Oswald Spengler

[Anonymous No.18422934]

Fill me in /lit/ what's the deal with this guy? Not much info of this text online. What I can gather is he's influence by Hegel's Dialectics like how Marx was but, rejects Marxism. Some say he's pessimistic while others say he's realistic.

[Anonymous No.18422955]

A Jew trying to convince us that the West is over. Of course, the implicit message is that the next major civilization on the block is the Judaic one.

[Anonymous No.18422958]

>>18422934
>Some say he's pessimistic while others say he's realistic.
wrong is a more apt term. to be honest in the first few sections he goes on about ahistoric versus historic cultures and that schlock is enough to discard him entirely. he chooses his evidence abhorrently selectively to fall into place with his general theory and that is never a good sign

[Anonymous No.18422977]

>>18422958
Yeah well, Heidegger and Wittgenstein both thought he was right

[Anonymous No.18422992]

>>18422955
Oh I missed that, he's 1/8th Jew. Even by Nazi standards he was German. Evola might say he's a spiritual Jew though.

[Anonymous No.18423028]

Another reactiontard going on about muh West is dying, we need to return to a fantasy version of the past.

I’ve also noticed how not a single reactionary moron can actually write properly. I’ve noticed this too with more mainstream right wing grifters such as Jordan Peterson. Is there a single tarditionalist writer out there that can write properly? Because have never seen one

[Anonymous No.18423029]

>>18422955
>Judaic one.
Well it's like riding the tiger or surfing the Kali Yuga, the force is too strong. Don't fight it, just let it take society to collapse, from their we build anew in the age of heroes.

[Anonymous No.18423030]

>>18422992

We was often positively quoted by Adorno, the fanatic defender of the Jewish cause. If Spengler is Jewish enough for Adorno he sure is for me.

[Anonymous No.18423034]

>>18423028
>right wing grifters such as Jordan Peterson
Jordan Peterson is a liberal (not libtard progressive but, classical) who advocates for radical individualism and critiques post-modernism while worshipping modernism. He is most certainly not right wing.

[Anonymous No.18423040]

>>18423030
This is the wiki section "Nazism and Fascism" for Spengler

>In his private papers, Spengler denounced Nazi anti-Semitism in even stronger terms, wondering "how much envy of the capability of other people in view of one's lack of it lies hidden in anti-Semitism!", and arguing that "when one would rather destroy business and scholarship than see Jews in them, one is an ideologue, i.e., a danger for the nation. Idiotic."
Gay

>He also considered Judaism to be a "disintegrating element" (zersetzendes Element) that acts destructively "wherever it intervenes" (wo es auch eingreift). In his view, Jews are characterized by a "cynical intelligence" (zynische Intelligenz) and their "money thinking" (Gelddenken). Therefore, they were incapable of adapting to Western culture and represented a foreign body in Europe. With these anti-Semitic speculations Spengler contributed significantly to the enforcement of Jewish stereotypes in pre-WW2 German circles.
Based?

[Anonymous No.18423041]

>>18423029
>incels telling themselves that society’s about to collapse and after this, they’ll be the Chads of the coming traditiontard utopia and score a tradwife
This must be the biggest cope on /lit/ right now

[Anonymous No.18423046]

>>18423034
>if someone isn’t right wing enough for my retarded tastes, he was actually a leftist all along

Lol, enjoy your purity spiral, moron

[Anonymous No.18423051]

>>18423046
You will never be a real woman.

[Anonymous No.18423066]

>>18423046
Keep getting your news from buzzfeed articles that say he's the leader of the alt-right, retard. I specifically said he's not leftist, he's left of center.

[Anonymous No.18423069]

>>18422955
>t. didn't read Spengler

[Anonymous No.18423075]

I have a feeling that no one read Spengler in this thread

[Anonymous No.18423089]

>>18423028
>I’ve also noticed how not a single reactionary moron can actually write properly.
Amazing you could say this in connection Spengler considering that you obviously haven't read him. I didn't know leftists were so clairvoyant.

