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I hate it. I hate this stupid fucking series so much. I read it as a kid, but I'm 30 goddamn years old and women my age, and a few cucked men still cite this as their favorite book series. The universe is poorly constructed, is full of plot holes, over time tries to develop some edge, but since the characters are so shallow it just comes off as wannabe grimdark bullshit. It's concepts of good and evil are almost as banal and child-like as any Marvel Movie. The prose is garbage and elementary with the rare occasion where JK must have picked up a thesaurus. It takes a hack at time travel that is completely world breaking and is never addressed, etc. etc. Why is it still so popular? Why does it refuse to just go away and join the other mildly-entertaining-but-of-no-real-consequence YA books in the Scholastic Book fair? Why is this junk food of literature so engrained in the cultural zeitgeist that adults put their 'Hogwarts House' in their fucking dating profiles and there's still a huge display of the related Chinese-made baubles sitting in my Barnes and Noble that I have to look at every time I walk through the door? I hate it, I hate it, I hate it.

>> No.18177146

>>18177096
It was literally the perfect storm. It defined a generation's first contact with real reading, and (along with the movies) lasted long enough to move with Millienials/zoomers from childhood into their teenage years and young adulthood. I doubt we'll see any book franchise as popular as it ever again.

>> No.18177174

>>18177096
>I hate it, I hate it, I hate it.
christ

>> No.18177527

>>18177096
It’s literally for kids, retard. It’s not the books fault that adults still cling to it. For what it’s worth, it defined a lot of my childhood and although I recognize it’s faults, I still enjoy the nostalgia and whimsy of it. The last two books are fairly shit though, you’re right about the wannabe edginess

>> No.18177542

>>18177096
cringe

>> No.18177561

>>18177096
Isn't it just a reheated microwave meal of whatever Gaiman borrowed from T. H. White with muggles (a word nicked Stouffer)?

>> No.18177731

>>18177096
If it makes you feel better the majority of people really only care about the movies and didn't read or read it when they were children.

>> No.18177740

>>18177146
Elorborate. Why and how did it become so popular at that time?

>> No.18177760

The first few books are decent for what they are. They are fun and comfy books for kids. I think the worldbuilding of hogwarts etc is quite effective. Its combination of comfiness and mystery underpins the success of the series. The later books kind of go off the rails, which was inevitable given the popularity of the series. Rowling was under pressure from many different directions and she was pretty inexperienced. The movies are just standard hollywood shlock. They are well-produced and well-cast, and couldn't fail to be successful.

>> No.18177761

Ahhhh fuck i'm tearing my hear out i hate harry pooter soooo muuch. I just heit how the world building its so shit! your mons pussy has better world building than my big herry potter. Nooo i'm going insane from how much i hate this. Why are people liking this? Why are they not reading The Iliad or Thukydides or Plato?!!!! God i wish i was dad because all of the embacile manchildren still thing Hary Poter is a good book while the pacing is just so bad and boring and the plot holes are immensely unfilled and gaping wide wet. I heit it heit I heit it!!! And dont even get me garted on our Culturel Zaitgaist nooo i cant believe it how stupid our culturel zatigaist is i'm eating my fingernails into perfect shaep from enger!! i haet it how our culturel zaitgaist is just about puting your Hoghwarts Haus in the Tinder Profile oh my good how dare you i swiped left you primetiv embicile!!!! Dont put Harry Pooter in your Tweeta profile!!!! JUST DONT ARGH!!!. This buhk is just MILDLEY ENTETEINING LEIK AL THEE ATHA YA BUHKS But id in the Buhkfair NOW But id in the buhkfair!! I'm screeching and threshing the doktors ruhm like Klaas Kinski noooooooo. Stop Herry Potha!!!! Get hery Pohta out of my BaRnes and Nobals. Dont let him inside their unless i am not theeir!

>> No.18177770

>>18177740
the first book was actually pretty good for a kids book, and I say that as someone who loathes postmodern takes on fantasy
the American release had the full weight of Scholastic behind it and they massively promoted it at their book fairs which literally every elementary school in America had once a year
each subsequent release came out in a way that the characters' ages approximately matched the age of the first gen of fans, Rowling also did a half decent job of aging up the reading level of each book, so the fans got more attached to it because the series effectively "grew up" with them
it's totally fine to be a casual fan or have nostalgia over something that made your childhood better (the way people do over Narnia or Tolkien) but it's fucking ridiculous how many 30-something chicks still insist it's the greatest book series ever

>> No.18177777

>>18177096
>The universe is poorly constructed, is full of plot holes,
Hate harry potter all you want, but this is a retarded criticism .

