous No.18470120]

>>18470051
He's right though:
> pre-islamic arabia was the zenith of the arab culture

[Anonymous No.18470227]

>>18470110
pretty much the whole world was up until the abrahamic cuck religions ravaged the globe

[Anonymous No.18471037]

>>18469397
>posting pictures of human faces (which is haram)
>muslim

[Anonymous No.18471110]

>>18465659
Christianity and the Bible have directly influenced literature though in such a way that you need to be at least somewhat familiar with it in order to understand the western classics. The same cannot be said for the Quran, even outside of a western perspective. No, I'm not christian.
>>18470110
Yes, literally every culture/people was pagan before monotheism. Some were polytheistic, others animistic, etc.

[Anonymous No.18471158]

>>18471110
>The same cannot be said for the Quran
It seems like you have not read Attar, Halaj, Rumi, Islamic neoplatonists, ibn Arabi, among others.

[Anonymous No.18471188]

>>18471158
Those relatively are very niche though, which was my point. Not that the Quran never influenced literature, but that the Bible (indirectly) has influenced most of the literature discussed on this board, except for what came before it of course.

[Anonymous No.18471223]

>>18471188
So if a niche of literature wasn't discussed on this board then we aren't allowed to talk about it now? What kind of reasoning is this?

[Anonymous No.18471278]

>>18471188
>ignores the literature of an entire civilization because it is not in English

[Anonymous No.18471282]

>>18469825
no.

[Anonymous No.18471315]

>>18464945
The Quran is not beautiful to anyone who is not used to or not open to the style it is written in. Especially under scrutiny of someone not familiar with the Arabic language.
Al-Alaq is beautiful for its command to really seek and revel in knowledge, under the intent and supervision of God. It's metaphysically interesting as well because it is stating the insignificance of men, and to remedy this by seeking knowledge, to truly differentiate itself from other creatures. It's also a commentary on knowledge itself, how nothing is knowable beyond what is God gifted.
If you find in it nothing of interest, I am sorry for you.

[Anonymous No.18471382]

>>18471223
Did I say you were not allowed retard? I merely explained the fact that nobody bats an eye when there's multiple Bible threads, but become (understandably) suspicious when multiple Quran threads pop up. It's because of the literary significance.
>>18471278
>English board
>every time Quran is discussed "you have to read it in Arabic"
>wonders why most people don't read Arabic texts
Really? I'm not even an Anglo myself but you're being disingenuous here buddy.

[Anonymous No.18471513]

>>18471037
kek, imageboards are haram, bro, get out of here

[Anonymous No.18471530]

>>18469825
>muh science!!

[Anonymous No.18471541]

>>18471382
>but become (understandably) suspicious when multiple Quran threads pop up. It's because of the literary significance.
It's because these threads are a shameless attempt at proselytism, and whenever challenged, the Muslims on this board demonstrate that their religion makes them incapable of abstract thinking.

[Anonymous No.18471546]

>>18470078
you don't even know who Uzza is and you claim paganism is your roots, Islam is beyond tradition

[Anonymous No.18471566]

>>18471382
>It's because of the literary significance.
Uhh, no, it's because most people here are christian. if you enter a muslim literature forum, you will get more Qur'an threads because there are more muslims

[Anonymous No.18471579]

>>18471315
Seems as though it's only interesting if you already agree with the rest of the book.

[Anonymous No.18471601]

>>18471541
Exactly.
>>18471566
No, most people here are irreligious. Of the religious people, the majority are christian. Which is logical when you think about the demographics that visit this place. Therefore the multiple Quran threads are most likely just muslim spam because they want "muh equal representation".

[Anonymous No.18471618]

>>18471601
>Therefore the multiple Quran threads are most likely just muslim spam because they want "muh equal representation".
You ever consider people just want to discuss literature?

[Anonymous No.18471671]

>>18471601
>Therefore the multiple Quran threads are most likely just muslim spam because they want "muh equal representation".
It’s not about “representation,” it’s about trying to convert people.

[Anonymous No.18471710]

>>18471618
Sure, that's why I made the point about the Bible being very influential to literature being discussed here while the Quran is not, and that therefore the multiple Quran threads are rightfully regarded with suspicious. There's only a small minority of muslims here, especially compared to the Christians, so the multiple Quran threads are definitely out of place.
>>18471671
Those are not mutually exclusive.

[Anonymous No.18471739]

>>18471710
>therefore the multiple Quran threads are rightfully regarded with suspicious.
The way they’re written also seems very suspicious, almost as if there’s some sort of strategy to it. This place is full of vulnerable, insecure young men, so it’s not a bad place to look for potential converts, but the ones that try here are just so dumb, I doubt they’ll see much success.
That being said, there is one Shia pantheist guy who seems pretty cool.

[Anonymous No.18471782]

>>18463869
>DONT THINK DONT THINK DONT THINK DONT THINK DONT THINK
If god's holy book requires you to turn your brain off to read it, what does that mean? Why can't I question it? Wouldn't examining the perfection of the Qur'an reinforce my belief that the Qur'an is truly logically perfect AND written by God himself?

[Anonymous No.18471787]

>>18463869
The part where you shut it and put it back on the shelf.

[Anonymous No.18471794]

>>18469825
That's because Islam is a terrible rip-off of Judaism.

[Anonymous No.18471824]

>>18471782
>DONT THINK
What is this? The Qur'an repeatedly says it is a sign for those who think. Have you even opened the book?

[Anonymous No.18471860]

>>18471824
Is it sinful to question god and hold the Qur'an to scrutiny? I'm studying this religion because it seems pretty based ngl

[Anonymous No.18471895]

>>18471860
>I'm studying this religion because it seems pretty based ngl
Wait until you read the Torah then.

[Anonymous No.18471954]

>>18471860
Imam Ali repeatedly encourages the use of intellect to know God, so thinking and questioning in themselves are not sinful at all. That said, they were some jews during the Prophet's lifetime who tried to use sophistry and bad faith reasoning to, in their own mind, get the better of Islam. Needless to say, they were only harming themselves. So whether this is sinful or a wholesome spiritual vehicle depends on your intentions.

[Anonymous No.18471961]

>>18471739
>That being said, there is one Shia pantheist guy
Anon you might be referring to me, since I am the Shia who posted earlier. I have sympathies to mysticism but I would describe myself as strictly monotheist. I appreciate the compliment though.

[Anonymous No.18471970]

>>18471110.
>Yes, literally every culture/people was pagan before monotheism. Some were polytheistic, others animistic, etc.
The evolution of religion is pop history nonsense. Guenonfag should be here any moment to enlighten you.

[Anonymous No.18471993]

>>18471824
>The Qur'an repeatedly says it is a sign for those who think.
I don't remember this. What I recall is that the Koran repeatedly says that it is a sign for those who *believe*.

