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[Anonymous No.18355857]

>be me
>be studying philosophy at top tier school
>maintain 3.0 GPA without trying or attending class. Not because I'm a genius but because philosophy departments have become history departments
>be 1 year away from graduating
>feel nothing
>wonder is this really some of the best society had to offer of philosophy?
>imagine and correlate this lack of philosophy with the overall lack of modern civilization
>remember that genuinely reading the text and discussing the ideas allowed me to get away with not attending lectures.
>remember that is the literal definition of a forum and that's what we do here.
>feel dumb because I paid 30k for a book club and a "breaths through nose, not mouth" certificate.

[Anonymous No.18355859]

I took a utopianism and anarchism that was pretty legit though.

[Anonymous No.18355867]

>>18355857
>>maintain 3.0 GPA without trying or attending class. Not because I'm a genius but because philosophy departments have become history departments
lol damn, nice jab at historyfags.

[Anonymous No.18355870]

>>18355857
This board is probably the best supplement to philosophy period

If I had money I think it could be a better replacement.

[Anonymous No.18355871]

>>18355857
>be studying philosophy at top tier school
Post thigh highs

[Anonymous No.18355894]

>>18355867
The way history is studied today is the most pointless thing. What's the difference between someone who knows everything about Game of Thrones lore and someone who knows everything about the industrial output of the Ottoman empire during WW1? The 19th century Germans who thought there was meaning to history are far more valuable.

Also, op is correct about philosophy being history now. Most of my philosophy essays are history essays too.

[Anonymous No.18355917]

>>18355867
>>18355894
OP here

History is amazingly useful I will say. It can be very dry at times but it really is fun and useful, history tends to rhyme. Also some of the smartest dudes I knew were history dudes.

[Anonymous No.18355921]

>>18355871

I am a bisexual man who takes pride in fitness.

[Anonymous No.18355930]

>>18355921
New you were one of the letters hon. I now immediately have no credence in any of your takes on philosophy.
Your letter tells me your values are just too alien to mine for us to have common ground.

[Anonymous No.18355961]

>>18355930
awesome.

[Anonymous No.18356126]

>>18355894
>What's the difference between someone who knows everything about Game of Thrones lore and someone who knows everything about the industrial output of the Ottoman empire during WW1?
Everything, you giga coping faggot. Even the most specialized historian has a great universal grasp on history.

[Anonymous No.18356132]

>>18355921
all the more reason to wear thigh highs.

[Anonymous No.18356137]

>>18355921
>>18355930
Maybe go back to your own kind on r.eddit

[Anonymous No.18356142]

>>18356126
About-to-get-his-bachelors historycel detected. No jobs in history, lad. Learn to code.

[Anonymous No.18356143]

>>18355921
bisexual = gay

[Anonymous No.18356151]

>claims to be some sort of prodigy
>can't even speak English properly

[Anonymous No.18356154]

>>18356142
Blow me you fat homo retard.

[Anonymous No.18356335]

>>18356154
Hit a nerve, did I?

[Anonymous No.18356349]

>>18356151
>critiquing grammar on a backwater furry manga image board

[Anonymous No.18356371]

>>18355917
>tends to rhyme
Are you trying to tell us you have a formal analytic historicism you should be sharing which dictates stock prices well?

[Anonymous No.18356404]

congratulations OP you wasted a potential life changing top tier school degree by deciding to study philosophy of all things. Not only that, you put in zero effort and squeeked out a mediocre GPA; you can kiss law school and grad school good bye.

you realize if you actually tried and managed to get 3.5+ GPA (should have been easy since you got 3.0 without trying at all, right?) you would have basically been set for life. Instead you blew your opportunity and wasted your potential. You must have rich parents or something

[Anonymous No.18356412]

>be me
>historian
>really believe my field offers something and the linear accumulation of facts is just data waiting to be structured
>think science would be better served with its history as well implying rationalism has some benefits over a more pure empiricism
>think all these things and go to write a book
>at the start there is literally no formal historicism based on a good metaphysics that can be checked to see if historicism works
>literally rely on eyewitnesses throughout history thus using empiricism to found his rational bend over empiricism
>be every historian after Hegel

Don't blame anyone when you get cut funding or when pomo feminists with a metaphysics force you to relearn history w their historicism. Smhmh

[Anonymous No.18356421]

>>18356412
Should be wolf is proper historicism and beaver/muskrat is a modern historian*

[Anonymous No.18356423]

>>18356335
Sure you did, code monkey. You and your programming socks showed us humanitieschads.