[Anonymous No.18423733]

>>18423046
"Liberal" does not equate to "leftist."

Moron.

[Anonymous No.18423755]

>>18422992
>he's 1/8th Jew.
That's 1/8th too much. Not going to read this.

[Anonymous No.18423766]

>>18423041
kek

[Anonymous No.18423767]

>>18422958
>in the first few sections he goes on about ahistoric versus historic cultures and that schlock is enough to discard him entirely.
Well Hegel does the same thing in his philosophy of history so let's just throw out every philosophy you don't agree with

[Anonymous No.18423815]

>>18423034
>>18423733
JP is a right wing liberal retard

[Anonymous No.18423823]

>>18423041
>incels
Found the bunker tranny

[Anonymous No.18423826]

>>18423034
Liberal party in commonwealth nations is the conservative/right wing party.

[Anonymous No.18423845]

>>18423826
Commonwealth nations are an Orwellian nightmare

[Anonymous No.18424708]

>>18422934
>What I can gather is he's influence by Hegel's Dialectics
That's completely wrong. Hegel thought history developed and the West represented a development quantitatively different and better than anything before it. Spengler was totally the opposite and claimed civilizations were cyclical and they rise and fall and the West wasn't any better or worse than anyone else.

[Anonymous No.18424745]

>Some say he's pessimistic while others say he's realistic.
I'm going down the middle road and say he's a fatalist. Nobody who reads Spengler and actually understands him can call him a pessimist in good conscience, he calls for taking the decline like a man since there is no alternative and actively condemns people who want to RETVRN as coping fools.

[Anonymous No.18424776]

>>18424745
>RETVRN as coping fools
Interesting. What does he specifically advocate for then?

[Anonymous No.18424952]

>>18424776
He outlines it in the introduction (which admittedly is very long on its own already) - the great cultural achievements already have been made and exhausted, so don't waste your time with it but rather make the best out of the centuries that still lie ahead with what still is possible: Dominance in technology and on the world stage, because at the time of writing, there was no world-dominating superpower as of yet. "Better to build an aircraft engine than write a poem".

[Anonymous No.18424960]

>>18423069
Literally the last passage in DotW is about handing the world over to the blacks and browns and is somewhat celebratory of the fact

[Anonymous No.18425007]

>>18424960
Please, cite this passage then

[Anonymous No.18425619]

>>18422977
>the born-again christian and the man who thought mathematics was transcendental

[Anonymous No.18425671]

>>18423823
Have sex, fagqueer

[Anonymous No.18425681]

>>18424960
Would be antithetical to his other points in "the Hour of Decision," you false-flagging leftist retard.

[Anonymous No.18425689]

>>18422934
Goethe

[Anonymous No.18425957]

>rightards hate because he's muh 1/8th Jew
>leftards hate him becaus he's muh "reactionary"
Yea, I'm thinking based. This is how you know you must read an author.

[Anonymous No.18426071]

>>18425671
Whatever you say meatsack.

[Anonymous No.18426313]

>>18425957
Those both sound like a bunch of bullshit from just the tards in this thread, honestly. For those who've heard of Spengler, I think the real results are different.
Liberals don't like Spengler because he dispells with their ironically eurocentric notions of progress, so they try to ignore him, or like Karl Popper call his thesis "pointless." Marxists don't like him because he proffers an alternative and grounded view of history compared to there fantastical paradigms. Nazis begrudged him to a lesser degree, more out of control. It's not like they sent him to a camp or anything, but kept a lid on his work.

[Anonymous No.18426348]

It's funny how retards will call Spengler "reactionary." It reveals the sort of pseudo intellectual shade and persistent politicking they ceaselessly engage in. The mere fact that there's a new fascination of him among those pesky rightoids means he must be "the enemy."

[Anonymous No.18426382]

>>18426313
The nazis hated him because he was an intellectual who they hoped to get on their side, but then he unexpectedly went rogue; his Jahre der Entscheidung was considered the first grand ideological attack on their world view. I believe he did vote NSDAP at least once, but his disagreements with Alfred Rosenberg's Der Mythus des 20. Jahrhunderts and his disappointing encounter with Hitler taught him better.

