Introduction to Quran

[OP No.18444127]

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

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I thought to provide two quick examples of Qur'an so you could get a feel for its texture, first the breadth of meaning, next the aesthetics

First, the breadth of meaning. Listen to the first chapter of the Quran, al-Fatiha
https://archive.org/details/Nadir_AlQallawi-Bilaal_AbdulKarim-el-moslem.com/001.mp3

Then read the exegesis (from Ibn Kathir) for whatever verse intererests you
https://srv1.sunniconnect.com/Files/Books/Bookset2/Tafsir%20ibn%20kathir%20%5bDigital%20Copy%5d/tafsir%20surah%201.pdf

For example the aesthetics, I'll report my earlier sample
Surah 100
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YaOZS4ZoRY8 [Open]

Things to note: the rhyming syllable for the first several verses is "ha", but the h here is ح. Now Arabic features three different h's, one like English, represented as ه. One harsh, represented as خ (this is the one used by western conservatives to pronounce Ahmed but actually Ahmed uses ح). And this one, ح. It's the h you use when you're panting or blowing on glasses. To discerning ears it's repetition is very evocative of snorting horses. This is in keeping with it being used as the rhyming syllable for the scene of a raid (specifically in jihad according to scholars). This scene itself evokes something else: when Muhammad ﷺ first warned his tribe openly, he called out the alarm, "Wa sabahah!". Normally this alarm is for a dawn raid, the enemy would ride in and light the village on fire and massacre anyone they could find, they attacked at dawn, it was a common wartime strategy (it was very terrifying, think of the raid on the village in Apocalypto but with horses). Everyone poured out in fright and Muhammad ﷺ warned them about idolatry and how they must worship Allah alone or else they would go to hell. You can probably imagine the response he got. Anyway after the description of the chargers, the judgement is talked about, the rhymed words are "breast" and "grave" (for the resurrection), which instantly connects the idea of uncovering the hidden secrets of the heart like a corpse, "the skeletons in the closet".

[Anonymous No.18444138]

>>18444127
fucks sake. just fuck off

[OP No.18444140]

>>18444127
“By the steeds" by the way is Allah swearing by them. "By" (و) as a prefix in Arabic often indicates an oath. Men are only allowed to make an oath by Allah, “Wallah”, but Allah makes oaths by things of His creation, and many of the shorter chapters of Qur'an use such oaths by Allah as motifs

[Anonymous No.18444188]

I hate to say this but I would convert to Islam just so I could have multiple wives. There are a few reasons for this.

1. Sexual desire is too strong for one partner. My only solution is to remain single and abstain and fast. I avoid porn or looking at women. If I had a girlfriend, it wouldn't be enough, especially with variations in menstrual activity. I also don't believe in sex during pregnancy and believe it contributes to elevated womb hormones which can predispose to fetus to homosexuality. I also believe in later stages there is direct trauma from intercourse. Multiple wives would solve this.

2. I'm a lazy individual. I always wanted to prepare dinner and clean and do all sorts of things but I can't. By having three or four wives, it would be easier to divide household labor and chores and have everyone still be happy and not exhausted. It would be more harmonious and less stress.

3. I would like to have a large number of offspring.

There are other reasons but that is about it. I don't believe in God but I hate degeneracy and coomer lifestyles. I don't view it as a coomer lifestyle because I'm not looking for threesomes or perversions, just would do vaginal sex one at a time when appropriate. I've looked online and it seems most muslims look down on the practice despite being sanctioned. How realistic is it? What countries would be most acceptable for plural marriages. Admittedly it is a superficial reason for wanting to convert. I think it's the only alternative for me to total semen retention celibacy.

[Anonymous No.18444200]

>>18444127
Do you have a link to FMJ's discord?

[Anonymous No.18444206]

>>18444127
It's total shit.

[Anonymous No.18444209]

>>18444206
Literally schizo stuff.

[Anonymous No.18444210]

>>18444188
Why are you making a sexual fetish the guiding principle of your life? You need to know yourself better than that.

[Anonymous No.18444214]

>>18444209
You gotta be braindead to trust it.

[Anonymous No.18444217]

>>18444214
An absolute moron.

[Anonymous No.18444218]

>>18444210
It isn't a fetish. I just explained the reason why I wanted multiple wives was due to high sex drive and needing help with chores. Threesomes and fetish aspect does not appeal at all to me. To me it is the only possible way to cope with having a high sex drive.