[Anonymous No.18356446]

>>18356412
>>18356421
>me and the boys

[Anonymous No.18356450]

>>18355857
>maintain 3.0 GPA without trying
If you're an undergrad of at least slightly above average intelligence, which I'll grant you, this is literally nothing to be proud of.

>or attending class
>because philosophy departments have become history departments
The first statement explains why you might think the second one. You're wrong, by the way.

>feel nothing
Drifting through undergrad arrogant and disengaged will do this.

>wonder is this really some of the best society had to offer of philosophy
Why do you deserve anyone's best? You don't even feel obligated to show up and dignify the professor's time and effort, or the effort and ideas of those around you. Some might suck, sure, but you're a coward by not having any stake in the discussion.

I'm not even continuing. You get the point. You coasted by on the bare minimum, felt like you gamed the system, and walked out as king of midwit mountain. Everyone else paid 30k (a high figure, to be sure) for in person instruction and the company of their intellectual peers, but you did indeed pay 30k for a book club, so who really walked away the smart one?

[Anonymous No.18356472]

>>18355894
>What's the difference between someone who knows everything about Game of Thrones lore and someone who knows everything about the industrial output of the Ottoman empire during WW1?

Vast amounts of onions.

[Anonymous No.18356473]

>>18356450
Those who dont pay tens of thousands for university

[Anonymous No.18356484]

>>18356446
Shitty 3 minute oc

[Anonymous No.18356494]

>>18356142
>>18356335
Soicuck knows python and Game of Thrones, the fact that he will earn more than the history cuck is a symptom of the West's downfalls

[Anonymous No.18356500]

>>18356423
Insulting won't pay your 60k loan, historycel.

>he didn't learn to code to make money while he studies arts in his spare time

Simply LOLing@u

[Anonymous No.18356507]

>>18356494
>hear me ramble about some random facts I learned and can't apply
>should get paid more than a programmer
I'd be more upset in humanity if this weren't the case. See: >>18356484

[Anonymous No.18356515]

>>18356494

Oh I am sorry, did someone choose a useless degree? My condolences, friend. Perhaps you should teach highschool kids for $25k per annum?

[Anonymous No.18356523]

>>18356349
>critiquing

[Anonymous No.18356528]

>>18356494
>programmer should earn less than a historian
>opposite turns out to be what happened
You hate to see it. Might want to check your causation narrative and reapply your own historicism anon

[Anonymous No.18356537]

>>18356500
No loan. I don't live in the third world, education is free here if you study well. You are a code monkey, no matter which way you swing it. The fact that you have to go to the HUMANITIESCHAD boards to brag about being one of the countless stemanlets says everything that needs to be known about your condition. Keep boasting and hollering, we will be very impressed.

[Anonymous No.18356539]

>>18355917
>History is amazingly useful I will say.
No it's not, it's entertainment at best. Hardly a genuinely worthy intellectual pursuit.

[Anonymous No.18356543]

>>18356537
Neither of these people are Chads. People who start a Shrimp Farming business in their basement or join the Merchant Navy are more "Chad" than these effeminate pussies.

[Anonymous No.18356545]

>>18355857
>Be retard
>Don't put any effort into doing [x]
>Whine that doing [x] doesn't bear fruit
Congrats

[Anonymous No.18356548]

>>18355857
>"breaths through nose, not mouth"
I am forced to breathe through my mouth because I have terrible sinus problems and my nose is blocked 90% of the time

[Anonymous No.18356552]

>>18356494
>the fact that he will earn more than the history cuck is a symptom of the West's downfalls
No it's not, the fact any prole think they can develop a "career" out of what is essentially a glorified hobby/past-time for bored aristocrats is what's the symptom.

[Anonymous No.18356556]

>>18356537
seethe

[Anonymous No.18356571]

>>18356450
>Some might suck, sure, but you're a coward by not having any stake in the discussion.
Before you criticize for anyone for being an "undergrad", maybe you should consider what where you actually fall into the hierarchy and realize there's no room for dissent or free thinking when you're for all intents and purposes a slave to your professor's whims. You get to do that stuff when you're actually being paid by that very system (post-grad).

[Anonymous No.18356583]

You can either get bitching or get solving

[Anonymous No.18356600]

>>18356571
>no room for dissent or free thinking when you're for all intents and purposes a slave to your professor's whims
There absolutely is, within the normal limits of polite society. Its unlikely you'd be able to go up and recite something radically racially charged, for instance, but no professor is going to fail you for not agreeing with their "whims" on metaphysics or ethics. You have to defend your points to a particular standard, of course, but I have never seen a professor arbitrarily hassle a student for not toeing the line. Healthy disagreement is the point of class discussions.