[Anonymous No.18472053]

>>18471954
>Imam Ali repeatedly encourages the use of intellect to know God
wow Islam really is BIG BRAIN

[Anonymous No.18472086]

>>18471993
See for example Surah Yusof, Verse 2.
Yusufali:
>We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur'an, in order that ye may learn wisdom.
Pickthall:
>Lo! We have revealed it, a Lecture in Arabic, that ye may understand.
Shakir:
>Surely We have revealed it-- an Arabic Quran-- that you may understand.
Qarai:
>Indeed We have sent it down as an Arabic Quran so that you may exercise your reason.
The important difference is on is the word تَعْقِلُونَ, which comes from the root غ ق ل, meaning the intellect. So, the word roughly means "using intellect", and the last translation is the most accurate here.

[Anonymous No.18472102]

>>18472053
Yes. This is important because sadly some sects think the study of sciences like philosophy are impermissible, which is not true.

[Anonymous No.18472114]

>>18471110
Name some western classics

[Anonymous No.18472133]

ngl islam threads are just sad, they all devolve into proselytizing

[Anonymous No.18472222]

>>18472133
>proselytizing
This is because Islam is the retarded brother of the 3 Abrahamic religions. It's why the threads are either Muslims trying to convert retards or retarded LARPers trying to pretend like Islam isn't a fetid sand cult.

[Anonymous No.18472244]

>>18472222
>fetid
I like it when this word is spelled "foetid". What do you think?

[Anonymous No.18472265]

>>18472222
Islam commands the Muslims not to insult the other monotheistic religions, so that their followers would not insult the religion of God. Though I can't help but think whether you are abusing our patience.

[Anonymous No.18472360]

why should I read terrorists book?

[Anonymous No.18472362]

>>18472265
No wonder why you guys get ass owned by Mossad on a daily basis

[Anonymous No.18472423]

>>18472265
> you are abusing our patience
So what happens when it runs out? XD
Will you blow up?

[Anonymous No.18472473]

>>18472086
So it isn't possible to use intellect or exercise reason without the Arabic Quran?

[Anonymous No.18473068]

>>18472473
Of course it is possible, but as you noticed there is an emphasis on its being Arabic. Muslims aren't making things up when they say you should read it in Arabic. It's an entirely different experience.

[Anonymous No.18473148]

>>18472265
>Islam commands the Muslims not to insult the other monotheistic religions,
Seems like a lot of Muslims aren't very good at doing as their god commands.

[Anonymous No.18473198]

>>18473148
All the insults in this thread are from non-Muslims directed to Islam.

[Anonymous No.18473849]

>>18471188
Yes it did, it indirectly influenced Dante's conception of Hell, and the story of the Green Knight

[Anonymous No.18473907]

>>18463869
the BACKSide of the "Book" the Part where not Superstitious nonsense is written

[Anonymous No.18473919]

>>18473849
Are you implying the Quran was more influential to the Comedia than the Bible?

[Anonymous No.18473935]

>>18471970
Guenon doesn't disagree that all peoples were pagan before they were monotheistic. He would add that they were probably (some different form of) monotheistic before that though. Do you believe abrahamism has always existed or what?
>>18472114
Shakespeare

[Anonymous No.18474460]

>>18472265
Islam requires its adherents to believe that a child molester was the greatest human who will ever live. It's not surprising that people outside of your traditions react strongly to that.

[Anonymous No.18474757]

>>18472133
I don't see any of that here? All I see is butthurt western incels reeing about Islam, because we can't have a single thread for the second-most-read religious book in the world. That or they just ree about how much they hate sandniggers. Not sure what else I expected from a bunch of incels though

[Anonymous No.18476185]

Surah 109 is my personal fav

[Anonymous No.18477416]

>>18463923
Wait what?

[Anonymous No.18477559]

>>18474757
Leave

[Anonymous No.18477707]

>>18463869
Allah is a myth
the Koran is fiction
islam is bullshit

[Anonymous No.18477735]

>>18477707
*tips*

[Anonymous No.18477911]

>>18463869
Surat Al Imran

[Anonymous No.18477921]

>>18463874
>>18464985
There’s an Islam discord that organizes these thread on /his/ and /lit/. They try to bait debates and use their amazing circular reasoning skills to btfo christcucks!

Disgusting mudslimes.

[Anonymous No.18478011]

>>18477921
>>18474757

[Anonymous No.18478030]

>>18478011
He's right that it's organized by a discord (the head of which is a white LARPer who used to prominently shill Eastern Orthodoxy here under as a tripfag).

But Muslims here are also too quick to dismiss reasoned critiques of the Quran and to lump them all in with either "le racist Amerikkkan" or "le pro-tranny liberal."

I admire many aspects of Islam, and I love some of the poetry, and have read quite a bit of the theology, but the Quran is just not appealing to me in the slightest. It's exactly what I would think a cult leader would produce as their scripture.

[Anonymous No.18478068]

>>18474757
Were just tired of seeing the same threads over and over again being made with such malicious intent and expressed so stupidly.

[Anonymous No.18478078]

Curious
Has any non Muslim here tried reading the Quran?

[Anonymous No.18478096]

>>18478078
Have you read the thread? I've tried many times and it's simply not good. Although I admire other aspects of Islam and its literature(s).

[Anonymous No.18478105]

Imagine believing the first universal religion, Christianity, was corrupted, while somehow praising Jesus as (terrifly ineffective) prophet. And then your religion immediately splinters into sects after the death of Muhammad, and your main argument for the incorruptibility of the Quran is that Uthman burned all the many deviating Qurans. Such a bizarre cope.

[Anonymous No.18478161]

>>18478030
>but the Quran is just not appealing to me
As a Muslim I think this is understandable. I once tried reading the Qur'an in English and couldn't get past a few pages, even though I read it in Arabic almost every night. As the Qur'an itself says, it should be read in Arabic. What you have as translations are at best interpretations and reconstructions of it. The Qur'an simply cannot be trasnlated.

[Anonymous No.18478179]

>>18471158
or just Dune lmao

[Anonymous No.18478192]

>>18471158
>It seems like you have not read Attar, Halaj, Rumi, Islamic neoplatonists, ibn Arabi, among others.

Hallaj was executed by Muslims and is widely considered a crypto-Christian. Ibn Arabi is either considered the greatest sufi or the worst kuffar. I'd wager they are mostly read by non-Muslims.

[Anonymous No.18478210]

>>18472265
>Islam
>followers
lol

[Anonymous No.18478221]

>>18473198
>All those Muslims who insult murtads aren't Muslims because bla bla bla
Islam in a nutshell.

[Anonymous No.18478227]

>>18474460
Islam only requires its adherents to pretend they follow Islam.
That's all.