[Anonymous No.18444221]

>>18444188
All of those reasons are why Islam is the Truth, because it perfectly allows for the most of human behaviors, which also makes it an eyesore for many people which have lost touch to their human side.

Science shows that post orgasm, when a man has been with a woman, he loses all interest in sex, as I'm sure you've noticed. But if you introduce a new female his sexual desire is instantly awakened.

[Anonymous No.18444228]

>>18444221
>Science shows that post orgasm, when a man has been with a woman, he loses all interest in sex
Not me anon, that's part of my problem. I'm aroused again 5 minutes after that.

[Anonymous No.18444236]

>>18444228
>Not me anon, that's part of my problem. I'm aroused again 5 minutes after that.
I understand but what I'm saying is us men are biologically programmed to inseminate as many females as possible. If you already inseminate one you lose the desire to do her again even if your sexual desire is strong, because what's the point. But if you keep introducing new females you would keep doing it until you fall down from exhaustion, I know I would.

[Anonymous No.18444262]

>>18444236
I think the saiety would be stronger and therefore allow me to concentrate on less sexual matters. Subsequent copulations with the same woman leads to longer climax time. It is possible to go for 45 minutes or longer. I don't think this is good and reinforces the brain to just think and obsess over sex. Climax time would be sooner with a different woman and because it lasted shorter, it wouldn't impact and replay in the mind so much.

[OP No.18444277]

>>18444188
You don't need to be a Muslim to have multiple wives/partners in a post Christian society. If you go to an Orthodox mosque even in the west it's not hard to have multiple wives so long as you can afford it. Orthodox Muslims don't generally bother with secular marriage except for very young wives, in the U.S. they will often travel to a state that marrying young is legal in to get the secular marriage there so they don't have any issue with a fifteen year old wife bearing kids or whatever.

Converting for a superficial reason is not necessarily bad if you are earnest about learning the religion. If you don't have any interest in serious practice then you might have issues finding multiple wives in the west because the kind of fathers in the west who don't mind marrying their daughters in such relationships expect a degree of religiousness from the husband

>>18444200
It's currently shut down but if you want to drop your discord info I'll give you a heads up if there is a restart إن شاء الله

[Anonymous No.18444278]

>>18444206
>>18444209
>>18444214
>>18444217
Thanks anon, you’re so based. I fucking despise this religion, coming from someone who was born into it

[Anonymous No.18444287]

>>18444262
>Climax time would be sooner with a different woman and because it lasted shorter
Well, duh, there's a reason a lot of men suffer from early ejaculation, well I say suffer because we tend to label normal biological functions a disease to be treated. You're supposed to fuck for a few minutes and inseminate a women, then move on to another. There's no point in doing it otherwise, other than some silly socially constructed reasons like the women also has to be satisfied. However Islam is quite explicit in maintaining equality between men and woman, and while it accounts for the man equations an his needs, your duty is also to put the pleasure of the female front and center, and you're forbidden to have more than one female if you can't satisfy each and every one of them, both sexually as well as financially and in other regards, which is why most men don't have more than one.

[Anonymous No.18444298]

>>18444277
Sparrow#7973

Cheers

[OP No.18444304]

>>18444287
Sexual satisfaction of the wife is considered desirable but not obligatory. You're supposed to get her ready with foreplay and to manually stimulate her clitoris after you come if she didn't come (pretty rare), but if you can't make her orgasm it doesn't mean you can't have another wife. Also financial satisfaction of a wife means you have to feed and clothe and house her, not give her some luxurious lifestyle and some confused people think

[Anonymous No.18444313]

>>18444278
BASED apostate, spread the word.

[Anonymous No.18444314]

>>18444277
Good reply, thanks anon.
>>18444287
I would be able to support them both ways. I wonder if there could be additional benefits from the marriage being de jure not recognized. For instance, one wife could be on WIC and SNAP and get $300+ for each kid for food. There isn't a limit so the unofficial wives (in the states view) would have subsidized child feeding costs. Just wonder if they would WACO me for having 4 wives, 10 children each. That's big money assuming 3 of the wives are doing it too.

