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[Anonymous No.18150543]

>What language(s) are you learning?
>Share language learning experiences!
>Ask questions about your target language!
>Help people who want to learn a new language!
>Participate in translation challenges or make your own!
>Discuss what books you want to read in your target language and why!
>Discuss the literature of different languages!
>Make frens!

Some resources (shamelessly stolen from /int/)
Read this shit some damn time:
https://4chanint.fandom.com/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_Wiki

Totally not a virus, but rather, lots of free books on languages:
https://mega.nz/#F!x4VG3DRL!lqecF4q2ywojGLE0O8cu4A

Lots of books on linguistics of various kinds, as well as language courses:
https://mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ

Check this pastebin for plenty of language resources as well as some nice image guides:
https://pastebin.com/ACEmVqua (embed)

Torrents with more resources than you'll ever need for 30 plus languages:
https://yuki.la/t/796928

List of trackers for most language learning packs:
https://files.catbox.moe/nmrn8x.txt

Ukrainianon's list of commercial courses from rutracker.org:
https://pastebin.com/3EWMhSPN (embed)

Russianon's list of comprehensible input resources:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec

[Anonymous No.18150547]

Challenge
>Easy
I go to the store.
I drink coffee in the morning.
Can I have a menu?
>Medium
Will you be at the festival this Friday evening?
I went to a party last night and I feel horrible.
I should've been there, but I was busy studying for my final exam.
>Hard
Describe your morning routine.
You're at a fancy restaurant, order something nice for yourself & talk to the waiter.
Give a weather forecast.
Create sentences using new vocab you've been learning.

[Anonymous No.18150794]

>>>/int/144049266
/int/ sister thread

[Anonymous No.18150996]

FIRST FOR LATIN

LEARN LATIN BROS

[Anonymous No.18151002]

>>18150996
based, how would you recommend going about it?

[Anonymous No.18151125]

I want to lern Dutch

[Anonymous No.18151131]

Anyone here know Elvish?

[Anonymous No.18151135]

>>18151131
I know the Elvish word for fren

[Anonymous No.18151146]

>>18151135

[Anonymous No.18151156]

Do Italians and French people use the same cursive alphabet that most English speakers use?

[Anonymous No.18151165]

>>18150543
I'm semi fluent in French. Next going to try Latin and after Spanish or Italian.

>>18151156
Same alphabet but different phonetics. E, I, U and some other sounds that don't have equivalents in English.

[Anonymous No.18151182]

>>18151165
I figured that. I was just asking because some languages have their own styles of writing cursive. German has (or had) Sütterlin, for example.

[Anonymous No.18151237]

>>18151182
It's a good question. This mind sound stupid but I realize other languags have accents for foreign speakers. I'm so conditioned to think of English accents that I forget other languages have a diverse range of accents.

Also some languages such as French are actually more literary beautiful to write in. Not saying English is inferior btw, just French has extra stuff you can do with it. Beckett wrote in French over English which I find interesting.

[Anonymous No.18151254]

>tfw struggle more with easy chinese characters than the difficult ones

[Anonymous No.18151279]

>>18150543
>>What language(s) are you learning?
Korean
>>Ask questions about your target language!
Anyone got any book recommendations for Korean? I really need to get into more immersion and not just vocabulary and grammar rules.

[Anonymous No.18151288]

>>18150547
>Einfach
Ich gehe zum Laden.
Ich trinke Kaffee.
Kann ich die Speisekarte haben?
>Mittel
Wirst du auf dem Festival Friday Abend sein?
Ich hätte da sein sollte, aber ich war beschäftigt für Abschlussprüfung studieren.
>Schwer
Wie jemand anderes stehe ich auf, geh aufs Klo und dann ziehe mich an.
Ich hätte gern der Hummer bitte. Können sie mir was ich mit trinken Sonne empfehlen?
Nein.
Die Erleichterungen waren von heute um 18.00 gekündigt. So kündigt Premier des Staates Westaustraliens heute an.