[Anonymous No.18478229]

>>18478105
I can't see how a Prophet could be seen as "ineffective" from the Islamic view. Jesus was a Messanger of God and he delivered his message perfectly. Whether and how his message was receiced was not his responsibility - as it wasn't also the responsibility of Muhammad ﷺ, as the Qur'an says. People are given the freedom to chose between the call of the devil and the calls of the Prophets of God.

The Qur'an was compiled by a council of those who had memorized it (the Hafis), and was subsequently confirmed to be the true Qur'an by other Hafis who were not present in the council, such as Ali. The Qur'an we have now is the same compilation. It was only right to protect it from deviance by destroying other complications. Christianity also has a similar practice, as the Church decides which gospels are canonical.

[Anonymous No.18478235]

>>18478192
Both are read by and are popular in Sufi and Shia circles.

[Anonymous No.18478236]

>>18478161
>As a Muslim I
Internet is haram and you know it, murtad.

[Anonymous No.18478238]

>>18478210
>>18478221
>>18478227
Is this the famed JIDF in action?

[Anonymous No.18478243]

>>18478229
>Jesus was a Messanger of God and he delivered his message perfectly.

So how come 95% of his followers went trinitarian?

[Anonymous No.18478248]

>>18478238
Muhammad destroyed the traditional religion of the Arabs and then forced them to worship the god of the Jews.
All Muslims know that and are fine with it.
So what's your problem, retard?

[Anonymous No.18478255]

>>18471860
>it seems pretty based ngl
Trad larpers at it again

[Anonymous No.18478256]

>>18478235
Are they really though? Ibn Arabi is not someone you openly say you read. Plus he said a lot of anti-Shia things.

I think Ibn Arabi is really interesting and grossly misunderstood. He's not a crypto-Buddhist or a guenonian/perennialist. What is often mistaken by westernizers in Ibn Arabi as a radical tolerance to all religions is actually just Ibn Arabi's tolerance of all Islamic schools of thought/jurisprudence. He believes Islam supercedes and abrogates all prior religions and contained in Muhammad is the knowledge of all prior prophets.

That doesn't mean he didn't say dumb shit from time to time and often used language that could almost guarantees his meaning(s) would be misconstrued.e

[Anonymous No.18478259]

>>18478243
As I said, it is not the responsibility of the Prophet to ensure people accept their message. Did you read the whole post?

[Anonymous No.18478265]

>>18478256
Ibn Arabi was revived in Shia circles by Sayyed Haydar Amuli, a major Shia mystic who both criticized him and praised him. They read it alongside Amuli.

[Anonymous No.18478267]

>>18478256
>Islamic schools of thought/jurisprudence
There is only one Islam you murtad.

[Anonymous No.18478274]

>>18478248
If only the Jews worshipped anything except themselves.

[Anonymous No.18478278]

>>18478238
>All those Muslims who insult murtads aren't Muslims because bla bla bla
Allah will crush you, murtad.

[Anonymous No.18478281]

>>18478259
So why deliver a message if it's only going to be misinterpreted? Sounds like you're coping because your interpretation of Jesus isn't believed by anyone except Muslims. See how the verses in the Quran about the crucifixion have changed in meaning lately now that even the most staunch nu-atheist doesn't deny that Jesus must have been crucified. Now Muslims are admitting that the verses don't necessarily deny that he was crucified, only that Jews believed by doing so that would be the last they heard of him.

[Anonymous No.18478282]

>>18478256
>>18478265
Cont.
You should also read Khomeini's letter to the Soviet leader Gorbachev. He invites him to study Islamic theology and philosophy, and he puts an emphasis on Ibn Arabi.

[Anonymous No.18478290]

>>18478274
>I will never say anything against murtads and will speak about random other subjects instead

[Anonymous No.18478292]

>>18478267
Ibn Arabi was a zahiri. Once you realize this a lot of his writings start to make sense.

>>18478265
Yeah, Khomeini too was a big reader of Ibn Arabi. I still think Shi'ism and Irfan doesn't take so much from Ibn Arabi, it's just that they don't seethe about him like the Wahhabis and some Sunnis do. Amuli says the seal of universal sainthood is Ali, not Jesus (contrary to Ibn Arabi).

Will any Shia call Ibn Arabi the greatest sheikh?

[Anonymous No.18478300]

>>18478282
>and he puts an emphasis on Ibn Arabi.

Didn't that piss off loads of Shia clerics though?

[Anonymous No.18478301]

>>18478281
>So why deliver a message if it's only going to be misinterpreted?
Because not everyone is going to misinterpret it? Those who are lead by God will follow his straight path. The Qur'an says clearly and explicitly that only a minority are the true believers.

[Anonymous No.18478303]

>>18478292
You'll go to Hell, murtad.

[Anonymous No.18478306]

>>18478301
>The Qur'an says clearly and explicitly that only a minority are the true believers.
But you keep considering murtads as Muslims.
Because you are a murtad.
Allah will crush you.

[Anonymous No.18478313]

>>18478292
>I still think Shi'ism and Irfan doesn't take so much from Ibn Arabi
Because they don't need to. Shi'ism has its own its own esoteric ta'wil based on the teachings of the Imams. Ibn Arabi is nice, at times great, but no Shia will call him "greatest Sheikh" when the last Imam is alive and present, guiding those who believe in him and follow him.

[Anonymous No.18478315]

>>18478303
I don't know why you're seething. There's different madhabs. How is this controversial?

Ibn Arabi grew up in Spain and would have been no stranger to the violent opposition between Abbasids and Fatimids. What readers of Ibn Arabi often mistake for a radical tolerance of all religions, is in fact just an inter-Muslim tolerance.

[Anonymous No.18478320]

>>18478300
He did, but that doesn't matter. Khomeini was considered the greatest Marja and authority when he was alive.

[Anonymous No.18478323]

>>18478315
This "murtad" anon keeps coming to Islamic thread and call everyone murtad. Either he is a schizo or has malicious intent. You should just ignore him

[Anonymous No.18478324]

>>18478313
Are there any texts on Shi'a mysticism that you'd recommend, apart from Amuli?

I was listening to this the other day and found myself strongly aggreeing with the position of Imam Ali. Ibn Arabi has an amazing rhetorical and philosophical skill, but the position of Imam Ali is simpler and just makes sense.

[Anonymous No.18478327]

>>18478315
>inter-Muslim tolerance
Murtads aren't Muslims, and you know it.
You'll go to Hell.
Murtad.

[Anonymous No.18478331]

>>18478327
Is this guenonfag's latest meme?

[Anonymous No.18478336]

>>18478324
aaaaand I forgot the link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdEUnAUIgFs

[Anonymous No.18478340]

>>18478323
>This "murtad" anon keeps coming to Islamic
Ive only entered 2 muslim threads and I already can spot him like a sore thumb lol

[Anonymous No.18478342]

>>18478323
>Muslims who don't like murtads aren't Muslims because bla bla bla
Allah will crush you, murtad.