[Anonymous No.18444333]

>>18444304
>Also financial satisfaction of a wife means you have to feed and clothe and house her, not give her some luxurious lifestyle and some confused people think
Food and housing are one of the most expensive things to offer in the west as there are huge standards regarding both, you can't just build a shack in the middle of a desert. And the cost only goes up the more wives you have since you have to provide it to each and every one.

[OP No.18444346]

>>18444333
That's correct, housing codes in the west mean multiple wives is very, very expensive. Though doable in some areas if one earns decently

[Anonymous No.18444369]

/inceldom/ general

[Anonymous No.18444371]

>>18444278
bless you

[Anonymous No.18444376]

>>18444346
if you killed yourself the world would be a better place. just saying.

[OP No.18444392]

>>18444376
I don't care about making the world a better place

[Anonymous No.18444434]

>>18444392
Pretty sure as a Muslim it's your duty to support your (muslim)community and as such the world

[OP No.18444441]

>>18444434
The world is against my community. NATO,China, Russia.

[Anonymous No.18444471]

>>18444441
I see. Well, It's fine either way, Allah knows best our deeds and intentions, and we'll all be judged for our deeds

[Anonymous No.18444477]

>>18444278
Another apostate here, that anon is completely based and 100% accurate about this dogshit religion

[Anonymous No.18444511]

>>18444477
Islam is the only religion that allows multiple wives. fringe mormonists don't count.

[OP No.18444540]

>>18444471
My interest is Tawheed which from the perspective of its enemies worsens the world. Those who simply desire more comfort can't love Tawheed as Allah has promised anyone who embraces it with its obligations will face hardship and trials

[Anonymous No.18444558]

>>18444477
>Another apostate here
Man, Islam creates the worst ex religious people. Or maybe you were already the worst and couldn't handle the simplest of religions

[Anonymous No.18444582]

>>18444477
Making very emotional appeals and using filthy language actually hurts your arguments and position. Try to be more level headed dude

[Anonymous No.18444596]

>>18444558
The Quran warns of such excursions
>Whoever disbelieves in Allah after their belief—not those who are forced while their hearts are firm in faith,1 but those who embrace disbelief wholeheartedly—they will be condemned by Allah and suffer a tremendous punishment.[16:106]
>This is because they prefer the life of this world over the Hereafter. Surely Allah never guides those who ˹choose to˺ disbelieve.[16:107]

[Anonymous No.18444600]

>>18444127
why dont you read lenin instead, anon-kun?

[Anonymous No.18444617]

>>18444600
Wtf is that picture supposed to represent? Seems like an Indian woman holding Lenin book above the manlet

[OP No.18444667]

>>18444600
Did the invasion of Afghanistan destroy the USSR?

[Anonymous No.18444683]

>>18444127
Salafi cope

[Anonymous No.18444686]

>>18444617
It shows the superiority of Soviet Islamic giantess porn.

[Anonymous No.18444723]

>>18444582
I can almost see you shiver with apostate crushing rage in your long white dress and your lousy neckbeard. May Allah strike me down right now if I am lying!!!

[Anonymous No.18444740]

>>18444667
no, what destroyed the ussr was fake friends

[Anonymous No.18444777]

>>18444558
idk man if my religion forces the beheading of apostates I'd be pretty salty too as an apostate

[Anonymous No.18444784]

>>18444723
Allah didn't strike me down, guess he's bullshit huh?

[Anonymous No.18444817]

>>18444777
If that was the case you wouldn't have a head to be salty about

[Anonymous No.18444820]

>>18444740
The real communism was friends we killed along the way

[Anonymous No.18445014]

>>18444558
t. Suburban 15 year old from Iowa

[Anonymous No.18445509]

>>18444777
apostates are salty because they resent people being happy in Islam, it's a happiness they know they can't have or find anywhere

[Anonymous No.18445523]

>>18444206
I hate Islam, but I hate these images arguing against it even more.
Do you think I'm some kind of cuckhold sucking Western dick after abandoning Pisslam? No. Cuckstianity is filth too in many respects.
What pisses me off is you connect unrelated topics to criticism of Islam. Why should I believe that inbreeding map for example? Also why should it have any bearing on the truth?
The reason I hate Islam is because of its hatred of intermediaries towards the truth (i.e., it's all deemed idolatry), Muhammad's claim of a "final revelation", its bloody foundations (e.g., Rashidun), and the nonsensical Semitic myths. None of this involves screaming people with Muslim ancestors are literal subhumans.
Insulting us as a people disgusts me, you Jew-cucked slave and globohomo'd faggot. Next time I criticize Cuckstianity, I'll make sure to post similar stuff as you.