[Anonymous No.18151294]

>>18151288
Typo, should be trinken sollte

[Anonymous No.18151307]

I’m watching vtubers to learn a new language.

[Anonymous No.18151517]

>>18150547
도전
>쉬운
나 가게에 가요
나는 아침에 커피를 마셔요
메뉴 주세요
>중간
금요일 저녁 축제에 있을 거예요?
지난밤 파티에 갔는데 아파요
그곳에 가야 되었다 그런데 시험 공부 바빴어요
>어렵다
지금 너무 늦은 그러니까 자야 되요

[Anonymous No.18152054]

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[Anonymous No.18152066]

>the stage where only vocab matters

[Anonymous No.18152069]

I'm starting to get lazy...

GIVE ME YOUR POWER /LANG/

[Anonymous No.18152086]

>>18151307
give your dick a break and start repping anki sets

[Anonymous No.18152130]

>>18152066
Which stage is that?

[Anonymous No.18152184]

I want to learn spanish but I need someone to speak it with

[Anonymous No.18152200]

>>18152130
after you understand and most grammatical structures

[Anonymous No.18152589]

>>18152069
AAAAAAA

[Anonymous No.18152703]

>>18152086
why not both?

[Anonymous No.18153107]

>>18151517
damn cuneiform looks different to how I remember it

[Anonymous No.18153456]

>>18150543
How do you guys choose a language to learn? There are a handful of cultures I truly love but I can’t pick one language to learn first.

[Anonymous No.18153587]

>>18150547
>Easy
私はコンビニへ行きます
朝でコーヒーを飲みます
メニューください!
>Medium
金曜日の夜祭りへ行くのか?
前夜パーティーへ行った、今は気持ちが悪いよ
あそこで行かならなかった、でも最後の事件のため勉強したから、忙しかった

Can't really do the advanced ones yet, and I can tell my grammar is absolute unnatural even for the intermediary ones. Like I would probably sound like some weird google translator robot to a japanese person, but honestly they would probably understand what I meant and I'd be able to communicate something, which is a step in the right direction. I speak 4 other languages but Japanese is the furthest I've been from my linguistic family and it shows so clearly. Very humbling experience.

[Anonymous No.18153791]

>graduated college years ago
>look up russian department
>its head is some guy from taiwan, a literary scholar fluent in english, russian, mandarin, polish, and german
damn bros. wish i had given russian a shot when i was a freshman years ago. imagine having a fraction of his power level. i guess it's n-never too late haha...

[Anonymous No.18153803]

I saw some Michel Thomas Courses on twirpx. Is that a safe site? Will I get in trouble with an ISP for using it?

[Anonymous No.18154395]

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[Anonymous No.18155558]

>>18154395
based

[Zeus No.18155970]

>>18153587
>メニューください!
This one need a を
メニューをください!

[Anonymous No.18156847]

I'm learning German. Recently got some ebooks and have been reading them on Kindle. Doing this with a German dictionary installed has turned out to be a great way to get input. Would recommend

[Anonymous No.18157219]

>>18150996
just because i rec something doesnt mean i know a lot about it
such is life

[Anonymous No.18157563]

>>18153803
>Will I get in trouble with an ISP for using it?
what country you in?

[Anonymous No.18157739]

>>18157563
USA

[Anonymous No.18158214]

>>18150547
No first-person pronouns because there's no need. Thank you based Japanese.
>簡単
お店に行く
朝で珈琲を飲む
メニューをお願いします
>中級
今週の金曜日の祭りに行くつもりの?
昨夜はパーティーに行ったのせいで元気なくなっちゃった
行きたかったけど期末テストのために勉強していた
>上級
朝のルーチンってどんな感じ?
せっかくの豪奢なレストランだから好きなものを注文してウエイターさんと話してね
天気予報を
新しく覚えた単語で新たな文章を作ってみてよ

[Anonymous No.18158262]

>>18153791
Its never to late Anon. Doesn't matter how slow you go, long as you keep going.

[Anonymous No.18158300]

>>18150547
Ich gehe der Supermarkt.
Ich trinke Kaffee am Morgen.
Ich kann ein Menu haben?