[Anonymous No.18478353]

>>18478331
>Muslims can't name the Infidels because it's just a meme because bla bla bla
You'll go to Hell, murtad.

[Anonymous No.18478355]

>>18478336
>posing for a camera (which is haram)
>muslim
Murtads will be murtads.

[Anonymous No.18478369]

>>18478324
For Shia mysticism, check out "The Kernel of the Kernel" and "Vicegerency" by Tabatabai. He also has a great introduction to Shi'ism in general "Shi'ite Islam". Also if you can read French, Arabic or Persian, I highly suggest Henry Corbin's "En Islam Iranien", though unfortunately it is not translated to English yet.
>Ibn Arabi has an amazing rhetorical and philosophical skill, but the position of Imam Ali is simpler and just makes sense.
Agreed.

[Anonymous No.18478375]

>>18478369
>"Shi'ite Islam"
There is only one Islam you murtad.
Allah will crush you.

[Anonymous No.18478381]

>>18478336
Thanks, I will watch it tonight.

[Anonymous No.18478402]

>>18478340
You are afraid, murtad.

[Anonymous No.18478408]

>>18478030
It's completely different experience in Arabic. Maybe not even because meaning being lost in translation. It's just aesthetically so much better. But I guess that's the case for any translated literature that's originally in verse. But English translations of the Quran just sound like garbage. I think it's because English has so many loanwords from Latin and the like, and it has this verboseness, it ruins the experience. In Arabic, the verses have this terseness and conciseness which is lost in English. Almost all words in Classical Arabic are formed from Semitic three-letter roots, and there aren't many loanwords like in a modern language like English.

[Anonymous No.18478413]

>>18478229
>Muslims literally believe human memory is sufficient for proving the validity of the exact word of god.
How do you guys manage to be so arrogant all the time when the foundations of your religion are this dumb?

[Anonymous No.18478418]

>>18463874
Fuck off back to /pol/, Zionist golem

[Anonymous No.18478428]

>>18478413
They are just clueless fanboys, fresh converts trying to look "smart" or something.
Traditional muslims don't need to compensate like this.

[Anonymous No.18478430]

>>18478413
Back when people were illiterate, they actually had much better memories than we have today. That's why it used to be normal to memorize massive epic poems and such which only got passed down orally. Rhymed verses are even easier to memorize than plain prose.

[Anonymous No.18478437]

>>18478413
They were tens of people who had the Qur'an memorized and they all were in agreement even about the small bits. Muhammad ﷺ put a lot of importance on training people who memorized Qur'an accurately. Also, aren't the Gospels based on human memory too?

[Anonymous No.18478453]

>>18478430
Sure, but I don’t believe that the versions of those epic poems we have are the exact same as they were in their original form, and I also doubt that those memories were so much better that they could be infallible. There’s a real arrogance Muslims tend to have because they’re so confident that theirs is the most consistent, intelligent, and universal religion there ever was, and under any scrutiny it just doesn’t hold up.

[Anonymous No.18478457]

>>18478437
>Also, aren't the Gospels based on human memory too?

Of events. Uthman burned diverging Qurans, so there were mistakes made. All Muslims must believe that Uthman was guided by Allah in this and he only burned the false Qurans.

[Anonymous No.18478467]

>>18478437
To add: it is traditionally highly encouraged that Muslims memorize the Qur'an. Today there are hundreds of thousands of people who do it.

[Anonymous No.18478471]

>>18478437
>They were tens of people who had the Qur'an memorized and they all were in agreement even about the small bits. Muhammad ﷺ put a lot of importance on training people who memorized Qur'an accurately
There is the possibility that they all could be wrong, and given the nature of memory, it wouldn’t be surprising.
> Also, aren't the Gospels based on human memory too?
We’re talking about Islam, not Christianity. What’s with you guys and whataboutism? Why are you always so desperate to change the subject?

[Anonymous No.18478483]

>>18478453
>they’re so confident that theirs is the most consistent, intelligent, and universal religion there ever was
What's your point here? Every (major) religion believes itself to have the most correct view of reality.

[Anonymous No.18478493]

>>18478457
Shias do believe Ali was guided by Allah, and Ali did confirm Uthman's compilation.

[Anonymous No.18478498]

>>18478483
>, and under any scrutiny it just doesn’t hold up.
You didn't read the end of the sentence, retard.

[Anonymous No.18478506]

>>18478453
>under any scrutiny it just doesn’t hold up
too bad it does hold up for Islam.
There's a certain confusion on the part of Christian apologetics that really pulls at strings with regards to the corruption of the Quran.
Orientalists have agreed that according to all available archeological evidence, there's no diversion in the Quranic reading.
Any other opinion is kind of cope at this point.

[Anonymous No.18478531]

>>18478506
>too bad it does hold up for Islam
Muslims do haram stuff all the time, everyone see it.
Most Muslims don't even care anymore.
It's the only religion whose members indulge themselves into degeneracy with such levels of not giving a single fuck.

[Anonymous No.18478541]

>>18478471
There is no possibility. Allah has said he protects the Qur'an, therefore he does.

[Anonymous No.18478545]

>>18478506
Were talking about it’s initial compilation not any divergence that has occurred since then. Why do you have to keep changing the subject?

[Anonymous No.18478549]

>>18478541
Yet Muslims do haram stuff all the time without facing any consequences.
So what's your point, retard?

[Anonymous No.18478563]

>>18478549
If anyone diverges from the religion of God, he will be judged accordingly on the day of judgment.

[Anonymous No.18478567]

>>18478563
When is the Day of Judgement?

[Anonymous No.18478570]

>>18478541
I won’t begrudge someone who takes a leap of faith as long as they’re willing to admit it. Muslims don’t seem to think that the existence of their god or the perfection of their book is a matter of faith but a matter of fact.

[Anonymous No.18478574]

>>18478563
And you are posting on Internet, which is haram, because you are a murtad.
Allah will crush you.

[Anonymous No.18478584]

>>18478567
When Allah decides.
>>18478570
If you make a difference between faith and fact, your faith is not strong enough.

[Anonymous No.18478600]

>>18478584
You aren't muslim and you'll go to Hell.

[Anonymous No.18478607]

>>18478600
How do you know who is or isn't a Muslim and who is or isn't going to Hell?

[Anonymous No.18478614]

>>18478607
You keep insulting Islam, murtad.
Allah will crush you.

[Anonymous No.18478618]

>>18478614
>Allah will crush you.
How do you know?

[Anonymous No.18478622]

>>18478607
>Muslims and murtads are exactly the same and you can't say who is an Infidel and who is a Muslim because Infidels and Muslims are all the same
Allah will crush you.

[Anonymous No.18478633]

>>18478618
>How could you make the difference between an Infidel and a Muslim? Infidels and Muslims are the same!
You are a murtad and you will go to Hell.
And you know it.