[Anonymous No.18445554]

>>18445523

[Anonymous No.18445565]

>>18445554
Both Islam and Christianity are difficult to believe in. There are some good Muslims and Christians though, but I don't find your religions tenable compared to many others. It's because you begin with historical revelations, rather than metaphysical insight, which involves faith in unsubstantiated historical events.
There are also scholars who deny the existence of both Muhammad and Jesus, and to be honest, many of their arguments are convincing. I've looked into a few of them.

[Anonymous No.18445567]

>>18445523
yet your system only allows 1 wife.

[Anonymous No.18445580]

>>18445567
My own religion is fine with polygyny.
Also, both polygyny and monogamy can coexist. I prefer monogamy, but I understand many virile men have high sex drives and need more than one woman to satiate their needs.
However, polyandry and polyamory are not good for social stability.

[Anonymous No.18445807]

>>18444820
same think with rashidun caliphate, fake friends like muawiya and yazid ruined it

[Anonymous No.18445813]

Unironcally worst book I've ever read. Now I know why the avg Muslim has an IQ of 71

[Anonymous No.18445992]

>>18445565
>It's because you begin with historical revelations, rather than metaphysical insight
They're one and the same
>which involves faith in unsubstantiated historical events.
It's the milieu in which the metaphysical insight resides. Whether any or all events actually happened or not is irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.18446071]

>>18445813
lmao

[Anonymous No.18446290]

>>18445580
Based monogomist

[Anonymous No.18446586]

>>18446290
SR > polygamy > monogamy

[Anonymous No.18447270]

>>18446290
monogamy isn't based.

[Anonymous No.18447285]

>>18447270
Upon?

[Anonymous No.18447304]

>>18447285
>doesn't know what based means
The fuck is this shit.

[Anonymous No.18447357]

>>18444206
>>18444209
I came here just to post these. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.18448720]

>>18444188
Kek islam attracts degenerates.

[Anonymous No.18448725]

Anyone read the Quran Chronologically?
Is it better that way?
Also I've been reading more about the Quran and apparently the Quran and Sunnah are considered to be equally as important, that even Hadith's can abrogate verses in the Quran and so it makes me wonder really how important the Quran is

[Anonymous No.18448729]

>>18444278
>>18444477
Murtads will feel humiliation worse than anything on earth

[Anonymous No.18448740]

>>18444817
It's juat that muslims are incompetent at planning.

[Anonymous No.18448748]

>>18444784
Bitter truth for apostates is that the followers of the man they rejected will come to judge them for it very soon.

[Anonymous No.18448813]

>>18448725
Quranism is a very recent invention and quran and sunna are both important and valid.

[Anonymous No.18448867]

>>18448813
Sure but I always thought muslims placed the Quran at least above the Sunnah cause Muhammad was just a man while the Quran was the literal word of God
Like I can understand how muslims are meant to follow the Sunnah but following the Sunnah at the expense of the Quran?

[Anonymous No.18448873]

>>18448720
How is it degenerate? Its the only alternative to celibacy.

[OP No.18448899]

>>18448725
Hadiths don't abrogate Qur'an in overwhelming majority opinion, that's a strawman used by reformists to try to discredit hadiths. “Oh, the punishment given for zina in Qur'an is lashing, but in Hadiths it's stoning, you're saying Hadiths overrule Qur'an?” no, it's just one is referring to zina (fornication) and other zina (adultery). Rather Sunnah tends to clarify Qur'an and establish the exceptions to general rulings as well as give a guideline to equity. The idea that Sunnah is a collection of rulings which overturn Quran in a conflict is a strawman based on Qur'an being the liberal understanding of it

Qur'an is not intended to be read in the order of revelation so I'm not sure why you would do that. In fact if you wanted to organize the narratives within Qur'an in a a comprehensive way, that wouldn't work, because the longer Quranic narratives, except for the story of Joseph, were revealed in a nonlinear fashion using flashbacks and so on. The actual story of Muhammad ﷺ, the Seerah, is not told by Quran and taught seperately from it, though it's a major part of understanding rulings in it.

