Who was the better writer: Borges or Kafka?

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Anonymous Thu May 13 18:05:49 2021 No.18236591 [Reply] [Original]

Who was the better writer: Borges or Kafka?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 13 18:07:32 2021 No.18236598 >>18236591 I prefer Borges

>>	Anonymous Thu May 13 18:09:11 2021 No.18236607 both were real Gs but it's Borges for me

>>	Anonymous Thu May 13 18:23:34 2021 No.18236663 >>18236591 Kafka. He wrote the Trial, the Castle, and a bunch of good short stories. Borges only wrote a bunch of good short stories.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 13 18:29:18 2021 No.18236693 You just know this kid has sex by agreeing with all the political views of the neurotic batshit women he’s with

>>	Anonymous Thu May 13 18:31:26 2021 No.18236711 >>18236693 >he >women

>>	Anonymous Thu May 13 18:36:40 2021 No.18236738 File: 402 KB, 1242x1443, 1582962085878.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Gibbons

>>	Anonymous Thu May 13 18:56:00 2021 No.18236836 >>18236693 What's wrong with that? Who doesn’t do that?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 13 19:01:14 2021 No.18236866 >>18236836 Me. I make sure to shame women as much as possible. I’m physically attractive so they just sit and take it

>>	Anonymous Thu May 13 19:05:16 2021 No.18236883 >>18236591 Borges

>>	Anonymous Thu May 13 19:08:26 2021 No.18236897 >>18236591 I like Kafka but in my mind Borges is on another level.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 13 19:12:56 2021 No.18236927 >>18236711 I don’t get this meme

>>	Anonymous Thu May 13 19:13:20 2021 No.18236930 >>18236591 kafka

Anonymous Thu May 13 19:15:53 2021 No.18236944

>>18236927
That's Terrance. He's an FtM that's been spamming acc threads here for half a decade. He finally got doxxed after posting that picture of himself. I, myself am confused by the memes verily, but I imagine it if fuled by anons jealously that Terrance gets mad pussy.

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>>	Anonymous Thu May 13 19:19:22 2021 No.18236960 >>18236944 you keep saying this but where’s the connection between this guy who posted his face once and some accelerationist Nick land fan

>>	Anonymous Thu May 13 19:21:33 2021 No.18236976 >>18236944 Terrance is a dog name lol

>>	Anonymous Thu May 13 19:23:05 2021 No.18236983 Borges has a lot of literary knowledge and he is more erudite

>>	Anonymous Thu May 13 19:23:53 2021 No.18236984 >>18236983 >erudite Yeah, he sure does know a lot about fucking your mother, who is a huge whore and totally gay, and Borges fucked her. Get wrekt, nerd.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 13 19:26:22 2021 No.18236995 >>18236663 That was a good attempt at being clever, anon. You were absolutely fucking wrong, but I appreciate the effort.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 13 19:28:29 2021 No.18237012 >>18236836 incels

>>	Anonymous Thu May 13 19:28:46 2021 No.18237014 >>18236591 Borges, he was a Writebender; Kafka was just another "good writer".

Anonymous Thu May 13 19:32:22 2021 No.18237032

>>18237014
This. I've seen that there is few people on this board who knows the technical levels of literature construction that Borges owned. Speaking about this precise subject, Borges was even superior than Eco, and comparing him to Kafka is just nonsensical.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 13 19:43:25 2021 No.18237098 >>18237032 >technical levels of literature construction that Borges owned thread link pls

>>	Anonymous Thu May 13 19:45:44 2021 No.18237114 File: 813 KB, 2100x1500, 1619455762588.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18236948

>>	Anonymous Thu May 13 19:46:33 2021 No.18237121 >>18236960 that's /lit/. Don't question procedures with no answer.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 13 19:46:53 2021 No.18237122 >>18236591 Unironically, what emotion is he trying to convey here? Vapid stupidity?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 13 19:50:18 2021 No.18237141 >>18237098 Start with "El aprendizaje del escritor".