[Anonymous No.18158404]

>>18158300
>Ich gehe der Supermarkt.
Ich gehe in den Supermarkt/Ich gehe zum Supermarkt.
>Ich kann ein Menu haben?
eine Speisekarte

[Anonymous No.18158416]

>>18158300
>>18158404
>Ich kann ein Menu haben?
Also the order of words is different for questions:
Kann ich die Speisekarte haben?

[Anonymous No.18158556]

>>18158300
Supermarkt isn't quite the same as 'store'. Generic store is Laden.

Kann ich eine Speisekarte haben?

[Anonymous No.18159233]

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[Anonymous No.18159924]

>>18150543
why do so many people learn jap, is it all weebs?

[Anonymous No.18160541]

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[Anonymous No.18160566]

>>18159924
they are Oriental scholars who dabble in the metaphysical aspects of hentai

[Anonymous No.18160657]

for italian (and maybe romance in general) speakers, how would you say "I do" to affirm something. For example if someone asked "do you really do that?" and I replied "I do". I could translate literally and say "faccio" but I imagine that sounds odd.

[Anonymous No.18160674]

>>18160657
just say yes

[Anonymous No.18160889]

>>18151517
based koreaboo anon
i went from Beginning 1 to Advanced 1 in college. The full curriculum in order to minor in Korean required me to take Advanced 2 but I was a semester off from doing so and there were no summer courses offering korean. i love the language. my gf is korean and so i hope i can pick the language back up. its always nice to read and pick it apart

[Anonymous No.18161020]

I'm going to have 12 weeks of NEETdom this year and so that I don't sit around browsing here all day, I want to challenge myself to learn as much of a language as possible. I want a language easy enough to stay motivated but challenging enough that I don't get bored. Which lang shall I try??

[Anonymous No.18161113]

>>18161020
genuinely: Korean.
it has an alphabet and the grammar structure isnt totally fucked. the history is rich, the culture is neat and the food is phenomenal.

[Anonymous No.18161175]

>>18160657
You should place an affirmation or a negation, I am a native Spanish speaker, as we part of the Romance Language. We respond in this way; it entails other languages of this, on the other hand, Portuguese has a very different way.

Spanish:

No crees que deberíamos de buscar a Juan, él no me había dicho, que demoraría.

Sí es raro, podría haber estado de viaje, una vez me dijo que un primo lo llevaría de vuelta a Colombia. Ellos se llevan muy bien.
Portuguese:

— São Paulo é uma grande cidade não é? Uma boa cidade para negócios e muito próspera.

— Sim, é.

[Anonymous No.18161288]

>>18161020
greek (modern)

[Anonymous No.18161468]

best book for learning sanskrit?

[Anonymous No.18162569]

>>18161468
Twirpx or libgen might have some. Are there any in the OP?

[Anonymous No.18162839]

>>18150547
Ad forum eo.
Mane cafeum bibo.
Possumne indicem escarum habere?

Erisne ad festivum diem Veneris?
Heri nocte ad festivum ivi, et iam me horrible sentio.

That's all I've got tonight. Composing is hard.

[Anonymous No.18163428]

>>18161020
French or Spanish
Language learning is decided ultimately by how much of it you take in, and if you're reading thousands and thousands of words a day early on, even if it's just easy and repetitive stuff, you will very rapidly find yourself learning to read more challenging material.
Learning a "hard" language is just slower since you aren't able to read as much as early.

[Anonymous No.18163456]

>>18163428
so i shouldnt worry about studying too much? ive heard it fucks with retention to have too much input

[Anonymous No.18163477]

>>18163456
"too much input" is just cope from failed languagelets.
basic grammar is largely considered the hardest part of lots of languages. people shy away from romance languages when they are shown the wall of all the verb conjugations for every possible gender/plurality/etc. but, if you read, you come to understand that all these things take a similar "shape" and won't worry in the same way as when you see that table.
There's a time and place for studying, but imo it's better early on to merely become acquainted with the "shape" of things so you can take more of it in, then refine it down the line (this will happen anyway as you read more).
Same applies for irregular verbs or other things. Usually they're so common that a few days worth of reading makes it a non issue. But, depressingly few language teachers will ever tell you this or encourage this sort of study.