[Anonymous No.18478651]

>>18468389
Your pedophile false prophet wasn't divine and nothing related to him is scripture.

[Anonymous No.18478903]

>Itt anime loving dropout faggots circle jerk and discuss a holy book not in it's original language and without context on a racist mangnolian basket weaving forum.

Do you guys even have the ability to read any text objectively?

[Anonymous No.18478908]

>>18478903
I think my reading is inherently more objective than any Muslim’s, but I at least get why they act the way they do. Why anyone else would come to this book’s defense is beyond me.

[Anonymous No.18478925]

Over the last couple of days I have been attempting to read the Koran, to see if there is anything good about it.

Today I have given up trying to read it, because I think it is a waste of my time. I believe it is the product of a sick mind.

I think there is some kind of awareness of truth behind it, but that connection is remote indeed, and the mind of the writers of the Koran has been polluted with much poison, which has become embodied in the Koran.

I was hoping to arrive at a compilation of half-decent wise quotations from the Koran, but the following is the best I could come up with: [2.42] "And do not mix up the truth with the falsehood, nor hide the truth while you know (it)." On a scale of great quotes, out of ten, the above probably ranks a score of 1.

Here is another: "God changes not what is within people until people change what is in themselves." [13:11] This one probably ranks 0.01, because it is just plain stupid. What is worse, for every quote I found of a similar quality to the above, I found fifty that are a hundred times worse.

I find much of the Koran quite repulsive. Much, if not most of the Koran comes across as fearful and paranoid rantings, trying to scare people into submission by beating them with a big stick. I don't believe it has anything to do with wisdom.

I will here attempt an abstract of the Koran:

Believe in Allah.
Pray to Allah.
Don't be an Unbeliever.
If you are an Unbeliever, you will go to hell.
If you believe, you will receive virgins as your
reward in heaven.
Don't make friends with Christians or Jews.
Don't make friends with the unjust.
Unbelievers are unjust, and are doomed.
Pray to Allah.
Allah will destroy the unbelievers.
If unbelievers repent, then you might forgive them.
Submit to Allah.
If you don't submit to Allah you will be punished.
etc, etc.

Here is another typical example of what I found:

"But whoever disputes with you in this matter after what has come to you of knowledge, then say: Come let us call our sons and your sons and our women and your women and our near people and your near people, then let us be earnest in prayer, and pray for the curse of Allah on the liars." (The Family of Imran 3.61)

This comes across to me as plainly vindictive. What gives the Koran away as a fraud is that if a person is truly a "believer" (which means he would not only know Ultimate Truth, but also have faith in it) then he would be repulsed by all that is in the Koran. He would have no need of "praying for the curse of Allah on the liars". And he could make up his own mind who to make friends with and who to avoid.

What more can I say? Can anyone else find something good about the Koran?

- Kevin Solway

https://archive.vn/BIU7z

[Anonymous No.18478937]

>>18463869
the heat from the fire when you burn it

[OP No.18478997]

>>18467783

[Anonymous No.18479030]

>>18478903
Since this place is obviously so awful, then you can go back.

[Anonymous No.18479048]

>>18478903

[Anonymous No.18479067]

>>18479048
This is not the Quran
Wtf even is this?

[Anonymous No.18479089]

>>18479067
Hadith from Sunan Ibn Majah

[Anonymous No.18479102]

>>18479048
lmao forgot about this one

based aisha ironically exposing muhammad for the fraud he was

[Anonymous No.18479107]

>>18478997
what am I looking at here?

[Anonymous No.18479124]

1. THE OPENING 1.In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful. 2.Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds. 3.The Most Gracious, the Most Merciful. 4.Master of the Day of Judgment. 5.It is You we worship, and upon You we call for help. 6.Guide us to the straight path. 7.The path of those You have blessed, not of those against whom there is anger, nor of those who are misguided.

2. THE HEIFER 1.Alif, Lam, Meem. 2.This is the Book in which there is no doubt, a guide for the righteous. 3.Those who believe in the unseen, and perform the prayers, and give from what We have provided for them. 4.And those who believe in what was revealed to you, and in what was revealed before you, and are certain of the Hereafter. 5. These are upon guidance from their Lord. These are the successful. 6.As for those who disbelieve—it is the same for them, whether you have warned them, or have not warned them—they do not believe. 7.Allah has set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and over their vision is a veil. They will have a severe torment. 8.Among the people are those who say, “We believe in Allah and in the Last Day,” but they are not believers. 9.They seek to deceive Allah and those who believe, but they deceive none but themselves, though they are not aware. 10.In their hearts is sickness, and Allah has increased their sickness. They will have a painful punishment because of their denial. 11.And when it is said to them, “Do not make trouble on earth,” they say, “We are only reformers.” 12.In fact, they are the troublemakers, but they are not aware. 13.And when it is said to them, “Believe as the people have believed,” they say, “Shall we believe as the fools have believed?” In fact, it is they who are the fools, but they do not know. 14.And when they come across those who believe, they say, “We believe”; but when they are alone with their devils, they say, “We are with you; we were only ridiculing.” 15. It is Allah who ridicules them, and leaves them bewildered in their transgression. 16. Those are they who have bartered error for guidance; but their trade does not profit them, and they are not guided. 17.Their likeness is that of a person who kindled a fire; when it illuminated all around him, Allah took away their light, and left them in darkness, unable to see. 18. Deaf, dumb, blind. They will not return. 19. Or like a cloudburst from the sky, in which is darkness, and thunder, and lightning. They press their fingers into their ears from the thunderbolts, in fear of death. But Allah surrounds the disbelievers. 20.The lightning almost snatches their sight away. Whenever it illuminates for them, they walk in it; but when it grows dark over them, they stand still. Had Allah willed, He could have taken away their hearing and their sight. Allah is capable of everything.

How can someone read this and think this is bad?
And if you read it in Arabic or hear it you will think to yourself
How can a human come up with this?

[Anonymous No.18479128]

>>18479107
you are looking at two different Quran`s dummy
https://smallpdf.com/result#r=575bca7cf0f3e3a5d04cbde64eda60d2&t=share-document

[Anonymous No.18479139]

>>18479128
Those are two different qira't retard
Qira'at is a way of recitation and pronunciation.

[chuck s. No.18479170]

>>18479139
>The Qur'an is perfectly preserved from a to z.
>There are different words and pronunciation

[Anonymous No.18479188]

>>18479170
Not different words it's pronunciation
Show me two different qurans
Only one exist

It's like saying (Car) (Kar) it's is still written Car but can be pronounced differently

God you guys are lame

[Anonymous No.18479193]

>>18479124
>How can someone read this and think this is bad?
How can anyone read a passage telling you that the god of this book is the cruelest and most vindictive of any religion and not think it’s bad?

[Anonymous No.18479206]

>>18479193
> telling you that the god of this book is the cruelest and most vindictive of any religion and not think it’s bad?