Whether or not Qur'an and Sunnah are equal in gravity I have seen two opinions on, one is that they are, the other that the Sunnah is the recourse for whatever the Quran doesn't cover, and this is what Ibn Taymiyyah says who held interpretation of a verse of Qur'an should be done by examining the rest of Qur'an first, then Sunnah if that is inclusive. The opinion it is equal is based on Quran which pairs revelation as coming in the form of "Qur'an and Hikmah”.

The Quran is extremely important and major and controversial rulings are often derived almost exclusively from it. It's actually not really possible to understand the Sunnah without Quran, which is why complete memorization of it is required to even begin a course for being a scholar in the classical sense (having a sanad)

[Anonymous No.18448908]

>>18448899
>Oh, the punishment given for zina in Qur'an is lashing, but in Hadiths it's stoning, you're saying Hadiths overrule Qur'an?

There is no such punishment in the Qur'an.

[Anonymous No.18448929]

>>18448873
>I most cooooooom
>not degenerate

[OP No.18448961]

>>18448908
The hadd for zina is in Quran and the hoorul eyn aren't raisins. If the first upsets you, the second should be some consolation

[Anonymous No.18448976]

>>18448961
Give me the sources you used to come to your claim otherwise I will not believe you.

Or are you just another wahabi larper convert?

[Anonymous No.18448995]

>>18448976
According to posts that I saw and an implicit admission of his, he is a former Orthodox Christian poster who had decided to become a Sunni Muslim poster now and is obsessed with Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn Kathir
You can search it in the archive

[Anonymous No.18449000]

>>18448995
It's all so tiresome..

[OP No.18449006]

>>18448976
>the hadd for zina was invented by MiAW and not an ijma upheld by all four madhahib as well as the Zahiriyya

Bruh. I make it a habit not to argue with people who think things like jizya and Hudud are Wahhabi innovations, because you are turbo jahil. Read The Distinguished Jurist's Primer and familiarize yourself just a little bit on classical fiqh since the Quran itself doesn't satisfy you since Surah an-Noor doesn't

[Anonymous No.18449012]

>>18449006
Post the Surat.
C'mon OP I believe in you.

[Anonymous No.18449058]

>>18444206
>"Arabs (and Muslims in general) are literally inbred"
>Indonesia has the largest muslim population in the world
>has 0% inbreeding
5 years later and that image is still wrong and being used by "literal" retards. Hilarious.

[Anonymous No.18449198]

>>18448929
Like I said, it's the only way to live with cooming.

One wife
>can't meet demand, end up with intercourse 5 or 8 times in a night with longer sessions as it progresses
>she willl get sick of it and warn out

Multiple wives
>likely would lead to less net time spent cooming and more satisication

I also described above the main reason is division of labor and to keep up with sex drive. I don't want orgys. I find the idea of oral and anal sex to be perversions.

For me, it's either celibacy (nofap, no sex) or multiple women.

[Anonymous No.18449292]

>>18448929
And how often do you coom?

[Anonymous No.18449362]

>>18448729
You are the tools of Zionism. You are the unknowing and unconsenting bitchbois, desert niggers, raging inbred Semitic retards, slaves of The Zionistic Globohomo One World Order. You are used to weaken other peoples and create chaos so the Zionists can work quietly and diligently behind the smoke of chaos. You are the human testing grounds for American, Russian, Chinese and Israeli advanced weapon systems. You are the stupid retard desert monkey who can’t stop fighting against your own brothers. You have been enslaved be your own hubris in thinking one day Islam will conquer the world. So instead of making peace with your brothers and uniting Arab countries and forming an alliance with Europe and China to overthrow Globohomo and the Jews and all those that seek to exploit you, instead of doing this you rage like a fucking child and commit violence against innocent civilians. You are a race of stupid, weak, half negro desert monkeys bitchbois and most of all, a race of losers and cowards.

[Anonymous No.18449396]

>>18449362
If Zionism and this apparent global Jewish conspiracy are so obviously successful in their methods of dominating the modern world, would it not indicate that God's favor lies with that side?

I'm not even Jewish but I am an adult and a part of growing up is realizing that while the world may be an unfair place where certain people get advantages over others, all one person can do is try to better themselves and help those around them as best they can. No religious allegiance will make a cruel man see the injustice of his ways.

