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Anonymous Fri May 14 21:25:12 2021 No.18244109 [Reply] [Original]

>"word".
>not "word."

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 21:26:05 2021 No.18244112 >>18244109 it's literally the same word

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 21:26:59 2021 No.18244118 >>18244109 True.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 21:27:05 2021 No.18244120 Ewww dude what the fuck?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 21:33:39 2021 No.18244145 >>18244109 The easiest way to tell if someone’s a midwit.

Anonymous Fri May 14 21:33:44 2021 No.18244147

>>18244109
I don't fucking get it anyways. It's just some dumb rule my eng teach back in highschool taught me and leave me with existential crisis during the writing of important papers. I don't even fucking know which it should be and I doubt it fucking matters. You and I both fucking know it's a god damn period.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 21:42:56 2021 No.18244182 >"a word." >"a word," >"a word"; >"a word": >"a word"-- >"a 'word'" just a little help for els

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 21:44:33 2021 No.18244190 >>18244182 i almost forgot >"a 'word'."

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 21:44:38 2021 No.18244191 >>18244109 I'm german. Could someone explain this post to me?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 21:44:49 2021 No.18244192 >>18244109 name a worse rule in the english language

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 21:45:14 2021 No.18244198 keep the punctuation inside the quotes, generally speaking

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 21:46:47 2021 No.18244205 >>18244191 ITT how not to get silently judged by the people in the know

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 21:47:24 2021 No.18244210 >>18244198 Only with American punctuation rules. American punctuation and spelling rules are gay and make no sense.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 21:50:21 2021 No.18244222 >>18244191 Hello fellow German. In American English, you write commas and periods inside the quotation marks. Britons, however, tend to place them outside, same as us.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 21:52:26 2021 No.18244231 >>18244210 Personally I like them better. Americans seem to favor aesthetics and convention over some fuzzy notion of logic in language.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 21:58:22 2021 No.18244276 >>18244210 I cannot fathom how non-americans get away with it. >"word". how do you write that and not think it looks gay and retarded?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 22:02:24 2021 No.18244292 Depends on the context of the quote.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 22:37:21 2021 No.18244414 >>18244109 >>18244276 >A sentence ending with this "word." How can anyone possibly think this looks good? The period belongs on the outside because it applies to the sentence not the word.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 22:38:41 2021 No.18244418 Does anyone else refuse to put a question mark inside quotation marks when you’re asking a question that ends with a quotation that isn’t itself a question?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 22:40:37 2021 No.18244427 >>18244414 The quote is the sentence.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 22:41:03 2021 No.18244431 >>18244418 That's UK and US standard, but they differ over which quotation marks to use.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 22:43:56 2021 No.18244444 ITT: massive quantities of autistic confusion and reeee

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 22:49:37 2021 No.18244460 >>18244427 A word is not a sentence, dumb nigger.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 22:52:43 2021 No.18244474 >>18244414 Because it looks better than the alternative. Putting the punctuation outside the quotes just looks retarded and is distracting as shit.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 22:53:10 2021 No.18244475 >>18244460 kys"."

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 22:54:45 2021 No.18244483 >>18244474 How? It's distracting as shit that the sentence ends with a quote instead of a period.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 23:17:47 2021 No.18244623 >>18244198 >>18244210 >>18244109 Keep punctuation of a quote and the punctuation of what you are writing separate. Because they ARE separate. Mixing them or excluding the quote's punctuation is not only informationally inferior but illogical and ugly.

Anonymous Fri May 14 23:50:46 2021 No.18244789

>>18244198
>>18244210
>>18244276
It's not American vs. British. Both are used everywhere there are Englishspeakers because style guides are defined by a given publisher, there is no real standard anywhere. The exact way quotes work and how strictly this is enforced varies hugely. Style guides are also regularly changed, so it's pointless to defer to them as if you were speaking about a fixed, authoritative standard. If you're writing something that's going to be published then it will be edited to given style guide regardless. The variation is so slight that it doesn't matter at all. A universal standard is probably bad for a style guide as a whole because different writings have different purposes. The only thing is that the quotation style OP espouses results in misquotation that in scientific and technical writing can be very bad. As a result, so-called logical quotation is recommended and adhered to by most American publications that fall under those as well. The other is most common in journalism and fiction (including British/Commonwealth).

>>	Anonymous Sat May 15 06:21:17 2021 No.18246136 >>18244109 i am aware of this convention but i ignore it because i don't like it.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 15 06:23:30 2021 No.18246141 File: 959 KB, 1329x1429, 1604564491557.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >"word.".

>>	Anonymous Sat May 15 06:24:05 2021 No.18246143 >>18244109 depends what word though. you retards are so infatuated with appearance

Anonymous Sat May 15 06:26:21 2021 No.18246156

>>18244414
>because it applies to the sentence not the word.
By that logic, this would be acceptable:
The man had said, "I do not want it.".