[Anonymous No.18479216]

>>18479206
>7.Allah has set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and over their vision is a veil
This is the cruelest claim ever attributed to any god in the history of religion.

[chuck s. No.18479225]

>>18479188
>literally doesn't read the pdf nor the pic in the >>
>>18479128
>>18479170

[Anonymous No.18479248]

>>18479216
Literally just read the verse before it.
The seal is the product of their own disbelief.

[Anonymous No.18479255]

“And when they listen to the revelation received by the Messenger, thou wilt see their eyes overflowing with tears, for they recognize the truth.”

Can you say that you ever did bros
Have you ever cried reading the truth

[Anonymous No.18479258]

>>18479248
But Allah placed it upon them. I can’t think of another god doing something so cruel. Even pagan deities who screw with men for entertainment seem compassionate in comparison.

[Anonymous No.18479260]

>>18479128
Interesting. I tried to look this up on wikipedia and the articles all seem to have been very delicately written so as to not declare the implications of what was obvious.

[Anonymous No.18479265]

>>18479255
>Can you say that you ever did bros
>Have you ever cried reading the truth

Yeah, while reading the Bible. Many times.

[Anonymous No.18479271]

>>18479258
I fail to see what is cruel about this?
They are disbelievers
after clearly seeing the miracles/signs of god they still continue to disbelieve.
It's like they have a veil over their heart
It's like they are blind

Just like you unfortunately

[Anonymous No.18479279]

>>18479271
>It's like they have a veil over their heart
>It's like they are blind
It’s not “like” anything. God put a seal on their hear and deafened them.

[Anonymous No.18479284]

>>18479265
Your breasts are like two fawns, like twin fawns of a gazelle. 4 Your neck is like an ivory tower. Your eyes are the pools of Heshbon by the gate of Bath Rabbim. Your nose is like the tower of Lebanon looking toward Damascus. 5 Your head crowns you like Mount Carmel. Your hair is like royal tapestry; the king is held captive by its tresses. 6 How beautiful you are and how pleasing, my love, with your delights! 7 Your stature is like that of the palm, and your breasts like clusters of fruit. 8 I said, “I will climb the palm tree; I will take hold of its fruit.” May your breasts be like clusters of grapes on the vine, the fragrance of your breath like apples,
She
9 and your mouth like the best wine. May the wine go straight to my beloved, flowing gently over lips and teeth. 10 I belong to my beloved, and his desire is for me. 11 Come, my beloved, let us go to the countryside, let us spend the night in the villages. 12 Let us go early to the vineyards to see if the vines have budded, if their blossoms have opened, and if the pomegranates are in bloom— there I will give you my love. 13 The mandrakes send out their fragrance, and at our door is every delicacy, both new and old, that I have stored up for you, my beloved.

I bet it did make something else cry kek

[Anonymous No.18479293]

>>18479124
>Allah is capable of everything.
Except be one and three at the same time. Or control or alter his own fundamental nature. Or do something that outside of the bounds of logic. Or lie. Or whatever other limits Islamic scholars have imposed on him to cover the fact that a single omnipotent god is inherently contradictory.

[Anonymous No.18479302]

>>18479293
>single omnipotent god is inherently contradictory.
Why is that?

[Anonymous No.18479305]

>>18479293
>Lie
>Be part of three
>Alter his own nature

Christian cuck are your for real?

[Anonymous No.18479343]

>>18479302
Because they claim god can do anything (as the text itself says), yet they inevitably come up with list of things that god cannot do, which raises the question, what is it that governs god? And how can he be omnipotent with something governing him?
>>18479305
Not a Christian. Just wanted to to remind people of all the restraints the Islamic god has when a read a passage that ends the way that one does.

[Anonymous No.18479351]

>>18479284
All your Sufi poetry comes from the insanely based Song of Songs.

[Anonymous No.18479358]

>>18479343
We don't claim anything
These are words of god
God says he is capable of everything
Who are you to question what he should and shouldn't do?

Weak argument can't you find any better

[Anonymous No.18479359]

>>18479305
Reminder that your greatest sheikh, Ibn Arabi, comes dangerously close to affirming the trinity.

[Anonymous No.18479375]

>>18479351
Nice asspull
>>18479359
>Ibn Arabi
>Greatest shiekh
Kek
Literally who
The Quran literally says don't say three
And that god is one
Idgaf about anything or anyone else says

[Anonymous No.18479383]

>>18479358
>These are words of god
>God says he is capable of everything
>Who are you to question what he should and shouldn't do?
That’s what your claim. Listen to any Muslim talk about the trinity, they do boot say that god would not choose to do such a thing, but that it is a contradiction, an impossibility. If Muslims as a whole were as a whole to take your attitude, they wouldn’t be able to condemn the trinity in the way that they do.

[Anonymous No.18479384]

>>18479375
All Sufi poetry is like that, plus a bunch of a wine references.

[Anonymous No.18479394]

>>18479265
>Yeah, while reading the Bible. Many times.
Pseud

[Anonymous No.18479395]

>>18479375
>The Quran literally says don't say three

And Christians agree. There's a reason why the Quran doesn't use the arabic word for "trinity" in it. All it does is refute heretical beliefs on the trinity.

[Anonymous No.18479406]

>>18479394
At least I don't move to a Muslim land.

[Anonymous No.18479412]

>>18479383
Stop it
Your argument is weak it's embarrassing

>>18479395
So does the bible
Idk where the fuck you come up with the Trinity bullshit

[Anonymous No.18479413]

>>18478105
Muslims bemieve Jesus was sent only for Jews. Muhammad was sent for everyone.

[Anonymous No.18479418]

>>18479406
Donno man, I've seen plenty of western folks move to rich Muslim countries like UAE, Qatar, etc trying to grab their share of the pie.

[Anonymous No.18479432]

>>18478506
>there's no diversion in the Quranic reading.
You just made that up. There's holes in your book, even retards like David Wood see it.

[Anonymous No.18479434]

>>18479432
>There's holes in your book
Name one

[Anonymous No.18479436]

>>18479412
>Idk where the fuck you come up with the Trinity bullshit

The Quran also affirms Jesus is the word of God. The trinity makes perfect sense if you've grappled with the problem of the one and the many. Basically, read all of philosophy and theology up to Christianity and then try to explain a monotheistic God that knows and cares about its creation and you get a trinity of God's self-relation.

Neoplatonists and Ibn Arabi came very close to admitting this.

Even if you find the trinity and the incarnation difficult to believe, it's more believable than Allah giving granting Muhammad all his perverted whims.

[Anonymous No.18479437]

>>18478903
>wollah quran is perfect
>needs context though
>and you need to speak arabic perfectly
>wollah

[Anonymous No.18479442]

>>18479436
>Basically, read all of philosophy and theology up to Christianity
I'm pretty sure the Jews don't have the trinity

[Anonymous No.18479445]

>>18479418
Sure, but they're not Christian and it's a sin in Islam to leave Muslim lands.