The violent extremists in the middle east are not the cause of the world's faults, neither are the right wing extremists in Tel Aviv, nor are the political elites in the west. Humanity is bootstrapping civilization as it goes along, as it has always done, and there are bound to be setbacks and barbarity and selfishness and all other negatives along the way. The real battle isn't between races or religions or ideologies, it's between people who understand personal responsibility and children like you.

[Anonymous No.18449459]

>>18449396
No. Whether or not you want to recognize it, human organization is purely about familial and ethnic competition because you can not escape nature. I get the impression you believe in some sort of universal need or want of humanity. There is none other than competition. In the long run you can not defeat nature. Yes the world could be a better place. Look at the West. Peak Western man was decades ago. Technological progress means nothing if people can’t form healthy families and are obsessed with ideological conflict while consuming industrial “food” and increasingly escaping their lives through consumption, media, etc. But the Western systems were predicated on a baseline of trust which Jews and other psychopaths don’t have and instead exploit. Globalists run the world now. They are everyone’s enemy.

[Anonymous No.18449503]

>>18449396
>would it not indicate that God's favor lies with that side?
Considering that half the third world would love to go to the West and that any group of people that has interacted with Jews long enough seems to universally hate them and compounding this with the fact that Jews were only able to become successful after they biologically became mostly European and then took advantage and abused the high trust systems and institutions that Europeans created, it would seem more likely that Europeans are god’s chosen people who have become under attack by Satan’s chosen people.

[Anonymous No.18449520]

>>18449396
It doesn't
Does you living into adulthood and babies/children dying from disease indicate that God favours you and not the child?
You have to trust in God and His goodness

[Anonymous No.18449627]

>>18449459
I don't really buy into the Jewish conspiracy idea. Generationally wealthy and powerful people and groups are overrepresented when it comes to greed and avarice, but I don't inherently oppose someone just because they have advantages that I don't share. There are plenty of people at the top who aren't inherently cruel or evil and there are plenty of people at the bottom who aren't bitter and envious. Jews seem to have a larger share of the power than their small numbers would suggest, but I'd argue that so do WASPs and the latter is almost certainly more powerful than all the other ethnically-defined categories combined. The world is not perfect, but I suspect it never was anyways, nor will it ever be. We're not really in disagreement about human nature, I suspect, but I just see the battle as lost before it's even begun. Today Globalists run the world, yesterday it was Catholics, tomorrow it'll be some other equally-malicious prerogative. All you can do is hold your head up and face whatever the day brings, and try to be an example for others of what it means to be a good man, everything else is folly.

Globalism has downsides, but so does nationalism, and every other ideological attempt at grouping humans. Ultimately it is up to the individual to decide how best to order their own affairs and try to deal with whatever comes their way. Humans are deeply fallible and many (most?) don't even desire to live lives that better their fellow man, but that doesn't mean one shouldn't try to be a better person, if anything it only highlights the need to do so even more. The Globalist agenda is a reaction to the manifold crimes of 20th century nationalism and ideological atrocities, which were themselves reactions against "old world" power structures and aristocracies. Each time you replace the old with the new you get a new set of problems, with the only constant that any one of us has control over being to live one's own life. I seek to understand these ideas (and I'd be a fool if I didn't admit there are numerous gaps in my knowledge and understanding) but if I've learned anything from history it's that one should be very wary of any movement which claims moral superiority on any general basis. We live in tumultuous times, but so did every generation that came before as well. Live for today, live for yourself, live so that the feeble-minded masses will look to you when disaster strikes; that is what it means to be a leader of men, the same as it always has.

>>18449503
Every closed group or society is ultimately distrusted and/or hated by those that do not belong to it. 200 years ago the Jesuits were viewed as a secret cabal which was manipulating world affairs much in the same way Zionists are today (And make no mistake, I don't care for Zionism either). Personally, I'd say the influence of Jewish thought on Western culture has been largely overstated and benign in the modern period. This post is getting too long to continue, though.

[Anonymous No.18449662]

>>18444777
>Muslims
>doing anything to apostates
lol

[Anonymous No.18449671]

>>18444777
You are posting on a haram board on the haram Internet you murtad.

[Anonymous No.18449674]

>>18449520
If I ever meet God, make no mistake, it will have to answer for its crimes. I don't believe strongly in the existence or nonexistence of a higher power, but I very strongly believe that if there is a God, and if it is anything like the one described by the Abrahamic religions, then it is the most hateful, cruel, vile creature that has ever existed. The arbitrary and relentless torment of life and the fact that we are subjected to his apparent will indicate to me that goodness is not one of it's attributes. A caring God would not force us into any world, at least not a God worthy of respect or worship, and certainly not a world so full of suffering.