[Anonymous No.18164716]

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[Anonymous No.18164984]

>>18160889
>koreaboo
I'm not a Koreaboo but my wife is Korean and we spent half a year living there and regularly (pre-COVID) go over to visit. Sometimes I wish her heritage was Japanese or even Chinese so I would have reason to learn a more useful language.

>>18161113
Korean is cool as a language but before meeting my wife the only Korean media I ever consumed was Korean thrillers and maybe the odd MMO with a translation patch. I find it really hard to get immersed in Korean (which is oh so important for language learning) when outside of Korea because the music*, tv and non-thriller movies are pretty uninteresting to me and I've not managed to find an interesting book that was originally written in Korean and has an English version either. I've only found ones that were written in Korean and have never been translated.

*excluding like one album from Kim Jung Mi/Shin Joong Hyun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_R1jDGzUbpU

[Anonymous No.18165004]

>>18151002
It's ultimately up to you.

[Anonymous No.18165175]

rec me french inpoot.

[Anonymous No.18166176]

>>18165175
Jules Verne is good. So is Maupassant.

[Anonymous No.18166333]

>>18158404
>>18158416
>>18158556
Vielen Dank meine Freunde

[Anonymous No.18166351]

>>18150543
I've been studying japanese seriously since the beginning of the lockdown and I think I've gotten pretty good. I want to take the test in December.

[Anonymous No.18166537]

Best course for Mandarin? I'm Australian and should probably know at least a bit of the language of my future overlords

[Anonymous No.18166603]

>>18165175
for audio (literary channel where frog scholars discuss lit)
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDs1Kc6dXeLZ9AU11RcavPw

for reading
https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Auteur:Voltaire
I recc his contes and lettres, which contain funny literary crit.

[Anonymous No.18166612]

>>18166603
merci

[Anonymous No.18167234]

>>18166351
good luck

[Anonymous No.18167859]

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[Anonymous No.18168264]

Hallo, ich Heiße Nick. Ich komme aus Texas. Ich habe heute Morgen Kaffee getrunken. Er war gut. Ich muss hausaufgaben machen, aber ich zögere immer. Dativ Fall verwirrt mich.

[Anonymous No.18168268]

if I want to learn to read in French, would a productive practice be translating Flaubert into English? I really just love Flaubert.

[Anonymous No.18168367]

il š'est illustré au service
wtf does this mean in english?

[Anonymous No.18168483]

>>18160657
Italian here

>I could translate literally and say "faccio"
Don't.

Now, I'm not sure if you're asking about a real life context or just for a grammar exercise.

If someone asked me
"Davvero lo fai?/Sul serio fai questa cosa?/ Seriamente lo fai così?"
I'd probably answer something like
"Sì, perchè?/Sì, è il metodo con cui mi trovo meglio/ Sì, è così che me l'hanno insegnato" - something along these lines, but it really depends on context.

[Anonymous No.18168497]

>>18168264
>from texas
>cares about german
You must be a nazi

[Anonymous No.18168502]

>>18165175
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DEBJOxX9rY

[Anonymous No.18168514]

I feel like I'm too retarded to learn biblical languages

[Anonymous No.18168518]

>>18168497
Nein, Ich wohne in Colorado. Ich muss Deutsche lerne für Uni. Mir ist nichts wichtig.

[Anonymous No.18168550]

merhaba arkadaşlar

[Anonymous No.18168556]

>>18168367
I honestly had to google that, I didn't know that use for the verb.

That word is cognate with "illustrious", and that reflexive form means "he gave himself <lustre>", which literally means "shinyness", mostly as a figure of speech.

The sentence is probably about someone who served well in some kind of job for a long time.

[Anonymous No.18169033]

How do you balance speaking practice and writing practice?