Because the periods apply to two seperate phrases. In reality, this just looks funky and retarded, irrational. This is why the period makes more sense simply inside the quotation, which terminates the quotation as well implicitly.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 15 06:28:59 2021 No.18246164 >>18246141 honestly based. if i start the sentence outside of quotation marks, append a quote to it that is itself a comple sentence and finish it there that is how i punctuate and no one can stop me. >as a wise man once said, "deal with it faggot.".

>>	Anonymous Sat May 15 06:31:15 2021 No.18246172 >>18246156 >The man had said, "I do not want it.". This is perfectly fine if it's important to the reader's understanding that the quote contains a period, which is incredibly rare.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 15 07:21:07 2021 No.18246296 >"word:'

>>	Anonymous Sat May 15 09:35:05 2021 No.18246711 >>18244222 >Britons, however, tend to place them outside, same as us. It seems they finally got their redemption.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 15 09:39:02 2021 No.18246719 File: 9 KB, 225x225, 1886756564.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18244109 >"word" >"word"

>>	Anonymous Sat May 15 09:56:34 2021 No.18246773 >>18244145 >The easiest way to tell if someone’s a midwit. Its how french is written.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 15 09:59:57 2021 No.18246791 >>18244182 What the fuck does it have to do with ESLs retard? I write British English.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 15 10:02:24 2021 No.18246798 >>18246773 Exactly

Anonymous Sat May 15 11:14:37 2021 No.18247067

>>18244109
You're irredeemably retarded. The inverted commas conceptually enclose the word only, not other elements of the period; on the other hand, the full stop always closes the period, it is and must be the last graphic symbol to end – and to establish the end – of the period.

If you write "word." – and if you are honest and consistent – you should also write as follows:
>John left his house in the morning (it was ten o'clock;) he went to visit his "girlfriend:" she had been sick from the night before (when, at the party, she "hit the bottle.") John brought her some Advil.

It's hard not to notice that this is an abomination.

.
,
;
:
are the primary punctuation marks and they form the structure of the sentence;

""
«»
()
– –
are secondary punctuation marks and they apply to words; they serve as containers of words or groups of words (which is why they are all double marks).

.
,
;
:
provide the form;

""
«»
()
– –
affect the content.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 15 11:34:37 2021 No.18247141 >>18244182 >"a word." >"a word," There truly is no hope for the US. I think nobody else does this except for burgers.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 15 11:42:37 2021 No.18247198 I've lost points on college essays for using the second example which I learned in highschool. The absolute state of American education.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 15 11:46:21 2021 No.18247219 "word.".

Anonymous Sat May 15 12:11:42 2021 No.18247359
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An excerpt:
It occurred to me that he frequently ended his sentences in the most informal of ways. He would say, for example, "I wish to exchange words and ideas, etc.," which to me is unacceptable (Imagine actually ending a sentence with something as horrid as "etc.".).

>>	Anonymous Sat May 15 12:24:30 2021 No.18247427 >>18247067 Language is conventional, the Chicago Manual of Style says to write like this. You're retarded for trying to apply "logical" principles to it.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 15 12:27:16 2021 No.18247446 >>18247427 I don't give a shit about the Chicago Manual of Style. The top-tier publishing houses of Europe use the style that I defend.

Anonymous Sat May 15 12:49:07 2021 No.18247577

I'm American and put the period outside the quotes when quoting only a word or short phrase because I always thought it was retarded that the quote would contain something you aren't actually quoting. I honestly had no idea that other places and languages also do that. If the quote is a full sentence I'll put the period inside the quotation marks though because it makes sense and looks better

>>	Anonymous Sat May 15 12:50:19 2021 No.18247586 >>18247446 well if the European Imams say so, it must be right

>>	Anonymous Sat May 15 12:57:29 2021 No.18247616 >>18244109 "word" is what's being quoted, not "word.".

Anonymous Sat May 15 12:59:31 2021 No.18247624

>>18247577
>I'll put the period inside the quotation marks though because it makes sense and looks better
It really doesn't, anon. The period always finishes the sentence. Something among quotes is inside the sentence, and not the other way around (something of the sentence inside the quotes).

Anonymous Sat May 15 13:05:20 2021 No.18247657

The worst part is that reviewers of writing will talk about how “there are some editing and grammatical mistakes in the work” when it’s just the fact that the apostrophe GOES BEFORE THE FUCKING PERIOD IF ITS NOT PART OF THE FUCKING QUOTE.
This is stupid
>He said “I love to suck cocks.” I believed him.
This is right
>he said “cocks are my favorite”. I believed him.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 15 13:07:19 2021 No.18247670 >>18247359 >"etc.".). genuinely funny

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