>>	Anonymous Thu May 13 19:50:26 2021 No.18237143 >>18237122 you mean the pic? I thought it was a girl.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 13 20:43:03 2021 No.18237385 Borges is on another level.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 13 20:49:37 2021 No.18237411 File: 95 KB, 400x400, Mom.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18236948

>>	Anonymous Thu May 13 20:50:05 2021 No.18237414 File: 1.95 MB, 2320x3088, 849C27D9-D765-4E29-92A0-2F4E98356566.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18237143 Its a shop.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 13 20:51:53 2021 No.18237423 >>18236960 He posted his twitter while spamming acc threads.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 13 21:06:41 2021 No.18237500 >>18237423 whats his handle

>>	Anonymous Thu May 13 22:13:27 2021 No.18237827 >>18236591 Borges

>>	Anonymous Thu May 13 22:14:45 2021 No.18237831 >>18236983 >literary knowledge and he is more erudite This is not why he is better at all.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 13 22:16:21 2021 No.18237836 >>18236591 Kafka was a jew and Borges wrote a Nazi apologetic. Which do you think /lit/ prefers?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 13 22:16:46 2021 No.18237839 >>18236591 Borges was a much better writer.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 13 22:17:24 2021 No.18237843 Gogol

>>	Anonymous Thu May 13 22:21:14 2021 No.18237857 >>18237114 kek I love accfag.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 13 23:45:53 2021 No.18238337 >>18236591 Kafka by far. Borges' fiction is basically "woah cool puzzles."

Anonymous Fri May 14 00:13:14 2021 No.18238440

It sucks. I wish i liked borges so much more than i actually do, so when i read him it's that much more frustrating. I also love the postmodern writers he influences, but still his writing does absolutely nothing for me.
The aleph just wasn't good. Wasn't evocative, wasn't interesting philosophically or thematically, no compelling characters in any of the stories, the plots werent good, and the ideas werent there. I liked universal history of iniquity and garden of forking paths/fictions better but found myself underwhelmed at both.

Kafka was far better philosophically/thematically, structurally, stronger emotional cores to his books, idk about prose because i read both in translation, while borges is completely emotionless, terrible characters, thin/circular/predictable plots, rarely great ideas (but when they work they work so well).
Borges does nothing for me in any way, which makes it even more frustrating to read given so many people i respect love him. All the postmodernists he inspired are fascinating and more evocative to me.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 01:43:07 2021 No.18238753 >>18238337 >>18238440 >I got filtered: the posts

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 01:46:01 2021 No.18238760 >>18236591 Damn she cute

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 01:51:01 2021 No.18238776 >>18237411 KEK'D

Anonymous Fri May 14 02:15:43 2021 No.18238850

>>18238440
>The aleph just wasn't good. Wasn't evocative, wasn't interesting philosophically or thematically, no compelling characters in any of the stories, the plots werent good, and the ideas werent there.
You either didn't read it or are too much of a retard.
>not interesting philosophically; ideas weren't there
This is objectively wrong.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 02:17:12 2021 No.18238859 >>18238440 >All the postmodernists he inspired are fascinating and more evocative to me. You are an immense poser. Those postmodernists suck ass and took very little from Borges. Know what you are talking about, you retard.

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>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 02:24:14 2021 No.18238879 >>18238440 Really really new newfag.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 02:57:55 2021 No.18238979 >>18236663 Borges actually was a very accomplished poet and a god tier essayist, but most retarded anglos don't even know about them.

Anonymous Fri May 14 03:08:34 2021 No.18239012

>>18236591
What's the comparison? They are nothing alike, but I'll humor you.
The only thing the both wrote were short stories. Borges never wrote a novel, Kafka never wrote poetry or literary essays. In the short story department, Borges is clearly superior, he was a master at it and one of the all time great short story writers. Most Kafka's short stories are half-baked (like most everything that he wrote), though he has some good ones.
All of Kafka's novels are great, but only one is actually finished. Borges wrote several books of poetry, short prose pieces and essays, a lot of which is good or great.
So all in all, I would say Borges wins since he is superior on equal ground, excelled in more areas than Kafka, and actually finished his works.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 03:11:11 2021 No.18239028 >>18236591 >M-muh clever concept poorly executed They were both incel shut-in brainlets with too short attention spans to ever complete anything but short stories

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 04:30:29 2021 No.18239297 >>18239012 >They are nothing alike The Kafka story The Great Wall of China is more or less Borges anticipated, Gracchus the Hunter is also very Borgesian. The main reason people bring it up though is because JLB cited Kafka as an influence.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 04:36:42 2021 No.18239330 >>18236591 Kafka for sure. He understood the hilarious absurdity of being alive. And expressed it perfectly. Borges just needlessly mystify bullshit and faggots who read him think of themselves and him as genius due to the subtlety.