Muslims know that other Muslims are so unpleasant to be around that they come to live with atheist tranny kuffar in the west because that's how fucking bad other Muslims are.

[Anonymous No.18479449]

>>18479139
The cope starts flowing.

[Anonymous No.18479452]

>>18479412
>Stop it
>Your argument is weak it's embarrassing
Even Al-Ghazali claims that god cannot do what is logically impossible. Muslims never say that the trinity is just something god wouldn’t do, but it’s something that is beyond all possibility. I’ve argued with enough of you about this that I know how you feel.

[Anonymous No.18479454]

>>18479442
They have Genesis.

Go read some Ibn Arabi. Your greatest sheikh is a crypto-trinitarian.

[Anonymous No.18479455]

>>18479442
on several occasions in the Old Testament, we see theophanic appearances of God and encounters with the Angel of YHWH or Angel of God. The Angel of YHWH is a mysterious figure, both distinct from YHWH as his messenger yet seemingly directly identified with him at other points (Exodus 23:20–22). He speaks as God in the first person (Genesis 16:10; 22:11–18; 31:11) and is addressed as God by human beings (Genesis 16:13; Judges 13:22) and by the Scriptures themselves (Exodus 3:2–4). In Genesis 18, for example, Abraham and Sarah are visited by three men, one of whom seems to be YHWH himself (Genesis 18:1, 9–22). While two of the men — referred to as “angels” in the next chapter — proceed to Sodom, YHWH remains to speak with Abraham, presumably in a human appearance, before “going his way” after their conversation concludes (Genesis 18:33).
The mysterious way in which the Angel of YHWH can speak of God in both the first and third person invites reflection. The same can be said of the Spirit of God, which is both distinguished from and identified with God, manifested in such things as the Shekinah cloud. The Angel and the Spirit are not merely individually associated with YHWH, but are intimately connected with each other. In Images of the Spirit, Meredith Kline observes the diverse forms of theophanies, where the Angel can appear with or without the Glory phenomena of the Spirit. Revisiting such texts, in the light of New Testament revelation and later Christian reflection on the doctrine of the Trinity, not only helps us to make sense of scriptures that were formerly dark or veiled, but enables us to see Old Testament analogies to Christ’s humiliation and glorification.

[Anonymous No.18479457]

>>18479445
>Sure, but they're not Christian
Actually they are, about 14% are Christians(a mich larger percentage of Christianity in a Muslim country than percentage of Muslims in a lot pf Christian countries)

[Anonymous No.18479460]

>>18479452
> Muslims never say that the trinity is just something god wouldn’t do, but it’s something that is beyond all possibility

Read Ibn Arabi. The trinity isn't an impossibility at all. One day you'll realize that after one comes three. Otherwise you end up with Averroistic nihilism, a God that can't relate or even know you, much less create.

[Anonymous No.18479461]

>>18479436
Even the bible contradicts your claim of trinity.
Never did Jesus claim to worship him.
And I challenge you.
>>18479452
Imagine being a god and nerfing yourself.
Christians think of the most depraved twisted things.

[Anonymous No.18479462]

>>18479258
The poster you're replying to is one mental stunt away from peacetrucking a French city.

[Anonymous No.18479465]

>>18479457
They're not. They're secular people who move there for jobs. They don't act prideful or arrogant either. I know many.

And you have a ton of Indian slaves there but that's another discussion.

[Anonymous No.18479468]

>>18479454
>They have Genesis
So what? The Shema Yisrael mentions no trinity but is an affirmation of one god

[Anonymous No.18479469]

When Mohammed checked the pubic hair of the Qurayza Jews and then beheaded every man and boy who reached puberty. Took the women and children as slaves.

[Anonymous No.18479477]

>>18479461
>Even the bible contradicts your claim of trinity.
>Never did Jesus claim to worship him.

These are pea-brained arguments that have been refuted many times. Hit me with something good.

[Anonymous No.18479479]

>>18479465
Somehow all the great people moved there, yet you can't seem to find one great individual that moved here. I smell hypocrisy.

>And you have a ton of Indian slaves there but that's another discussion
Kek. I'm not touching that with a 12 foot pole.

[Anonymous No.18479481]

>>18479434
Uthman burning different qurans.
The qiraat.

[Anonymous No.18479484]

>>18479468
>The Shema Yisrael

That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about Genesis. Abraham experienced the fullness of the trinity.

[Anonymous No.18479491]

>>18479469
Based philosopher-king

[Anonymous No.18479494]

>>18479477
Refute them if you can trinitarian.

[Anonymous No.18479499]

>>18479479
Alright. This was fun until I realized I'm actually debating with a retard. I'm going to go make a cheese dip now.

[Anonymous No.18479501]

>>18479477
No. You refute them first.
Where does Jesus say "I am God worship me."?

[Anonymous No.18479510]

>>18479461
>Imagine being a god and nerfing yourself.
I don’t think you’re mature enough to have these kind of discussions. Read more and play video games less.

[Anonymous No.18479511]

>>18479484
>Hear, O Israel: the LORD our God, the LORD is one
The most important prayer and a Jewish affirmation of faith speaks of one God and one God only. Regardless of what Abraham have experienced

[Anonymous No.18479515]

>>18479499
Bye tranny have fun

[Anonymous No.18479532]

Refute this Trinitarians

“Hear, O Israel! The Lord is our God, the Lord is one!

Mark 12:29
VerseConcepts
Jesus answered, “The foremost is, ‘Hear, O Israel! The Lord our God is one Lord;

Job 23:13
VerseConcepts
“But He is unique and who can turn Him?
And what His soul desires, that He does.

Mark 12:32
VerseConcepts
The scribe said to Him, “Right, Teacher; You have truly stated that He is One, and there is no one else besides Him;

Romans 3:30
VerseConcepts
since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one.

Galatians 3:20
VerseConcepts
Now a mediator is not for one party only; whereas God is only one.

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

Zechariah 14:9
And the Lord will be king over all the earth; in that day the Lord will be the only one, and His name the only one.

1 Corinthians 8:4

Therefore concerning the eating of things sacrificed to idols, we know that there is no such thing as an idol in the world, and that there is no God but one.

James 2:19
You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.

Ephesians 4:6
one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all.

[Anonymous No.18479543]

>>18479510
You get the point
It is the same as stabbing yourself in the eye
You are capable of doing it
But would you do it?

I believe some christians don't work their brains.

[Anonymous No.18479549]

>>18479543
>It is the same as stabbing yourself in the eye
>You are capable of doing it
>But would you do it?
I don’t really see it. Could you explain why that is?

[Anonymous No.18479569]

>>18479549
Oh no he is retarded

[Anonymous No.18479572]

>>18479271
>They are disbelievers
You are one of them, murtad.
Allah will crush you.