[Anonymous No.18169068]

>>18150543
are there any italian sites like lawlessfrench but for italian? Duolingo kiked up their shit to the point that you have to wait 4 hours to keep learning after 5 mistakes unless you go premium

[Anonymous No.18169140]

>>18168483
Intermediate speaker here, but I don't think there's anything wrong with "Sì, lo faccio."

[Anonymous No.18169149]

[Anonymous No.18169262]

>>18169068
Just get premium it's like 4 dollars you broke ass

[Anonymous No.18169292]

Im reading lingua latina per se illustrata
>bitch little sister won't stop being an annoying bitch
>chad brother punches her
>asskiss brother sees and punches him
>bitch sister cries to mommy
>chad gets attacked by mom
>dad wakes up from the sound
>beats chad
Wth bros I thought Rome was cool

[Anonymous No.18169368]

>>18169140
>but I don't think there's anything wrong with "Sì, lo faccio."
The other anon wrote
>>18160657
>how would you say "I do" to affirm something. For example if someone asked "do you really do that?" and I replied "I do".

Please notice that when you answer "I do" to a question in English, you're using a verbal form that does not exist in Italian.

That "Sì, lo faccio" could be (kinda) understandable if the question is, as in the example "Do you really do that?" - Davvero lo fai?
It still sounds off, a lot.


But it doesn't work for "Do you see it/Do you like me/Do you know her?", because these interrogative "Do" simply don't exist in Italian (and the "Don't" neither), and if someone asked you

"Lo vedi/ti piaccio/la conosci?" and you answered "Sì, lo faccio", there are two possible outcomes

1)People know that you are an English speaker, they know you're translating literally and they will correct you
2)People don't know English, and will be simply puzzled as to what you actually mean.

[Anonymous No.18169567]

>>18169368
Oh, I see, I didn't even think about those other cases where you can answer "I do" in English. Yes, I agree, in those cases "Lo faccio" is obviously wrong.

[Anonymous No.18169806]

Which languages have the strongest literary traditions?

[Anonymous No.18169932]

Conlanging, y/n?

[Anonymous No.18169950]

>>18169932
Jen jes! Tamen ĝi malantaŭe sidas ĉe mi ĉi-momente.
Yes indeed! However, for me it's taking a back seat for now.

[Anonymous No.18169998]

>>18169806
French and English

[Anonymous No.18170009]

>>18169806
french

[Anonymous No.18170040]

>>18169806
Chinese

[Anonymous No.18170116]

>>18169950
Nice! It's always really interesting to see that almost everywhere I go online has an Esperanto speaker, even though IRL there's not much

[Anonymous No.18170149]

actually learned to do my latin noun declension tables off by heart.
it actually looks possible bros..

[Anonymous No.18170165]

>>18168556
ok thank you so much. This makes total sense in the context, and your last sentence is perfect. It was a bit from a Diderot book, La religieuse. I'm shit with reading French and this stumped me on the first page, but I just continued along.

[Anonymous No.18170169]

>>18170149
conjugate "cornu" NOW
no wikitionary!

[Anonymous No.18170171]

how do i learn russian

[Anonymous No.18170174]

>>18170171
watch anime in russian dub

[Anonymous No.18170192]

>>18170169
cornu cornua cornu cornu cornu
cornua (forgot lol) cornibus cornua cornibus

[Anonymous No.18170200]

>>18170192
cornuum
well done

[Anonymous No.18170340]

>jen
ja*

[Anonymous No.18170676]

>>18150543
So I was recommend Micheal Thomas last time for German, I love how the first disc focus on how to make a sentence. Having trouble figuring out the word order, mostly do to not memorizing what words a verb, subject, noun. Any tips?

I know that a subject must have verb either right before or after it. And the second verb is at the end of the sentence. Verbs almost always end with an (n) or (en). But when to drop them is a jarring. Basically got all the question wrong on ch7 disc 1 so I studied spelling instead for a while.

Also any good German books to look forward to read? Philosophy is interesting, history is fun or a good fiction (if there's such a thing these days.) No degenerate garbage or Mein Kompf/Marx. Trying to ignore clown world so I wont hang my self.