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"We sometimes go on as though people can’t express themselves. In fact they’re always expressing themselves. The sorriest couples are those where the woman can’t be preoccupied or tired without the man saying “What’s wrong? Say something…,” or the man, without the woman saying … and so on. Radio and television have spread this spirit everywhere, and we’re riddled with pointless talk, insane quantities of words and images. Stupidity’s never blind or mute. So it’s not a problem of getting people to express themselves but of providing little gaps of solitude and silence in which they might eventually find something to say. Repressive forces don’t stop people expressing themselves but rather force them to express themselves; What a relief to have nothing to say, the right to say nothing, because only then is there a chance of framing the rare, and ever rarer, thing that might be worth saying. What we’re plagued by these days isn’t any blocking of communication, but pointless statements. But what we call the meaning of a statement is its point. That’s the only definition of meaning, and it comes to the same thing as a statement’s novelty. You can listen to people for hours, but what’s the point? . . . That’s why arguments are such a strain, why there’s never any point arguing. You can’t just tell someone what they’re saying is pointless. So you tell them it’s wrong. But what someone says is never wrong, the problem isn’t that some things are wrong, but that they’re stupid or irrelevant. That they’ve already been said a thousand times. The notions of relevance, necessity, the point of something, are a thousand times more significant than the notion of truth. Not as substitutes for truth, but as the measure of the truth of what I’m saying. It’s the same in mathematics: Poincaré used to say that many mathematical theories are completely irrelevant, pointless; He didn’t say they were wrong – that wouldn’t have been so bad."

>> No.18306040
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>>18305983
why is he writing like language is the only form of communication? Language is only the tip of the iceberg in that regard. Having small talk with people isn't always about the context of the words which he seems upset about, but can be more about performing a social ritual that communicates much deeper attitudes and feelings.
I do agree that any verbal argument is pointless and is better solved through violent force (i.e. dueling or a court system built on a foundation of violence (i.e. any government))

>> No.18306064

>>18306040
because some people are too lazy or unequipped to look below the surface and notice unconscious communcation.

>> No.18306271

>>18305983
#deep

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>>18305983
honestly, i need to talk less because it really is pointless trying to convince people what they're saying is stupid or that they need to change their behavior.

>> No.18306976

this quote is not deleuze

>> No.18307002

>>18306976
Not OP, but that's from Negotiations no doubt

>> No.18307053

How does he do it bros. Why is he so based?

>> No.18307071

>>18305983
> riddled with pointless talk, insane quantities of words and images
Rather hypocritical

>> No.18307539

>>18306976
yeah it is

>> No.18307585

>>18305983
>But what we call the meaning of a statement is its point. That’s the only definition of meaning,

Not at all the case

>> No.18307964

Sounds like Heidegger talking about Das Man and Idle talk

>> No.18308501

>>18305983
Literally said absolutely nothing

>> No.18308573

>>18305983
Why do undergrads like this guy so much?

>> No.18308585

>>18305983
So what..?

>> No.18308594

>>18306040
>social ritual that communicates much deeper attitudes and feelings
If you constantly require the affirmations expressed above then you are not expressing anything deep beyond a folly despair.
The only social ritual that could be seen as communicating deeper attitudes and feelings are those without words, i.e. a rite of passage, a concert.

Anything which evicts the words meanings and instead fiddles with them.... there is absolutely nothing more infuriating. To be reduced to sounds rather than content, what's the fucking point to ritualistically fit into animals?

Absurd

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Very Hegelian.

>> No.18311584

My nails always chip when I try to grow them out like that