>>	Redberry pie c: Fri May 14 04:39:13 2021 No.18239339 File: 28 KB, 243x342, borgesbio1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Borges. Of course, even if I'm not a big fan, He deserves de honor.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 06:08:29 2021 No.18239650 >>18236693 tourist here, thats a dude? wew

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 07:58:23 2021 No.18240039 Kafka. He is one of the pillars of modern literature and way more inovative than Borges. (Borges is very good though)

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 10:23:10 2021 No.18240655 >>18238753 >>18238850 >>18238859 >>18238879 Seethe and lick my shit faggots, god forbid somebody chinchecks the pseud king

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 10:27:53 2021 No.18240676 >>18240039 >He is one of the pillars of modern literature Not really

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 10:41:18 2021 No.18240723 >>18240655 >chincheck Lmao. More like shin punch like a fucking toddler.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 10:42:06 2021 No.18240728 >>18236591 Cum tribute when?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 10:57:03 2021 No.18240802 File: 109 KB, 1080x1080, 9A3AEA2E-024B-4623-BE2B-0788AE5261D0.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18240728 Why don’t you do it faggot?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 11:06:17 2021 No.18240838 >>18238979 They don't know about them because they're trash. How do i know this? Because i don't know about them. Get owned, spic.

Anonymous Fri May 14 12:00:51 2021 No.18241096

>>18238979
THIS
I think some people who only read his short stories fail to understand the depth and reasoning behind all of his ideas and references, because they haven't read his other works. After you read his poems and essays it all comes full circle. He talks about the same things in different ways.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 12:03:07 2021 No.18241107 >>18236591 Borges much better stylist. Kafka much better idea man.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 12:28:03 2021 No.18241240 >>18241107 Borges better at both.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 13:13:08 2021 No.18241551 >>18241107 >Kafka much better idea man. Absolutely not

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 15:58:54 2021 No.18242458 >>18240838 you are just ignorant, it has nothing to do with the quality of the books

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 15:59:56 2021 No.18242465 >>18241107 actually it's the other way around

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 16:00:58 2021 No.18242471 >>18240039 >He is one of the pillars of modern literature uh so is Borges, anon

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 16:12:43 2021 No.18242521 >>18236591 Borges would say Kafka, so Borges

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 16:14:35 2021 No.18242532 >>18242521 Kafka thought his own work was trash, so Kafka

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 16:21:38 2021 No.18242562 Borges

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 16:23:08 2021 No.18242570 >>18242532 so did borges lol

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 16:42:51 2021 No.18242648 >>18242570 interesting, they are more similar than I initially thought

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 16:48:03 2021 No.18242673 >>18240723 Lmao eat my ass

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 16:51:13 2021 No.18242690 >>18242648 Jokes aside, they are. Both of them wrote about the confussing nature of their worlds, and both of them loved using non-sensical gimmicks in their tale's environments

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 17:04:36 2021 No.18242754 >>18236591 Kafka

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 17:07:42 2021 No.18242776 >>18242521 This is the true answer at the end of the day

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 17:10:08 2021 No.18242784 >>18236591 I've never read Kafka, where should I start?

Anonymous Fri May 14 17:12:41 2021 No.18242798

>>18242690
Yeah you can find lots of similiarities between the two. It's useless dicussing who's best. They didn't even write in the same language. I assume most people here haven't read them in their original languages, not even one of them. I have done that and i would go with Borges

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 17:13:27 2021 No.18242805 Easy, Kafka. Borges only seduces low iq pseuds who melt down at the sight of shitty thought experiments.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 17:15:04 2021 No.18242814 >>18236591 Borges, not even close. Talking about Borges using english feels wrong, like painting a portrait of him using shit.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 17:15:07 2021 No.18242815 Kafka is on the level of Proust, Nabokov, Celine, whereas Borges is on the level of your local stoner who goes "whoa imagine if there was a city...where everyone is one eyed what would happen lol"

Anonymous Fri May 14 17:22:56 2021 No.18242847

Kafka was the better writer formally speaking, but Borges had some more imaginative ideas. All of Kafka's stories have the same basic premise, "man how alienating would it it be if everything was like a dull desk job ?" While he did a lot with that basic premise Borges was more inventive in terms of the number of gimmicks he framed his stories on. Except he was a less artful writer.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 17:23:51 2021 No.18242851 >>18242805 >>18242815 This is the problem with Borges: retards think they understand his work in full at first glance. I blame the beauty of his prose.