[Anonymous No.18426605]

>>18426382
Tbh a lot of the disagreements with the Nazis stem from Spengler's own insecurities and failures in his political attempts

[Anonymous No.18427109]

>>18426605
He wasn't built for that sort of thing. Like a lot of German intellectuals at the time, he was exceptionally bad at making friends and trifled over smaller issues. If I had to guess, this lack of social and political ability led to his failures there. I think Spengler was a genius, but it is ironic when he glorifies the man of blood when he himself is the solitary genius, impotent in matters of the state and the world. And part of it was the same thing that led to his soured relations with the Nazis
Hitler knew how to play this game, and I think Spengler ignored this. He was far too picky in what he was expecting for politics, almost in spite of his grand and truthful insights to how these things play out. I find it funny that he didn't like the rallies, but what else could he expect as a man in the winter of civilization? Hitler managed to combine a bunch of disparate kinds of factions: old Prussian aristocracy, neopagan racialists, conservative Catholics, Lutherans, etc. They might not have all liked him very much, but they worked with him.
Spengler, on the other hand, had no talent for such politics, but all the genius for philosophy, anthropology, and history, despite his encouraging others to try for these "practical" things over the dying forms of the humanities. Here he was staring the face of men who could play his game of "the man of blood," play it far better than he could, and he could only whine over small appearances and trifling matters. Although perhaps this was for the longevity of his work now, since he was spared a permanent association with the Nazis through his antagonism, and his work can live on with less controversy than it needs.

[Anonymous No.18427174]

>>18426605
Spengler's idea of race was antithetical to the Nazi idea of race. Nazi shallow racialism was also why lots of other people couldn't agree with the them.

[Anonymous No.18427865]

>>18422934

He is the Confucius of the West, and just like Confucius he was condemned because he was right - "When Confucius completed Spring and Autumn Annals" — the book in which he taught the State religion of his and in which he showed that the society of his time was doomed; when Confucius wrote that book, "the Jesuits and anarchists (lit. bandits) of his time, became afraid." (亂臣賊子懼). . . . The object of the book is to give the real moral causes which govern the rise and fall—the Spring and Autumn of nations. Confucius gave a résumé of the history of a false and decadent state of society and civilisation in which he traced all the suffering and misery of that false and decadent state of society and civilisation to its real cause. - Gu Hongming

Basically Spengler did not believe in progressive or universal history, only history of High Cultures that are born, mature, age and die. A High Culture comes into being from a Ur-symbol or Prime Symbol. It is a metaphysics intuition that gives birth to a new religious feeling, wanting to actualize itself in the world it expresses itself. However this expression eventually turns from inward to outward expression, where the sciences, numbers and ideas of a culture becomes increasing detached from its religious world view, this eventually lead to nihilism, questioning old honored traditions. You get irreligious, rational and materialistic men who question and sterilize everything by analyzing it, including themselves. With great cities and declining birthrate, the culture commits race suicide, to not forget wars get larger and more expensive, accelerating the decline. Eventually the culture becomes tired, and since their sciences cannot answer the needs of the people they return to second religiousness, which comes with Caesarism, strongmen who take the remnants of the High Culture as loot for themselves. The High Culture has now actualized itself and will now stay in a petrified form indefinitely, until out of it a new High Culture comes into being, often through rape of the old.

For Spengler Culture is the early period of a High Culture, Civilizations is the period of decline.

And just like Confucius people are as good to misreading him, but in regard to Spengler being pessimistic and realistic he would later call himself a brave pessimist where he called for the last heroes of the West to be like the Soldier of Pompeii, standing proud and hold his post until the end.

I recommend these channels to learn more about Spengler:

https://youtu.be/Zc2200Wh3Zw - Promethean Gnosis, Overall good introduction videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yzwfs3DjSJg&list=PLA7E2840B724C6695 - John David Ebert's Video Series on Oswald Spengler, recommended watching this before reading Spengler. He the go to author for Oswald Spengler.