What you worship is a monster that views you, at best, with indifference and, at worst, as something to be tortured for its own amusement. Personally, I favor the explanation that universe is not possessed of inherently intelligent characteristics and is just a collection of matter and energy confined within a set of more-or-less unchanging parameters, but you may be right that something is responsible for all this. I simply do not know the answer, but based off of all that I have seen, if God does exist it is not worthy of my trust, only my contempt.

[Anonymous No.18449676]

>>18445509
>apostates are
apostates are insulting you on this thread and in real life without any consequences because you are weak.

[Anonymous No.18449684]

>>18445554
Pics of human faces are haram you murtad.
Allah will crush you.

[Anonymous No.18449695]

>>18448729
Allah will crush you, murtad.

[Anonymous No.18449704]

>>18448748
Muslims don't do shit against apostates and you know it, murtad.
lol

[Anonymous No.18449727]

>>18444188
Can someone elaborate how this is degenerate relative to monogamy for the individual. Seems a lot less perverse than the shit I see in the fetish thread where people might have one partner but are filled with bad thoughts and actions within.

[Anonymous No.18449740]

>>18449727
Internet is haram you degenerate murtad.
Allah will crush you.

[Anonymous No.18449787]

>>18449627
No brother. Behind all great evil you find Jews in massively disproportionate numbers. You are being dishonest about the Jews. No group of people is more universally hated than the Jews. EVERY group of people, every race, ethnicity, religion has kicked them out. No other group has experienced this. If the whole world is anti Semitic than it has no meaning. It is like saying someone is anti Illness or anti Death. If everyone is tall than logically no one is tall. Anti Semitism is a made up phrase that the Jews created to manipulate and sully the truth. The truth is that Jews have chosen a group evolutionary strategy of what the rest of humanity calls evil. They are an ethnicity that has above average levels of narcissism, psychopathy and amorality while lacking empathy. They run the media in the West which is a large part of why things are getting so fucked up. Your culturally narratives that most people don’t even know how to question have been in modern times filtered through the the Jewish Media Machine.

[Anonymous No.18449868]

>>18449787
I disagree, but only partly. Allow me to explain.

Behind all great evil you will find humans. Every open society is opposed to a closed society existing within it. A closed society, such as the jews, inherently favors its own members over those who are not part of the group. This is the same with basically every other society as well, but the Jewish people are unique in some ways.

One is in their longevity. Human history is a ceaseless series of groups of people fucking each other over every chance they got. Rome fucked over the Goths when they used them as fodder on the battlefields then left them to starve, so the Goths turned against the Romans and defeated them before sacking Rome. Eventually both groups splintered or dissolved and any animosity between them exists only as a historical footnote. If they existed today, they would certainly have a millennia and a half of grievances to air and atrocities to be blamed, but they don't because they are gone. The Jews are not gone. Against all odds, they have survived conflict with hundreds of other groups, perpetrating selfish acts and suffering terrible persecutions alike, but this does not tell the whole story. The Jewish people are as much to blame for the actions of Evelyn Rothschild as the German people are to blame for the actions of Adolf Hitler. Ultimately, the individual is supreme unit of judgement for which one can assign blame.

Whether you are gentile or Jew, it is up to you to decide whether you will be a noble and upstanding man or give in to man's baser instincts. I do not assign blame to any person based solely on the actions of their ancestors, otherwise all of us would be condemned before we were even born.

Where we do agree is that modern society is heavily influenced by indoctrination and mass media, but even that is beginning to falter. The answer to this issue is not look at the influence of any one group which takes part in the "Great Game" but to strike out at the game itself. The answer is pogroms or holocausts or propaganda or counter-propaganda, it's to live a life dedicated to those you care about. The reason we have such a focus on the plight of the Jewish people in the west is because the Holocaust happened. I disagree that it was a singular event, and that racially-motivated mass violence is not unique to 1940s Germany, but I don't think it should be viewed as a victory by any means nor does it excuse the behavior of the Israeli government in its treatment of the Palestinians, which in turn does not excuse the violence of Hamas against the citizens of Israel. Do you see a pattern here?

