Yukio Mishima

[Anonymous No.18275511]

I recently purchased Mishima's Thirst for Love and The Sailor Who Fell from Grace with the Sea. They arrive on Friday. Were these two a good first choice? Which novels should be read next (if there is an order)?

[Anonymous No.18275619]

>>18275511
Spring Snow and Runaway Horses are my favorites (read in that order)

[Anonymous No.18275928]

>>18275511
Why don't you focus on ACTUALLY FUCKING READING THE BOOKS before asking us anymore questions.

[Anonymous No.18276244]

books don't have orders dumbass lmao

[Anonymous No.18276317]

Was he really a fag or this is just defamation?

[Anonymous No.18276339]

>>18275511
It doesn’t matter. All of his books are good.

>>18276317
He was probably gay or at the very least bisexual but there’s really no way to confirm. It is possible that he wasn’t but I find that hard to believe.

[Anonymous No.18276346]

>>18275511
he was gae

[Anonymous No.18276398]

>>18275511
Yeah... this guy was a flaming homosexual.
I’d pass on reading anything by him.

[Anonymous No.18276401]

>>18276339
why is it hard to believe?

[Anonymous No.18276467]

>>18276401
That he wasn’t gay? Because he wrote homoerotic stories and the details of his life seem to indicate that not only did he have homoerotic fantasies but that he was intimate with men. There seems to be a lot more to suggest he was gay than to suggest he wasn’t.

Either way, does it really matter? He was a novelist and he wrote really really fantastic stories.

[Anonymous No.18276517]

>>18276467
thanks anon, i never read him. On wikipedia i just found a couple of lines about it.
For me it matters because i consider a mental disturbance, since you asked.

[Anonymous No.18276552]

>>18276517
Kys

[Anonymous No.18276562]

>>18276398
Die

[Anonymous No.18276595]

>>18276552
why?

[Anonymous No.18276689]

>>18276517
In all seriousness, I avoided reading his books despite knowing about him for a long time because I just could not identify or sympathize with his biography or what people say about him. Then I finally got around to reading his books and I regret not reading them earlier. He really was a fantastic novelist, whether you read his books in Japanese or English.

[Anonymous No.18276846]

>>18276689
Not going to not read him because he is a fag, but he will not be top of the list for me though... For me being gay is a mental flaw, like being obese - which doesn't stop me admiring fat fucks such as Goering or even Churchill.
But i find odd he didn't give a fuck about questioning all dogmas of society, but he was afraid of coming out? Principally if you consider his family and even friends all said it was not true. But i don't know about him.
What do you think?

[Anonymous No.18277323]

>>18276846
I don’t know. I don’t really care. The man was an artist and lived his life as such. If anything, I think I admire the fact that he didn’t make a spectacle of sexuality in a public relations or “this is my identity sort of way” but instead, channeled it into his art. You know, I’ll be upfront with you and say that his sexuality was never all that much of a concern to me. I steered clear because he appeared to be this rather perverse larger than life character. I thought I’d be getting a bad Japanese version of some weird Bataille-like author. Instead, I got an author who, in my mind, is clearly one of the best, if not the best, novelist of the 20th century and deserving of conversation for being among the best over several centuries even. I was shocked by how good his writing is but his politics or his sexuality never were of a primary concern to me.

[Anonymous No.18277343]

>>18276846
he wasn't a unhinged faggot that can't stop himself from sucking cock, he was basically role playing like a method actor in his own life.
That arguably makes him 20% much more of a faggot, but at least its the cool kind.

[Anonymous No.18277425]

Read the biography and pick one random novel in english

[Anonymous No.18278438]

>>18275511
those are ok but the best one to start with is confessi9ns of a mask. you'll know whats behind all the other books once you read that.

[Anonymous No.18278446]

>>18276517
there are some good books by mentally disturbed people.

[Anonymous No.18278557]

>>18275928
this

[Anonymous No.18278567]

>>18276846
lol you sound like a closeted fag.

[Anonymous No.18280042]

>>18277425
Which biography? Scott-Stokes, who knew him; John Nathan (a jew), who impressed Mishima with the translation of The Sailor Who Fell from Grace with the Sea; Inose, an actual Japanese; or the most recent, Rankin's Aesthetic Terrorist?