[Anonymous No.18479575]

>>18479569
Come on, explain to me why these two things are equivalent? You should be able to explain your own analogies.

[Anonymous No.18479577]

>>18479358
You'll go to Hell, murtad.

[Anonymous No.18479581]

>>18479549
I think he's talking that if you're omnipotent, but you're also omniscient and therefore already know in advanced the folly of for example trying to poke your eye out. You can do everything but you also know everything so why should you do it?

[Anonymous No.18479583]

>>18479383
>If Muslims as a whole were
Muslims as a whole obey the Infidels and do haram things all the time without consequences.

[Anonymous No.18479585]

>>18479575
Nah you wouldn't get it
I can't dumb it down for you any further
You are not gonna like what I have to say anyway

[Anonymous No.18479591]

>>18479418
>Muslim countries
>UAE, Qatar
lol

[Anonymous No.18479597]

>>18479583
Muslims as a whole don't though there's A LOT of Muslims that do, much like any community that has their good and bad apples

[Anonymous No.18479601]

>>18479591
So it's only a Muslim country if it's poor? Being rich doesn't count?

[Anonymous No.18479603]

>>18479583
Everything has consequences.

[Anonymous No.18479604]

>>18479445
Muslims know that only non-muslims can take them seriously.
Non-muslim countries are the only places where Muslims can try to be respected.

[Anonymous No.18479608]

>>18479581
>I think he's talking that if you're omnipotent, but you're also omniscient and therefore already know in advanced the folly of for example trying to poke your eye out
Okay,but that’s not what I was asking. What I wanted know is why such a thing is equivalent to trinitarian existence?
>>18479585
So you can’t explain it? Whether I like it or not, I’d still like to know what exactly it is you mean by this.

[Anonymous No.18479610]

>>18479549
Why share you power and essentially give it away to another two gods
Why just two why not 4 5 10?

The concept of Trinity is illogical and has no base or proof.
Either its came to being in form of symbathy for Jesus And miraculous birth or as a deformed doctrine influenced by Norse Greek mythology.
Either way it is made up by man.

[Anonymous No.18479630]

>>18479597
Nope.
Facing no consequences for haram stuff is proof that Muslims as a whole obey the Infidels.

[Anonymous No.18479635]

>>18479601
UEA and Quatar are degenerate kuffar countries and you know it.

[Anonymous No.18479641]

Adam had a more miraculous birth than Jesus.

Yet christians still worship him.

[Anonymous No.18479642]

>>18479603
That's why you'll go to Hell, murtad.
Allah will crush you.

[Anonymous No.18479647]

>>18479630
>Facing no consequences for haram stuff
That's not up for you to decide, Allah knows best what the consequences will be

[Anonymous No.18479652]

>>18479635
Kek you got me

[Anonymous No.18479664]

>>18479647
>Muslims and murtads are exactly the same and you can't say who is an Infidel and who is a Muslim because Infidels and Muslims are all the same!
Allah will crush you, murtad.

[Anonymous No.18479667]

>>18479664
Don't put words into my mouth, tranny

[Anonymous No.18479669]

>>18479652
You are a murtad and you will go to Hell.

[Anonymous No.18479674]

>>18479667
>Don't put words into my mouth, tranny

[Anonymous No.18479683]

>>18479674
Don't post selfies of yourself on the internet

[Anonymous No.18479684]

>>18479642
You haven't provided any evidence that any of this will happen.

[Anonymous No.18479685]

>>18479667
You are afraid.
Allah will destroy you, and there is nothing you can do about it.

[Anonymous No.18479689]

>>18479684
Your are insulting Islam.
You'll go to Hell.

[Anonymous No.18479696]

>>18479685
I'm only afraid of Allah. If he wants to destroy me then so be it.

[Anonymous No.18479699]

>>18479689
>Your are insulting Islam.
How? What did I say? What is "Islam"?

[Anonymous No.18479706]

>>18479696
>Please!
You are a murtad.
Allah will crush you.

[Anonymous No.18479711]

>>18479699
You are afraid.

[Anonymous No.18479714]

>>18479711
Where is the evidence? Afraid of what?

[Anonymous No.18479764]

>>18463874
Hello schlomo

[Anonymous No.18479779]

>>18465213
Haha yea remember when the united states of iraq bombed iraq

[Anonymous No.18479787]

>>18465422
So brave.

[Anonymous No.18479796]

>>18479501
Not even a christian but good lord you're dumb

John 14:6
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

[Anonymous No.18479798]

>>18468512
SO brave

[Anonymous No.18479804]

>>18468651
Yes. Kys.

[Anonymous No.18479825]

>>18472360
You read the great replacement didnt you?

[Anonymous No.18479865]

>>18479796
He is not saying he is God.

[Anonymous No.18479882]

>>18478651
Joseph married mary when she was 12

[Anonymous No.18479898]

>>18479865
All christians say he is.

[Anonymous No.18480124]

>>18479882
There was also that time Jacob's daughter was married away when she was less than 9 years old

Or when the physicians recommended the 70 years old King David to marry a 12 year old girl in order to boost his stamina

There's also the time Isaac married Rebecca who was less than 9 years of age but could have been 3 years according to some accounts

Or that time Moses distributed captive prepubescent girls amongst himself and his followers

[Anonymous No.18480178]

>>18479898
The Qur'an is perfectly clear about this and says they are misguided mainly because they were pagans and associated divinity with man long before Jesus.

[Anonymous No.18480413]

>>18479469
Thirteen centuries later, and the Jews are still seething about this? Lmao. They shouldn't have begged Quraysh to attack the Muslims if they didn't want to be beheaded. Based Prophet BTFO'ing j*ws once again.

[Anonymous No.18480981]

>>18479469
>>18480413
What's even funnier is how the story of this "massacre" reached the historian Ibn Ishaq through descendants of Medinan Jews and the story they retold had remarkable similarities to an earlier event of Jewish rebellion against the Romans.

Cohencidence?

[Anonymous No.18481072]

>>18479501
Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad.” So the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?” 58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” 59 So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple. (John 8:56-59)

Quick reading comprehension time - why did the Jews attempt to murder Jesus in this scene?

[Anonymous No.18481075]

>>18480413
>>18480981
I'm an Israeli and I couldn't care less about your desert stories.

You are free to bicker over which suicide belt has halal explosives. It's no skin off our back.

[Anonymous No.18481137]

>>18481075
Yes there seems to be an overrepresentation of Jews in this thread. It doesn't seem like they don't care though. Quite the opposite.

[Anonymous No.18481194]

>>18481137
I was lurking until now. As I said as soon as I turn off the computer I will live in a better shithole than yours.

[Anonymous No.18481272]

>>18463874
fpbp

[Anonymous No.18481276]

I left Islam when I discovered JS Bach's music.