The issue lies not with the Jews, the Germans, the Palestinians, the Romans, the Goths, or any other people. The issue is when people surrender their individuality to the group and the group does the thinking for the individual. Only by questioning all narratives and refusing to judge an individual according to the actions of whatever race they are born into can we win.

[Anonymous No.18450256]

>>18444127
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKwOzV3p3Is&t=1s

[Anonymous No.18450267]

>>18444138
/thread

[Anonymous No.18450301]

>>18450256
low t midwit shit and I'm an atheist myself.

[Anonymous No.18450331]

>>18450301
Criticizing a literary analysis without even watching it is the true low t midwit shit.

[Anonymous No.18450338]

Based Islambros, keep spreading the good word.

[Anonymous No.18450981]

>>18449012
>no response
As I thought.

[Anonymous No.18450986]

>>18450331
Watched 5 minutes of it and had enough.

[Anonymous No.18451722]

>>18444188
is multiple wives based or cringe?

[OP No.18451833]

>>18451722
Depends on the wives

[Anonymous No.18451848]

>>18451833
kek

[Anonymous No.18452500]

>>18449662
>>18449704
My apostate friend had his brother murdered by his family and he had to flee Syria because they were gonna kill him. He narrowly escaped being murdered by his family and now he's a pastor in the west. It's pretty sad because what happened was he converted to Christianity first, and the family sent the brother to kill him, but he ended up convincing the brother that Christianity was the truth so he converted. The brother returns home to say that he didn't kill him and now he's a Christian, but the family just murdered him.

It's weird, I thought there was supposed to be no compulsion in Islam, yet you are forced to remain in it under threat of death. I expect the Muslims here to wave this story away and probably call me a tranny.

pic unrelated

[Anonymous No.18452508]

Jew conspiracy is a cope on the part of Muslims because they resent the fact that they cannot remain united.

Jews are united, but Muslims hate each other (yes, even Sunnis hate other Sunnis).

[Anonymous No.18452745]

>>18449627
>tumultuous
honestly very based thanks for you input

[Anonymous No.18452771]

>>18444511
Why do you need a religion to sanction having more than one wife? Why not just do it? Serious question.

[Anonymous No.18452772]

Loving this WHITE LARPER convert who has never lived in a Muslim land think he knows more than the apostates.

You're gonna apostate yourself. I give it two more years, OP.

[Anonymous No.18452873]

>>18452500
fucking trannzoid

[Anonymous No.18452881]

>>18448748
>my brudda will kill you, I swear! Hamdullah!
If you do not grow up as a culture you people will be kept in camps in Europe my lifetime.

[Anonymous No.18452891]

>>18452772
why would anyone be an apostate if they could have 4 wives. seems like incels and one wife chumps are jealous of the chads

[Anonymous No.18452898]

>>18452500
>My apostate friend had his brother murdered by his family

[Anonymous No.18452914]

>>18449868
I want to bear your children.

[Anonymous No.18452930]

>>18452891
>why would anyone be an apostate if they could have 4 wives. seems like incels and one wife chumps are jealous of the chads

The obvious headache it would entail. Just read about your prophet Muhammad. Non stop bickering and jealousy among his wives. Plus, his only virgin wife cheated on him when she was 14. It's an all around recipe for disaster. Just wait till wife no.3 proves to a court that you didn't buy her the exact same amount of stuff you did for the others.

[Anonymous No.18452982]

>>18452500
Cool story bro

[Anonymous No.18452988]

>>18452891
>basing your choice of religion on sexxxxx

Everyone knows that being a muslim is a -3 on the attractiveness scale (being generous here).

[Anonymous No.18453131]

>>18452982
>waves it away

like clockwork

[Anonymous No.18453135]

>>18452988
Does it give you resting bitch face?

[Anonymous No.18453714]

>>18452988
good point

[Anonymous No.18455204]

>>18453135
Worse, women fear the condom (and its wearer) might explode.

[Anonymous No.18456487]

>>18455204
That's another issue I have with Islam. Why don't they have anything against contraception? It is degenerate.

[Anonymous No.18457547]

>>18456487
Islam = breeding in welfare countries so they can subvert the system once they are numerous enough.


Someone should tell them they can't have 7 kids when muslims get in power.

[Anonymous No.18457860]

>>18444206
>Islam spread with wombs and swords
Gotta admit, that sounds based as fuck. Especially since it's still around today.