>> No.18177786

>>18177096
Loving Harry Potter as a kid and even into my mid-teens (YIKES) is one of the most cringe inducing things of my life. Reading actual good books later on was a revelation and showed me how shitty this series is

>> No.18177799

>>18177777
It's a perfectly valid and 100% correct criticism and you wasted your get you dumb faggot

>> No.18177812

>>18177799
Cope.

>> No.18177815

>>18177786
>cringe
>YIKES
You didnt make much progress since then, retard.

>> No.18177833

>>18177096
at the end of the day its fun and got kids reading books
sorry the most popular kids book in america isnt ‘infinite jest’ but most readers (women) wanna be entertained not enlightened

>> No.18177847

>>18177770
based and unbiased.

>> No.18177860

>>18177096
That's because they haven't read anything since or if they did it was the Hunger Games.

>> No.18177869

>>18177770
This, but also the success of the movies really helped drive it. The books are also very long, but very readable at young ages so they were a lot of kids first big reads. They’re also imaginative and enjoyable (at least the first three)

>> No.18177890

>>18177869
Meh, they had big print so they weren't really that long. For me, it's Percy Jackson.

>> No.18178026

>>18177890
Never read Percy Jackson. I learned Greek mythology in school and thought it was a bastardization even back then. My friends almost convinced me to read it, but I watched the movie and it completely put me off them

>> No.18178051

>>18178026
The movie was a bastardization itself as I remember. But anyway, back when I read it in middle school it was interesting. I never really tried to take it as a lesson though and I didn't know enough to complain.

>> No.18178092

>>18177096
For a lot of people it was their introduction to books, and they value that a lot over the actual quality. They're fine for their age group.
Jesus anon let people enjoy things

>> No.18178103

>>18177096
>Dating profile
>everyone else is vapid coomers tho..

>> No.18178104

>>18177869
Honestly the later books are enjoyable whenever the subject isn't stupid romance drama.

>> No.18178105
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>>18177096
It's not stupid, you just got filtered hard. Did you read Complete works of Giordano Bruno, The Corpus Hermeticum and Three Books of Occult Philosophy by Agrippa like we told you BEFORE jumping into HP?

>> No.18178186

I love HP only because JKR is a based terf goddess and trannies can die mad about it.

>> No.18178211

>>18177815
Seethe dumb faggot

>> No.18178250

>>18178104
The fourth and fifth are really fun brain candy and the length of them works, but the sixth and seventh are both too self-serious for the universe Rowling created

>> No.18178259

>30 years old
>seethes about children’s literature on a weeaboo imageboard
But it’s not you who’s cucked, it’s those other guys.

>> No.18178273

>>18178250
HBP is too serious? They’re just running around Hogwarts getting into trouble like the good old days; I felt like it was a final reversion to the fun classic formula before she ended the series.

>> No.18178314

>>18178273
I disagree although I see your point. The sixth book tried very hard to press the point that the world outside hogwarts was becoming dark and mysterious under Voldemort’s influence and the stakes were getting higher. I really loved the Tom riddle origin story but most of the rest of the book was meh. Maybe I was just getting sick of HP at that point in my last read through

>> No.18178396

>>18177096
the first couple books had a neato magical world. i remember as a kid how cool those random flavor jelly beans were and jumping chocolate frogs. i dont think any other fantasy had such details that really brings such wonder to a world of magic. not to mention the fact that the world was hidden within the real world, and not that the whole world was in a fantasy setting.

>> No.18178403

>>18177096
It's about a genetic race of superhumans taking their rightful place

>> No.18178411

>never read the books
>never really watched the movies except for bits and pieces when they were shown on TV
>only contact with Harry Potter was the jrpg masterpiece that was the Prisoner of Azkaban for Gameboy Advance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v27H0t490zk

>> No.18178504

>>18177096
Ravenclaw here

>> No.18178591

Eh what's so bad about it? Let people have fun elitist nigger

>> No.18179115

Harry Potter was dreck written by a welfare queen cunt but the boy wizard theme was put to better use by better writers like Akamatsu

>> No.18179142

>>18178411
The movies are fun, especially the first few.

>> No.18179378

>>18177777
wasted gets

>> No.18179580

>>18177096
It's entertaining, what more do you want from a book?

>> No.18179621

>>18177777
based, fucking cinemasins faggots shitting up this board

>> No.18179627

>>18177799
anyone who complains about a world being poorly constructed or plot holes is a Redditor who should be auto banned on sight

>> No.18179719

>>18177761
Someone Vocaroo this

>> No.18179729

>>18177096
Very brainlet take. People like HP because of the characters and because of the evocative world of magic the story plays out in.
Hating HP is a sign of not understanding the purpose of writing. It's a book series for YA and children and stimulates the imagination.
Anyone here would be blessed to have the same capacity for creativity as Rowling.

