English Literature Professor claims anime can't ever be great art

[Anonymous No.18255855]

[Anonymous No.18255866]

>>18255855
kek based. Does he have book?

[Anonymous No.18255874]

What about children's literature

[Anonymous No.18255887]

>>18255855
Honestly makes sense. But they're not saying anime can't be great, just that mainstream anime as it exists can't. They're right about that.

[Anonymous No.18255902]

>>18255855
t. hasn't seen angel's egg, belladonna of sadness, cat soup, kaiba, revolutionary girl utena

[Anonymous No.18255927]

>get banned every time you start this thread on /a/
>forced to resort to /lit/ to get your daily shitpost in
lmao weakling

[Anonymous No.18255935]

I don't know if this fits this board anyway, but getting into a medium war is pointless.
There are several great anime, as much as you'd like to jerk off literature. And it's a visual medium meaning obviously a literature professor (those who can't, teach) would be useless on the topic of artistic merit.

[Anonymous No.18255941]

>>18255935
great reply

[Anonymous No.18255949]

>>18255902
Kek this, Angels Egg has had an immense influence on the aesthetics of my writing though a single word was never spoken. The whole film is a moving painting. Dunno if it could be called anime other than being made in Japan as far as I’m concerned. A lot of what I derive from these things if anything is visual, even if the stories suck I can still get something out of the imagery to build my prose around.

[Anonymous No.18255954]

>>18255855
>ALL of anime only appeals to kids/teenagers
Garbage take, should immediately be discarded. This is like Ben Shapiro claiming that rap isn't music because there is no melody.

[Anonymous No.18255964]

>>18255855
Based and correct, seething manchildren will disagree
>>18255954
WtfI love Ben Shapiro now

[Anonymous No.18255967]

>>18255954
very accurate comparison

[Anonymous No.18255972]

>>18255964
>>18255902

[Anonymous No.18255977]

>>18255954
he isn't wrong.
unless you are implying that it also appeals to genetic dead-end manchildren, then i suppose you would be correct.

[Anonymous No.18255983]

>>18255954
>This is like Ben Shapiro claiming that rap isn't music because there is no melody.
He took that back, actually. It's not his current opinion.

[Anonymous No.18255986]

>>18255855
The truth is that only artwork of the extremes touches the true ontological nature of reality and not "mature works" that explore a large range of human concerns. In other words, children's books and horror are the only genres of fiction that touch good and evil in their pure concentrated forms.

Great artwork is usually not complex and explores one aspect very well, which can be either bliss/tranquility or malevolence/despair. Limiting the complexity of artwork is the only way to convey the light of God or the darkness of Ahriman.

Anyway, that is my working theory for now. For example, Calico Critters Mini Episodes are blessed by Ahura Mazda. Also, I am a prophet and am currently accepting disciples.

[Anonymous No.18255987]

>>18255972
Why would I watch children's cartoons?

[Anonymous No.18255993]

>>18255855
Must be an American professor.

[Anonymous No.18255994]

Nature has literally proven him wrong. Anime diverts the energy of the sun to production of abstract contemplative beauty, i.e. "great art."

[Anonymous No.18255997]

I'm just visualizing this thread a few hours from now, with dozens of people sperging out over an artform they have no experience in and basing their opinions on its complete surface-level appearance. Imagine thinking music is bad because all you've heard is imagine dragons

[Anonymous No.18255998]

>>18255983
Why is he such a faggot, walking back one of the few good things he's said

[Anonymous No.18256005]

>>18255983
Looking forward to this no-name professor taking back this take, too.
Jk I’m gonna forget about this in about an hour.

[Anonymous No.18256009]

>>18255997
Look I like Dragon ball but that doesn't change the fact that it's a kids' show and isn't art

[Anonymous No.18256011]

>>18255855
>anime tended to appeal exclusively to younger people (under 18)
I'm fairly sure the majority of the anime I watch is legally 18+.

[Anonymous No.18256019]

>>18255987
not a single one of those is directed at children, anon. but nice bait anyways

[Anonymous No.18256028]

>>18256009
Isn't dragonball derivative of classical Chinese literature? If it even gets one person to read a book it's worth more than some professor's butthurt tweet.