[Anonymous No.18281067]

>>18275511
You did right. Read them

[Anonymous No.18281234]

>>18276846
>For me being gay is a mental flaw, like being obese - which doesn't stop me admiring fat fucks such as Goering or even Churchill.
Not even in his wildest dreams could Mishima be gayer than you, you absolute flaming faggot

[Anonymous No.18281685]

>>18276517
>For me it matters because i consider a mental disturbance, since you asked.
You must be 18 to post here

[Anonymous No.18281858]

>>18275511
Sailor is a good book. Not a nice book. But a good one. Just read it there.

[Anonymous No.18283190]

>>18275511
Read them.

[Anonymous No.18283784]

I read "the sailor who fell from grace with the sea" first and I enjoyed it and think its a good introduction to Mishima

[Anonymous No.18284246]

I was keeping a passive eye out for Mishima books for years (frequenting used book stores is a hobby). They were very rare before Murakami popularized Japanese Literature, leading to classic stuff being reissued and circulate more. The first one I got my hands on was Spring Snow (I read it and loved it). I found The Sailor Who Fell From Grace With the Sea and The Temple of the Golden Pavilion shortly thereafter (but haven't read them yet).

I also found Runaway Horses and The Temple of Dawn last November (I went on a city-wide hunt for them one weekend, I wanted to try to finish off the Sea of Fertility Tet on the 50th anniversary of his death and watch Mishima: A Life in Four Chapters on the 20th, but I wasn't able to find Decay).

I haven't read everything he's written but, from what I have read, it doesn't seem like you can go wrong with him. (Not to be a dick, but Murakami indirectly causing his books to become more available is probably a bigger contribution to lit than his actual books have been).

[Anonymous No.18284441]

>>18275928
yoooooo!!!

[Anonymous No.18284479]

>>18276517
Based

[Anonymous No.18284899]

Mishima is great literature.

[Anonymous No.18284928]

>>18275511
I finished Thirst for Love about a week back and I really liked it. I thoroughly enjoy Mishima's way of metaphorical description.

[Anonymous No.18285520]

>>18281234
Closet coping

[Anonymous No.18285531]

>>18285520
aka you faggot

[Anonymous No.18285546]

>>18275511
Sea of Fertility tetralogy

[Anonymous No.18285819]

I relate a lot to confessions of a mask without the whole sadomasochism thing

[Anonymous No.18285837]

>>18275511
Since everyone is sperging out too hard in the comments, I’ll rec Sailor as a solid entry-point

[Anonymous No.18286130]

The amount of raging retards in Mishima thread who say hurr he was gae durr is unbelivable. Same goes for those who go: maybe he was just bisexual XD! Sure he choked his chicken before the portrait of St. Sebastian, but your categorization of such a complex character as was Mishima is still abysmaly retarded.
Fuck this board, you niggers don't even read.

[Anonymous No.18286146]

>>18275511
test

[Anonymous No.18286368]

>>18276244
If you read dogwater, you probably won't pick up another book by the same author, even if the one you read is his first/worst. In this case, books really don't have an order but the sequence you read them in can influence your thoughts about the author.

[Anonymous No.18286375]

>>18286130
You are the one who is retarded here for getting baited by gay hate on 4chan

[Anonymous No.18286379]

>>18276517
Most artists are mentally disturbed and many are gay secretly

[Anonymous No.18286394]

>>18275511
Just picked up the sound of waves yesterday as my first Mishima. What am I in for?

[Anonymous No.18286509]

>>18285520
>closet
i said that because i wanna kiss you anon

[Anonymous No.18287256]

>>18276317
nigga have you read Confessions of A Mask? BAP has you all so brain-poisoned you fucking retards

[Anonymous No.18287313]

>>18286130
I swear this board along with /fit/ has gotten so much worse since they banned "that" subreddit full of trad larpers and "based" 14 years old

[Anonymous No.18287649]

>>18287313
Which one? I thought this place was Reddit since along time ago

[Anonymous No.18287714]

>>18286130
>>18287313
Why are you like this though? I personally don’t think it matters so much but it’s entirely possible he was bisexual, or even totally straight. Nobody actually knows conclusively and there’s no evidence one way or another so what difference does it make? The way I see it, you’re just tying to pull this “I’m better than you because I don’t post X” thing, which is equally if not more obnoxious.