[Anonymous No.18356601]

>>18356537

You will never make it in academia. You will spend your life working your fingers to the bone making starvation wages. You will never have enough money to be comfortable. You will die a cynical bitter old man. No amount of coping can change that, anon.
See >>18356552
btw,repeatedly calling yourself a chad does not make you a chad.

[Anonymous No.18356609]

>>18356600
>(h)ealthy disagreement is the point of class discussions...
(Looks more like a greentext)
Not him but what a bunch of liberal crock. Disagreeing doesn't guarantee freedom and this nonsense is why 90% of papers are negative proofs. It's made us more similar. Rigorous formal proofs guarantee higher success without leaving so many unchecked variables to go wild.

[Anonymous No.18356618]

>>18356609
Yes but we're talking about classroom environments for the average undergrad when you're still getting used to the primary sources and the formal argumentation, not academic publishing, in which case I would actually agree with you.

[Anonymous No.18356622]

>>18356601
Damn, that cuts deep bro...

[Anonymous No.18356626]

>>18356618
Cool I actually agree with your first point too.

What do you think of my memes?
>>18356583
>>18356484

Pretty cool maybe? Trying photoshop app

[Anonymous No.18356700]

>>18355917
History is useful when not done "for histories sake".
I don't care about how long it took the Ottomans to siege each city, I care about the political and economic reasons they put those cities under siege and the lasting cultural legacy these events left behind.

[Anonymous No.18356710]

>>18356700
Perhaps IQ is a better historicism and the materialists were right. Too bad they have an informal framework of IQ and it doesn't predict causation.

[Anonymous No.18356836]

>>18356600
>There absolutely is, within the normal limits of polite society
Polite society's criteria is arbitrary, you likely won't be shut down but you will never be taken seriously. Your professor is still a biased human being all the same.

[Anonymous No.18356848]

>>18356600
>There absolutely is, within the normal limits of polite society
Polite society's criteria is arbitrary, you likely won't be shut down but you will never be taken seriously. Your professor is still a biased human being all the same. It's a grade based system, it's built on perceived subjective prestige and nothing more.

[Anonymous No.18356898]

>>18356848
>Polite society's criteria is arbitrary
Absolutely, I didn't claim objective grounding. My point was that any constraint on your opinions is likely to be from soft social pressure or things like that rather than academic bias against subject-related disagreement.

>you will never be taken seriously
This just isn't true. If anything, I've found that professors enjoy weird papers written well, the latter part being the catch for a lot of people.

>Your professor is still a biased human being all the same. It's a grade based system, it's built on perceived subjective prestige and nothing more.
Yes, and to correct for this, many professors will grade papers after they have been anonymized. If you feel like you've been wronged, bring it to someone else. Years of postgraduate philosophy study really does a lot to impress upon you the fact that other people can be very convincing and very intelligent about things you don't agree with. Your personal opinion is only good as far as the argument you can muster for it. Its rare to encounter someone who can't handle disagreement. Not impossible, but rare.

[Anonymous No.18356914]

>>18356700
>I don't care about how long it took the Ottomans to siege each city, I care about the political and economic reasons they put those cities under siege and the lasting cultural legacy these events left behind.
Nobody cares about what a pleb like you cares about. Both are equally important to know.

[Anonymous No.18356946]

>>18356450
Shut the fuck up tranny

[Anonymous No.18356966]

>>18356898
>you're just projecting lol
Not going to argue with you if you keep pulling this petty bullshit.

[Anonymous No.18356971]

>>18356946
I've seen you do this before. Its still funny.

[Anonymous No.18356981]

>>18356966
That was not my intention, to accuse you of projecting.

[Anonymous No.18357018]

>>18356404
True

[Anonymous No.18357045]

>>18356914
Social sciences dick all over you.
The purpose of history is to learn the lessons required to navigate the present. Not fantasise about warfare.

[Anonymous No.18357093]

>>18357045
You have no authority to tell anyone about the purpose of history, insolent bird-brained bastard. I don't give a flying fuck about your precious little social sciences, NOBODY cares! What is this "fantasise about warfare" nonsense, from which corner of your unwashed barbarian ass did you pull it out? Knowing the intricate details and minutiae of historical events, no matter what they be, whether it be your made up obsession of sieges, whether it be the study of venetian trade accounts or portuguese sailing logs...their analysis is just as important as the reasons for and consequences of...you cannot have a full picture of one without the other, you pathetic, arrogant nonhuman imbecile.

[Anonymous No.18357176]

>>18357093
>barbarian ass

>>18357045
You gave him unexperienced ptsd anon you've done it now

[Anonymous No.18357603]

>>18355857
A 3.0 GPA is not an achievement. If you didn't get much out of your time at university, it is because you yourself did not use your time well.