[Anonymous No.18256035]

>>18255855
Anyone who feels this way needs to watch Hyouka Episode 8-11. Granted it is an adaptation of a novel but the writing is sublime. Incredibly sharp and dense with the real mystery and villain hidden behind a fake mystery. Lots of amazing moments where they discuss the true nature of storytelling and how we interact with them differently. What appeals to one in the same story isn't what the other person cares about.
Give it a try. /lit/ will love it.

[Anonymous No.18256037]

>>18255987
>>18256019
>>18256009
You must be purified for you are tainted by false concepts such as art being more complex and "mature" makes it better. We need to lock you inside a cage and whip you as you read classic children's literature while priests chant hymns from their works. This is the only way you can experience the light of God.

[Anonymous No.18256060]

>>18256009
dragon ball isn't the good stuff, brother. try something made for adults. Belladonna of Sadness is excellent. Inspired by Japanese New Wave and pink film, it's a surreal work of watercolored erotica and tragedy. You won't see anything else like it.

[Anonymous No.18256074]

>>18256060
>try something made for adults.
You, likewise, need to be locked inside a cage and whipped as you are forced to read classic children's literature.
Watch this and purify yourself. This is what a good animation from Japan is like:
https://youtu.be/jlGK6QzQ-V4
I prefer the British dub over the American one.

[Anonymous No.18256083]

>>18256060
Just look at this beauty. It's even crazier knowing this is a frame of a work in motion.

[Anonymous No.18256095]

>>18256074
I'm a fan of some classic Japanese children's literature. Night on the Galactic Railroad is fantastic.

[Anonymous No.18256096]

>>18256028
Yeah Journey to the West. Nobody's going to read it because of DB though.
> If it even gets one person to read a book it's worth more than some professor's butthurt tweet.
Sounds like you're the butthurt fag lmao
>>18256060
Just because it has nudity and absurdism doesn't mean it's for adults, it just means it's for manchildren. It's the equivalent of what YA is to women that never grew up.
>>18256037
Okay retard

[Anonymous No.18256121]

>>18256096
>Okay retard
I am 100x more intelligent than you.

[Anonymous No.18256133]

>>18256121

[Anonymous No.18256141]

>>18256133

[Anonymous No.18256146]

>>18256096
"nudity and absurdism" lol. It was made back in the 70s (i.e. before Japan was degenerate) as an experimental work based on the 1812 book La Sorcerie. It wasn't made for commercial reasons, and bankrupted the company who funded it due to its inability to find a proper audience. It's completely in arthouse terrain, and manchildren don't typically enjoy arthouse.

[Anonymous No.18256174]

>>18255987
So you can have a decent argument? If you aren't trolling, then like anyone in the humanities you should know that there are heaps of popular trash diluting every form of art, surface level exposure to these forms will surely delude you to label the entire genre hopeless. If I could only listen to music on the radio from now on I'd hate it. If I could only ever watch cable TV I'd despise it. If I only could read YA fiction I'd probably kill myself. You seem to be judging all of anime based on fucking Naruto. Associating things with retarded manchildren is an easy way to discard anything. I'd put off reading Wilde specifically because I associated Dorian Gray with tumblr queers, big mistake.

[Anonymous No.18256199]

>>18256174
Haha, that's a cute dog. I recommend Lovely Muco!

[Anonymous No.18256199,1]

>>18256205
It reminds me of Jill Barklem's Brambly Hedge series. The issue is with your tastes in this regard.
>The animation is mediocre
The background art is incredible. The soft colors and exquisite natural backgrounds resembles Golden Age of Illustration works like Racey Helps.
>the writing is clearly directed at pre-elementary.
Good, then embody that state of mind to experience the sublime innocence and tranquility of the light.
>think and challenge them.
Being challenged isn't the function of most children's art. It's about conveying a primordial feelings of serenity.
> His films manage to be appealing to young kids while still having a lot of thematic depth,
I do like Miyazaki but not everything has to be like him. Totoro is my favorite work of his.
>"good vs. evil"
This the fundamental ground of existence. There is no unity or monism. In fact, there is a cosmic dualism.
>Hard to write stories like that.
Writing picture books or comics like Owly can be pretty tough too.