Anonymous Fri May 14 17:33:03 2021 No.18242896

>>18242851
it's probably anglos who have only read a translation of Ficciones because that's the one on the top 100. I also suspect it's because he is Latin American and they feel uncomfortable equating him to european and american writers. I do agree on the last point though. Borges is above most western writers.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 17:38:41 2021 No.18242923 >>18237836 but kafka hated jews while borges didn't

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 18:43:27 2021 No.18243362 >>18240802 Aaaaahhh what is that?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 21:21:31 2021 No.18244096 >>18242814 Borges himself said that English was more beautiful than Spanish and it was unfortunate he wasn't a native speaker.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 21:22:56 2021 No.18244103 >>18242896 Also, Ficciones is like his 4th best collections.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 21:30:38 2021 No.18244134 >>18236591 Didn't JLB just ape shit from Macedonio Fernandez?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 15 03:16:19 2021 No.18245539 >>18244096 what does that have to do with anyhting? he also said that spanish was his destiny and he wrote in that language beautifully. Borges had many idiosnyncratic opinions and also a good degree of self-loathing.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 15 03:17:47 2021 No.18245543 >>18242784 metamorphosis and his more famous short stories (hunger artist, in the penal colony) Or you can just start with The Trial

>>	Anonymous Sat May 15 03:20:21 2021 No.18245551 >>18244096 Borges was a natural contrarian, English is famously considered an ugly language by coping ESLs.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 15 03:21:54 2021 No.18245560 >>18237411 Lmao

>>	Anonymous Sat May 15 03:22:18 2021 No.18245562 >>18242570 Borges did publish a lot, so he can't have hated his own work that much. I think he was just very humble and self-deprecating but nowhere near the level of self-hate as neurotic Kafka

>>	Anonymous Sat May 15 04:05:59 2021 No.18245698 >>18237411 Based and checked

>>	Anonymous Sat May 15 04:14:54 2021 No.18245728 >>18237114 Seriously wonder if he's killed himself yet.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 15 04:17:27 2021 No.18245736 >>18236591 Dino Buzzati

>>	Anonymous Sat May 15 04:43:19 2021 No.18245829 >>18240676 >t. knows literally nothing about contemporary literature

Anonymous Sat May 15 04:49:01 2021 No.18245847

>>18245736
Buzzati is great but he owes too much to Kafka to be considered better than him. His best known work borrows heavily from Kafka and his fables also follow the same tradition and themes.
Buzzati's best work, I think is where he strays towards more magical story-telling, and writes in the vein of Dunsany and Borges, like in the story about the city in the Desert or the one about the saint.
I also noticed that there's a popular animated story about a dragon which is just a Buzzati rip-off but he gets none of the credit.

Anonymous Sat May 15 08:22:47 2021 No.18246459
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Bros,

why did analysis of The Gospel According to Mark from Borges include that he slept with the daughter. I can't read anything about that in the story. Is that supposed to be from the actual gospel?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 15 08:30:23 2021 No.18246482 >>18245728 One can only hope

>>	Anonymous Sat May 15 08:30:45 2021 No.18246484 >>18236591 Where should I start with Borges? Or is there any required reading for him? I'm not well read, so I can't get too many historical or literary or whatever references he may use.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 15 13:07:46 2021 No.18247674 >>18246484 You'll be fine. Pick up any collection really; most would recommend Ficciones but reading short story writers in chronological is more rewarding. So, Universal history of iniquity.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 15 13:12:21 2021 No.18247698 >>18244103 being contrarian doesn't make you interesting or intelligent, anon

>>	Anonymous Sat May 15 13:15:48 2021 No.18247719 >>18242851 >>18242896 grow up guys, I love borges but you absolutely can understand his stories on one read

>>	Anonymous Sat May 15 13:26:00 2021 No.18247783 >>18247719 well thanks for proving my point

>>	Anonymous Sat May 15 13:34:20 2021 No.18247827 >>18247783 Thank you for outing yourself as a retard with shitty reading comprehension

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