[Anonymous No.18358830]

>>18357603
Op here

3.0 gets me where I need to be, the personal growth benefits and connections are something that you don't need to go to school for.

[Anonymous No.18358878]

>>18358830
No but you need to go to class for them lmao get rekt you hack

[Anonymous No.18358891]

>>18358830
Post your thigh-high clad body, sweetie.

[Anonymous No.18358905]

>>18358891
OP, don't post shit.

[Anonymous No.18358958]

>>18355894
>What's the difference between someone who knows everything about Game of Thrones lore and someone who knows everything about the industrial output of the Ottoman empire during WW1?
History requires a copious amount of research and turning that research into a completely whole and rational piece of work. This is important so that people can appreciate and understand why their reality is the way it is. You're being incredibly disingenuous by not considering the bigger picture that history is trying to paint. History is NOT the recitation of "key" (puke) facts. Stop pretending it is you colossal faggot.

[Anonymous No.18358967]

>>18355894
>>18355857
this is your brain on anglo-saxon «university»

[Anonymous No.18358993]

>>18358905
OP is already a troon, idiot.

[Anonymous No.18359000]

It may be a trash degree, but that doesn't make it useless. Take advantage of it, bypass all these shitty retail/service jobs. Someone is interested in a philosophy major with a good gpa.

[Anonymous No.18359016]

>gets a bad gpa
>didnt try at all, no work ethic
>ruined entire life prospects because they have no chance of entering a graduate program
>is smug about all of it
i dont think youre all that smart anon :)

[Anonymous No.18359017]

>be me
>study philosophe because free college
>4+ years somewhat wasted
>mild regret

I wish I'd studied something more profitable, and then go back to college for a philosophy degree. Most people here studying humanities in university are seniors anyway.

[Anonymous No.18359022]

>>18359000
>Someone is interested in a philosophy major with a good gpa.
It's only useful to apply to a masters or ph.d

People don't care much about your gpa outside of university.

[Anonymous No.18359150]

>>18356601
OP here

What happens if I already have enough money?

[Anonymous No.18359158]

>>18359016
>Not because I'm a genius but because philosophy departments have become history departments

Re read post

[Anonymous No.18359166]

>>18359150
That wasn't meant for you. I already guessed from your post that you were a richoid, only a richoid can be that stupid.

[Anonymous No.18359170]

>>18355857
If you're so clever why don't you open up your own school of philosophy like the great Greeks?

[Anonymous No.18359186]

>>18359000
It OP

>Take advantage of it, bypass all these shitty retail/service jobs.

Luckily I enjoy my work and make a pretty decent wage so I'm able to afford and pursue a philosophy degree. My GPA isn't extraordinary but my extra curriculars are in terms of most other philosophy majors. I believe this could leave the door open for graduate studies in the future.

[Anonymous No.18359190]

>>18358905
I wouldn't I already work in OSIG so I know the dangers of it.

[Anonymous No.18359195]

>>18359170
Possibly.

[Anonymous No.18359196]

a grade in a philosophy class basically says "I participated" and that's the way it should be

[Anonymous No.18359269]

>>18356450
OP

> Yes, I agree

> I see your point, I attended class for the first two years and found the introductions to be interesting because they focus on the concepts rather than the history of why the philosopher came to the concepts. Your statements are logical and I will add that logic courses I did attended fully and those I found to be legitimately challenging.

>There is a lot more at play there but yes I agree.

>In theory, I deserve the best of something because I paid the monetary value of it. I wouldn't even blame the professors, I'd blame who ever chose the curriculum of history of philosophy rather than debating the ideas. Perhaps I've been ignorant and let my situations get the best of me. Regardless great post, a lot to think about. I still have a year left, so all isn't lost.

[Anonymous No.18359271]

>>18359196
I would say it's more did you put thought into the idea and is it logically valid.

[Anonymous No.18359376]

>>18355857
>studying philosophy at a school
you are but a snapshot in god's cringe compilation

[Anonymous No.18359454]

>>18355857
>maintain 3.0 GPA without trying or attending class
>Not because I'm a genius
>3.0 GPA
>not because i'm a genius

[Anonymous No.18359536]

>>18355857
>maintain the barest, scraping the barrel tier, amount of effort
>effortlessly
>effortlessly doing the absolute minimum of effort
>humble bragging genius of AVERAGE Bs
>"absolute best on offer" by skipping classes and doing fuck all
What the fuck.
You are like a walking essay titled "Pseudness as a Modus of Existence"

[Anonymous No.18359641]

>>18355894
I see you've been thoroughly told off but I can't resist recalling that one adage
>those ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it
or something along those lines