>> No.18179733

I think it was just nice escapism? I liked it a lot as a child. Same as any fantasy novel.

>> No.18179952

>>18177096
the first guys reply summed up how the books got popular pretty well, just wanted to say all of your criticisms dont matter at all to people that casually read the books when they were in middle school or highschool and who haven't interacted with them or any other book in the past 20 years. You're hyperanalyzing a series that was meant for kids who just want to read about magical shit.

>> No.18180007

>>18179627
Harry Potter sucks and you're a retard

>> No.18180041

>>18177146

>> It defined a generation's first contact with real reading

This. They're entry level shit and you shouldn't go off the rails too hard OP. The people still cooming to Harry are stagnant retards, see it as a moron filter

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18180067

escapism

>> No.18180089

>>18178411
>he didn't play the errand simulator that was order of the phoenix on the psp

>> No.18180093

>>18180089
>psp
I am not a zoomer

>> No.18180098

FMK: the giant retard, the old ass retard, and that little fucking goblin thing

>> No.18181276

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Nq10MRKxvI

>> No.18181282

>>18177527
>retard
>I still enjoy the nostalgia and whimsy
Oh boy

>> No.18181379

>>18177761
Thank you for your time and effort.

>> No.18181389

>>18177777
this, some babby straight from /a/

>> No.18181878

>>18177096
>leg stretching intensifies

>> No.18182051

>>18177096
Cool it man, it's just a kid's book. Nobody I know would ever cite HP as a favorite, surround yourself with better people.

>> No.18182081

>>18181282
What specifically is wrong with having a place in your heart for your childhood joys as long as you are functioning adult with adult pursuits and interests? I’m not talking about funkopop collecting, marvel guzzling, online quiz taking “hufflepuffs,” I still hold Harry Potter in the same place as the hobbit or narnia. A series that was import in my childhood and I’ll always have fond memories of.

>> No.18182094

>>18182081
The Hobbit is leaps and bounds beyond Harry Potter

>> No.18182131
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>>18177096
It's not terrible as children's genre fiction literature. There's some better children's genre fiction literature, C.S. Lewis and Lewis Carroll and J.R.R. Tolkien and Roald Dahl and even Lemony Snicket are better. But there's also a lot which I think is worse even if popular, and a whole lot which is even worse still. But to identify Harry Potter as one's favorite book series after adolescence is frankly sad. I think the problem is that a lot of these people you're talking about never read and never cared to read anything else. Perhaps the main good thing Harry Potter did for mankind was get kids to read again after it was going out of style. It's again gone out of style. Some people did develop a taste for reading thanks to it. Most unfortunately didn't and thus, that's all they ever read.

>> No.18182146

>>18177096
I've always thought it's weird that schoolchildren took up their time fantasizing about being (magic) schoolchildren

>> No.18182155

I bet you haven't even read Moby Dick, faggot. Seriously, getting triggered by Harry fucking Potter of all things. It's a children/YA book series.

Just kill yourself.

>> No.18182156

>>18182146
It's familiar enough to be relatable but different enough to be interesting. Really it's the perfect formula for a children's book

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18182177

I used to read hermione as Hermoninny for years. I didn’t realize until the movies that I had been thinking it wrong in my head for the entire series.

>> No.18182244

>>18177096
Hear hear

>> No.18182254

>>18177096
Michael Ende's The Neverending Story is better.
Harry Potter feels Americanized even though it's British. It's quite a shame.

>> No.18182301

>>18182254
In what way does it feel Americanized? I never got that impression.

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>>18177096
You may be slightly wrong in your take but God damn I know what you feel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlvSAQS37qg

>> No.18182472

Normal people older than 20 dont care about harry potter one way or the other

>> No.18182498

>>18182094
It is, but both hold a place in the canon of my, and many other peoples childhoods

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18182526

Go on lads, go on.

>> No.18182560

>>18182526
Rolling

>> No.18182582

>>18177740
Don't forget that the rise of Harry Potter in pop-culture didn't just have to do with its accessibility in terms of reading material or its tie-in movies; the pop-internet was just coming out of infancy around that time. Kids were still reading books, or at least had less to distract them, than they do now.

Plus, as Harry Potter grew, so did the internet, which made it a perfect vehicle for nascent online communities and forums. That series probably shaped an entire broad sub-culture of how people approach and make fandoms.